NFT: Yankees express interest in Manny Machado

Cashman ain't f'in around!

wow this would be INSANE. he is a FA after this year, so im not sure i would do this. i would probably deal frazier for a SP and then worry about adding machado in FA after the season.

a loaded farm and are acquiring the likes Stanton and are in play for major upgrades.

Meanwhile, the Mets have question marks all over the major league roster, a depleted farm who's best prospect is a tubby, light hitting 1B and a 4th OF. Alderson is shedding payroll and has done virtually naught thus far, except to tell us that the team may or may not increase payroll once the shitty roster he's put together wins some games.

What a joke.

they sat on the sidelines for a few years when their team was aging but now they are back with a vengeance. However, I don't think he ends up here. The Angelos' detest the Yanks and there would be a massive "Yankee tax" on us in that deal. I think he ends up with the White Sox

but I don't want to part with Gleyber Torres to get him.

In comment 13738111 Modus Operandi said:

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a loaded farm and are acquiring the likes Stanton and are in play for major upgrades. Meanwhile, the Mets have question marks all over the major league roster, a depleted farm who's best prospect is a tubby, light hitting 1B and a 4th OF. Alderson is shedding payroll and has done virtually naught thus far, except to tell us that the team may or may not increase payroll once the shitty roster he's put together wins some games. You are actually blaming Alderson for this You don’t need to look any further than the fucking cheap owners named the Coupons What a joke.

Especially if Hal wants to stay under the luxury tax.

A major dynasty is set to reign for the next 4-5 years.

In comment 13738136 superspynyg said:

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Especially if Hal wants to stay under the luxury tax.

Might be a smokescreen, but Machado easily fits under the luxury tax threshold for 2018 as things stand now.

and eating it too

hitting.

They need pitching.

In comment 13738142 RAIN said:

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hitting. They need pitching.

this

I would make it contingent on him signing a long term deal. I wouldn't give up blue chip prospects when there is a chance it could be for a one year rental.

In comment 13738145 micky said:

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In comment 13738142 RAIN said: Quote: hitting. They need pitching. this

I disagree- I think the playoffs showed that the Yanks need to diversify their offense and get hitters that get on base at a high percentage, and still have enough power to change the game quickly.

Too many Yankee hitters in the ALCS were overmatched because their skill set was get a hit or get an out- walking or getting a HBP wasn't in their bag of tools.

Stanton is a step in the right direction, as was the removal of Castro and Headley (with the assumed addition of Torres and Andujar).

In comment 13738148 rich in DC said:

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In comment 13738145 micky said: Quote: In comment 13738142 RAIN said: Quote: hitting. They need pitching. this I disagree- I think the playoffs showed that the Yanks need to diversify their offense and get hitters that get on base at a high percentage, and still have enough power to change the game quickly. Too many Yankee hitters in the ALCS were overmatched because their skill set was get a hit or get an out- walking or getting a HBP wasn't in their bag of tools. Stanton is a step in the right direction, as was the removal of Castro and Headley (with the assumed addition of Torres and Andujar).

+1

How quickly we forget. We lost the ALCS because of offense not pitching.

In comment 13738139 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 13738136 superspynyg said: Quote: Especially if Hal wants to stay under the luxury tax. Might be a smokescreen, but Machado easily fits under the luxury tax threshold for 2018 as things stand now.

My guess is that they do not expect the O's to trade with them- Angelos would not be able to stand it if Machado got to take a ticker tape parade in the Canyon of Heroes.

I think the real intent here is to signal that they will be "all in" on him when he gets to FA next winter. I assume that Machado and his agent will see that too and refuse to sign an extension with anyone so they can use the Yanks to drive up the contract next winter.

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Have learned never to say never, but 3 people who would be involved for #Yankees #Orioles said either no way on a Machado trade or haven't heard that as a real possibility. Don't think this version of NYY would trade big prospects for player 1 yr from free agency.

In comment 13738154 rich in DC said:

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In comment 13738139 bigbluehoya said: Quote: In comment 13738136 superspynyg said: Quote: Especially if Hal wants to stay under the luxury tax. Might be a smokescreen, but Machado easily fits under the luxury tax threshold for 2018 as things stand now. My guess is that they do not expect the O's to trade with them- Angelos would not be able to stand it if Machado got to take a ticker tape parade in the Canyon of Heroes. I think the real intent here is to signal that they will be "all in" on him when he gets to FA next winter. I assume that Machado and his agent will see that too and refuse to sign an extension with anyone so they can use the Yanks to drive up the contract next winter.

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+1 I doubt the Os seriously consider the Yanks. Being down in the Baltimore area, they'd have to get more than I imagine Cash would be willing to pay. Either way, it'll be a very tough sell to the fans down here.

Pretty sure only the Steelers hate competes with the fan hate for the Yanks.

In comment 13738155 Beer Man said:

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According to Joel - Quote: Have learned never to say never, but 3 people who would be involved for #Yankees #Orioles said either no way on a Machado trade or haven't heard that as a real possibility. Don't think this version of NYY would trade big prospects for player 1 yr from free agency.

