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Parcells 4 Rules for Drafting a Qb

BP in Delray : 12/12/2017 12:43 pm
This was from a few years ago, but thought it was interesting. Link below but here they are:

1. He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.

2. He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.

3. He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as “the guy” for some period of time.

4. He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games.
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Do those guys exist in college football anymore?  
Britt in VA : 12/12/2017 12:45 pm : link
?
Well, #3 would have eliminated Tom Brady...  
M.S. : 12/12/2017 12:50 pm : link

...arguably the greatest QB in NFL history.

I am almost certain Phil Simms failed #4  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2017 12:51 pm : link
Morehead State was a terrible team when he was there.
Mayfield  
BP in Delray : 12/12/2017 12:53 pm : link
checks off all four, I believe. Unless he isn't on track to graduate.
RE: I am almost certain Phil Simms failed #4  
Gman11 : 12/12/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13737415 Greg from LI said:
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Morehead State was a terrible team when he was there.


Simms was there before Parcells took over.
Under these conditions you'd never draft a QB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/12/2017 12:57 pm : link
Or you would overdraft a bad one. You can't apply rules considered when college was a wildly different game than it is now.
RE: I am almost certain Phil Simms failed #4  
njm : 12/12/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13737415 Greg from LI said:
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Morehead State was a terrible team when he was there.


Also a shorter schedule, 10 or 11 games as opposed to 12.
I Think  
Bernie : 12/12/2017 1:07 pm : link
#3 is the most important. The more they play, the more situations they will have been in. And realistically, if they hit #3, they probably will check the box on 1 & 2.
This explains  
pjcas18 : 12/12/2017 1:23 pm : link
stuff like Chad Henne and Pat White.

he drafted one QB who had any measure of success while a coach or GM/exec and it was Bledsoe with the #1 overall pick and he complained during that HC stint they weren't letting him shop for the groceries so not sure he was even responsible for that pick or to what extent.

RE: Well, #3 would have eliminated Tom Brady...  
Giants_West : 12/12/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13737412 M.S. said:
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...arguably the greatest QB in NFL history.


Joe Montana as well I believe
I'd rather  
Mark C : 12/12/2017 1:35 pm : link
trust Parcells to draft me a LB.
RE: This explains  
Rjanyg : 12/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13737500 pjcas18 said:
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stuff like Chad Henne and Pat White.

he drafted one QB who had any measure of success while a coach or GM/exec and it was Bledsoe with the #1 overall pick and he complained during that HC stint they weren't letting him shop for the groceries so not sure he was even responsible for that pick or to what extent.


How does Hostetler measure up to these requirements?
Brady was a 6th round pick, not a top 5, so a little perspective.  
Victor in CT : 12/12/2017 1:41 pm : link
Montana started 7 games in 1975, missed all of 1976 with an injury, started 9 in 1977, 11 in 1978. And was a 3rd round pick, not a top 5 pick.

When Parcells drafted Bledsoe # 1 overall it was all him. James Orthwein owned the team then, not Kraft. The "groceries" quote came after Kraft owned the team and they forced him to take Terry Glenn. He wanted to trade down and take Tony Brackens, who became a damn good DE with JAX.
RE: I am almost certain Phil Simms failed #4  
Matt M. : 12/12/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13737415 Greg from LI said:
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Morehead State was a terrible team when he was there.
He didn't even come close. I don't think they won double digit games combined while he was there.
Which QBs did Parcells actually draft  
David B. : 12/12/2017 1:45 pm : link
as a GM?

It can't be a very impressive list.
RE: RE: This explains  
Matt M. : 12/12/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13737540 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 13737500 pjcas18 said:


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stuff like Chad Henne and Pat White.

he drafted one QB who had any measure of success while a coach or GM/exec and it was Bledsoe with the #1 overall pick and he complained during that HC stint they weren't letting him shop for the groceries so not sure he was even responsible for that pick or to what extent.




How does Hostetler measure up to these requirements?
I think he's talking about a first round QB, as opposed to a late round flyer.
Davis Webb  
Pep22 : 12/12/2017 1:48 pm : link
checks off those boxes.
Very outdated  
UConn4523 : 12/12/2017 1:49 pm : link
it’s hard finding 2 of the 4 let alone all 4 at the same time.
Most college QBs  
ajr2456 : 12/12/2017 1:51 pm : link
Who are elite don't last more than three years at a school because there really is no point. The only exception is if they don't play until their senior season or transfer.
Davis Webb  
SLIM_ : 12/12/2017 1:51 pm : link
gets eliminated on #4.
RE: Which QBs did Parcells actually draft  
Victor in CT : 12/12/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13737552 David B. said:
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as a GM?

It can't be a very impressive list.


Bledsoe and Chad Pennington the 2 best. He developed Romo (along with Sean Payton) as UDFA from Eastern Illinois.
Obviously times and the game have changed  
old man : 12/12/2017 1:58 pm : link
But those are great fundamentals as the core of your selection.
I think you look at the track record firstly,especially with and without surrounding talent. That gives you a feel of what he can/ can't do both from in front or from behind.
Obviously beside the 4 are the intangibles.
He wasn't GM in NE  
David B. : 12/12/2017 2:17 pm : link
So he didn't draft Bledsoe. He was GM with the Jets so he did draft Pennington.
RE: He wasn't GM in NE  
pjcas18 : 12/12/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13737614 David B. said:
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So he didn't draft Bledsoe. He was GM with the Jets so he did draft Pennington.


