I'm a little surprised. Headley is well liked and has been a good soldier. Good job by Cash sending him back home to San Diego. I suppose Todd Frazier could be an option unless they really want to give the young guys a chance in camp. I knew Cashman would be wheeling and dealing with all the chips he has at his disposal. Freeing up another $13 mil means something else is coming. Stay tuned.
but wow, he's done a fantastic job these past few seasons.
No doubt. Lately seems like the rest of them are playing checkers while Cashman is playing chess.
And I agree, Headley handled himself like a pro. Maddeningly streaky, but delivered some big hits, and got hot at the right time in the playoffs this year.
He did decline sharply as a fielder...was pretty sound at 3B when we first traded for him, but the last couple seasons he was Edward scissorhands
Im cool with bringing Frazier or any vet in for leadership and to play 3B, as long as whoever it is knows theyre just keeping it warm for Andujar or maybe Machado next year.
but I won't be sad to see him go. Most of us have groaned whenever he strolled to the plate during his time here. He seemed to turn it on in streaks occasionally though and had a few nice moments in the playoffs. Best of luck to him.
I have to think this means they want to re-sign Frazier, maybe for 10 million or so if possible. It's a little less than what he has made the past few seasons but that's a 3 million savings over Headley which is no joke when they're kind of imposing a cap upon themselves this year. I wouldn't feel comfortable with Andujar and Wade/Torres manning both 3B and 2B. Can't just hand multiple spots to rookies like that. And Frazier was a major leadership presence for the team.
I also can't see them putting pretty much all of that money towards an arm in free agency. Can't say I'd be that excited about Alex Cobb.
Frazier isn't as blocked in the majors as many think.
Gardner is in the last year of his contract and he's entering his mid 30s. Don't see him back. Frazier could be the future LF with Stanton seeing most of the time at DH or splitting time with Judge. I trust Cashman's judgment though.
That this is a precursor to a trade for Machado? I figure remote, but were allowed to dream, arent we?
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Frazier has "only" made $25 million in his career so far. This might be he last chance to to sign a big contract. I think he chases the money.
I didn't even realize that. For some reason, I was under the impression that he'd been in the Majors for a much longer time. I guess he looks older than he actually is.
been had Cashman been allowed to trade Cano during his last season here. From what I recall, Cash wanted to move him while ownership wanted to resign him. And then the Ellsbury albatross happened.
Basically covers Stanton's $25 mil this season. Unbelievable job by Cashman adding reigning NL MVP and still being in position to come in under the luxury threshold.
a consummate professional with an understated demeanor who was willing to do whatever the team asked of him. This was a good move by the Yanks to shed salary so that they can pick up another piece and still stay under the luxury tax to reset the rates.
That this is a precursor to a trade for Machado? I figure remote, but were allowed to dream, arent we?
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Probably remote. I can think of about 28 other teams the Os would rather trade Machado to than the Yankees.
Yanks spent so many offseason sand trade deadlines
That this is a precursor to a trade for Machado? I figure remote, but were allowed to dream, arent we?
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Probably remote. I can think of about 28 other teams the Os would rather trade Machado to than the Yankees.
This would be a tough one. He'll be a FA next year, unless you can lock him into a long term deal, trading a bunch of blue chip prospects is probably not wise. And if the team could lock him up, how many big time salaries is Hal going to allow; that's what got the team in trouble a couple seasons back.
That this is a precursor to a trade for Machado? I figure remote, but were allowed to dream, arent we?
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Supposedly Machado wants to go back to shortstop, which wouldn't happen here. Besides, I would assume that the cost in prospects would be enormous.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather bring back Todd Frazier than gut the system for Machado, even if it means that Machado ends up getting traded elsewhere and staying there.
RE: RE: Could mean Frazier is coming back if he's willing to do a short
That this is a precursor to a trade for Machado? I figure remote, but were allowed to dream, arent we?
