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M.S. : 12/12/2017 11:42 am
...has the Giants selecting QB Baker Mayfield, University of Oklahoma with the second pick. (That's after Cleveland plays it safe with Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA at #1).

Also shows Buffalo making a big move up into San Fran's 4th slot (surrendering the 18th and 21st selections in the first round, as well as a second rounder) in order to take Sam Darnold, QB, USC.

Also, Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville at #11 to the Jets and Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming at #12 to Arizona.

So, all in all, 5 QBs with the first 12 selections.


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Interesting, that was the prediction after last draft  
ZogZerg : 12/12/2017 11:45 am : link
that 5 QBs would go in the first round in 2018
i can't see  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/12/2017 11:50 am : link
The Giants looking to Mayfield.

Nothing against the kid and I think a lot of the negative stuff about him is blown way out of proportion but I think the Giants are going to try to find their new Eli, a true pro's pro. Someone boring and all about the football.

Personally I think their dream may just be Darnold, high floor and high ceiling, and I agree he is the big get in this draft, but that is just my opinion.
These things  
lugnut : 12/12/2017 11:52 am : link
are always interesting/amusing to see, but...

No way we take Mayfield over Darnold.

I live near DET -- with Lions years-long pathetic run game, the idea they'd take a Center in the first round before the Stanford RB (Bryce Love?) is insane.
But,  
Doomster : 12/12/2017 11:53 am : link
would it surprise anyone if Cleveland took Mayfield?
I  
AcidTest : 12/12/2017 11:54 am : link
don't see the Giants passing on Darnold for Mayfield, even with a new GM. Aside from just being 6'1", there are character issues. After this season, and picking that high, the Giants will want an absolutely clean player.

The Broncos will take Josh Allen. They need a QB as much as the Giants. Paxton Lynch is not the answer.
bhaha that would be something  
gtt350 : 12/12/2017 11:55 am : link
.
I can only imagine  
Beer Man : 12/12/2017 11:59 am : link
What the TD celebration would look like if he hooked up with Engram in the end zone. 😱
One more thing....  
Doomster : 12/12/2017 11:59 am : link
I don't know what it is about Mayfield, but when I watch him, he looks like a clone of Manziel/Tebow......
I cant wait to read Sy and Dave TE's complete write ups  
superspynyg : 12/12/2017 12:02 pm : link
as well as see all the data and write ups on these qb's. THe combine will be fun to watch as well.
i already posted this elsewhere  
ECham : 12/12/2017 12:05 pm : link
but watch for Josh Allen from Wyoming to become a name before Mayfield
RE: One more thing....  
section125 : 12/12/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13737295 Doomster said:
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I don't know what it is about Mayfield, but when I watch him, he looks like a clone of Manziel/Tebow......


?? Manziel a squirrely 6 ft 188 and Tebow 6'4" 250 lb. Which one is he cloned too...?
I'd be blown away if the Giants passed on Darnold  
Go Terps : 12/12/2017 12:22 pm : link
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RE: i already posted this elsewhere  
gmen9892 : 12/12/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13737313 ECham said:
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but watch for Josh Allen from Wyoming to become a name before Mayfield


Wonder how much this season will hurt Allen, as he looked terrible when healthy, and was hurt late. The offense as a whole has been largely bad. I know he has all the measureables, but it worries me that hes never really played in a big time game or put up great numbers in a bad league.
I think the Giants will have Darnold  
Jay on the Island : 12/12/2017 12:46 pm : link
Ranked first on their board. If he is there I would be stunned if they passed.
There's something about Darnold's wind-up...  
M.S. : 12/12/2017 12:59 pm : link

...that drives me a little crazy.

The good news is he appears to get the ball out pretty quickly, but he looks like an MLB pitcher on the mound, winding up.

Oh, well... maybe I'm being over-critical about the playmaker from USC.

ps Baker Mayfield will be a Top 10 Draft pick. At least. More likely a Top 5. Depend upon it.
RE: There's something about Darnold's wind-up...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/12/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13737438 M.S. said:
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...that drives me a little crazy.

The good news is he appears to get the ball out pretty quickly, but he looks like an MLB pitcher on the mound, winding up.

Oh, well... maybe I'm being over-critical about the playmaker from USC.

ps Baker Mayfield will be a Top 10 Draft pick. At least. More likely a Top 5. Depend upon it.


I watched the ESPN sports science piece on Darnold and they had his reaction time as off the charts.
RE: I think the Giants will have Darnold  
JonC : 12/12/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13737403 Jay on the Island said:
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Ranked first on their board. If he is there I would be stunned if they passed.


Agreed.
Darnold Sports Science Vid  
LeftHook : 12/12/2017 1:19 pm : link
https://youtu.be/POYSw431X0E
Based On Nothing  
Bernie : 12/12/2017 1:29 pm : link
I think the Giants will rank them:

1. Darnold
2. Mayfield
3. Rosen
4. Allen
5. Jackson
RE: Based On Nothing  
ajr2456 : 12/12/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13737509 Bernie said:
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I think the Giants will rank them:

1. Darnold
2. Mayfield
3. Rosen
4. Allen
5. Jackson


If Allen is in the top 5 of their QB choices we made some bad hires. The guy hasn't produced in college. A major red flag
Allen may have the highest ceiling  
jc in c-ville : 12/12/2017 1:52 pm : link
And much like Simms, they're forecasting his skill set at the NFL level as opposed to how many wins he had in college.

