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Samiam : 12/12/2017 2:07 pm
I don’t watch that much college football but I did seevRutgers play Penn State and pretty much shut down Barkley. And this was a pretty ordinary Rutgers defense. It was the Penn State QB that broke the game open. I understand that Rutgers was determined to take away Barkley. Can someone who pays attention to the college game explain why Barkley is projected to go top 5?
Some think he's a transcendent talent  
JonC : 12/12/2017 2:09 pm : link
I don't see it. Good pro prospect but not going to be a top 5 pick in April, imo.
Love is going to be the better RB  
Canton : 12/12/2017 2:10 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 12/12/2017 2:14 pm : link
I'd need a guy as good as Bell or Gurley if I was going to take a RB as early as we're picking. I don't see that with Barkley.
by the time the Giants would have  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/12/2017 2:16 pm : link
an offensive line worth a shit, he'll be on his second contract.
Barkley has three games where he was held to a sub-3.0 YPC  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2017 2:16 pm : link
Compare that to a guy like Gurley, and the contrast is glaring. He's just not at that level.
Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
Overseer : 12/12/2017 2:20 pm : link
that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.
Not only did Rutgers scheme to take Barkley away...  
njm : 12/12/2017 2:21 pm : link
but the one part of their D that was B1G legit was their DL, particularly their DTs. I wouldn't draw to many judgements based on that game.
RE: Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
arcarsenal : 12/12/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13737619 Overseer said:
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that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.


If it makes you feel better, watch Gurley in 2016. He was woefully ineffective because their line was pitiful and they had no downfield pass attack.

We probably would have seen a lot more of that here than what we've seen from Gurley in 2015 and 2017.
That's true  
Overseer : 12/12/2017 2:29 pm : link
he sure looks awesome now, but no doubt it's in part due to better play around him.

It's also overall frustration about the Giants poor drafting strategy in recent years.
Ped State RB with a Top 5 pick??  
Victor in CT : 12/12/2017 2:29 pm : link
pass.
The apt comparison is Barry Sanders  
RetroJint : 12/12/2017 2:33 pm : link
Every run is like a punt return . Great talent . A great spot for him would be the Redskins . But, then again, maybe Detroit .
RE: Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
chuckydee9 : 12/12/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13737619 Overseer said:
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that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.


Think how good our offense would be with him and OBJ.. this is why you never draft for need.. drafts are for long term improvement of the team and should always be BPA.. Holes on a team should be filled with mediocre free agents..
RE: RE: Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
Britt in VA : 12/12/2017 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13737632 arcarsenal said:
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that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.



If it makes you feel better, watch Gurley in 2016. He was woefully ineffective because their line was pitiful and they had no downfield pass attack.

We probably would have seen a lot more of that here than what we've seen from Gurley in 2015 and 2017.


What doesn't make me feel better is that another Reese non move, Andrew Whitworth, was part of that turnaround.
Hes a great player. James Franklin did not know how to use him  
BLUATHRT : 12/12/2017 2:37 pm : link
properly. Stanfords O-Line is much better than Penn State's. Love is also a very good player, but I'd take Barkley all day over Love.
I'm not in the must take a QB crowd but  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/12/2017 2:37 pm : link
The pick is going to most likely be the 2nd
And a QB.

Even then I'd still go Chubb Nelson or Fitzpatrick over him.
RE: RE: Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
chuckydee9 : 12/12/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13737632 arcarsenal said:
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that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.



If it makes you feel better, watch Gurley in 2016. He was woefully ineffective because their line was pitiful and they had no downfield pass attack.

We probably would have seen a lot more of that here than what we've seen from Gurley in 2015 and 2017.


With OBJ and Eli in the lineup.. it would've never happened.. may be this year with OBJ injury they would focus on gurley alone.. but the last 2 would've been insane..
RE: RE: Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
TurdFurguson : 12/12/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13737658 chuckydee9 said:
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that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.



