So how did the browns make their hire so quickly given the requirements of the Rooney Rule?
Apparently, they began their "search" 6 weeks before firing Sachi. During that time, they were focused on Dorsey, but they also spoke with Marcellus Wiley (Bills). They never filed the paperwork notifying the NFL that this occurred as they wanted to keep their "search" off the radar. The reality is that they wanted Dorsey and hired Dorsey so quick only because we were reported to have expressed interest. If Jerry wasn't fired during the season, the Browns likely would have kept Sachi warming the chair until the end of the season when he would have been replaced with Dorsey. The Rooney Rule is a sham. The idea behind it to give opportunity to minorities, but the rule has been subverted where it is just a requirement that franchises have to fulfill in order to hire the person they originally would like.
The Rooney Rule is a sham. The idea behind it to give opportunity to minorities, but the rule has been subverted where it is just a requirement that franchises have to fulfill in order to hire the person they originally would like.
It's pretty obvious it's gettlemen
micky : 9:05 am : link : reply
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With the implicit meaning that it is bad. You keep acting as if hiring Gettleman would be bad simply because he's known and I can't for the fuck of me figure out why.
It's pretty obvious it's gettlemen
micky : 9:05 am : link : reply
matter of when announced
With the implicit meaning that it is bad. You keep acting as if hiring Gettleman would be bad simply because he's known and I can't for the fuck of me figure out why.
Fats, pay no mind to micky. He latches on idea and states it as fact, repeatedly. He'll bang that drum over and over until he is proven right in which case, he'll state that he called it like a Nostradamus. In cases where he is wrong, there is never an admission that he got it wrong. He just latches on to the next idea and bangs that drum. His most recent drum banging was that Ben and Jerry were not going to be fired and they were going to be here next year. He kept espousing this "fact" over and over even when it was abundantly clear that his statements were not based in reality.
a bunch of interviews for show, TC is our guy. However, I am curious what Gettleman can bring to the coaching solution? Anybody know? How did he get along with Rivera.
the TC hire was somewhat of a dissention with the braintrust and he wasn't the first choice?
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probably will play out like the TC hire
mdc1 : 9:33 am : link : reply
a bunch of interviews for show, TC is our guy. However, I am curious what Gettleman can bring to the coaching solution? Anybody know? How did he get along with Rivera.
As for how Gettleman got along with rivera, it seemed fine. They both are direct guys and Rivera was completely on board with the Norman decision - and as an added plus, the two collaborated on that decision.
Gettleman had one major screwup - looking at what to do with Olsen and Davis - Richardson's favorite players.
It's pretty obvious it's gettlemen
micky : 9:05 am : link : reply
matter of when announced
With the implicit meaning that it is bad. You keep acting as if hiring Gettleman would be bad simply because he's known and I can't for the fuck of me figure out why.
Gettleman isn’t a sexy enough pick for the drooling masses.
Gettleman really only makes sense if the are committing to Abrams Â
And that is not necessarily bad. After a 2 win season, we fans can feel like the Giants have to do something dramatic and clean house.
But that is not necessarily the case. McAdoo was an outsider with no connections to the organization and look how that worked out.
Giants know DG but he also went somewhere else and was a GM in another organization. The first time you run something you are going to make
Mistakes. As long as he learns from those mistakes, I think he is s sound choice
but it may be a smokescreen. Hiring Accorsi to consult is like hiring a biased referee...or bringing in 3 judges from the Eastern European block to judge a boxing match between a Russian and an American...in Russia.
the TC hire was somewhat of a dissention with the braintrust and he wasn't the first choice?
Accorsi full-out said in his book he didn't want Coughlin and would never have hired him. Coughlin was a Wellington decision.
He said nothing of the sort in his book.
Not sure if I read it in his book or saw it in an interview, but I remember Accorsi said that the initial interview with Coughlin did not go well, in his opinion, so he had some doubts. But more on the level of "this guy could be a positive for us if he can handle himself better in certain situations."
the TC hire was somewhat of a dissention with the braintrust and he wasn't the first choice?
