As active as I can ever remember team being. Shocked several things didnt happen day one, and in back of everyones minds is it will lead to the dreaded laying the groundwork for future talks comment on way out. Sandy thought incredibly quiet winter so far would lead to an Uber aggressive first strike or three on day one. Disappointed, didnt happen. Today is key day of winter more than likely, if nothing happens today it simply proves unwilling to cross the value line, and nothing likely for a while
As active as I can ever remember team being. Shocked several things didnt happen day one, and in back of everyones minds is it will lead to the dreaded laying the groundwork for future talks comment on way out. Sandy thought incredibly quiet winter so far would lead to an Uber aggressive first strike or three on day one. Disappointed, didnt happen. Today is key day of winter more than likely, if nothing happens today it simply proves unwilling to cross the value line, and nothing likely for a while
anything you can share Shecky? Hopefully someone more interesting than Ryan Goins.
during the season. SP depth has obviously been an issue, so unless you're getting good value for Harvey, why trade him? Right now there are 8 or 9 decent options within the org. They need to add more, not subtract. Given their budget whatever they add will likely be cheap backend flier types - but that's basically what Harvey is.
the point of bringing in Callaway (and Eiland) to try and make use of the pitching talent they had (and under performed). I'm not "against" trading Harvey if the deal is right but the fact they are apparently flat out shopping him really scares me. The AA/AAA SP depth is simply NOT there on paper. Marcos Molina and Corey Oswalt might not even be big league talents let alone guys who are in MLB rotations. I'm confident Flexen is a big leaguer but I suspect a 6th-7th inning arm.
the point of bringing in Callaway (and Eiland) to try and make use of the pitching talent they had (and under performed). I'm not "against" trading Harvey if the deal is right but the fact they are apparently flat out shopping him really scares me. The AA/AAA SP depth is simply NOT there on paper. Marcos Molina and Corey Oswalt might not even be big league talents let alone guys who are in MLB rotations. I'm confident Flexen is a big leaguer but I suspect a 6th-7th inning arm.
Yup and if the budget really is scaling back from last year, won't they need some heavy longshots to pay off? We know what Harvey's upside is if he can get healthy, even if it's an extreme long shot.
is an especially bad target because he is out of options which means you either have to run him out there every day even if he sucks or having rotting away on the bench without an answer regarding if he's good or not. He has not been especially good in a very long time and had a major, major shoulder issue, one that has ended careers.
Braves are shopping Julio Teheran at Winter Meetings.
I mentioned it yesterday. I think it is a mistake to trade him now. They should wait and hope he rebounds and rebuilds his value then they can trade him for a better package. They must not think he can pitch at SunTrust park as he struggled mightily there but was his usual self on the road. I am looking forward to Luiz Gohara pitch. I am expecting him to break out this year and be their ace. Fried should win the #5 spot but he will be challenged by Soroka and Allard. I really hope Anthopoulos doesn't look to make a splash and trade several of their top pitching prospects for either Archer or Fulmer. Help is on the way as Toussaint and Kyle Wright could be ready for the bigs after the all-star break.
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Interesting. Sherman is usually a good source. He was on the Stanton deal earlier than anyone. Makes sense. Move opens up a 40 man spot or two. Mitchell has good stuff, but he doesn't seem to have enough to really get a good shot with Yanks. And Headley is making 13 million this year in last year of his deal. But with Castro gone and 2B now open, having 3B also open may be a little much for the young guys to fill. Wonder if Frazier would be amenable to a 1-2 year deal to return if Headley is in fact moved. I would much rather have him over Headley. Just didn't think it was realistic...as we would have to move Headley and re-sign Frazier at a deal that was worth it for both him and Yanks.
that we are getting back Jabari Blash. And that it seems like a salary dump. Attaching Mitchell to the deal so someone would take all of Headley's 13 million salary for next year.
And its all minor and kinda obvious.
Got a text from someone yesterday re Harvey rumors about a half hour before it broke. Knew when it was breaking, which is when I listed.
Bottom line with Harvey is yes, they are more open to trading him than I imagined they would be. Reason is to try to get teams excited about the NAME, and see if someone overlays.