Wentz came from a similar program at NDST where the competition was on par with Wyoming.

RE: Allen may have the highest ceiling  
ajr2456 : 12/12/2017 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13737568 jc in c-ville said:
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And much like Simms, they're forecasting his skill set at the NFL level as opposed to how many wins he had in college.

Wentz came from a similar program at NDST where the competition was on par with Wyoming.


Wentz has as many yards in 7 games his senior year as Allen has in 10. With more TDS and less INTs.

Allen might have all the physical tools but he’s a major project when it comes to being an NFL QB. There’s a very good possibility he’s not one.
If Darnold comes out, then he should be the guy.....  
Simms11 : 12/12/2017 2:34 pm : link
The Giants can't screw around with this pick. Mayfield is a great College QB, but his projection to the pros is hit and miss. Darnold is a competitor and has the necessary mobility and skills to succeed. Rosen is very skilled, but you'd have to question his fire/desire and competiveness.
RE: If Darnold comes out, then he should be the guy.....  
81_Great_Dane : 12/12/2017 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13737651 Simms11 said:
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The Giants can't screw around with this pick. Mayfield is a great College QB, but his projection to the pros is hit and miss. Darnold is a competitor and has the necessary mobility and skills to succeed. Rosen is very skilled, but you'd have to question his fire/desire and competiveness.
I basically agree, but why do you "have to question" Rosen's desire and competitiveness?
RE: RE: If Darnold comes out, then he should be the guy.....  
Simms11 : 12/12/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13737698 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 13737651 Simms11 said:


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The Giants can't screw around with this pick. Mayfield is a great College QB, but his projection to the pros is hit and miss. Darnold is a competitor and has the necessary mobility and skills to succeed. Rosen is very skilled, but you'd have to question his fire/desire and competiveness.

I basically agree, but why do you "have to question" Rosen's desire and competitiveness?


Just my impression. His desire to play the game has been brought into question before. There's no denying his talent, just question the intangible of competiveness. Hey, I could be totally wrong.
...  
BleedBlue : 12/12/2017 3:30 pm : link
Sam Darnold no matter what.
RE: I'd be blown away if the Giants passed on Darnold  
barens : 12/12/2017 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13737347 Go Terps said:
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Me too.
When does Rosen pull the Eli  
David B. : 12/12/2017 5:52 pm : link
and say he's not playing for the Browns?
RE: I think the Giants will have Darnold  
Optimus-NY : 12/12/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13737403 Jay on the Island said:
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Ranked first on their board. If he is there I would be stunned if they passed.


I agree. I think he's there guy.
Darnold and Rosen kind of like  
David B. : 12/12/2017 6:24 pm : link
Favre and Aikman stylistically.
RE: RE: Allen may have the highest ceiling  
montanagiant : 12/12/2017 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13737579 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13737568 jc in c-ville said:


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And much like Simms, they're forecasting his skill set at the NFL level as opposed to how many wins he had in college.

Wentz came from a similar program at NDST where the competition was on par with Wyoming.




Wentz has as many yards in 7 games his senior year as Allen has in 10. With more TDS and less INTs.

Allen might have all the physical tools but he’s a major project when it comes to being an NFL QB. There’s a very good possibility he’s not one.

He also had a much better set of players around him with a decent running game and a good Defense and an easier schedule
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Meaning Wentz  
montanagiant : 12/12/2017 6:48 pm : link
Not Allen
The best part of this mock  
Diver_Down : 12/12/2017 7:03 pm : link
is Philly picking 31. A crushing defeat in the SuperBowl would be awesome.
RE: I think the Giants will have Darnold  
TyreeHelmet : 12/13/2017 8:45 am : link
In comment 13737403 Jay on the Island said:
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Ranked first on their board. If he is there I would be stunned if they passed.


This
I don't know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/13/2017 9:08 am : link
how they are ranked, but I really doubt this is the order:

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Based On Nothing
Bernie : 12/12/2017 1:29 pm : link : reply
I think the Giants will rank them:

1. Darnold
2. Mayfield
3. Rosen
4. Allen
5. Jackson


Rosen and Darnold would almost definitely be 1-2 in either order. And I'm not sure Mayfield is ahead of Jackson (or Allen). We're a team that likes to look at Wonderlic scores and character.

I'm pretty sure they will factor in a kid born and raised in Texas, playing in Oklahoma might not be the best fit for NYC, given the stories of his partying. If Manziel can get in trouble in cleveland - well you can figure it out from there.
RE: Darnold Sports Science Vid  
mrvax : 12/13/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13737492 LeftHook said:
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https://youtu.be/POYSw431X0E


Incredible.
Darnold will test as  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 12/15/2017 3:42 am : link
-having very small hands
-smells like cabbage
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