The Tigers are most interested in listening to teams willing to offer up the jewels in their farm system.
"We do know there are some teams with a more desirable farm system that could make it happen if they were really aggressive. There are a few teams out there, if they really wanted to be aggressive, have the players to do it," Avila said.
By the sound of it, he's looking for a top ten prospect and then some.
I wish it were a better source than Nightengale, though.
but I'm not really interested in trading Clint. I'd prefer to move guys further away from the bigs. Fulmer would cost and arm and a leg. I'm not really interested in Corbin, but I imagine his price is lower than the Clint/Florial/Adams level prospects. Robbie Ray? Sure, but they're not trading him.
I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
the damn Ellsbury contract is what's forcing their hand.
I'd rather keep the guys further down in the system. They will be needed in 2-3 years when Ellsbury is mercifully gone. Gardner will be gone too by then, Stanton can opt out in 3 years (2020).
I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
Headley and Bryan Mithcell to SD? Did I hear that right?
I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
Headley and Bryan Mithcell to SD? Did I hear that right?
yeah, the Yankees got a nobody back. It was a straight salary dump.
I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
Headley and Bryan Mithcell to SD? Did I hear that right?
yeah, the Yankees got a nobody back. It was a straight salary dump.
Wonder if it's the preclude to a big move for a SP
but I'm not really interested in trading Clint. I'd prefer to move guys further away from the bigs. Fulmer would cost and arm and a leg. I'm not really interested in Corbin, but I imagine his price is lower than the Clint/Florial/Adams level prospects. Robbie Ray? Sure, but they're not trading him.
]+1. Clint may be a star. There should be room for. Jacoby should be gone (although he may play hardball with his no-trade clause), Gardner is in the last year of his contract, and at his who knows how much gas is left in the tank. Hicks is average at best (his entire career he's had a half of season where he looked like a stud). I just see a huge upside for Clint; and hitting in the current lineup should take a lot of pressure off a young riser.
The Yankees are flush with righty corner OFs. Hicks, Gardy and Ellsbury can all play CF. Don't see where Frazier fits. The Yanks will have lefty Jake Cave in AAA should they need another CF and lefty Billy McKinney should they need another corner OF. Estevan Florial is most likely the CF of the future and he is a year or two away. The Yankees could easily package Frazier, a young arm and a young infielder to go get a desirable young player that can help right now.
I suspect that Frazier could play a credible CF in the way that
Judge and Stanton will DH many many days. Only time they won't DH is to DH El Gary 1-2 days a week and Bird 1-2 days every 2 weeks.
That leaves many days with LF open
Hicks/Gardy split CF and play some LF , that allows Frazier ABs in LF. Plus Gardy is off the books after next year, and Hicks doesn't seem durable. So Florial to CF in two years is almost a lock if he keeps climbing.
That's if Cashman wants to keep 5 OFers.
If Frazier is traded for Fulmer I'm allin with that though.
Clint Frazier is not an MLB centerfielder, so Gardner and Hicks are not the guys blocking him. Stanton and Judge are.
Once Gardner is gone you could absolutely rotate Judge, Stanton and Frazier between RF/LF/DH. Frazier simply takes Gardner's spot. Not totally ideal but it could definitely work.
Clint Frazier is not an MLB centerfielder, so Gardner and Hicks are not the guys blocking him. Stanton and Judge are.
IMO, Stanton should be the DH most of the time, especially considering his mileage and contract. He didn't object to it yesterday, although he said they hadn't really discussed it.
Clint Frazier is not an MLB centerfielder, so Gardner and Hicks are not the guys blocking him. Stanton and Judge are.
+1 Hicks is more valuable than is being pushed here. Mentioning him having a good half season as if that was at some arbitrary point in time: it was last year in the first half. He was posting 300/400 with decent power. It's not unlikely that he'll near that again this year. He barely got his feet under himself by the time the playoffs started, coming off of injury.