Think how good our offense would be with him and OBJ.. this is why you never draft for need.. drafts are for long term improvement of the team and should always be BPA.. Holes on a team should be filled with mediocre free agents..


Normally, I’d agree. But the extent you can avoid reaching and still draft for need is what we need. Based on where we’ve drafted the last 3/4 years, hard to argue we were reaching for anything outside of Eli Apple, which I would say wasn’t even a need.

This draft, if it’s not QB, then trade down and get more pieces. Didnt watch enough College to see if any of the names floated on the board are good enough to draft past the 1st or 2nd picks.
RE: Hes a great player. James Franklin did not know how to use him  
allstarjim : 12/12/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13737660 BLUATHRT said:
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properly. Stanfords O-Line is much better than Penn State's. Love is also a very good player, but I'd take Barkley all day over Love.


I agree. I am early in my study on these guys but Barkley really jumps off the screen. He has hands, vision, power, speed, and patience. When you watch Le'Veon Bell, you see incredible patience and then he turns on the juice and runs over guys, delivers an incredible stiff-arm, and gets all the extra yards after contact.

That's what I see with Barkley. One of the things that separates him from Love is his Bell-like patience. He also seems to have more power than Love, which makes sence to me as he's about 30 lbs bigger than love at 228 vs 196. I like my RB's right around 220-225 lbs. The fact that Barkley has tremendous speed to go with the size, and pass-catching ability, he's the entire package. So far, Love is a really good talent, but he's not anywhere in the same class as Barkley in terms of an NFL prospect.

What I like about Love is his speed of course, but his open field agility, he makes great cuts and has good vision. But what really jumps off the page when I watch Love is the size of the holes he gets. I could run for a thousand yards behind that Stanford line.
Barkley  
RAIN : 12/12/2017 3:05 pm : link
was game planned against, and if he's not on Penn State, they don't get close to replicating this years success for there program.

It seems like the Nittany Lions haven't played good team football to close out the season against big name teams and Barkley is trying to do too much.

Love isn't in the same type of back and will go later. Barkley is 230 and a feature back. Gurley is very good, but hasn't been asked to carry a team. Barkley makes things out of nothing, while having great receiving skills, and can pass block. He's a winner plain and simple, as well as a great citizen.

I take him over Gurley and any back drafted in the last ten years. I remain committed, because I know transcendent talent when I see it. The only thing that derail him being perennial pro bowler is injuries or a terrible, terrible team.

Penn State struggles to block. - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
chuckydee9 : 12/12/2017 3:13 pm : link
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that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.



Think how good our offense would be with him and OBJ.. this is why you never draft for need.. drafts are for long term improvement of the team and should always be BPA.. Holes on a team should be filled with mediocre free agents..



Normally, I’d agree. But the extent you can avoid reaching and still draft for need is what we need. Based on where we’ve drafted the last 3/4 years, hard to argue we were reaching for anything outside of Eli Apple, which I would say wasn’t even a need.

This draft, if it’s not QB, then trade down and get more pieces. Didnt watch enough College to see if any of the names floated on the board are good enough to draft past the 1st or 2nd picks.


I don't think there is one pre-draft ranking of college players that showed that Flowers was a top 10 player.. that was reach so was Eli Apple and to a much smaller extent Engram.. he was expected to go late first round.. probably 27 or later and we drafted him slightly early.. I am not sure about this but I also remember Pugh was also drafted earlier than most expected..
I’m a nd fan but made an effort to watch penn st games...  
outeiroj : 12/12/2017 3:19 pm : link
... because of Barkley. The comparison to love is a joke. Barkley has the ability to change direction in mid air similar to Reggie bush and just as fast as bush but he’s larger and considerably more powerful. His feet never stop moving. His o-line is putrid to boot. If he played behind Notre Dames o-line or even Stamford’s he would have easily won the heisman.

His closest pro comparison is Elliot from the cowboys but with way better ability to change directions. Any time he touches it, he can take it to the house.

