That double during the comeback in game 4 against the Astros where he fell between first and second. Thought he was done for but he found a way to get to second.
why would the Padres, a notoriously stingy franchise, agree to take $13 million in salary for a couple of bums? Are they the millennium version of the Kansas City Athletics??
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Also, remember, the Headley deal is just a prelude. More coming from the #Yankees, and probably soon.
Question on the trades we've made. For our 40 man, it seems as if we've opened up at least one spot, added Stanton and Blash, and subtracted Castro, Headley and Mitchell.
Can we now add a player to the 40 to avoid exposing him to the rule 5, or has that deadline passed? I know there were a few lower minor guys that looked like they could be picked.
why would the Padres, a notoriously stingy franchise, agree to take $13 million in salary for a couple of bums? Are they the millennium version of the Kansas City Athletics??
Mitchell is not a bum. He has above average stiff and still has time on his side to put it all together. There's upside in this trade for for the Padres.
The deadline to set the 40 man roster has already passed.
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Stanton: +$22,000,000 (approx)
Castro: -$8,571,429
Headley: -$13,000,000
Blash: +$535,000
Mitchell: -$550,625
So Yankees add Gincarlo Stanton, and their luxury tax number only increases around $413,000
I'm not sure if that's accurate - the Marlins cash contribution is reportedly not due unless/until Stanton's opt-out lapses. So he's on the books for $25MM in each of the next three seasons, then ~$20.7MM for the remaining seven seasons if he does not opt out.
For tax cap calculations Stanton's tax figure is $22 million
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I also wasn't big on dumping Headley. When he's on, he's a huge difference maker at the plate. He's also a solid backup at the corners. I understand wanting the money though. I see this as a prelude to something bigger, so I'm reserving judgment. Cashman hasn't let us down in a while.
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I'm fine with moving on from Headley (who I liked). Yes, he could play both 1/3, but he is below average defensively at both. Frazier is definitely better defensively at 3B. Yes, Headley can switch hit but he was really streaky - Frazier may not be quite as versatile offensively but he battles and is not much of a drop-off, if any, from Headley. Plus - we save $13M that can go for another position of need (SP?). And Headley was older and in the last year of his contract ... time to move on. Can't assume Bird will get hurt again, and Billy McKinney played 1B in the AFL (and pretty well from what the stats show).
but, yes, I thought Headley would play out the final year of his deal in pinstripes after he proved proficient at first base. Having a vet to protect Torres, Andujar and Bird at the corners is important, and I'd imagine one will be added.
Rumors today that Manny Machado is on the trade market. He might get traded- might not. Word is that regardless, he wants to move back to SS.
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
RE: Just an interesting thought for NEXT offseason
Rumors today that Manny Machado is on the trade market. He might get traded- might not. Word is that regardless, he wants to move back to SS.
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
Why do this when Didi is getting better every year? This is not fantasy baseball. A well liked 25 HR shortstop who is getting better does not need to be replaced.
There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Have to say your argument is not that strong. You are arguing over career OBP of .313 vs .329? that is about 8 more times on base (hits and walks) per year and Didi had a very low BA before the Yanks. Machado was always good.
Now does Machado have better power numbers? - yes.
Is Machado a bigger star? Yes - but Didi is a star.
Your best point is the two years age difference, but Machado will cost a lot more coin than Didi.
He plays a great 3B and is a decent lefty bat, which brings a bit more balance to our lineup. He's also gonna be a ton cheaper than Machado will be, and is only 29.
Obviously, anyone would want Machado vs. him, but he'd be a lot better at 3B and in the lineup to Headley.
But at the price he'll get, I don't think you're getting top value.
I'm actually really curious to see what they do with the infield now. Maybe Torres and Andujar force the issue by the second half, but they aren't going to start the year in the Bronx.
There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Did is actually UNDERRATED.
Nobody is saying that hes as good as Machado, but is Machado $300 million better than Didi? Because thats going to be the difference in contracts. Performance/pay differential, Ill take Didi.
but on Didi I also disagree - i think hes underrated by some, especially on defense. He may not win a gold glove as long as Andrelton Simmons is in the same league, but his defense is first rate. Hes cut way down on the occasional sloppy throws, and his range is a big reason why our infield defense is a lot better than the last few years of the Jeter era. He routinely gets to balls up the middle that Jeter never sniffed in his career.
