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| 1 QB *Josh Rosen UCLA 6-3 210 4.9 - 2 QB *Sam Darnold USC 6-3 225 4.7 - 3 RB *Saquon Barkley Penn St 5-11 223 4.4 - 4 QB *Josh Allen Wyoming 6-5 230 4.7 - 5 CB *Minkah Fitzpatrick Alabama 6-0 201 4.5 - 6 ER *Arden Key LSU 6-5 232 4.7 - 7 S *Derwin James Florida St 6-2 213 4.5 - 8 DL Bradley Chubb North Carolina St 6-3 273 4.8 - 9 DL *Christian Wilkins Clemson 6-3 310 5.0 - 10 OL Mike McGlinchey Notre Dame 6-7 310 5.2 - 11 DL *DaRon Payne Alabama 6-2 308 5.3 - 12 OL *Orlando Brown Oklahoma 6-7 340 5.4 - 13 CB Tarvarus McFadden Florida St 6-1 198 4.4 - 14 OL Quenton Nelson Notre Dame 6-5 325 5.2 - 15 RB *Derrius Guice LSU 5-11 222 4.5 - 16 QB *Lamar Jackson Louisville 6-2 205 4.4 - |
A) YES! at the #2 guy....even though I'm a Mayfield guy since SD would be my #2 guy, but I'm also thinking under my premise,
B) that 8 through 15 group and maybe , trade down? Though it'd likely take 2 trades to get 2 in that range, and go 2 OL or 1 OL, 1 D.
Its nothing more than "measurables". He has a stronger Arm, is 4 inches taller and that's about it.
I have, and I do. Allen is the best pure thrower of a football I've seen since Rodgers.
Does he have downside? You bet. However, his upside is the biggest in this draft. He will kill it at the Combine.
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Watch Mayfield & Allen and say Allen is better or has a better chance to succeed. He literally does nothing better then Mayfield.
I have, and I do. Allen is the best pure thrower of a football I've seen since Rodgers.
Does he have downside? You bet. However, his upside is the biggest in this draft. He will kill it at the Combine.
in terms of a pure passer, give me rosen over allen. he is above and beyond the better pure passer. one of the better passers in the last 5 years or so. allen could be a sleeper but lets not say he is a better passer than rosen
Eli re structures contract to whatever cap rate is if he is cut.Or cut him
Use extra money on FA OL or LB/DL
Webb starts next year - let's see what he's got
Trade down , Buffalo has 2 1st round picks.
Draft OL/DL/LB.
There will be Franchise QB's available next year if Webb sucks. If Webb sucks, play Eli for last year.
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in terms of a pure passer, give me rosen over allen. he is above and beyond the better pure passer. one of the better pas
sers in the last 5 years or so. allen could be a sleeper but lets not say he is a better passer than rosen
Allen is not a sleeper. He's been on the radar since last year. The only issue with him is Wyoming and how depleted his team was this year.
Rosen is very gifted thrower of the ball - indeed. Much better mechanics at this point than Allen. But on his best day, Rosen can't touch Allen throwing a football. Allen is just a freak. Doesn't mean he's polished, but he's been given a gift from God in that right arm and it's very special...
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in terms of a pure passer, give me rosen over allen. he is above and beyond the better pure passer. one of the better pas
sers in the last 5 years or so. allen could be a sleeper but lets not say he is a better passer than rosen
Allen is not a sleeper. He's been on the radar since last year. The only issue with him is Wyoming and how depleted his team was this year.
Rosen is very gifted thrower of the ball - indeed. Much better mechanics at this point than Allen. But on his best day, Rosen can't touch Allen throwing a football. Allen is just a freak. Doesn't mean he's polished, but he's been given a gift from God in that right arm and it's very special...
very poetic of you. my guess is you are his cousin? lol
Projection. Scouts love him.
I will bet you a 12 pack M.O. that he ends up moving up that list come the combine
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Watch Mayfield & Allen and say Allen is better or has a better chance to succeed. He literally does nothing better then Mayfield.
I have, and I do. Allen is the best pure thrower of a football I've seen since Rodgers.
Does he have downside? You bet. However, his upside is the biggest in this draft. He will kill it at the Combine.
I hope they let him play in the Senior Bowl. He's the one I want the Giants to get
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Watch Mayfield & Allen and say Allen is better or has a better chance to succeed. He literally does nothing better then Mayfield.
I have, and I do. Allen is the best pure thrower of a football I've seen since Rodgers.
Does he have downside? You bet. However, his upside is the biggest in this draft. He will kill it at the Combine.