If the Yanks are talking to the DBacks about Corbin
Good idea by the way for a solid #5 SP who could also easily shift to the pen as a solid lefty if one of the young guys beats him out- they should also ask about Robbie Ray. They should also ask about the power lefties the DBacks have in the pen- especially Jared Miller.
If you are going to go big- go REAL big.
I would suggest a package of Grey, Frazier, Abreu, Betances, and a couple minor leaguers for Ray, Corbin and Jared Miller.
The DBacks plan to be competitive in 2018- so Grey gives them at least a #2/#3 SP type, while also getting a closer type in Betances (their closer is a FA now). Due to arbitration cases, the DBacks are tight against their budget cap. This trade saves them at least $4-6M, while giving them a closer, potential starting OF with power, a mid-rotation SP and some nice prospects.
It might not be enough, but it might start a good conversation for both teams.
Let's swing something with them and eat half the money. Ells is from Oregon so he'd be close to his old home and the opportunity to play every day might entice him to accept the trade.
Let's swing something with them and eat half the money. Ells is from Oregon so he'd be close to his old home and the opportunity to play every day might entice him to accept the trade.
One that makes even more sense- to both clubs- is to trade Ellsbury to the Dodgers. The trade would essentially be to send Ellsbury and probably two decent prospects or 40 man guys (just to put some sample names out there, let's say Gallegos and Heller) to the Dodgers for Adrian Gonzales.
It makes sense for the Dodgers because they have a VERY unsettled CF situation- Joc Peterson has been underwhelming to say the least- and they have a leadoff hitter problem. Ellsbury takes care of both.
Further, AGon's luxury tax figure is $22M in 2018- the last year of his contract. The Dodgers will have more than $100M coming off the payroll after 2018- and even adding Ellsbury's $21.857M (an almost exact match for luxury tax purposes) in 2019, they will still be below the luxury tax line. The Dodgers also get 2 minimum salary guys to help the 2019 team stay under the luxury tax line.
For the Yanks, they move 3 years of Ellsbury for one year of AGon- and the salary in 2018 is essentially a wash. The Yanks can either keep AGon as a backup 1B and lefty bat- or they can release or trade him. The cost would be a sunk one for 2018- but free up BIG money in 2019 and 2020.
Let's swing something with them and eat half the money. Ells is from Oregon so he'd be close to his old home and the opportunity to play every day might entice him to accept the trade.
One that makes even more sense- to both clubs- is to trade Ellsbury to the Dodgers. The trade would essentially be to send Ellsbury and probably two decent prospects or 40 man guys (just to put some sample names out there, let's say Gallegos and Heller) to the Dodgers for Adrian Gonzales.
It makes sense for the Dodgers because they have a VERY unsettled CF situation- Joc Peterson has been underwhelming to say the least- and they have a leadoff hitter problem. Ellsbury takes care of both.
Further, AGon's luxury tax figure is $22M in 2018- the last year of his contract. The Dodgers will have more than $100M coming off the payroll after 2018- and even adding Ellsbury's $21.857M (an almost exact match for luxury tax purposes) in 2019, they will still be below the luxury tax line. The Dodgers also get 2 minimum salary guys to help the 2019 team stay under the luxury tax line.
For the Yanks, they move 3 years of Ellsbury for one year of AGon- and the salary in 2018 is essentially a wash. The Yanks can either keep AGon as a backup 1B and lefty bat- or they can release or trade him. The cost would be a sunk one for 2018- but free up BIG money in 2019 and 2020.
I like you're ideas
I'm not trading all of that to get Robby Ray for one great year
We want Bird to have all the 1B ABs, and need DH ABs for everyone else.
Like I said, the Yanks have to accept the contract as a sunk cost- it is a matter of minimizing damage.
I did say they would have to make a choice- keep him, trade him or release him. The most likely outcome would be a release- as he physically might not be able to play anymore.
RE: I'm not trading all of that to get Robby Ray for one great year
pitching in the NL West, and Corbin defines mediocrity.