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Supposedly Machado wants to go back to shortstop, which wouldn't happen here. Besides, I would assume that the cost in prospects would be enormous.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather bring back Todd Frazier than gut the system for Machado, even if it means that Machado ends up getting traded elsewhere and staying there.
That double during the comeback in game 4 against the Astros where he fell between first and second. Thought he was done for but he found a way to get to second.
why would the Padres, a notoriously stingy franchise, agree to take $13 million in salary for a couple of bums? Are they the millennium version of the Kansas City Athletics??
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Also, remember, the Headley deal is just a prelude. More coming from the #Yankees, and probably soon.
Question on the trades we've made. For our 40 man, it seems as if we've opened up at least one spot, added Stanton and Blash, and subtracted Castro, Headley and Mitchell.
Can we now add a player to the 40 to avoid exposing him to the rule 5, or has that deadline passed? I know there were a few lower minor guys that looked like they could be picked.
why would the Padres, a notoriously stingy franchise, agree to take $13 million in salary for a couple of bums? Are they the millennium version of the Kansas City Athletics??
Mitchell is not a bum. He has above average stiff and still has time on his side to put it all together. There's upside in this trade for for the Padres.
The deadline to set the 40 man roster has already passed.
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Thank you. Thought that was the case.
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Stanton: +$22,000,000 (approx)
Castro: -$8,571,429
Headley: -$13,000,000
Blash: +$535,000
Mitchell: -$550,625
So Yankees add Gincarlo Stanton, and their luxury tax number only increases around $413,000
I'm not sure if that's accurate - the Marlins cash contribution is reportedly not due unless/until Stanton's opt-out lapses. So he's on the books for $25MM in each of the next three seasons, then ~$20.7MM for the remaining seven seasons if he does not opt out.
For tax cap calculations Stanton's tax figure is $22 million
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I also wasn't big on dumping Headley. When he's on, he's a huge difference maker at the plate. He's also a solid backup at the corners. I understand wanting the money though. I see this as a prelude to something bigger, so I'm reserving judgment. Cashman hasn't let us down in a while.
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I'm fine with moving on from Headley (who I liked). Yes, he could play both 1/3, but he is below average defensively at both. Frazier is definitely better defensively at 3B. Yes, Headley can switch hit but he was really streaky - Frazier may not be quite as versatile offensively but he battles and is not much of a drop-off, if any, from Headley. Plus - we save $13M that can go for another position of need (SP?). And Headley was older and in the last year of his contract ... time to move on. Can't assume Bird will get hurt again, and Billy McKinney played 1B in the AFL (and pretty well from what the stats show).
but, yes, I thought Headley would play out the final year of his deal in pinstripes after he proved proficient at first base. Having a vet to protect Torres, Andujar and Bird at the corners is important, and I'd imagine one will be added.
Rumors today that Manny Machado is on the trade market. He might get traded- might not. Word is that regardless, he wants to move back to SS.
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
RE: Just an interesting thought for NEXT offseason
Rumors today that Manny Machado is on the trade market. He might get traded- might not. Word is that regardless, he wants to move back to SS.
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
Why do this when Didi is getting better every year? This is not fantasy baseball. A well liked 25 HR shortstop who is getting better does not need to be replaced.
There is no question that Didi is a good to very good SS- but he is not, nor will he be, a star.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.
No doubt. Lately seems like the rest of them are playing checkers while Cashman is playing chess.
And I agree, Headley handled himself like a pro. Maddeningly streaky, but delivered some big hits, and got hot at the right time in the playoffs this year.
He did decline sharply as a fielder...was pretty sound at 3B when we first traded for him, but the last couple seasons he was Edward scissorhands
Im cool with bringing Frazier or any vet in for leadership and to play 3B, as long as whoever it is knows theyre just keeping it warm for Andujar or maybe Machado next year.