Unreal arm! Throwing on the run with amazing strength.
Plus he is huge. 6'5" 225 LB's and can run. Nice athleticism.
From what highlights I saw looks like he played out if Shotgun, Pistol and was under center.
Intriguing prospect.
Eli re structures contract to whatever cap rate is if he is cut.Or cut him
Use extra money on FA OL or LB/DL
Webb starts next year - let's see what he's got
Trade down , Buffalo has 2 1st round picks.
Draft OL/DL/LB.
There will be Franchise QB's available next year if Webb sucks. If Webb sucks, play Eli for last year.
i would do the opposite. draft a QB this year, our guy. we will then suck next year and can start the rebuild.
if we do it your way we may not suck next year and may go through a decade of not having a QB.
Allen could turn out to be a prospect like Cutler, Mayfield like Sanchez. We will have to see.
Legitimately might have the best arm I've ever seen. Ideal size and good mobility. Great throwing ability on the run.
The system and surrounding talent are huge reasons why his numbers don't impress.
He is raw and would benefit from a season or so of development under an offensive coach and experienced QB, but it's tough to turn down his absolutely massive upside.
I don't pretend to be a scout so there could easily be some fatal flaw that I'm overlooking. I've read about accuracy concerns but I honestly just don't really see it in the (admittedly limited) footage I've seen
It’s no wonder that Wyoming has been defeated, even in games where favored, while Allen has been shelved by injury. When Allen has played, Wyoming had overcome huge talent deficiencies and was challenging for the conference.
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On that list. Certainly not in the top 20.
I will bet you a 12 pack M.O. that he ends up moving up that list come the combine
I've no doubt Allen moves up after the combine. That's where he's going to make his money.
Drills, measurements and athletic projection, however doesn't make up for the lack of refinement or production.
Every single prospect in the draft is a projection. A ceiling and floor. No one knows how these kids will grow into their professions at the NFL level. What gives the pros a glimpse is how these kids performed in college.
Game tape/Athletic ability: Raw ability. Throwing mechanics. Footwork. Elite/unique skills? Did mechanics break down when flushed from the pocket.
Mental Makeup: What did the offensive system ask of the player and did he do his part in implementing the offense with reasonable success. How complex was the offense? Read progressions or one read and chuck? Did the player learn from mistakes. Did he show consistent growth. Did he elevate his game in crunch time. Coachability.
Production: Did he face top competition. How do his numbers compare to other prospects, both historically and among his contemporaries? This should include HS and College production.
Learning Curve: How long will it take our coaches to mold this kid into a viable starter.
There are simply too many question marks as relating to Allen for many of the above to consider him at our spot. He may one day be a fantastic QB. Maybe the best of this bunch. But we don't have the luxury to sit him for 3-4 years behind an entrenched starter to learn. Too high a bust chance.
I like Jackson a bit better simply because he brings a unique skill set that I think will pay dividends faster, but I don't like him at our spot either.
QBs that played with various different co-ordinators and coaches in college (Brady?) and still managed to get some W's, that's obviously a good clue about their mentality.
I might be in the minority here but I love Allen. I would select Darnold over him but if the Giants are on the clock with both Darnold and Rosen off the board then I think they would be wise to take a chance on Allen. Allen has the most impressive arm talent of any of the QB's. I realize that Allen is the biggest risk among the first round QB's but if he succeeds the Giants would have a potential HOF talent. With that said if Darnold or Allen are the pick they need to sit year one. Mentally they could both handle starting but they would be much better off sitting behind a veteran whether that is Eli, Josh McCown, Alex Smith, etc.
Josh Allen doesn't have those concerns as he is a hard worker who is a true leader. He reminds me of Roethlisberger with a stronger arm.
Josh Allen doesn't have those concerns as he is a hard worker who is a true leader.
p.s.--I'm not worried at all about Rosen's ego or leadership skills. His injuries are a concern, but as we've seen with Wentz, Watson, and Rodgers, the more mobile QBs get hurt too. QBs are a target and you can't expect any of them to be another Eli or Peyton when it comes to health. I think one or two years in an NFL weightlifting program while he watches Eli from the bench will help reduce the injury risk. He doesn't turn 21 until next year, so his body's own natural maturation will help as well. Unless something shows up on his physical, his injury history shouldn't count as anything more than a tie-breaker.
My preferred combo would be Barkley and then Lamar Jackson in the 2nd
The Giants may cut bait with Eli, save $10M in 2018 and get a veteran QB to start.