The only reason Rutgers stopped them, was because they loaded the box on every play and the qb had no choice but to make some plays
RE: Some think he's a transcendent talent  
Stan in LA : 12/12/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13737593 JonC said:
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I don't see it. Good pro prospect but not going to be a top 5 pick in April, imo.


Don't see it either. The next tackle he breaks will be the first.
Earlier on this year  
gmen9892 : 12/12/2017 3:37 pm : link
I was a huge proponent of drafting Barkley if we had a Top 5 pick. I have since backed off of that for several reasons.

1) He seems to have been easily bottled up in several games this year.
2) Gallman has looked good while playing behind a crappy OL this year. He should be given a real shot next year. Has the ability to be a 3-down back with his pass catching ability.
3) This year's RB draft class is LOADED with a lot of depth.


Link - ( New Window )
RE: Barkley has three games where he was held to a sub-3.0 YPC  
Toth029 : 12/12/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13737613 Greg from LI said:
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Compare that to a guy like Gurley, and the contrast is glaring. He's just not at that level.
Gurley's career YPC is 4.1. Where is this glaring difference? Also PSU's QB is ass.
RE: RE: Some think he's a transcendent talent  
2cents : 12/12/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13737735 Stan in LA said:
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I don't see it. Good pro prospect but not going to be a top 5 pick in April, imo.



Don't see it either. The next tackle he breaks will be the first.


must not have seen a single highlight or play then, barkley IS a trancendent talent and is capable of things on the field that not many in the history of the game are. big powerful back, with incredible agility and burst.

PSU o-line and offensive scheme did not allow him to flourish, in the last two years i have not seen them take 1 snap with QB under center and they ran the same RPO inside run every time (sounds sort of familiar to our problems here).

He will get picked in the top 5 and he will be an ALL PRO.
RE: RE: RE: Some think he's a transcendent talent  
2cents : 12/12/2017 4:00 pm : link
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I don't see it. Good pro prospect but not going to be a top 5 pick in April, imo.



Don't see it either. The next tackle he breaks will be the first.



must not have seen a single highlight or play then, barkley IS a trancendent talent and is capable of things on the field that not many in the history of the game are. big powerful back, with incredible agility and burst.

PSU o-line and offensive scheme did not allow him to flourish, in the last two years i have not seen them take 1 snap with QB under center and they ran the same RPO inside run every time (sounds sort of familiar to our problems here).

He will get picked in the top 5 and he will be an ALL PRO.



got ahead of myself, a few more points:

barkley is versatile and never has to leave the field. He returns kicks (well) and catches out of the backfield (very well)

this dude is a serious game changer that teams will have to scheme against and constantly be aware of. The thought of having him Odell and Engram on the field at the same time will horrify defensive coordinators.
RE: RE: Barkley has three games where he was held to a sub-3.0 YPC  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13737805 Toth029 said:
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Gurley's career YPC is 4.1. Where is this glaring difference? Also PSU's QB is ass.


Talking about college. Gurley wasn't getting shut down by crap teams like Rutgers or Indiana. Barkley's been held below 3 yards a carry three times in twelve games this year - Gurley was only held to less than 4 a carry twice in 30 games at Georgia, both as a freshman (and one was 3.9 YPC). Barkley's run for more than 100 yards all of four times this year and two of those were against garbage teams (Akron and Nebraska).

Not saying he's a bad player, but he simply is not a top 5 pick. Not even close.
Love is straight line fast  
SHO'NUFF : 12/12/2017 4:20 pm : link
reminds me of the kid from Maryland that we drafted...

If you want a poor man's Barkley, look no further than SDSU's Rashad Penny. He can do it all, too.
RE: Watching Gurley on the Rams makes me puke  
njm : 12/12/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13737619 Overseer said:
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that was the no brainer BPA pick in that draft and Reese got cute with a blatant need pick reach.


Didn't Gurley tear an ACL in November of his last year at Georgia? I'm not so sure about "no brainer".