Secondly, FO has been in extreme lockdown since year end re letting anything out. Extreme. So most rumors are now coming from outside the usual close sources. Which is why so may public rumors are wrong or way off, or even shot down immediately. And other things - well, those will never be known or heard about unfortunately.
The plan was to strike quick and hard. Make a lot of noise, but quietly, stealthy. Pull up, get the job done, and leave. Didnt happen. Plan B.
And its all minor and kinda obvious.
Got a text from someone yesterday re Harvey rumors about a half hour before it broke. Knew when it was breaking, which is when I listed.
Bottom line with Harvey is yes, they are more open to trading him than I imagined they would be. Reason is to try to get teams excited about the NAME, and see if someone overlays.
Secondly, FO has been in extreme lockdown since year end re letting anything out. Extreme. So most rumors are now coming from outside the usual close sources. Which is why so may public rumors are wrong or way off, or even shot down immediately. And other things - well, those will never be known or heard about unfortunately.
The plan was to strike quick and hard. Make a lot of noise, but quietly, stealthy. Pull up, get the job done, and leave. Didnt happen. Plan B.
LOL, no surprise that Plan A never came into fruition... that doesn't sound like the Mets at all.
My guess is that "Plan B" includes more of the same bargain basement shopping and picking up other teams' leftovers.... the same type of bullshit every Mets fan knows and just LOVES! :)
and Cespedes was basically plan Z. So you never know how these things will work out. The key is they need to be aggressive like they were when they got Cespedes and not fold up the tent just because they miss plan A. There are a lot of players out there who can help them this year. As much as we'd all be amazingly happy to land Yelich, Cain isn't far off and he's available for cash. Lots of good relievers and the ones who have already set the market didn't do so at insane prices.
Plan A was to come in, kick in the doors, grab the 2-3 priority pieces, and move on. That hasnt happened. Not suggesting the swing for the misses and now its strike on so they are tying to bunt. Just meant they stepped up to the plate looking to swing early in the count.
I definitely believe it - just wish they'd have surprised me with something like that. I'd love to see the Mets actually be aggressive and go get their guys.
Feels like they only want to get players on their own subpar terms and then when they don't get them, they settle for leftovers and guys that no one else wants.
I've been a negative Nancy this winter. I'm just super frustrated with this team right now. If all we have to show for these pitchers are 1 good playoff run, I'm going to be pretty miffed.
I definitely believe it - just wish they'd have surprised me with something like that. I'd love to see the Mets actually be aggressive and go get their guys.
Feels like they only want to get players on their own subpar terms and then when they don't get them, they settle for leftovers and guys that no one else wants.
I've been a negative Nancy this winter. I'm just super frustrated with this team right now. If all we have to show for these pitchers are 1 good playoff run, I'm going to be pretty miffed.
Really losing my patience with this org.
Same. A lot of chips on the board right now, many more than I remember many previous offseasons when it was such slim pickings Cuddyer and Granderson coming off missed seasons were relatively sensible options. It feels like now or never with this current group.
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#Marlins pushing Ozuna, but complication is interested teams prefer Yelich: more control/higher upside and don't want to give up pieces for Ozuna when clubs believe -- regardless what Mia says -- that both will be traded this offseason.
Also it makes sense for Miami to trade both of them
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The market for @Marlins Marcell Ozuna is starting to build. I'm hearing 6-8 clubs have some level of interest in the All-Star outfielder. The #Nationals #STLCards and #SFGiants are among teams interested.
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Marlins have a lot of great offensive talents. Too bad for their fans
they now say they will keep Harvey because Callaway and Eiland believe he can be fixed.
If Mickey Callaway and Dave Eiland waited until 12/12 to tell @metsgm that they wanted to keep Harvey and felt he could be "rehabbed" then they should both be sent packing today. Silly narrative. Keep him if the offers weren't good. Don't feed us BS.