I think this is correct. Angelos has something personal against the Yanks. I believe that even if the Yanks somehow agreed to trade Torres, Frazier, Severino and Abreu to the O's for Machado, Angelos would veto it.

Again, I really think the intent by the Yanks is to signal that they will go after Machado hard in FA next winter, so don't go signing any extensions anywhere. I think his agent will see that and read the same.

Against the competition

they're just trying to up the price for whoever else is in on him.

In comment 13738166 illmatic said:

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they're just trying to up the price for whoever else is in on him.

So, they want a division rival to get a better return? How does that make any sense?

O's might be tempted

having CC replicate his run, at his age, with that knee is circumspect. Tanaka pitching as well as he did... with his elbow, is questionable. If you want Machado you'll have to trade from your Minor League pitching depth, which I would only use for a pitcher. I would assume it would take Sheffield and Adams plus to land Machado, without Torres. You would start with Sheffield, Adams, Frazier, and others.

I think Stanton completely changes the complexion of this lineup, addressing the need for hitting with the national league MVP is pretty impressive. Pitching is currently a weakness on our major league roster, and Free Agency is slim pickings.

In comment 13738176 RAIN said:

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having CC replicate his run, at his age, with that knee is circumspect. Tanaka pitching as well as he did... with his elbow, is questionable. If you want Machado you'll have to trade from your Minor League pitching depth, which I would only use for a pitcher. I would assume it would take Sheffield and Adams plus to land Machado, without Torres. You would start with Sheffield, Adams, Frazier, and others. I think Stanton completely changes the complexion of this lineup, addressing the need for hitting with the national league MVP is pretty impressive. Pitching is currently a weakness on our major league roster, and Free Agency is slim pickings.

On the other hand, I think Severino can be better yet.
Montgomery is at least adequate as a #4/#5 SP. I think the elbow issues with Tanaka are overblown- he has thrown over 400 innings since without much of a problem. If his elbow goes, it will be just like any other pitcher- which can be any minute. Remember Pineda? No problem until there was a problem.

I think Adams is about as ready as a young SP can be. German isn't far behind and Sheffield MIGHT be ready by September.

the guy I am really not sure about is Grey. Something just wasn't working for him last year. Was it nerves or something bigger? Personally, I am more in favor of using him and some prospects to get an even higher end SP with fewer question marks.

In comment 13738176 RAIN said:

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having CC replicate his run, at his age, with that knee is circumspect. Tanaka pitching as well as he did... with his elbow, is questionable. If you want Machado you'll have to trade from your Minor League pitching depth, which I would only use for a pitcher. I would assume it would take Sheffield and Adams plus to land Machado, without Torres. You would start with Sheffield, Adams, Frazier, and others. I think Stanton completely changes the complexion of this lineup, addressing the need for hitting with the national league MVP is pretty impressive. Pitching is currently a weakness on our major league roster, and Free Agency is slim pickings.

I agree with Rich that I doubt they'd trade for Machado, especially at that price (which I don't think is quite that high).

The Os waited too long to decide on Machado. They should have traded him earlier or tried to re-sign him earlier. Now, they can't expect too much for a 1 year rental.

I agree with your point that SP needs to be addressed. Just that I don't think it's as dire as your making it.

Sevy is a solid 1. Gray and Tanaka are solid at 2-3. If we can add another Tanaka/Gray level starter for a package of Frazier+ I'd do it. But, I suppose that depends on what they expect out of Sheffield and Adams.

He had no run support last year. If you can pencil him in for 3.5 ERA, I think he's worth planning around.

In comment 13738183 rich in DC said:

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In comment 13738176 RAIN said: the guy I am really not sure about is Grey. Something just wasn't working for him last year. Was it nerves or something bigger? Personally, I am more in favor of using him and some prospects to get an even higher end SP with fewer question marks.

I think his problem may have been Sanchez and the passed balls. Maybe he couldn't really snap off his breaking stuff thinking Sanchez would not get them blocked. May have been subconscious or it may have been right there. But you are right he never looked comfortable.

get a shot at making 3b his in spring training. I expect Torres to get every opportunity to win the 2b job, too.

...Pitching.

Can Manny Machado pitch?

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He had no run support last year. If you can pencil him in for 3.5 ERA, I think he's worth planning around.

I think his pace has something to do with that. For a pitcher with his reputation he was either really sharp or had absolutely no control. I hope the new staff works with him on tweaking some things and maybe picks up his pace a little.

In comment 13738165 spike said:

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Against the competition

That’s how I read this. I’m sure Cashman let the Orioles know he’s been willing to talk about Machado, but suspect this was planted to motivate other interested parties.

How about Frazier, Betances, Wade and either Sheffied, Tate or Adams?

Ken Rosenthal on MLB netwrok said the Orioles are looking for 2 cost controlled proven MLB Pitchers for Machado. That doesn't mean they are getting that obviously.

being an achilles heal for the Yankees. They had the best bullpen in baseball last season, probably will again in 2018, and if you've watched the playoffs for the past four or five years, it's clear that relief pitching is more important than starters in October. Plus, with the young guys coming up they have more than enough starting pitching to win in the postseason.