If you like  
Bill in TN : 12/12/2017 4:48 pm : link
what Alvin Kamara is doing at New Orleans, IMO Barkley will give you that and much more.
Regarding the Jints, ANY back drafted to run behind this shit show of an OL will not do well. Bryce Love would be a disaster.
RE: Barkley  
FStubbs : 12/12/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13737708 RAIN said:
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was game planned against, and if he's not on Penn State, they don't get close to replicating this years success for there program.

It seems like the Nittany Lions haven't played good team football to close out the season against big name teams and Barkley is trying to do too much.

Love isn't in the same type of back and will go later. Barkley is 230 and a feature back. Gurley is very good, but hasn't been asked to carry a team. Barkley makes things out of nothing, while having great receiving skills, and can pass block. He's a winner plain and simple, as well as a great citizen.

I take him over Gurley and any back drafted in the last ten years. I remain committed, because I know transcendent talent when I see it. The only thing that derail him being perennial pro bowler is injuries or a terrible, terrible team. Penn State struggles to block. - ( New Window )


Can he do it with defenders in his face as soon as he gets the handoff? Because that's what he'd have here.
The Ringer  
santacruzom : 12/12/2017 5:10 pm : link
wrote a good piece on him that explains a bunch. Granted, it was written in September which was prior to the not-so-great games he had, but something tells me they still would have written it had those games occurred first.
The Story of Saquon Barkley, Told Through 26 Defenders Who Failed to Tackle Him - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Barkley  
santacruzom : 12/12/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13737937 FStubbs said:
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Can he do it with defenders in his face as soon as he gets the handoff? Because that's what he'd have here.


Sometimes. He broke some stiff named Joey Bosa's ankles about .02 seconds after taking the handoff once.
I mean  
santacruzom : 12/12/2017 5:33 pm : link
all last year I kept reading about how Deshaun Watson wasn't worthy of a top-15 or even 1st round pick because of how he regressed in 2016 compared with previous seasons, and how he had some bad games.

Sometimes, the few bad games in a season don't really matter.
Barkley  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 12/12/2017 5:35 pm : link
will prove to be the best player in this draft. Minkah Fiztpatrick will be 1B.
RE: Barkley  
MarineMan : 12/12/2017 5:38 pm : link
They reached for David Wilson in the first, and he didn't last 2yrs. Yeah there are some that want the QB in the 1st. But, Barkley is a load of talent at a position on this team where each RB here could not be a starter anywhere else. A good RB can make things happen. This kid to me is better than Elliot for the Cowboys. Power, Speed, Catch out of the backfield. You would need a CB to cover him. He is a threat. A lot say go QB. You never know the Giants just might have that guy in Davis Webb and with Barkley there wont be a lot heat on the QB.
Saquon would be my pick  
Maineline : 12/12/2017 5:53 pm : link
I wanted A. Donald and Gurley who the Rams picked one slot after us. Draft and free agent sign a couple of players that excel at run blocking and Eli might be able to play another 2 or 3 years. We have been sorely lacking any runner that can take it to the house on any play so there is little respect for our run game.
Barkley  
Dragon : 12/12/2017 6:27 pm : link
Is not a sure bet but he is about right at the door nothing much missing from his accept games of real importance. Size, speed, receiving, return, not over used yet still won’t be 21 until next February.
From what I've seen of Barkley,  
TC : 12/12/2017 6:36 pm : link
he's likely to be a very good NFL RB, maybe special. But we'll have to wait for him to do it before we know for sure. The only thing drafting history teaches us about NFL prospects is you CAN'T know for certain how good they'll be until they do it.

I don't necessarily believe in BPA any longer. It has a cardinal fallacy.
RE: Ped State RB with a Top 5 pick??  
LS : 12/12/2017 7:09 pm : link
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pass.


Jackass.
RE: RE: RE: Barkley has three games where he was held to a sub-3.0 YPC  
LS : 12/12/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13737844 Greg from LI said:
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Gurley's career YPC is 4.1. Where is this glaring difference? Also PSU's QB is ass.