Sure, wed prefer a .360 OBP from him, but hes improved enough hitting lefties that hes a legit threat at the plate and should be a consistent 20 HR guy. And his lefty bat is valuable in our righty dominated lineup.
I think were good with Didi at SS, at least until his range starts to decline in his early 30s
There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Did is actually UNDERRATED.
Nobody is saying that hes as good as Machado, but is Machado $300 million better than Didi? Because thats going to be the difference in contracts. Performance/pay differential, Ill take Didi.
Didi will be a FA in 2019- and will almost certainly net a contract well in excess of $100M, maybe $150M. Outside of Machado, there is not another SS who will be available in FA of his caliber between now and 2019. He will get paid and paid BIG.
I think Machado will break $300M- but he's not getting to $400M. I think only Harper can reach that level- and Machado just isn't close to Harper.
So, we are talking about somewhere between $150-200M difference between them. However, you also have to consider prime years. Didi will give you another 5, maybe 6 years as a prime player- max. However, Machado could give you up to 10 years in his prime.
That is what you are paying the difference for. Machado will simply produce more for longer than Didi will- and produce more than Didi annually.
You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Yes, Didi is improving and yes, he is a very good defender and has very good power for the position. However, he is older than Machado by two and a half years, he simply does not get on base at a high rate- his career best is basically equal to Machado's career worst, and Machado still has not even reached his prime years statistically- while Didi has already begun his.
Last year his OPS+ was 106 and he's a plus defender. His OPS+ has gone 89, 97, 106 in his three Yankee seasons. He has plus power for a SS. But he's been a low OBP player. If he can get his OBP into the 330-340 range he's an all star player.
There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Did is actually UNDERRATED.
Nobody is saying that hes as good as Machado, but is Machado $300 million better than Didi? Because thats going to be the difference in contracts. Performance/pay differential, Ill take Didi.
Didi will be a FA in 2019- and will almost certainly net a contract well in excess of $100M, maybe $150M. Outside of Machado, there is not another SS who will be available in FA of his caliber between now and 2019. He will get paid and paid BIG.
I think Machado will break $300M- but he's not getting to $400M. I think only Harper can reach that level- and Machado just isn't close to Harper.
So, we are talking about somewhere between $150-200M difference between them. However, you also have to consider prime years. Didi will give you another 5, maybe 6 years as a prime player- max. However, Machado could give you up to 10 years in his prime.
That is what you are paying the difference for. Machado will simply produce more for longer than Didi will- and produce more than Didi annually.
You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Yes, Didi is improving and yes, he is a very good defender and has very good power for the position. However, he is older than Machado by two and a half years, he simply does not get on base at a high rate- his career best is basically equal to Machado's career worst, and Machado still has not even reached his prime years statistically- while Didi has already begun his.
very good points, once didi hits FA and signs his real contract the difference in cost vs value might be small enough to favor Machado. however, i personally hate Macahado as a player for the way he carries himself on the field, obviously biased as a yankee fan. and that being said are we just now throwing aside gleyber torres as possible long term SS?
at this point i think it is a dangerous concept to be soo heavily invested in power RH hitters on long term contracts. Stanton, Judge, Sanchez, machado combined salary would be more then some small nations GDP and it would come with ALOT of strikeouts. as exciting as it would be, that would be an fragile balance.
But the Yanks sluggers are not Dave Kingman types. They actually draw walks and as Judge clearly demonstrated last year, are willing to take a walk when they don't get their pitch.
Something that we may want to think about. Stanton is also a huge guy- listed at 6'6"- but has a big enough rep in the game that he gets strike calls that are close. It might help Judge get some of those low calls that we so bad last year. How many times did we see the umps call a strike on Judge on pitches several inches below his knees- because it was a strike for everyone else? Too many times.
This MIGHT be a small factor- but little things make a difference. If Judge can begin to eliminate that strike call from pitchers, it makes him that much more of a dangerous hitter.
So possibly $26 million til they hit the tax threshold.
They'd also have to budget for any incentives that get achieved and September call-ups. And that's without considering any players they might like to add at the deadline. I would imagine they'll operate as though they have more like $15-20M to spend as of right now.
So possibly $26 million til they hit the tax threshold.
They'd also have to budget for any incentives that get achieved and September call-ups. And that's without considering any players they might like to add at the deadline. I would imagine they'll operate as though they have more like $15-20M to spend as of right now.