Ray has always been rather highly thought of- lefty who can rack up the K's. The problem has always been command and control. He finally began to miss bats (significant reduction in hits) last season- though he still needs to command the strike zone better, as demonstrated by his 71 walks in 162 IP.
He can get better yet- his BABIP was .270 last season. In past years, it was .355, .318 and .355- which are all excessively high. In other words, he should begin pitching to a lower BABIP going forward- assuming he continues to learn to command the zone.
He is also just 26 years old- and won't turn 27 until October.
In a strange twist of fate- he was one of 2 P sent to the DBacks from the Tigers in the Didi trade.
How about Frazier, Betances, Wade and one of our kid pithcers
Good idea by the way for a solid #5 SP who could also easily shift to the pen as a solid lefty if one of the young guys beats him out- they should also ask about Robbie Ray. They should also ask about the power lefties the DBacks have in the pen- especially Jared Miller.
If you are going to go big- go REAL big.
I would suggest a package of Grey, Frazier, Abreu, Betances, and a couple minor leaguers for Ray, Corbin and Jared Miller.
The DBacks plan to be competitive in 2018- so Grey gives them at least a #2/#3 SP type, while also getting a closer type in Betances (their closer is a FA now). Due to arbitration cases, the DBacks are tight against their budget cap. This trade saves them at least $4-6M, while giving them a closer, potential starting OF with power, a mid-rotation SP and some nice prospects.
It might not be enough, but it might start a good conversation for both teams.
Not seeing the appeal of Corbin.
Arbitration eligible and they're in full rebuild. Probably better off getting multiple players that are near ML ready
Not seeing the appeal of Corbin.
Yea by the time there is a spot for Clint everyday Florial will be ready.
"We do know there are some teams with a more desirable farm system that could make it happen if they were really aggressive. There are a few teams out there, if they really wanted to be aggressive, have the players to do it," Avila said.
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
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I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
Headley and Bryan Mithcell to SD? Did I hear that right?
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I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
Headley and Bryan Mithcell to SD? Did I hear that right?
yeah, the Yankees got a nobody back. It was a straight salary dump.
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I think he can play third base. Try him there. Hey that's how Graig Nettles started out with Minnesota. He's got razor/ sharp reflexes . Adams I saw twice last season . He showed nothing but it was rainy one night. Maybe he doesn't like pitching wet balls . These proposed deals do not inspire . Do not trade Frazier .
Well they just traded Headley so maybe you're onto something...
Headley and Bryan Mithcell to SD? Did I hear that right?
yeah, the Yankees got a nobody back. It was a straight salary dump.
Wonder if it's the preclude to a big move for a SP
Definitely better suited for a corner and we have way too many of those.
That leaves many days with LF open
Hicks/Gardy split CF and play some LF , that allows Frazier ABs in LF. Plus Gardy is off the books after next year, and Hicks doesn't seem durable. So Florial to CF in two years is almost a lock if he keeps climbing.
That's if Cashman wants to keep 5 OFers.
If Frazier is traded for Fulmer I'm allin with that though.
Once Gardner is gone you could absolutely rotate Judge, Stanton and Frazier between RF/LF/DH. Frazier simply takes Gardner's spot. Not totally ideal but it could definitely work.
IMO, Stanton should be the DH most of the time, especially considering his mileage and contract. He didn't object to it yesterday, although he said they hadn't really discussed it.
+1 Hicks is more valuable than is being pushed here. Mentioning him having a good half season as if that was at some arbitrary point in time: it was last year in the first half. He was posting 300/400 with decent power. It's not unlikely that he'll near that again this year. He barely got his feet under himself by the time the playoffs started, coming off of injury.
If you are going to go big- go REAL big.
I would suggest a package of Grey, Frazier, Abreu, Betances, and a couple minor leaguers for Ray, Corbin and Jared Miller.
The DBacks plan to be competitive in 2018- so Grey gives them at least a #2/#3 SP type, while also getting a closer type in Betances (their closer is a FA now). Due to arbitration cases, the DBacks are tight against their budget cap. This trade saves them at least $4-6M, while giving them a closer, potential starting OF with power, a mid-rotation SP and some nice prospects.