Talking about college. Gurley wasn't getting shut down by crap teams like Rutgers or Indiana. Barkley's been held below 3 yards a carry three times in twelve games this year - Gurley was only held to less than 4 a carry twice in 30 games at Georgia, both as a freshman (and one was 3.9 YPC). Barkley's run for more than 100 yards all of four times this year and two of those were against garbage teams (Akron and Nebraska).

Not saying he's a bad player, but he simply is not a top 5 pick. Not even close.

Was Gurley running behind Penn State's OL and in a RPO? None. Apples to oranges. Wait and see on Barkley, a lot of people will be eating crow on this one.
I wonder if Cleveland  
RAIN : 12/12/2017 7:32 pm : link
takes him. lol.
RE: RE: Some think he's a transcendent talent  
djm : 12/12/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13737735 Stan in LA said:
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I don't see it. Good pro prospect but not going to be a top 5 pick in April, imo.



Don't see it either. The next tackle he breaks will be the first.


Another gem from stan. Get that everyone? Barkley doesn't break tackles!


I count three on this run alone - ( New Window )
This might not work  
djm : 12/12/2017 7:41 pm : link
Trying to add a gif from my phone. Apologies if this fails.

RE: RE: Barkley  
Lionhart28 : 12/12/2017 7:52 pm : link
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was game planned against, and if he's not on Penn State, they don't get close to replicating this years success for there program.

It seems like the Nittany Lions haven't played good team football to close out the season against big name teams and Barkley is trying to do too much.

Love isn't in the same type of back and will go later. Barkley is 230 and a feature back. Gurley is very good, but hasn't been asked to carry a team. Barkley makes things out of nothing, while having great receiving skills, and can pass block. He's a winner plain and simple, as well as a great citizen.

I take him over Gurley and any back drafted in the last ten years. I remain committed, because I know transcendent talent when I see it. The only thing that derail him being perennial pro bowler is injuries or a terrible, terrible team. Penn State struggles to block. - ( New Window )



Can he do it with defenders in his face as soon as he gets the handoff? Because that's what he'd have here.


That's exactly what he's done for 3 years. PSU's offensive line is dreadful so I wouldn't just look at the numbers alone. Barkley is the best back to come out since Peterson, IMO.

If you want some fun film to watch, Iowa this year or the Rose Bowl.

Probably doesn't quite have the power of Gurley but is more explosive. Probably the closest current NFL comp.
RE: Love is going to be the better RB  
Breeze_94 : 12/13/2017 11:49 pm : link
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Love is like 190lbs. This is the NFL not the Pac 12. He won't be a 20 carry guy in the NFL with that frame. Maybe he could be a nice spark/change of pace guy due to his great speed, but not worthy of a 1st or 2nd rounder.

For a guy with 3rd down back/ scat back stature, he is not a productive receiver at all. Only 6 catches this entire season and that is in the same exact system that Christian McCaffrey thrived in as a receiver just last year.
Sony Michel  
Breeze_94 : 12/13/2017 11:55 pm : link
give me this guy in rd 3 or 4. NFL size/build with good speed, ELITE quickness/ cut ability, and nice hands. He is electric and explosive when he runs, and he will lower his shoulder too. He has the look of an NFL runner. I like him more than his backfield mate Nick Chubb.

I also like Marquez Carter from Grambling in the late rounds. He has some David Wilson to his game. Explosive player with speed who can return kicks and help in the passing game as well
I see the usual Penn State cultists have weighed in  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 12:30 am : link
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RE: RE: Some think he's a transcendent talent  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 6:13 am : link
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I don't see it. Good pro prospect but not going to be a top 5 pick in April, imo.



Don't see it either. The next tackle he breaks will be the first.

I think even LaVar Ball would tell you that your talent evaluation skills suck.
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 6:16 am : link
In comment 13737735 Stan in LA said:
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I don't see it. Good pro prospect but not going to be a top 5 pick in April, imo.



Don't see it either. The next tackle he breaks will be the first.

Do you actively go out of your way to be wrong?
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