1) I do not see Eli being a mentor for a #1 QB draft pick. I just don't see it. If Eli is here and going to be here for 2018 then the Giants will be drafting an Olinemen, RB or DL?LB with that first rd pick.
2) If we do draft a QB at #2 (or wherever in top 5 we pick) then we need to get a Veteran QB to be the mentor (could Josh McCown be an option?). The high pick battles the Vet for teh starting job not battles Webb for the backup.. Webb will be a #3 if he is on the team at all next year (assuming we draft a 1st RD QB).
The Giants have done just about everything wrong this season personnel wise and it is reflected in the record and the the team discord.
season. He has had virtually no one to throw to since Game 5 and an offensive line that would have difficulty blocking you and me. The running game is a little better but there is no danger there...no threat of someone taking it the distance.
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
I didnt want it to be, and don't necessarily think it has to be, but I think all involved parties will agree it's mutually beneficial to part ways either before or after a top draft pick is spent on a QB.
I think Eli does want to remain a Giant, but more than that, he wants to remain a starting QB. If he opened 2018 as our starter, he would be nothing more than a placeholder which is not what he wants.
I would suggest to all Eli fans, enjoy these last few games (I went on Sunday just to see his first game back).
There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
this team actually has talent on it in a lot of areas, when healthy.
And some will think I'm crazy, but I don't think this O-line is as far away as many think. There are some good signs. Need a couple pieces, but with those correct acquisitions, I think the O-line could be at least average.
season. He has had virtually no one to throw to since Game 5 and an offensive line that would have difficulty blocking you and me. The running game is a little better but there is no danger there...no threat of someone taking it the distance.
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
this team actually has talent on it in a lot of areas, when healthy.
And some will think I'm crazy, but I don't think this O-line is as far away as many think. There are some good signs. Need a couple pieces, but with those correct acquisitions, I think the O-line could be at least average.
I'm with you, that's why it was so baffling that Reese stood pat the past two years.
I wouldn't put the fork in Flowers, Richberg, and Pugh yet... Put a couple of reliable vets in between them to help them out, and it could make a big difference.
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to build the team around him, get him the necessary pieces to succeed so that he can have another 4 years?
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
Haha, this again?
2014: 6th in yards, 6th in TD's
2015: 6th in yards, 3rd in TD's.
What categories do those two years fall into? Middle of the pack, or bottom of the barrel?
RE: I continue to side with Sy in saying Eli deserves a pass on this Â
season. He has had virtually no one to throw to since Game 5 and an offensive line that would have difficulty blocking you and me. The running game is a little better but there is no danger there...no threat of someone taking it the distance.
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
to build the team around him, get him the necessary pieces to succeed so that he can have another 4 years?
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
The Giants aren't going to have any success if they don't get a better offensive line, running game, and receiving corps. The offensive talent is terrible, no matter who is under center.
I can see an argument that it's time to move on from Eli as a cost-saving measure or to make room for a talented rookie, but the Giants need to fix their offense regardless. There isn't a quarterback in the league who will put up decent numbers with the offensive line the way it is.
to build the team around him, get him the necessary pieces to succeed so that he can have another 4 years?
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
The Giants aren't going to have any success if they don't get a better offensive line, running game, and receiving corps. The offensive talent is terrible, no matter who is under center.
I can see an argument that it's time to move on from Eli as a cost-saving measure or to make room for a talented rookie, but the Giants need to fix their offense regardless. There isn't a quarterback in the league who will put up decent numbers with the offensive line the way it is.
There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
If you look at the other QB who had 35 TD and 4400 yards that season you would know that its middle of the pack..
to build the team around him, get him the necessary pieces to succeed so that he can have another 4 years?
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
You should build around the franchise QB regardless of who that QB is. That’s what happens in competent organizations. Hasn’t happened here.
People think some shiny young mobile QB is going to magically make the problems go away. It won’t. The Giants are going to have to address the OL and running game if Eli is the QB or someone else.
There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
If you look at the other QB who had 35 TD and 4400 yards that season you would know that its middle of the pack..
Um...he had more yards than everybody other than Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, and Matt Ryan. Only Palmer and Brady had more touchdowns.
I guess you're trying to get at the fact that Blake Bortles had 35 TDs that year as well, but Bortles playing way above his career average doesn't diminish Eli's accomplishments.
I’d love it to happen, but I think Eli would want to go to a situation which is ready to win with a 2-3 year window. I don’t think he wants to deal with the scrutiny of having someone looking over his shoulder. I don’t blame him either. Warner was in a different situation in 2004.
It's just that simple. We hung on to people and tried to patch things up since 2011 and it hasn't worked. We need a complete overhaul. The identity of this team is lacking and it starts with who the perceived leader is. At this point Eli is a sympathetic figure, the older QB who works his tail off and does and says the right things but he's not inspiring any big turnaround especially as his arm wanes and his trigger gets itchier in the pocket.