Accorsi full-out said in his book he didn't want Coughlin and would never have hired him. Coughlin was a Wellington decision.
He said nothing of the sort in his book.
Not sure if I read it in his book or saw it in an interview, but I remember Accorsi said that the initial interview with Coughlin did not go well, in his opinion, so he had some doubts. But more on the level of "this guy could be a positive for us if he can handle himself better in certain situations."
Here's what he said in his book:
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"A number of coaches," Accorsi said, "including Schottenheimer, told me Coughlin was a bear to coach against. Marty said, 'You're probing all the time, you're changing all the time. You can't set a game plan for him. If something doesn't work, he's quick to try something else.' So when John Mara and I sat down with Coughlin at the Newark airport, he was the favorite."
They had streams of questions to put to him, but, pulling out a legal yellow pad, Coughlin asked if he could make an opening statement. Twenty-five minutes later, he was still filibustering. "It annoyed me, turned me off," Ernie said. "'When is this misery going to end' I thought. I was jusy about the scream 'Enough already!' when he finally stopped. Answering our questions, though, he was good. He fit the part: Jesuit-trained, smart, devout, winner, integrity, clean. I told John Mara later, 'He double-bogeyed the first hole but he still shot sixty-eight.'"
This part is odd to me: "He fit the part: Jesuit-trained, smart, devout, winner, integrity, clean."
why the fuck do the giants have an obsession with persons being "jesuit-trained" and "devout"? really bothers me. at least he didn't say "irish" and "has worked for the giants before"
This part is odd to me: "He fit the part: Jesuit-trained, smart, devout, winner, integrity, clean."
why the fuck do the giants have an obsession with persons being "jesuit-trained" and "devout"? really bothers me. at least he didn't say "irish" and "has worked for the giants before"
They love their Jesuits, so our next GM will be...
Agree. I can see both sides of the Gettleman case, but to rush that hire without taking the time to do a thorough search would be foolish
Just from the article, it struck me that there is no way Wolf is not the future GM in GB.
Apparently, they began their "search" 6 weeks before firing Sachi. During that time, they were focused on Dorsey, but they also spoke with Marcellus Wiley (Bills). They never filed the paperwork notifying the NFL that this occurred as they wanted to keep their "search" off the radar. The reality is that they wanted Dorsey and hired Dorsey so quick only because we were reported to have expressed interest. If Jerry wasn't fired during the season, the Browns likely would have kept Sachi warming the chair until the end of the season when he would have been replaced with Dorsey. The Rooney Rule is a sham. The idea behind it to give opportunity to minorities, but the rule has been subverted where it is just a requirement that franchises have to fulfill in order to hire the person they originally would like.
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The Rooney Rule is a sham. The idea behind it to give opportunity to minorities, but the rule has been subverted where it is just a requirement that franchises have to fulfill in order to hire the person they originally would like.
welcome to the real world
micky : 9:05 am : link : reply
matter of when announced
With the implicit meaning that it is bad. You keep acting as if hiring Gettleman would be bad simply because he's known and I can't for the fuck of me figure out why.
Yea, if they like Gettleman enough, they can certainly put him in place and line up Abrams behind him for further grooming.
But they can also just go out and hire a Wolf or Caserio type.
But these are the same fans that bashed Coughlin being retained after 2006. I trust the correct decisions will be made.
No, it's not.
Sheesh.
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It's pretty obvious it's gettlemen
micky : 9:05 am : link : reply
matter of when announced
With the implicit meaning that it is bad. You keep acting as if hiring Gettleman would be bad simply because he's known and I can't for the fuck of me figure out why.