Only Stanton and DRob have incentives- and neither one's amounts to very much- maybe $1M each- and they are based more on All Star and MVP awards.
As for the call-ups, that is accounted for in the luxury tax system. The system even accounts for what players on the 40 man roster earn while in the minors.
Thus, the Yanks really do have around $25-26M left before hitting the luxury tax line.
A SS hitting 40 hr's would command bigger bucks than a 3B would. If he comes to NY he's playing 3d. We need Didi's lefthanded bat to balance the lineup.
how people can watch the Yanks last year and come away with the conclusion Didi is overrated.
He was the catalyst for a couple of key postseason wins, including the wild Card game. His metrics have improved year over year and his defense is improved.
how people can watch the Yanks last year and come away with the conclusion Didi is overrated.
He was the catalyst for a couple of key postseason wins, including the wild Card game. His metrics have improved year over year and his defense is improved.
He is in the discussion for top SS's in the game.
No one is arguing that he isn't one of the top SS in MLB. However, I will say that those who claim that the Yanks should not pursue Machado as a SS because they have Didi are seriously overrating Didi.
There is no doubt that Didi has dramatically improved since he joined the Yanks. However, we cannot nor should we expect much more in the way of improvement. He is literally in the middle of his prime years- improvement is expected during that time- but as he begins to enter his late prime in 2-3 years, we can also expect regression.
The difference with Machado is that he is younger- and if we are honest with ourselves- significantly more talented than Didi. Machado is about to enter his prime years- in which further improvement can be expected. In several years, when Didi can be expected to begin his decline, Machado will be in his prime with years of high end performance remaining.
If anyone is arguing against any trade based on Didi's current performance- that is fine- I don't believe that the Yanks should trade for Machado. However, if the argument is based on FA after 2018, then I disagree- the years that Machado will sign as a FA as his prime year- as a star, we can expect superlative numbers. Didi will not be able to match those numbers.
Keep the "big picture" in mind- the Yanks window of contention is just opening- and that window may involve many years of contention with this young base. The Yanks decision at SS cannot be made with just the present in mind. The decision comes down to who will be the most productive at SS in 2019 and for the subsequent years.
Say what you will about today- but Machado WILL be the better player in 2019- and 2022. Remember, in 2022, Machado will turn 30 mid-season and still be rolling. Remember that MANY of the young players either with the Yanks now or will be joining them will also enter their primes at about that time. You want a team that is hitting the top cylinder all at the same time.
I get it, Didi has been the guy for this team for a couple years now. That makes him popular with the fans who put up with some so-so years. However, past heroics does not entitle you to a lifetime job in baseball- ask the current manager about the shelf life of Yankee post-season heroics.
When next winter rolls around, and Machado reaches FA, having Didi on the roster will not stop the Yanks from going after Machado and promising him the SS job if that is his demand. That's the way baseball works.
Good luck to him, seemed like a good dude.
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Also, remember, the Headley deal is just a prelude. More coming from the #Yankees, and probably soon.
Question on the trades we've made. For our 40 man, it seems as if we've opened up at least one spot, added Stanton and Blash, and subtracted Castro, Headley and Mitchell.
Can we now add a player to the 40 to avoid exposing him to the rule 5, or has that deadline passed? I know there were a few lower minor guys that looked like they could be picked.
Mitchell is not a bum. He has above average stiff and still has time on his side to put it all together. There's upside in this trade for for the Padres.
Thank you. Thought that was the case.
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Stanton: +$22,000,000 (approx)
Castro: -$8,571,429
Headley: -$13,000,000
Blash: +$535,000
Mitchell: -$550,625
So Yankees add Gincarlo Stanton, and their luxury tax number only increases around $413,000
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Stanton: +$22,000,000 (approx)
Castro: -$8,571,429
Headley: -$13,000,000
Blash: +$535,000
Mitchell: -$550,625
So Yankees add Gincarlo Stanton, and their luxury tax number only increases around $413,000
I'm not sure if that's accurate - the Marlins cash contribution is reportedly not due unless/until Stanton's opt-out lapses. So he's on the books for $25MM in each of the next three seasons, then ~$20.7MM for the remaining seven seasons if he does not opt out.
So possibly $26 million til they hit the tax threshold.