You ask him for a list of teams he would accept a trade to, if he says no, you cut him and let him know what's going on and make it public and seem amicable and mutual. We have to start over, period.
There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
this is idiotic. eli had a bad 2013. after this, he had very good 2014 and 2015, and a good 2016, capped with sharp play in a road playoff game. this year he is throwing to king, lewis jr. and poe, behind an OL flanked by flowers and hart. and he still hasn't been "bottom of the barrel" though obviously his TDs are down given the situation he is in. yea, eli has not been a top 5 QB over the last 5 years, but he has easily been top 16. come on now.
season. He has had virtually no one to throw to since Game 5 and an offensive line that would have difficulty blocking you and me. The running game is a little better but there is no danger there...no threat of someone taking it the distance.
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
Does he get a pass for last year when the offense sucked to and the first 5 games this year where the offense sucked when the squad was healthy?
is both smart and fair. If things spiral out of control in 2018, then you can put the shiny new toy in halfway through like they did with Eli in 2004.
I don’t see Eli accepting that arrangement. He’s probably going to want assurances that he’s the guy, especially after what transpired this year. Doesn’t make sense for him to waste a year at the end of his career in a QB controversy on a team requiring a complete overhaul on the OL.
We are 2-11 and with the exception of last year's lucky run we won 6, 6 and 7 games the previous 3 seasons with this bunch. I think you're setting this reboot back one more season by keeping Eli around. You keep him here for one reason, to win it all and that's NOT happening next year unless 31 other teams fall into the ocean.
Eli honestly deserves better after what this hamfisted bunch did to him to stop that unbelievable streak. He should have a Peyton year or two somewhere with a rock solid defense and running game and he gives them a puncher's chance to win it all. That's not happening here, not next year anyway we have too many holes and too many attitude issues to contend with to smooth this all out in one year.
We are 2-11 and with the exception of last year's lucky run we won 6, 6 and 7 games the previous 3 seasons with this bunch. I think you're setting this reboot back one more season by keeping Eli around. You keep him here for one reason, to win it all and that's NOT happening next year unless 31 other teams fall into the ocean.
Eli honestly deserves better after what this hamfisted bunch did to him to stop that unbelievable streak. He should have a Peyton year or two somewhere with a rock solid defense and running game and he gives them a puncher's chance to win it all. That's not happening here, not next year anyway we have too many holes and too many attitude issues to contend with to smooth this all out in one year.
Pretty much this. Giants have too many holes. You take a QB first round this year, and look to complete the offensive line with other draft picks/free agency. It's not about one year, it's about 2-3 years from now.
It's just that simple. We hung on to people and tried to patch things up since 2011 and it hasn't worked. We need a complete overhaul. The identity of this team is lacking and it starts with who the perceived leader is. At this point Eli is a sympathetic figure, the older QB who works his tail off and does and says the right things but he's not inspiring any big turnaround especially as his arm wanes and his trigger gets itchier in the pocket.
You ask him for a list of teams he would accept a trade to, if he says no, you cut him and let him know what's going on and make it public and seem amicable and mutual. We have to start over, period.
This. We have to turn the page, unfortunately Eli is part of that.
One thing being overlooked by people, why is it assumed that Eli even wants be a stand-in or caddy on a lottery team next year?
There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
If you look at the other QB who had 35 TD and 4400 yards that season you would know that its middle of the pack..
Um...he had more yards than everybody other than Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, and Matt Ryan. Only Palmer and Brady had more touchdowns.
I guess you're trying to get at the fact that Blake Bortles had 35 TDs that year as well, but Bortles playing way above his career average doesn't diminish Eli's accomplishments.
Bulk stats don't mean much without looking at efficiency..He was 14th in Passer Rating.. you can excuse Eli's career passer rating with Gilbride because that was a high risk reward system that doesn't favor efficiency stats.. but in 2015 we were running the west coast version.. in which if the QB actually is playing at an elite level he would have much better efficiency numbers.. Looking at how he played in 2015.. I won't say he was top 2-3 QB.. he was more top 10-15 QB.. which is middle of the road.. Plus he was below par last year, this year and 2013..
I am sorry but when Geno replaced him, we didn't see a huge difference in offensive production.. and by definition if you don't see a huge difference between a QB and Geno then that said QB isn't Elite.. and probably isn't playing at a franchise QB level..
is that he's always been inconsistent, even erratic. He'll throw 3 stupid INTs or 3 awful screen passes and then he'll throw strikes that any quarterback would envy. So now, when we see more high/low, ahead/behind, hard/soft passes, we don't know whether to interpret it as aging or Eli Being Eli, who still has Green-Bay playoff Eli in him.