I have to think this means they want to re-sign Frazier, maybe for 10 million or so if possible. It's a little less than what he has made the past few seasons but that's a 3 million savings over Headley which is no joke when they're kind of imposing a cap upon themselves this year. I wouldn't feel comfortable with Andujar and Wade/Torres manning both 3B and 2B. Can't just hand multiple spots to rookies like that. And Frazier was a major leadership presence for the team.
I also can't see them putting pretty much all of that money towards an arm in free agency. Can't say I'd be that excited about Alex Cobb.
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Ellsbury No trade clause is the issue and apparently he isnt interested in leaving..
Frazier has "only" made $25 million in his career so far. This might be he last chance to to sign a big contract. I think he chases the money.
I didn't even realize that. For some reason, I was under the impression that he'd been in the Majors for a much longer time. I guess he looks older than he actually is.
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Ellsbury No trade clause is the issue and apparently he isnt interested in leaving..
don't forget the $67 million he's owed over 3 years.
I still can't believe Cashman gave him that contract.
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Ellsbury No trade clause is the issue and apparently he isnt interested in leaving..
I understand that. It was in jest.
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Probably remote. I can think of about 28 other teams the Os would rather trade Machado to than the Yankees.
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That this is a precursor to a trade for Machado? I figure remote, but were allowed to dream, arent we?
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Probably remote. I can think of about 28 other teams the Os would rather trade Machado to than the Yankees.
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Supposedly Machado wants to go back to shortstop, which wouldn't happen here. Besides, I would assume that the cost in prospects would be enormous.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather bring back Todd Frazier than gut the system for Machado, even if it means that Machado ends up getting traded elsewhere and staying there.
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hometown discount.
Frazier has "only" made $25 million in his career so far. This might be he last chance to to sign a big contract. I think he chases the money.
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That this is a precursor to a trade for Machado? I figure remote, but were allowed to dream, arent we?
Maybe they use some of the young guys as trade chips for a starting pitcher and ultimately replace Headley, Frazier and CCs salary with what Machado will ultimately collect next year under a new contract.
Supposedly Machado wants to go back to shortstop, which wouldn't happen here. Besides, I would assume that the cost in prospects would be enormous.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather bring back Todd Frazier than gut the system for Machado, even if it means that Machado ends up getting traded elsewhere and staying there.
I'm with you.
Good luck to him, seemed like a good dude.
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Also, remember, the Headley deal is just a prelude. More coming from the #Yankees, and probably soon.
Question on the trades we've made. For our 40 man, it seems as if we've opened up at least one spot, added Stanton and Blash, and subtracted Castro, Headley and Mitchell.
Can we now add a player to the 40 to avoid exposing him to the rule 5, or has that deadline passed? I know there were a few lower minor guys that looked like they could be picked.
Mitchell is not a bum. He has above average stiff and still has time on his side to put it all together. There's upside in this trade for for the Padres.
Thank you. Thought that was the case.
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Stanton: +$22,000,000 (approx)
Castro: -$8,571,429
Headley: -$13,000,000
Blash: +$535,000
Mitchell: -$550,625
So Yankees add Gincarlo Stanton, and their luxury tax number only increases around $413,000
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Thank you. Thought that was the case.
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Stanton: +$22,000,000 (approx)
Castro: -$8,571,429
Headley: -$13,000,000
Blash: +$535,000
Mitchell: -$550,625
So Yankees add Gincarlo Stanton, and their luxury tax number only increases around $413,000
I'm not sure if that's accurate - the Marlins cash contribution is reportedly not due unless/until Stanton's opt-out lapses. So he's on the books for $25MM in each of the next three seasons, then ~$20.7MM for the remaining seven seasons if he does not opt out.
So possibly $26 million til they hit the tax threshold.
Thanks Chase
Imo it's Andujar at 3B, Torres up in may as insurance or to play 2B and take Toes slot or Wades
Sorry I meant insurance at 3B incase Andujar Craps the bed in the field
When he comes up he's the starter I agree. At 2B
Thanks Chase
Imo it's Andujar at 3B, Torres up in may as insurance or to play 2B and take Toes slot or Wades
Cooper has been traded to the Marlins a few weeks ago in exchange for $250k in international bonus money.