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and hope that Callaway can get Harvey and Matz back to their peak. AND hope that Thor and DeGrom stay healthy the whole year. AND hope that Familia recovers from his surgery and doesn't regress. AND hope that Cespedes can stay healthy for once. AND hope that Conforto recovered from his surgery and won't miss a lot of time. AND hope that Smith can look like an MLB player. AND.... well you guys see where I'm going.
Contending in 2018 isn't impossible. Just need a ton of things to "go right"
Source says Red Sox 90-10 in their pursuit of J.D. Martinez vs. other(s). Makes sense: hes the best free agent bat available in terms of production, no qualifying offer.
Dont believe a word you hear this entire offseason. Harvey was floated to get someone to overpay. That is literally the first and only thing that came out of the front office all off season. Coincidence? And today the second thing to come direct is hey, were pulling him from the trade market.
Literally dont believe anything that comes from the FO this offseason. And take anything leaked from other teams/reporters with a grain of salt because it may or may not be fully accurate.
Will ever change but only way it might is if a few players start making comments because this has become such a joke. They absolutely have no intention of putting the best product on the field.
What's so bizarre about the Mets is that Steinbrenner showed
Addison Reed to Phillies. Relievers flying off the board. Mets now interested in Fernando Rodney. He actually did have a great year in 2017 but he's 40!
Reed and Shaw's deals are expected to be identical
did they not expect younger, better, players to get slightly more money and 1 more year? What part of that was an unexpected inferno? Seriously MLBTR and the writers are apparently better at predicting the market than the Mets are.
With more douchebag "jokes" about not worrying about the payroll. I'm convinced part of the problem is they have a GM who moves like it's still 1989. Teams have been successful on limited payroll, it's not an impossible thing, you just need to get creative. But Alderson is about as creative as roadkill.
Addison Reed to Phillies. Relievers flying off the board. Mets now interested in Fernando Rodney. He actually did have a great year in 2017 but he's 40!
by acquiring players or doing creative things on a budget. The way they sit on their hands and do the bare minimum year after year is just miserable. That's the problem more than the gallows humor.
according to most of the metrics on FG. Has some pop, draws walks, hard to strike out. Was one of the handful of top 2B around 6 WAR just 1 season ago, the only big change year to year was BABIP.
He was but 2B has basically become an offensive position
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
this is a rare moment where we are in total agreement ZG, i'd take that lineup, though I'd prefer some others with more positional flexibility to Bruce (like Ozuna).
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
His UZR dropped more than 25% from 8.5 to 6.1. His DRS went from 20, 19, 12, to 6 over the last four years. Im not saying he's a bad defender yet or anything. He's still good. It's ok to say he's declining. He's old. He's the same age as Granderson. He's the same age as Cuddyer was when we got him. At best, he's what a 2 WAR player next year, gives us "ok" offense and we shopping again next year. I just dont think he's a great option. There are many 2B candidates out there.
this is a rare moment where we are in total agreement ZG, i'd take that lineup, though I'd prefer some others with more positional flexibility to Bruce (like Ozuna).
Ive been agreeing with you a lot all offseason actually. :)
The Mets could do worse than that lineup but Im betting
which has been steady the last 3 years ('15 - 6.7, '16 - 7.5, '17 - 7.5). His UZRs for those 3 years are similar also, with last year being the outlier if anything.('15 - 6.3, '16 - 8.5, '17- 6.1).
The reality though is none of those numbers mean much. There's no score that stipulates he will get to a ball or won't. The bottom line is they are similar and he is still 1 of the best defensive 2B in baseball.
The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
I'd be alright with Reed coming back. It's not shiny, and very Mets to lack creativity or any outside the box thinking, but it's an established reliever. It's...something.
The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
and over the last 10 years has been very good except for one season. I consider Reed and Shaw about equal.
The thing for me is, unless you are 1 of about 6 or 7 elite closers in baseball you tend to be a bit up and down or at least have a stinker once in a while. Ramos was actually much better in 2015/2016 then he was in 2017. I consider all these guys roughly the same with maybe McGee being the best of the bunch. Reed, Ramos, Shaw, Smith, ect are all about the same. There's rarely such a thing as an elite setup man (Miller excluded).
