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GiantFilthy : 12/12/2017 11:11 am
the league of America’s future."

Agree/disagree before eventual bannings and/or deletion?

Interesting piece by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - ( New Window )
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pjcas18 : 12/12/2017 11:14 am : link
I think he's the greatest, but my dad says he doesn't work hard enough on defense. And he says that lots of times, he doesn't even run down court. And that he doesn't really try... except during the playoffs.
I believe it.  
Bill L : 12/12/2017 11:14 am : link
You can see their faces, you can know their names, you can recognize them on the street. That gives you more of a connection. The game is faster and they've done a hell of a job marketing.
depends on what the definition of America's future is  
UConn4523 : 12/12/2017 11:15 am : link
ratings? revenue?

I don't think its unreasonable to think the NFL peaked and will regress but I'm not sure if it will be eclipsed by the NBA in revenue. CTE and how head trauma is handled will effect the NFL the most.
Disagree, I think fantasy football  
barens : 12/12/2017 11:16 am : link
will always give the NFL that boost it needs to stay on top.
Hockey is.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/12/2017 11:18 am : link
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It depends..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/12/2017 11:19 am : link
and is cyclical.

A few years ago, the NBA was struggling post-Jordan and had a bunch of unlikeable players. The last couple of years, baseball has put on some compelling postseasons.

You never really know what's going to trend.
RE: Hockey is.  
djm : 12/12/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13737111 BrettNYG10 said:
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Basketball  
mdthedream : 12/12/2017 11:22 am : link
sucks its a three point fest. It will never be the NFL in revenue. The NFL has more interest because its less games that all mean something. It is a better betting game and a much better Fantasy league game. All of this makes it number 1 in the USA. I think Baseball has a better chance than Basketball.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/12/2017 11:24 am : link
I can only speak for myself, but I didn't watch a second of Pats-Fins last night, instead choosing to watch Rockets-Pelicans on NBA TV.

The NBA product right now, IMO, is much superior to the NFL. The talent in the league is off the charts, old powers (Boston, Philadelphia, etc.) are on the rise, & the personalities are much more interesting than the NFL.
The athletes in the NBA are incredible  
Go Terps : 12/12/2017 11:28 am : link
But where they lose me is in the whole way the league is marketed. I'm completely turned off by the fact that the individual players are bigger than the teams. It makes the league feel like a cheap soap opera. Does nothing for me.
Wishful thinking.  
lawguy9801 : 12/12/2017 11:28 am : link
The NFL, while not having a good year, cuts across racial, demographic and other lines in its popularity. I would say that it and baseball are truly "America's games."

The NBA, while no doubt popular, is more urban in appeal. I don't mean that in a racial sense, but in the same way as a sport like hockey. Those sports are popular in the cities in which they play, but is the average American sports fan more likely to sit down and watch an NFL game involving two non-local teams, or an NBA game involving two non-local teams? Last night was Patriots-Dolphins on MNF. What would get bigger ratings - that, or a regular season Celtics-Heat matchup?
Have not watched and NBA  
section125 : 12/12/2017 11:30 am : link
game in years.

Soccer is the future as CTE and injuries slowly kill the NFL/Football.
I think this is  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/12/2017 11:32 am : link
true.
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christian : 12/12/2017 11:32 am : link
The league does a fantastic job of marketing the players, but not at the expense of the game.

I know so many more things about the playing style and advanced metrics than I do about their personal lives, opinions, contracts etc.

You'd have to seek it out - I watch several games a week and don't see anything resembling a soap opera.
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GiantFilthy : 12/12/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13737173 christian said:
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The league does a fantastic job of marketing the players, but not at the expense of the game.

I know so many more things about the playing style and advanced metrics than I do about their personal lives, opinions, contracts etc.

You'd have to seek it out - I watch several games a week and don't see anything resembling a soap opera.

Partially agree with this. The NBA does build storylines and promotions around drama, but they do a great job of keeping it on the court. Lebron's first game in Cleveland after leaving for Miami. Kobe's first game against Dwight after DCoward left LA. Etc, etc.
RE: Have not watched and NBA  
Rocky369 : 12/12/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13737160 section125 said:
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game in years.