As mentioned above, he was de facto GM in NE until Kraft bought the team and did draft Bledsoe.

Bill never understood that his criticism of  
RetroJint : 12/12/2017 2:27 pm : link
Cutler was not valid, although Cutler's career seems to vindicate him. "If he's so damn good, why didn't he win in college? " Because he played at Vanderbilt , where the best you can do is 6 wins.

Phil Simms played for "Homecoming opponent " Moorehead St. Then on the reverse side you had all the Florida quarterbacks who won for Spurrier. W-L record is relative .
Real Real #1...  
bw in dc : 12/12/2017 3:00 pm : link
avoid all Big 12 QBs.

That conference has a very shabby conference, especially if you throw at Aikman, who left for UCLA.
Pretty sure  
George : 12/12/2017 3:03 pm : link
that Dan Marino and John Elway and Eli Manning and Johnny Unitas played on mediocre college teams and did not attain the 23 win plateau.
RE: Pretty sure  
bw in dc : 12/12/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13737705 George said:
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that Dan Marino and John Elway and Eli Manning and Johnny Unitas played on mediocre college teams and did not attain the 23 win plateau.


Uh- Marino easily won over 23 games at Pitt. Probably between 30-35 as a starter.
I love me some Bill Parcells...  
BillKo : 12/12/2017 3:25 pm : link
but that's a dumb list.

It's why you don't make lists.......lol
Joe Montana did not start 3 years or win 23  
Vanzetti : 12/12/2017 3:35 pm : link
In fact, he was third on the depth chart going into his third season

Marino was a 4 year starter. Pitt was 42-6 in that time.  
Victor in CT : 12/12/2017 3:48 pm : link
11-1, 11-1, 11-1 and 9-3

Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*1979 Pitt Ind QB 12 130 222 58.6 1680 7.6 6.6 10 9 128.9
*1980 Pitt Ind QB 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7
*1981 Pitt Ind QB 12 226 380 59.5 2876 7.6 6.8 37 23 143.1
*1982 Pitt Ind QB 12 221 378 58.5 2432 6.4 4.6 17 23 115.2
Career Pitt 693 1204 57.6 8597 7.1 5.9 79 69 127.7
Can anyone name one QB Parcells drafted  
montanagiant : 12/12/2017 4:02 pm : link
That did anything?
RE: Can anyone name one QB Parcells drafted  
bw in dc : 12/12/2017 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13737827 montanagiant said:
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That did anything?


Romo
Bledsoe.  
Victor in CT : 12/12/2017 4:15 pm : link
for the 5th time. And Pennington wasn't bad either. Romo was a UDFA
RE: Bledsoe.  
bw in dc : 12/12/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13737855 Victor in CT said:
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for the 5th time. And Pennington wasn't bad either. Romo was a UDFA


Hoss won a SB. Credit to BP or GY?
RE: RE: Bledsoe.  
Victor in CT : 12/12/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13737907 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13737855 Victor in CT said:


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for the 5th time. And Pennington wasn't bad either. Romo was a UDFA



Hoss won a SB. Credit to BP or GY?


GY ran the draft. Bill had input, but GY made the final call.
Ridiculous today  
Marty866b : 12/12/2017 5:45 pm : link
Top quarterbacks except for a handful do not stay for their senior year.
Outdated  
Optimus-NY : 12/12/2017 6:23 pm : link
Bill doesn't know everything.
If the NFL wanted to promote social justice  
mdc1 : 12/12/2017 8:00 pm : link
as an agenda then they should make it a job requirement to have a college degree and to pass financial and criminal background checks like the rest of the corporate world. Since they have access to hire education, then the credential is important to obtain as Parcells alludes to.
Might straighten out guys like Hernandez and others from entering the league with negative baggage, criminal records and poor credentials.
The alternate reality...  
aka dbrny : 12/12/2017 9:40 pm : link
Bill Parcells' four simple rules about anything football related are, of course, trumped by Bill Parcells' four simple rules of dealing with the media:

1. Assume that they want to put no thought into much of anything, so boil every situation down to four simple rules...or fewer if you can put time and effort into doing so

2. Realize that because of rule (1) they have written five different variations of tomorrow's headlines today, and so the trick is just really leading them to the headline that they've already written

3. The demand for intelligent and meaningful news exceeds the actual supply of either, so feel free to create story lines that sound exciting, but have no actual bearing on reality

4. The press has convinced themselves that the role of the press is to comfort the afflicted while simultaneously afflicting the comforted...which means they are going to do nothing all day but dream up plausible but idiotic story lines to stir up garbage and pay sponsors...so when in doubt, send Pat Hanlon in to call it for what it is and set the record straight

RE: Which QBs did Parcells actually draft  
djstat : 12/12/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13737552 David B. said:
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as a GM?

It can't be a very impressive list.
Chad pennington, Chad Henne, Drew Bledsoe
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