The Mets recycle their players. Shaw is significantly better than Reed...not close. If Reed gets 9mil/year then I know Alderson is clueless.
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
It doesnt matter either way. People are citing 150 million last year and that included Wright (it ended up less with some insurance money back) so if you count Wright this year it's the same difference. Also, from what was released years ago it took 2 months before it kicked in and then it was 75% after so it's not as much as you outline. Also, Wright is going to give it another go. I doubt he is ever a starter again, I doubt he is even good, but even if he pinch hits here or there he could screw up the insurance money. You cant count on that IMO.
The Mets recycle their players. Shaw is significantly better than Reed...not close. If Reed gets 9mil/year then I know Alderson is clueless.
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
2017 Shaw 2.96 FIP 1.6 WAR. 2017 Reed 3.67 FIP 1 WAR most likely.
Also Reed's year suffered from Terry Collins trying to kill him on the mound in the first 6 weeks of the season.
Yeah, I like Reed a hair more too. His numbers are skewed a little by two really bad performances in Boston. He was pretty much lights out there aside from those two games too.
I did like Shaw though as a setup guy.
If Shaw got 9 AAV, McGee and Reed might actually get more. Crazy.
and that was at the end of the offseason off the scrap heap. He gave more to Blevins last year. Prices tend to go up year over year. All of these guys are signing for $8-10M. That's what Ramos is going to get in arbitration. That's just the market value. Darren O'Day makes $8M/year and we'd take him in a heartbeat because that's fair market value for solid late inning relievers.
I remember when we already had Darren O'Day... but we subjected him to being claimed by the Rangers just so that we could make room for 35 year old Nelson Figueroua to make a spot start in the place of Pelfrey (or something fucking stupid like that)
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Yanks dodged a bullet. WOW!
Well, at his age it would have been great to sign him, given the cost, even if he needs TJ down the line. Heck, we drafted a bunch of kids in recent years who we knew needed TJ surgery.
anything you can share Shecky? Hopefully someone more interesting than Ryan Goins.
Yup and if the budget really is scaling back from last year, won't they need some heavy longshots to pay off? We know what Harvey's upside is if he can get healthy, even if it's an extreme long shot.
I mentioned it yesterday. I think it is a mistake to trade him now. They should wait and hope he rebounds and rebuilds his value then they can trade him for a better package. They must not think he can pitch at SunTrust park as he struggled mightily there but was his usual self on the road. I am looking forward to Luiz Gohara pitch. I am expecting him to break out this year and be their ace. Fried should win the #5 spot but he will be challenged by Soroka and Allard. I really hope Anthopoulos doesn't look to make a splash and trade several of their top pitching prospects for either Archer or Fulmer. Help is on the way as Toussaint and Kyle Wright could be ready for the bigs after the all-star break.
Which probably in Mets speak means all-star break.
Which probably in Mets speak means all-star break.
Less important but TJ Rivera isn't expected to be ready opening day either.
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Interesting. Sherman is usually a good source. He was on the Stanton deal earlier than anyone. Makes sense. Move opens up a 40 man spot or two. Mitchell has good stuff, but he doesn't seem to have enough to really get a good shot with Yanks. And Headley is making 13 million this year in last year of his deal. But with Castro gone and 2B now open, having 3B also open may be a little much for the young guys to fill. Wonder if Frazier would be amenable to a 1-2 year deal to return if Headley is in fact moved. I would much rather have him over Headley. Just didn't think it was realistic...as we would have to move Headley and re-sign Frazier at a deal that was worth it for both him and Yanks.
As a Mets fan how great would it be to see Fulmer get traded to the Yankees for a bag of balls. lol
Meanwhile in Flushing...
Got a text from someone yesterday re Harvey rumors about a half hour before it broke. Knew when it was breaking, which is when I listed.
Bottom line with Harvey is yes, they are more open to trading him than I imagined they would be. Reason is to try to get teams excited about the NAME, and see if someone overlays.