Soccer is the future as CTE and injuries slowly kill the NFL/Football.

concussions happen all the time in soccer. might not be equivalent to a CTE diagnosis, but soccer is not a "safe" sport.
From a distance it appears that a concussion happens  
GiantFilthy : 12/12/2017 11:43 am : link
on average every 40 seconds in a soccer game. Usually a non-contact injury.
Not just CTE, but soccer is dangerous  
pjcas18 : 12/12/2017 11:43 am : link
because of all the snipers in the stands taking out players.

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Go Terps : 12/12/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13737197 GiantFilthy said:
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The league does a fantastic job of marketing the players, but not at the expense of the game.

I know so many more things about the playing style and advanced metrics than I do about their personal lives, opinions, contracts etc.

You'd have to seek it out - I watch several games a week and don't see anything resembling a soap opera.


Partially agree with this. The NBA does build storylines and promotions around drama, but they do a great job of keeping it on the court. Lebron's first game in Cleveland after leaving for Miami. Kobe's first game against Dwight after DCoward left LA. Etc, etc.


If I wanted that I'd watch the WWE.
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GiantFilthy : 12/12/2017 11:49 am : link
In comment 13737245 Go Terps said:
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The league does a fantastic job of marketing the players, but not at the expense of the game.

I know so many more things about the playing style and advanced metrics than I do about their personal lives, opinions, contracts etc.

You'd have to seek it out - I watch several games a week and don't see anything resembling a soap opera.


Partially agree with this. The NBA does build storylines and promotions around drama, but they do a great job of keeping it on the court. Lebron's first game in Cleveland after leaving for Miami. Kobe's first game against Dwight after DCoward left LA. Etc, etc.



If I wanted that I'd watch the WWE.

So you gave absolutely zero cares the first time Eli went in to San Diego for a game? Gonna call bullshit.
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RottenApple : 12/12/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13737095 pjcas18 said:
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I think he's the greatest, but my dad says he doesn't work hard enough on defense. And he says that lots of times, he doesn't even run down court. And that he doesn't really try... except during the playoffs.


The hell I don't!
I think baseball is going to retake  
bradshaw44 : 12/12/2017 11:51 am : link
That crown.
in the years to come  
UESBLUE : 12/12/2017 11:51 am : link
parents with even middle class incomes will hold their boys out of football and encourage basketball and soccer instead. The NFL will become what boxing was. The last stop for those who value $ over health
Call bullshit all you want  
Go Terps : 12/12/2017 11:54 am : link
The made up narratives don't do anything for me. Basketball is an awesome game, and the athletes in the NBA might be the very best of any sport. Can't that be enough?
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Go Terps : 12/12/2017 11:55 am : link
The NBA regular season is meaningless for the most part..  
Sean : 12/12/2017 11:59 am : link
And the drama of the off-season has surpassed the actual games. The NBA has done a fantastic job of producing storylines.
RE: The athletes in the NBA are incredible  
Enzo : 12/12/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13737156 Go Terps said:
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But where they lose me is in the whole way the league is marketed. I'm completely turned off by the fact that the individual players are bigger than the teams. It makes the league feel like a cheap soap opera. Does nothing for me.

I don't see how the different leagues are marketed all that differently.
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Elisthebest : 12/12/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13737095 pjcas18 said:
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I think he's the greatest, but my dad says he doesn't work hard enough on defense. And he says that lots of times, he doesn't even run down court. And that he doesn't really try... except during the playoffs.

... Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes ...
RE: The NBA regular season is meaningless for the most part..  
UConn4523 : 12/12/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13737296 Sean said:
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And the drama of the off-season has surpassed the actual games. The NBA has done a fantastic job of producing storylines.


82 worthless games vs 16 all important games are a huge factor. Heck, the NBA playoffs in its current form are also meaningless until the Conference Finals and sometimes not even until the Finals.
It's a credit to the NBA  
Kyle in NY : 12/12/2017 12:18 pm : link
that they've generated so much buzz and interest in their game at this point in the season considering the fact that maybe 4 teams actually have a shot to win the title and we likely already know what the finals matchup will be.

Silver as a commissioner is just miles ahead of Goodell. The guy gets it.
RE: Have not watched and NBA  
djm : 12/12/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13737160 section125 said:
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game in years.

Soccer is the future as CTE and injuries slowly kill the NFL/Football.