And we can't tell if he's slowing down because he was always 40-year-old slow.
trade up or draft him. Simple as that. Giants better not over think this.
If they do take the QB there's no law that says the Giants have to release Eli or even trade him. Do what's best for this franchise in the short and long term.
Giants are gonna fuck this whole thing up. I can't help but think that way because it just seems like any time Mara is expected to chew gum and walk at the same time and some emotion is added to the equation he fucks things up to high heaven.
2) If we do draft a QB at #2 (or wherever in top 5 we pick) then we need to get a Veteran QB to be the mentor (could Josh McCown be an option?). The high pick battles the Vet for teh starting job not battles Webb for the backup.. Webb will be a #3 if he is on the team at all next year (assuming we draft a 1st RD QB).
The Giants have done just about everything wrong this season personnel wise and it is reflected in the record and the the team discord.
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
I think Eli does want to remain a Giant, but more than that, he wants to remain a starting QB. If he opened 2018 as our starter, he would be nothing more than a placeholder which is not what he wants.
I would suggest to all Eli fans, enjoy these last few games (I went on Sunday just to see his first game back).
For better or worse this is it.
And some will think I'm crazy, but I don't think this O-line is as far away as many think. There are some good signs. Need a couple pieces, but with those correct acquisitions, I think the O-line could be at least average.
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
I'm squarely, openly in this camp.
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this team actually has talent on it in a lot of areas, when healthy.
And some will think I'm crazy, but I don't think this O-line is as far away as many think. There are some good signs. Need a couple pieces, but with those correct acquisitions, I think the O-line could be at least average.
I'm with you, that's why it was so baffling that Reese stood pat the past two years.
I wouldn't put the fork in Flowers, Richberg, and Pugh yet... Put a couple of reliable vets in between them to help them out, and it could make a big difference.
I'm squarely, openly in this camp.
Me, too.
If they're only an offensive line and a pass rush away from making a run, then they're on the same level as 29 other teams.
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
and a lot of character issues
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There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
Haha, this again?
2014: 6th in yards, 6th in TD's
2015: 6th in yards, 3rd in TD's.
What categories do those two years fall into? Middle of the pack, or bottom of the barrel?
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
100% agree.
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this team actually has talent on it in a lot of areas, when healthy.
and a lot of character issues
The right coach can reign that in.
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
The Giants aren't going to have any success if they don't get a better offensive line, running game, and receiving corps. The offensive talent is terrible, no matter who is under center.
I can see an argument that it's time to move on from Eli as a cost-saving measure or to make room for a talented rookie, but the Giants need to fix their offense regardless. There isn't a quarterback in the league who will put up decent numbers with the offensive line the way it is.
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to build the team around him, get him the necessary pieces to succeed so that he can have another 4 years?
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
The Giants aren't going to have any success if they don't get a better offensive line, running game, and receiving corps. The offensive talent is terrible, no matter who is under center.
I can see an argument that it's time to move on from Eli as a cost-saving measure or to make room for a talented rookie, but the Giants need to fix their offense regardless. There isn't a quarterback in the league who will put up decent numbers with the offensive line the way it is.
And that's it, in a nutshell right there.
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There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
If you look at the other QB who had 35 TD and 4400 yards that season you would know that its middle of the pack..
No.
Eli can still win in the NFL. If the stars and moon align, he has a stalwart offensive line, a decent running game and large/acrobatic receivers. That's asking a lot for the salary he makes. If the team decides to make a run with Eli, get him the help he needs, we're playing for the past, not for the future. You are, in essence, gambling away future success. It's just not worth it.
I hope Eli has success with Jax or wherever he goes next. I hope he makes it to another Superbowl. But his time here is over.
You should build around the franchise QB regardless of who that QB is. That’s what happens in competent organizations. Hasn’t happened here.
People think some shiny young mobile QB is going to magically make the problems go away. It won’t. The Giants are going to have to address the OL and running game if Eli is the QB or someone else.
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There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
If you look at the other QB who had 35 TD and 4400 yards that season you would know that its middle of the pack..
Um...he had more yards than everybody other than Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, and Matt Ryan. Only Palmer and Brady had more touchdowns.
I guess you're trying to get at the fact that Blake Bortles had 35 TDs that year as well, but Bortles playing way above his career average doesn't diminish Eli's accomplishments.
You ask him for a list of teams he would accept a trade to, if he says no, you cut him and let him know what's going on and make it public and seem amicable and mutual. We have to start over, period.
And I will say you are wrong.