Fats, pay no mind to micky. He latches on idea and states it as fact, repeatedly. He'll bang that drum over and over until he is proven right in which case, he'll state that he called it like a Nostradamus. In cases where he is wrong, there is never an admission that he got it wrong. He just latches on to the next idea and bangs that drum. His most recent drum banging was that Ben and Jerry were not going to be fired and they were going to be here next year. He kept espousing this "fact" over and over even when it was abundantly clear that his statements were not based in reality.
mdc1 : 9:33 am : link : reply
a bunch of interviews for show, TC is our guy. However, I am curious what Gettleman can bring to the coaching solution? Anybody know? How did he get along with Rivera.
As for how Gettleman got along with rivera, it seemed fine. They both are direct guys and Rivera was completely on board with the Norman decision - and as an added plus, the two collaborated on that decision.
Gettleman had one major screwup - looking at what to do with Olsen and Davis - Richardson's favorite players.
Weren't you whining everyday that Reese would never get fired
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It's pretty obvious it's gettlemen
micky : 9:05 am : link : reply
matter of when announced
With the implicit meaning that it is bad. You keep acting as if hiring Gettleman would be bad simply because he's known and I can't for the fuck of me figure out why.
Gettleman isn’t a sexy enough pick for the drooling masses.
But that is not necessarily the case. McAdoo was an outsider with no connections to the organization and look how that worked out.
Giants know DG but he also went somewhere else and was a GM in another organization. The first time you run something you are going to make
Mistakes. As long as he learns from those mistakes, I think he is s sound choice
Accorsi full-out said in his book he didn't want Coughlin and would never have hired him. Coughlin was a Wellington decision.
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the TC hire was somewhat of a dissention with the braintrust and he wasn't the first choice?
Accorsi full-out said in his book he didn't want Coughlin and would never have hired him. Coughlin was a Wellington decision.
He said nothing of the sort in his book.
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matter of when announced
Weren't you whining everyday that Reese would never get fired
Yeah - and that McAdoo wasn't losing his job either.
Now that both of them have, he's onto "Gettleman is obviously the guy" in all of these threads.
A bit tiresome - but oh well.
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the TC hire was somewhat of a dissention with the braintrust and he wasn't the first choice?
Accorsi full-out said in his book he didn't want Coughlin and would never have hired him. Coughlin was a Wellington decision.
He said nothing of the sort in his book.
Not sure if I read it in his book or saw it in an interview, but I remember Accorsi said that the initial interview with Coughlin did not go well, in his opinion, so he had some doubts. But more on the level of "this guy could be a positive for us if he can handle himself better in certain situations."
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In comment 13739093 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13738747 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the TC hire was somewhat of a dissention with the braintrust and he wasn't the first choice?
Accorsi full-out said in his book he didn't want Coughlin and would never have hired him. Coughlin was a Wellington decision.
He said nothing of the sort in his book.
Not sure if I read it in his book or saw it in an interview, but I remember Accorsi said that the initial interview with Coughlin did not go well, in his opinion, so he had some doubts. But more on the level of "this guy could be a positive for us if he can handle himself better in certain situations."
Here's what he said in his book:
They had streams of questions to put to him, but, pulling out a legal yellow pad, Coughlin asked if he could make an opening statement. Twenty-five minutes later, he was still filibustering. "It annoyed me, turned me off," Ernie said. "'When is this misery going to end' I thought. I was jusy about the scream 'Enough already!' when he finally stopped. Answering our questions, though, he was good. He fit the part: Jesuit-trained, smart, devout, winner, integrity, clean. I told John Mara later, 'He double-bogeyed the first hole but he still shot sixty-eight.'"
why the fuck do the giants have an obsession with persons being "jesuit-trained" and "devout"? really bothers me. at least he didn't say "irish" and "has worked for the giants before"
why the fuck do the giants have an obsession with persons being "jesuit-trained" and "devout"? really bothers me. at least he didn't say "irish" and "has worked for the giants before"
They love their Jesuits, so our next GM will be...
Popes Francis.
Lighten up.