Try not to be jealous that it is a Mets town.
Not going with Moustakas with Andujar/Torres & Machado in the horizon.
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I also wasn't big on dumping Headley. When he's on, he's a huge difference maker at the plate. He's also a solid backup at the corners. I understand wanting the money though. I see this as a prelude to something bigger, so I'm reserving judgment. Cashman hasn't let us down in a while.
I liked how Headley could play 1/3 and switch hit.
I don't like banking on Bird to stay healthy; and the left side of the infield aside from Didi is uncertain.
If we sign Frazier, his defense is average, he bats righty, and how much do we actually save?
I'm fine with moving on from Headley (who I liked). Yes, he could play both 1/3, but he is below average defensively at both. Frazier is definitely better defensively at 3B. Yes, Headley can switch hit but he was really streaky - Frazier may not be quite as versatile offensively but he battles and is not much of a drop-off, if any, from Headley. Plus - we save $13M that can go for another position of need (SP?). And Headley was older and in the last year of his contract ... time to move on. Can't assume Bird will get hurt again, and Billy McKinney played 1B in the AFL (and pretty well from what the stats show).
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
I think that there is a high chance that he gets to FA. He could ask for the moon and get it there, rather than negotiating against himself with a single team.
Suppose he gets to FA. The Yanks COULD pursue Machado as a SS- and still stay below the luxury tax mark. Here is how.
Let's say that the Yanks sign Machado to a HUGE deal- let's say 10 years $330M ($33M for luxury tax purposes).
Didi is a FA after the 2019 season. Didi will also get about $9M in arbitration this season- and another good season should put him in line for at least $13-14M in 2019.
The Yanks could probably find someone willing to take Didi fairly readily (and get some good prospects back, while passing on the at least $13M in salary).
Brett Gardner also hits FA, and takes his $13M luxury tax hit with him. Warren will be a FA and likely take his about $5M luxury tax hit with him.
Add in that the Yanks will be dropping the remaining luxury tax hit for the $5.5M they are paying McCann in 2018.
Just adding Didi + Gardner + Warren's numbers (13 + 13 + 5 + 5.5 = 36.5)- the Yanks would essentially "break even" on Machado's luxury tax hit, and maybe come in a little ahead.
Add in that you would almost certainly have guys on minimum salary deals at C, 2B, 3B, and RF.
The Yanks would ALSO be dropping DRob's luxury tax hit of $11.5M, which would eat up most of the increase in arbitration salaries that Hicks, Grey, Betances, Severino and Bird would get in arbitration- and the Yanks would remain well BELOW the luxury tax line despite have both Machado, Stanton, Chapman, Tanaka and Ellsbury on the roster.
Rather incredible when you think about it.
Why do this when Didi is getting better every year? This is not fantasy baseball. A well liked 25 HR shortstop who is getting better does not need to be replaced.
Didi has OBP problems. While he can hit the occasional (and well-timed) HR, he is pretty much all or nothing as a hitter. His career OBP is .313.- and he had a .318 OBP last year. His SLG last year was a career high at .478. His defense was very good. With that said, he had 25 walks in 534 ABs. He has an OPS+ of 106- his first season over 100.
People should also note that Didi will be 28 in February.
Manny Machado doesn't even turn 26 until July 6. That makes him almost two and a half years YOUNGER than Didi.
Manny had his worst offensive season of his career last year- mostly due to a terrible BA of .259- and still had an OPS+ of 107. The three preceding seasons he had 110, 132 and 130. Manny's OBP was .310- a career low- as his career OBP is .329. His SLG was .471- following seasons of .502 and .533.
In other words, Machado- who is younger and still has not hit his prime has consistently been better than Didi- who is in his prime and will reach FA at the age of 30- not exactly when you want to give out a long term deal.