Soccer has been the future for the last 50 years. Wake me up when Soccer gets a 20 rating while going up against game 6 MLB playoff games.

The NFL was, is and will be king. It's taken some hits this year but it still gets insane ratings. The sport still generates mind blowing amounts of revenue.
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djm : 12/12/2017 12:32 pm : link
soccer has its own CTE issues to contend with.

Soccer will never ever sniff the NFL's level of popularity in this country. At least not in our lifetimes it won't.
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christian : 12/12/2017 12:37 pm : link
Comparing any single NBA game to an NFL game, regular season or playoffs is silly.

The NFL is more popular - but keep an eye on it. Sample NBA ratings are climbing as the NFL slips. People actually like watching basketball and it's not killing it's players.
The only reason I'd agree with Kareem  
GiantsLaw : 12/12/2017 12:37 pm : link
is because football's fate is not secure. Parents are steering their kids away from football and it will eventually have ramifications.

I don't like the current NBA product. A 3 pt shooting contest, and nobody follows their shot (my own personal pet peeve). If they eliminated the 3pt line, I'd watch more.
I expect ratings for all sports to kind of even out  
Go Terps : 12/12/2017 12:40 pm : link
I think we're in the process of sports fans learning how to use the new ways we consume media to access what they want. As that happens, I'd expect NFL ratings to continue to drop and the other sports to remain stable but not really increase.
The NBA will always be limited by the fact that very few teams  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2017 12:40 pm : link
ever have a possibility of contending for a title. There just isn't much drama at all.
OT  
GiantsLaw : 12/12/2017 12:43 pm : link
Football's popularity has plateaued and come down from its peak,  
81_Great_Dane : 12/12/2017 1:49 pm : link
but further decline is not inevitable. The game itself can be fixed, the TV presentation can be improved.

However there is the larger problem of the game being fundamentally harmful to the players. At some point, there's going to be mass testing for CTE, and it's going to emerge that a large percentage of high school and college football players are accumulating Tau in their brain tissue. Maybe even younger players. At that point, most parents and players will give the game up. If the game is really going to be saved, some treatment or cure for that will have to be found. That could take decades.

The NBA is huge in China and elsewhere in the world, where the NFL is very much an American game.
NBA has a lot of good young stars  
Rflairr : 12/12/2017 9:00 pm : link
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Think Kareem is wrong  
bc4life : 12/13/2017 2:50 pm : link
Problem with NBA is while the action is fast, it is repetitive. It's like watching a nfl team run the same 3 plays over and over again.
kneeling hasn't helped  
bc4life : 12/13/2017 2:55 pm : link
creates unnecessary controversy.

sports is entertainment - lot of people watch as diversion from life's problems. they don't want it to be an extension cable news, politics thrust into their view when they are trying to escape from them.

concussion issues haven't helped either.

America's future? Doubt it  
njm : 12/13/2017 3:21 pm : link
But of all the US professional leagues it will have the largest following for a world audience.
disagree  
RasputinPrime : 12/13/2017 4:01 pm : link
baseball has and will only become even moreso America's game. I do agree that the NFL is going to face increasing challenges in the years ahead.
RE: Think Kareem is wrong  
Mark C : 12/13/2017 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13739288 bc4life said:
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Problem with NBA is while the action is fast, it is repetitive. It's like watching a nfl team run the same 3 plays over and over again.


As a Giants fan, I know exactly what you're talking about.

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Sarcastic Sam : 12/13/2017 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13739518 Mark C said:
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In comment 13739288 bc4life said:


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Problem with NBA is while the action is fast, it is repetitive. It's like watching a nfl team run the same 3 plays over and over again.



As a Giants fan, I know exactly what you're talking about.


El oh el.
RE: disagree  
Sarcastic Sam : 12/13/2017 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13739401 RasputinPrime said:
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baseball has and will only become even moreso America's game. I do agree that the NFL is going to face increasing challenges in the years ahead.


Don't count curling out. That shit is the shit.
Football is on it's way out.  
Ira : 12/13/2017 10:07 pm : link
I love the sport, but there's no way to stop the harm it does to players minds and bodies. And because of that, many parents won't let their kids play the sport - and that means fewer and fewer young fans.
Mark C  
bc4life : 12/14/2017 6:55 am : link
I was waiting for that
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