Secondly, FO has been in extreme lockdown since year end re letting anything out. Extreme. So most rumors are now coming from outside the usual close sources. Which is why so may public rumors are wrong or way off, or even shot down immediately. And other things - well, those will never be known or heard about unfortunately.
The plan was to strike quick and hard. Make a lot of noise, but quietly, stealthy. Pull up, get the job done, and leave. Didnt happen. Plan B.
Got a text from someone yesterday re Harvey rumors about a half hour before it broke. Knew when it was breaking, which is when I listed.
Bottom line with Harvey is yes, they are more open to trading him than I imagined they would be. Reason is to try to get teams excited about the NAME, and see if someone overlays.
Secondly, FO has been in extreme lockdown since year end re letting anything out. Extreme. So most rumors are now coming from outside the usual close sources. Which is why so may public rumors are wrong or way off, or even shot down immediately. And other things - well, those will never be known or heard about unfortunately.
The plan was to strike quick and hard. Make a lot of noise, but quietly, stealthy. Pull up, get the job done, and leave. Didnt happen. Plan B.
LOL, no surprise that Plan A never came into fruition... that doesn't sound like the Mets at all.
My guess is that "Plan B" includes more of the same bargain basement shopping and picking up other teams' leftovers.... the same type of bullshit every Mets fan knows and just LOVES! :)
As a Mets fan how great would it be to see Fulmer get traded to the Yankees for a bag of balls. lol
Meanwhile in Flushing...
Yup. Tigers are rebuilding. Mets will overpay for Kinsler and the Yankees will get Fulmer for B-listers lol
Feels like they only want to get players on their own subpar terms and then when they don't get them, they settle for leftovers and guys that no one else wants.
I've been a negative Nancy this winter. I'm just super frustrated with this team right now. If all we have to show for these pitchers are 1 good playoff run, I'm going to be pretty miffed.
Really losing my patience with this org.
Feels like they only want to get players on their own subpar terms and then when they don't get them, they settle for leftovers and guys that no one else wants.
I've been a negative Nancy this winter. I'm just super frustrated with this team right now. If all we have to show for these pitchers are 1 good playoff run, I'm going to be pretty miffed.
Really losing my patience with this org.
Same. A lot of chips on the board right now, many more than I remember many previous offseasons when it was such slim pickings Cuddyer and Granderson coming off missed seasons were relatively sensible options. It feels like now or never with this current group.
Which probably in Mets speak means all-star break.
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Yelich + Prado (as a $ dump). Make it happen Sandy.
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One of my favorite non Met players
One of my favorite non Met players
I like him too. I'd say the chances are almost none.
One of my favorite non Met players
Yeah, excellent player - the Mets will never do it, though. It would be too much of a "big" move for them.
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One of my favorite non Met players
Yeah, excellent player - the Mets will never do it, though. It would be too much of a "big" move for them.
Agreed - it's a pipe dream but hey, that's what winter's for until we get our usual lump of used coal
I'm not suggesting Shecky is misinformed. I'm saying that the only thing that exceeds this organization's ineptitude is it's arrogance.
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Meanwhile... we're interested in Ryan Goins!
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Marlins have a lot of great offensive talents. Too bad for their fans
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One of my favorite non Met players
Yeah, excellent player - the Mets will never do it, though. It would be too much of a "big" move for them.
The org is content with being average. I feel bad for Syndergaard and Degrom.
gimme Adam Lind instead
Fucking laughable.
If Mickey Callaway and Dave Eiland waited until 12/12 to tell @metsgm that they wanted to keep Harvey and felt he could be "rehabbed" then they should both be sent packing today. Silly narrative. Keep him if the offers weren't good. Don't feed us BS.
After acknowledging a few days ago the farm is weak. So the talent will be coming from....
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Contending in 2018 isn't impossible. Just need a ton of things to "go right"
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So much for not trading him to NY lol
Literally dont believe anything that comes from the FO this offseason. And take anything leaked from other teams/reporters with a grain of salt because it may or may not be fully accurate.
We are locked, stocked, and loaded!
He was asked about Stanton and his response:
even joking, that's an awful answer for a variety of reasons, least of all is how the F should Nimmo feel about being the butt of the GM's jokes.