The accuracy is a concern but scouts do like his deep ball accuracy. He just needs to learn to take some heat off the shorter to intermediate range passes. He has displayed solid touch on those passes but has been inconsistent. It sounds like an issue with footwork that can be ironed out. From reports he is a very hard worker so in time he should be able to iron out these issues.
My main concern with Allen is his gunslinger mentality. He has too much confidence in his arm at times and will force passes he should throw away. I am reminded of what Janoris Jenkins said when he signed with the Giants. He said he felt that he had to gamble more on the Rams to try to overcome their lack of talent in order to help the team win but he didn't have to do that on the Giants. I have a feeling Allen forces these passes to make up for the lack of talent around him.
Tarvarus McFadden...CB, Florida St.
Josh Allen
Saquon Barkley
p.s.--Boylhart doesn't have Rosen's profile up yet, but he has said that he doesn't have a 1st round grade on him. Unless he changes his mind between now and then.
I have only seen 3 games of Josh Allen but I did watch every highlight video of his.
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JOSH ROSEN #3 QB UCLA 6’4/210 JR It certainly looks to me like the best arm talent and pro ready QB I have seen this season is ROSEN. And that is backed up by his performance in the annual rivalry match between UCLA and Southern Cal. IMO, this gave us a snapshot of ROSEN in an important game, against one of the Top 15 programs in the country. ROSEN stats pretty much speak for themselves in this contest. ROSEN was 32/52- 61.5%- 421 yards- 13.1 ypp- 3 TD- 1 Int. He drove his team up and down the field against a defense with seriously more talent than his offense. He was under constant pocket pressure as his OL was outmanned by the USC D. He showed good field vision, nice touch on his throws and excellent accuracy. Other than a handful of throws, he led his receivers expertly, hitting them in the hands, in full stride. This of course allowed his receivers to get considerable yards-after-catch since they seldom had to break stride to adjust to an errant ball. He was able to loft several long balls directly over the receivers’ shoulders. Though not the runner that SAM DARNOLD is, he was able to gain several first downs on occasion with his legs when his receivers appeared to be covered. He had a beautiful long ball throw in the first UCLA possession, which was called back on a penalty. His only glaring mistake on the evening was an Interception in the 3rd Quarter, in the Red Zone, when he forced a throw into coverage. I might add that his 61.5 completion percentage should have been closer to 67% given at least 4 drops that I counted. Just to put a bit of comparison on his pro potential to a recent top prospect, his game and skill set remind me of JARED GOFF/CAL, who has really blossomed in this his second NFL season. ROSEN looks to me like he has an incredibly high FBI for pro coaches to work with.
I watched that game and I was in awe of his talent. I don't think anybody is going to deny his talent.
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JOSH ROSEN #3 QB UCLA 6’4/210 JR It certainly looks to me like the best arm talent and pro ready QB I have seen this season is ROSEN. And that is backed up by his performance in the annual rivalry match between UCLA and Southern Cal. IMO, this gave us a snapshot of ROSEN in an important game, against one of the Top 15 programs in the country. ROSEN stats pretty much speak for themselves in this contest. ROSEN was 32/52- 61.5%- 421 yards- 13.1 ypp- 3 TD- 1 Int. He drove his team up and down the field against a defense with seriously more talent than his offense. He was under constant pocket pressure as his OL was outmanned by the USC D. He showed good field vision, nice touch on his throws and excellent accuracy. Other than a handful of throws, he led his receivers expertly, hitting them in the hands, in full stride. This of course allowed his receivers to get considerable yards-after-catch since they seldom had to break stride to adjust to an errant ball. He was able to loft several long balls directly over the receivers’ shoulders. Though not the runner that SAM DARNOLD is, he was able to gain several first downs on occasion with his legs when his receivers appeared to be covered. He had a beautiful long ball throw in the first UCLA possession, which was called back on a penalty. His only glaring mistake on the evening was an Interception in the 3rd Quarter, in the Red Zone, when he forced a throw into coverage. I might add that his 61.5 completion percentage should have been closer to 67% given at least 4 drops that I counted. Just to put a bit of comparison on his pro potential to a recent top prospect, his game and skill set remind me of JARED GOFF/CAL, who has really blossomed in this his second NFL season. ROSEN looks to me like he has an incredibly high FBI for pro coaches to work with.
That first to last sentence is really inaccurate. Goff is nowhere - not now or at Cal - the thrower and playmaker Darnold is on the scramble. By body type and skill, Darnold is more Luck.
Ah, I see said the blind man....thanks.