Not saying they should stand pat, but people need to relax with this narrative that improving the offense and defense= neglecting the pitching staff. Machado would be an absolute coup, an all-star third baseman for the Yankees for the next 10 years.

That said, I'm very dubious about paying the price that'd be required to rip him away from a division rival. If Cash somehow was able to get this guy on the cheap, there should be a special election to get him in the hall of fame in 2018.

The pitching was more than good enough to win. The bats came up short.

know if/when he's a FA the Yankees are ready to write a check. It actually could reduce the return the O's get for him since he's a 1 year rental with the Yankees ready to bid.

In comment 13738252 Greg from LI said:

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The pitching was more than good enough to win. The bats came up short.

Well, we just added Stanton, so I'm less worried about the hitting than our starting pitching, where, if one guy goes down we'd be really thin unless those AAA starters prove ready.

We're gonna add another bat, whether at 3B or 2B. But we need a 5th starter, and perhaps a 6th. And we can trade from BP strength and prospects to do that.

I'd really be quite alright with moving on from him, tbh. Not sure how convinced I am that he would have a similar season to this season, next year.

Think people are reading to much into this. The Yanks most always inquire on other teams f they no they are on the trading block. It doesn't hurt to ask. No way this happens.

In comment 13738407 mitch300 said:

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Think people are reading to much into this. The Yanks most always inquire on other teams f they no they are on the trading block. It doesn't hurt to ask. No way this happens.

Agreed...that’s what made the Stanton deal so amazing. Apparently Cashman told the Marlins a month ago he’d be open to talking about Stanton, but nobody had any clue they were involved until Friday

they'd stick to their plan instead of trading for big guys or signing big guys. It actually made me follow baseball again. I love the minor league development.

Yank fans hate that.

In comment 13738427 JesseS said:

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they'd stick to their plan instead of trading for big guys or signing big guys. It actually made me follow baseball again. I love the minor league development.

Actually, you are about to see a WHOLE lot of the minors this season- unless Cashman suddenly decides to trade the whole farm.

Torres will be the 2B sometime in the first half of the season. Andujar will become the 3B sometime in 2018. Adams MIGHT earn a rotation slot- unless CC comes back. The bullpen will Gardner becomes a FA at the end of the year- and Frazier can play LF.

This is a team in transition- but the Yanks like their stars too.

Hope they get the job. Also hope Wade progresses as a super Toe

Red thunder still has plenty of value to the NYY orginazation with Stanton/Judge DHing 75%+ games and Gardy a FA in 18 and Hicks not necessarily a certainty

a 2 year deal. Im sure he has been told they will only go year to year at this point. Would he preffer 2 for 18 or 1 for 10? Think he comes back at the yanks rate. Cant see him bouncing around the league at this point in his career.

Also think they should go after Profar as a buy low guy. Could be a great utility guy, switch hits and has played 3rd, SS, 2nd,1st,LF. Let him compete with Torres and Andujar and ack eveyone up.

Totally agree that the Orioles will not make this trade. The hate that team would feel from their fans seeing their young star walk back into Camden Yards and get big hits in a NY uni? I would say the word "devastating" would not be able to describe it. If he walks that's one thing, but trading him to NY, can't see Angelo doing it.

I do agree that this plays into going after Manny as an FA. And this is where the influence of Arod can't be discounted. I think Manny and Arod are very close-Miami guys. So Cash has an advocate to keep whispering in Manny's ear.

We can't wish one into existence. Fulmer, Cole, those are good players. Machado is a great player. Of course the Yankees should look to add him.

I just wonder about the cost, given his impending FA. You can't give up guys like Torres to get him when you can sign him in the next offseason.

said he wants to play SS again. FA after the season, I think I might pass on this one if they want top guys like Torres involved in the deal, which I think the Os would. Especially since they would have to face Macahdo 18 time a year.

In comment 13738655 Victor in CT said:

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said he wants to play SS again. FA after the season, I think I might pass on this one if they want top guys like Torres involved in the deal, which I think the Os would. Especially since they would have to face Macahdo 18 time a year.

My guess is that the endgame here is that the Yanks (and several other teams) are sending enough signs to Machado and his agent to make clear that there will be a STRONG bidding war next winter for him.

As such, I think that even if the O's reach a deal with someone, I believe Machado and his agent will hear out the extension proposal, but say no in the end because they know the FA market will get a LOT more.

Thus, I believe that the O's won't be able to get a deal done because few teams are going to be willing to make a trade with the assets the O's will require to deal without him agreeing to an extension.

I also agree with those who are saying the O's acted too late. When a player can sense FA and sense the interest, they aren't thinking about the team's best interests anymore.

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Yanks could full the bill but I would insist on a chance to negotiate an extension for Manny as a condition for the deal to go thru. Otherwise, Pass.

I'd offer CC a 1 yr deal with a club option for another based on performance. Otherwise, Pass.

I love what Cashman has been able to do so far. He's not giving away our best prospects to make deals. If he can't get what he wants at his price he moves on and the other GM's know it. A great negotiating position.

something like Adams and Chad Green for Machado. If I'm the Yanks, I'd be really tempted, but with only one-year of control I'd say pass.

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