Thanks Chase
Imo it's Andujar at 3B, Torres up in may as insurance or to play 2B and take Toes slot or Wades
Sorry I meant insurance at 3B incase Andujar Craps the bed in the field
When he comes up he's the starter I agree. At 2B
Thanks Chase
Imo it's Andujar at 3B, Torres up in may as insurance or to play 2B and take Toes slot or Wades
Cooper has been traded to the Marlins a few weeks ago in exchange for $250k in international bonus money.
Try not to be jealous that it is a Mets town.
Not going with Moustakas with Andujar/Torres & Machado in the horizon.
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I also wasn't big on dumping Headley. When he's on, he's a huge difference maker at the plate. He's also a solid backup at the corners. I understand wanting the money though. I see this as a prelude to something bigger, so I'm reserving judgment. Cashman hasn't let us down in a while.
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I'm fine with moving on from Headley (who I liked). Yes, he could play both 1/3, but he is below average defensively at both. Frazier is definitely better defensively at 3B. Yes, Headley can switch hit but he was really streaky - Frazier may not be quite as versatile offensively but he battles and is not much of a drop-off, if any, from Headley. Plus - we save $13M that can go for another position of need (SP?). And Headley was older and in the last year of his contract ... time to move on. Can't assume Bird will get hurt again, and Billy McKinney played 1B in the AFL (and pretty well from what the stats show).
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
Why do this when Didi is getting better every year? This is not fantasy baseball. A well liked 25 HR shortstop who is getting better does not need to be replaced.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Have to say your argument is not that strong. You are arguing over career OBP of .313 vs .329? that is about 8 more times on base (hits and walks) per year and Didi had a very low BA before the Yanks. Machado was always good.
Now does Machado have better power numbers? - yes.
Is Machado a bigger star? Yes - but Didi is a star.
Your best point is the two years age difference, but Machado will cost a lot more coin than Didi.
Obviously, anyone would want Machado vs. him, but he'd be a lot better at 3B and in the lineup to Headley.
That's certainly not exciting.
I'm actually really curious to see what they do with the infield now. Maybe Torres and Andujar force the issue by the second half, but they aren't going to start the year in the Bronx.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Did is actually UNDERRATED.
Nobody is saying that hes as good as Machado, but is Machado $300 million better than Didi? Because thats going to be the difference in contracts. Performance/pay differential, Ill take Didi.
Sure, wed prefer a .360 OBP from him, but hes improved enough hitting lefties that hes a legit threat at the plate and should be a consistent 20 HR guy. And his lefty bat is valuable in our righty dominated lineup.
I think were good with Didi at SS, at least until his range starts to decline in his early 30s
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There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Did is actually UNDERRATED.
Nobody is saying that hes as good as Machado, but is Machado $300 million better than Didi? Because thats going to be the difference in contracts. Performance/pay differential, Ill take Didi.
Didi will be a FA in 2019- and will almost certainly net a contract well in excess of $100M, maybe $150M. Outside of Machado, there is not another SS who will be available in FA of his caliber between now and 2019. He will get paid and paid BIG.
I think Machado will break $300M- but he's not getting to $400M. I think only Harper can reach that level- and Machado just isn't close to Harper.
So, we are talking about somewhere between $150-200M difference between them. However, you also have to consider prime years. Didi will give you another 5, maybe 6 years as a prime player- max. However, Machado could give you up to 10 years in his prime.
That is what you are paying the difference for. Machado will simply produce more for longer than Didi will- and produce more than Didi annually.
You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Yes, Didi is improving and yes, he is a very good defender and has very good power for the position. However, he is older than Machado by two and a half years, he simply does not get on base at a high rate- his career best is basically equal to Machado's career worst, and Machado still has not even reached his prime years statistically- while Didi has already begun his.
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There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
Did is actually UNDERRATED.
Nobody is saying that hes as good as Machado, but is Machado $300 million better than Didi? Because thats going to be the difference in contracts. Performance/pay differential, Ill take Didi.
Didi will be a FA in 2019- and will almost certainly net a contract well in excess of $100M, maybe $150M. Outside of Machado, there is not another SS who will be available in FA of his caliber between now and 2019. He will get paid and paid BIG.
I think Machado will break $300M- but he's not getting to $400M. I think only Harper can reach that level- and Machado just isn't close to Harper.
So, we are talking about somewhere between $150-200M difference between them. However, you also have to consider prime years. Didi will give you another 5, maybe 6 years as a prime player- max. However, Machado could give you up to 10 years in his prime.
That is what you are paying the difference for. Machado will simply produce more for longer than Didi will- and produce more than Didi annually.