2 nice superbowls though so thx.
concentrate on giving him a decent line and try and find another rb to add to the mix.
u have a lot of offensive weapons - you bring in a rookie qb, you're talking a year or two to get him ready. keep eli for those few years.
this is idiotic. eli had a bad 2013. after this, he had very good 2014 and 2015, and a good 2016, capped with sharp play in a road playoff game. this year he is throwing to king, lewis jr. and poe, behind an OL flanked by flowers and hart. and he still hasn't been "bottom of the barrel" though obviously his TDs are down given the situation he is in. yea, eli has not been a top 5 QB over the last 5 years, but he has easily been top 16. come on now.
it's not like they have to sit on his lap while he tells them Super Bowl stories.
He will want to start to compete for a Super Bowl without having to look over his shoulder.
Eli has always been a quarterback who needed other parts around him, as all quarterbacks do. To me, if the Giants have Gettleman, at 66, as the leading GM candidate then that has to say something as to their intentions. Because, let's face it, Gettleman is not the long term answer.
I firmly believe the Giants have another run in them if they do the work necessary to improve the offensive line. Which is why I firmly believe our draft should focus on the Oline, not QB.
Does he get a pass for last year when the offense sucked to and the first 5 games this year where the offense sucked when the squad was healthy?
I don’t see Eli accepting that arrangement. He’s probably going to want assurances that he’s the guy, especially after what transpired this year. Doesn’t make sense for him to waste a year at the end of his career in a QB controversy on a team requiring a complete overhaul on the OL.
Eli honestly deserves better after what this hamfisted bunch did to him to stop that unbelievable streak. He should have a Peyton year or two somewhere with a rock solid defense and running game and he gives them a puncher's chance to win it all. That's not happening here, not next year anyway we have too many holes and too many attitude issues to contend with to smooth this all out in one year.
Eli honestly deserves better after what this hamfisted bunch did to him to stop that unbelievable streak. He should have a Peyton year or two somewhere with a rock solid defense and running game and he gives them a puncher's chance to win it all. That's not happening here, not next year anyway we have too many holes and too many attitude issues to contend with to smooth this all out in one year.
Pretty much this. Giants have too many holes. You take a QB first round this year, and look to complete the offensive line with other draft picks/free agency. It's not about one year, it's about 2-3 years from now.
You can possibly fix OLine by adding one or two players and moving the pieces around. That's a surer bet than betting the farm on a rookie qb, IMO.
You ask him for a list of teams he would accept a trade to, if he says no, you cut him and let him know what's going on and make it public and seem amicable and mutual. We have to start over, period.
This. We have to turn the page, unfortunately Eli is part of that.
One thing being overlooked by people, why is it assumed that Eli even wants be a stand-in or caddy on a lottery team next year?
I think the easiest, quickest, smartest fix is keep Eli address O-Line.
This discussion may very well be pointless. With all the uproar over benching Eli - what's the likelihood of management moving on from him?
Eli has all the leverage to put himself in a position to play for a team in a better situation if he chooses to.
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There has been 5 years of nothing more than middle of the pack QB play and some bottom of the barrel play. If it was just one year it would be different.
So when he threw for 4,400 yards and 35 TDs two seasons ago, that was middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel?
Eli's apparent decline coincided with McAdoo installing a terrible offensive system. I think there's a very good chance that a better coach and a middling offensive line has him putting up good numbers once again.
If you look at the other QB who had 35 TD and 4400 yards that season you would know that its middle of the pack..
Um...he had more yards than everybody other than Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, and Matt Ryan. Only Palmer and Brady had more touchdowns.
I guess you're trying to get at the fact that Blake Bortles had 35 TDs that year as well, but Bortles playing way above his career average doesn't diminish Eli's accomplishments.
Bulk stats don't mean much without looking at efficiency..He was 14th in Passer Rating.. you can excuse Eli's career passer rating with Gilbride because that was a high risk reward system that doesn't favor efficiency stats.. but in 2015 we were running the west coast version.. in which if the QB actually is playing at an elite level he would have much better efficiency numbers.. Looking at how he played in 2015.. I won't say he was top 2-3 QB.. he was more top 10-15 QB.. which is middle of the road.. Plus he was below par last year, this year and 2013..
I am sorry but when Geno replaced him, we didn't see a huge difference in offensive production.. and by definition if you don't see a huge difference between a QB and Geno then that said QB isn't Elite.. and probably isn't playing at a franchise QB level..
And we can't tell if he's slowing down because he was always 40-year-old slow.
You can possibly fix OLine by adding one or two players and moving the pieces around. That's a surer bet than betting the farm on a rookie qb, IMO.
Completely agree...team can easily contend again next year.
But the OL needs to be addressed, you have to control the LOS to be competitive in games.
A new GM should recognize that, or we've made the wrong hire.
If they do take the QB there's no law that says the Giants have to release Eli or even trade him. Do what's best for this franchise in the short and long term.
Giants are gonna fuck this whole thing up. I can't help but think that way because it just seems like any time Mara is expected to chew gum and walk at the same time and some emotion is added to the equation he fucks things up to high heaven.