It might not be enough, but it might start a good conversation for both teams.
One that makes even more sense- to both clubs- is to trade Ellsbury to the Dodgers. The trade would essentially be to send Ellsbury and probably two decent prospects or 40 man guys (just to put some sample names out there, let's say Gallegos and Heller) to the Dodgers for Adrian Gonzales.
It makes sense for the Dodgers because they have a VERY unsettled CF situation- Joc Peterson has been underwhelming to say the least- and they have a leadoff hitter problem. Ellsbury takes care of both.
Further, AGon's luxury tax figure is $22M in 2018- the last year of his contract. The Dodgers will have more than $100M coming off the payroll after 2018- and even adding Ellsbury's $21.857M (an almost exact match for luxury tax purposes) in 2019, they will still be below the luxury tax line. The Dodgers also get 2 minimum salary guys to help the 2019 team stay under the luxury tax line.
For the Yanks, they move 3 years of Ellsbury for one year of AGon- and the salary in 2018 is essentially a wash. The Yanks can either keep AGon as a backup 1B and lefty bat- or they can release or trade him. The cost would be a sunk one for 2018- but free up BIG money in 2019 and 2020.
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Let's swing something with them and eat half the money. Ells is from Oregon so he'd be close to his old home and the opportunity to play every day might entice him to accept the trade.
One that makes even more sense- to both clubs- is to trade Ellsbury to the Dodgers. The trade would essentially be to send Ellsbury and probably two decent prospects or 40 man guys (just to put some sample names out there, let's say Gallegos and Heller) to the Dodgers for Adrian Gonzales.
It makes sense for the Dodgers because they have a VERY unsettled CF situation- Joc Peterson has been underwhelming to say the least- and they have a leadoff hitter problem. Ellsbury takes care of both.
Further, AGon's luxury tax figure is $22M in 2018- the last year of his contract. The Dodgers will have more than $100M coming off the payroll after 2018- and even adding Ellsbury's $21.857M (an almost exact match for luxury tax purposes) in 2019, they will still be below the luxury tax line. The Dodgers also get 2 minimum salary guys to help the 2019 team stay under the luxury tax line.
For the Yanks, they move 3 years of Ellsbury for one year of AGon- and the salary in 2018 is essentially a wash. The Yanks can either keep AGon as a backup 1B and lefty bat- or they can release or trade him. The cost would be a sunk one for 2018- but free up BIG money in 2019 and 2020.
I like you're ideas
Like I said, the Yanks have to accept the contract as a sunk cost- it is a matter of minimizing damage.
I did say they would have to make a choice- keep him, trade him or release him. The most likely outcome would be a release- as he physically might not be able to play anymore.
Ray has always been rather highly thought of- lefty who can rack up the K's. The problem has always been command and control. He finally began to miss bats (significant reduction in hits) last season- though he still needs to command the strike zone better, as demonstrated by his 71 walks in 162 IP.
He can get better yet- his BABIP was .270 last season. In past years, it was .355, .318 and .355- which are all excessively high. In other words, he should begin pitching to a lower BABIP going forward- assuming he continues to learn to command the zone.
He is also just 26 years old- and won't turn 27 until October.
In a strange twist of fate- he was one of 2 P sent to the DBacks from the Tigers in the Didi trade.
If you are going to go big- go REAL big.
I would suggest a package of Grey, Frazier, Abreu, Betances, and a couple minor leaguers for Ray, Corbin and Jared Miller.
The DBacks plan to be competitive in 2018- so Grey gives them at least a #2/#3 SP type, while also getting a closer type in Betances (their closer is a FA now). Due to arbitration cases, the DBacks are tight against their budget cap. This trade saves them at least $4-6M, while giving them a closer, potential starting OF with power, a mid-rotation SP and some nice prospects.
It might not be enough, but it might start a good conversation for both teams.
The outlook is Gray.