You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Yes, Didi is improving and yes, he is a very good defender and has very good power for the position. However, he is older than Machado by two and a half years, he simply does not get on base at a high rate- his career best is basically equal to Machado's career worst, and Machado still has not even reached his prime years statistically- while Didi has already begun his.
very good points, once didi hits FA and signs his real contract the difference in cost vs value might be small enough to favor Machado. however, i personally hate Macahado as a player for the way he carries himself on the field, obviously biased as a yankee fan. and that being said are we just now throwing aside gleyber torres as possible long term SS?
at this point i think it is a dangerous concept to be soo heavily invested in power RH hitters on long term contracts. Stanton, Judge, Sanchez, machado combined salary would be more then some small nations GDP and it would come with ALOT of strikeouts. as exciting as it would be, that would be an fragile balance.
Something that we may want to think about. Stanton is also a huge guy- listed at 6'6"- but has a big enough rep in the game that he gets strike calls that are close. It might help Judge get some of those low calls that we so bad last year. How many times did we see the umps call a strike on Judge on pitches several inches below his knees- because it was a strike for everyone else? Too many times.
This MIGHT be a small factor- but little things make a difference. If Judge can begin to eliminate that strike call from pitchers, it makes him that much more of a dangerous hitter.
So possibly $26 million til they hit the tax threshold.
They'd also have to budget for any incentives that get achieved and September call-ups. And that's without considering any players they might like to add at the deadline. I would imagine they'll operate as though they have more like $15-20M to spend as of right now.
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They'll be around $164-$170 million.
So possibly $26 million til they hit the tax threshold.
They'd also have to budget for any incentives that get achieved and September call-ups. And that's without considering any players they might like to add at the deadline. I would imagine they'll operate as though they have more like $15-20M to spend as of right now.
Only Stanton and DRob have incentives- and neither one's amounts to very much- maybe $1M each- and they are based more on All Star and MVP awards.
As for the call-ups, that is accounted for in the luxury tax system. The system even accounts for what players on the 40 man roster earn while in the minors.
Thus, the Yanks really do have around $25-26M left before hitting the luxury tax line.
I can't even imagine what it must be like to be a Mets fan right now.
He was the catalyst for a couple of key postseason wins, including the wild Card game. His metrics have improved year over year and his defense is improved.
He is in the discussion for top SS's in the game.
He was the catalyst for a couple of key postseason wins, including the wild Card game. His metrics have improved year over year and his defense is improved.
He is in the discussion for top SS's in the game.
No one is arguing that he isn't one of the top SS in MLB. However, I will say that those who claim that the Yanks should not pursue Machado as a SS because they have Didi are seriously overrating Didi.
There is no doubt that Didi has dramatically improved since he joined the Yanks. However, we cannot nor should we expect much more in the way of improvement. He is literally in the middle of his prime years- improvement is expected during that time- but as he begins to enter his late prime in 2-3 years, we can also expect regression.
The difference with Machado is that he is younger- and if we are honest with ourselves- significantly more talented than Didi. Machado is about to enter his prime years- in which further improvement can be expected. In several years, when Didi can be expected to begin his decline, Machado will be in his prime with years of high end performance remaining.
If anyone is arguing against any trade based on Didi's current performance- that is fine- I don't believe that the Yanks should trade for Machado. However, if the argument is based on FA after 2018, then I disagree- the years that Machado will sign as a FA as his prime year- as a star, we can expect superlative numbers. Didi will not be able to match those numbers.
Keep the "big picture" in mind- the Yanks window of contention is just opening- and that window may involve many years of contention with this young base. The Yanks decision at SS cannot be made with just the present in mind. The decision comes down to who will be the most productive at SS in 2019 and for the subsequent years.
Say what you will about today- but Machado WILL be the better player in 2019- and 2022. Remember, in 2022, Machado will turn 30 mid-season and still be rolling. Remember that MANY of the young players either with the Yanks now or will be joining them will also enter their primes at about that time. You want a team that is hitting the top cylinder all at the same time.
I get it, Didi has been the guy for this team for a couple years now. That makes him popular with the fans who put up with some so-so years. However, past heroics does not entitle you to a lifetime job in baseball- ask the current manager about the shelf life of Yankee post-season heroics.
When next winter rolls around, and Machado reaches FA, having Didi on the roster will not stop the Yanks from going after Machado and promising him the SS job if that is his demand. That's the way baseball works.