2.) second baseman either by trade or F/A
3.) Setup type reliever.
That's actually pretty close to what I want along with a Dickey type.
Wont be a thrilling offseason but it will certainly plug some holes.
Mets FO is a dumpster fire
He was asked about Stanton and his response:
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With Brandon Nimmo in right field? We just didnt feel we had a need there, Alderson said in his tongue-in-cheek way, then quickly praised Nimmo.
even joking, that's an awful answer for a variety of reasons, least of all is how the F should Nimmo feel about being the butt of the GM's jokes.
Yeah, this bothers me.
It's a slap in the face to the fans, and it's even shittier for Nimmo.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
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I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Fuck Alderson, fuck Terry, fuck the Wilpons, fuck the Mets.
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around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
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around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
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TDA/Plaw
Its certainly not thrilling. (Even scarier without those additions)
Would love to see a play for Cozart (who seemingly has no interest) and maybe Ozuna. Now that would get me excited for the lineup.
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around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
His UZR dropped more than 25% from 8.5 to 6.1. His DRS went from 20, 19, 12, to 6 over the last four years. Im not saying he's a bad defender yet or anything. He's still good. It's ok to say he's declining. He's old. He's the same age as Granderson. He's the same age as Cuddyer was when we got him. At best, he's what a 2 WAR player next year, gives us "ok" offense and we shopping again next year. I just dont think he's a great option. There are many 2B candidates out there.
Ive been agreeing with you a lot all offseason actually. :)
It certainly feels that way but Im going to hold off until I see the final product before I go nuts.
The reality though is none of those numbers mean much. There's no score that stipulates he will get to a ball or won't. The bottom line is they are similar and he is still 1 of the best defensive 2B in baseball.
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Well, the Mets are still in on Addison Reed, so theres that.
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
Youre assuming they want to spend some of the money theyve saved.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
The thing for me is, unless you are 1 of about 6 or 7 elite closers in baseball you tend to be a bit up and down or at least have a stinker once in a while. Ramos was actually much better in 2015/2016 then he was in 2017. I consider all these guys roughly the same with maybe McGee being the best of the bunch. Reed, Ramos, Shaw, Smith, ect are all about the same. There's rarely such a thing as an elite setup man (Miller excluded).
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
It doesnt matter either way. People are citing 150 million last year and that included Wright (it ended up less with some insurance money back) so if you count Wright this year it's the same difference. Also, from what was released years ago it took 2 months before it kicked in and then it was 75% after so it's not as much as you outline. Also, Wright is going to give it another go. I doubt he is ever a starter again, I doubt he is even good, but even if he pinch hits here or there he could screw up the insurance money. You cant count on that IMO.
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The Mets recycle their players. Shaw is significantly better than Reed...not close. If Reed gets 9mil/year then I know Alderson is clueless.
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
2017 Shaw 2.96 FIP 1.6 WAR. 2017 Reed 3.67 FIP 1 WAR most likely.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
Youre assuming they want to spend some of the money theyve saved.
They dont, Ive been saying that all offseason. This is bullshit
Yeah, I like Reed a hair more too. His numbers are skewed a little by two really bad performances in Boston. He was pretty much lights out there aside from those two games too.
I did like Shaw though as a setup guy.
If Shaw got 9 AAV, McGee and Reed might actually get more. Crazy.
The Mets are a franchise trying to turn a profit and save money.
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News: Los Angeles Angels star Shohei Ohtani has a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow, according to a physical obtained by Yahoo Sports. Details:
Yanks dodged a bullet. WOW!
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News: Los Angeles Angels star Shohei Ohtani has a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow, according to a physical obtained by Yahoo Sports. Details:
Yanks dodged a bullet. WOW!
Well, at his age it would have been great to sign him, given the cost, even if he needs TJ down the line. Heck, we drafted a bunch of kids in recent years who we knew needed TJ surgery.
The Angels im sure knew about this, too
Fuck Alderson, fuck Terry, fuck the Wilpons, fuck the Mets.
100% agree and feel the same.