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GMAN4LIFE : 12/13/2017 10:05 am
So… as many of you know, I have posted here several times about my struggles with anxiety. I was on meds for about 3 years and was feeling good but I gained weight from it. I mean a lot of weight. 30lbs to be exact. So what was helping me at the time was also making me depressed. Last year I made it a point to come off the meds. I wanted to get back to my weight that I had. This past September , I got down zero pills for the month. It was the time to come off completely. For 2 months I was fine and zero issues. It wasn’t until I got that tooth infection and I had to remove my molar. With that, I was given an antibiotic that enhanced my anxiety 10 fold. I was feeling off, shaky and at times afraid of getting sick. Anxiety came back. I had an instance where I was gonna have a panic attack. This past weekend, I had to have a come to jesus moment with myself. Do I go back on the meds, feel better, and gain weight. Or do I stay off the meds, continue to lose weight, and live a life of misery? My family was too important to me to be selfish. I went back. After speaking to my doc, I was given 5mgs of Lexapro(ecitalophram). Im on my 5th day of it and while I know the effects of the meds haven’t come on full blown, I am beginning to feel better and less like 2 weeks ago.

Why am I posting this here? I know that gaining weight can sometimes happen with these meds. According to the doc, there is a chemical in the medicine that does make you gain weight but at most 5 lbs. So I ask any of you who are on the medicine or any med for anxiety and depression, have you lost weight after gaining from the meds? I want to know that there is at least a chance to lose weight while on the meds.

Thanks and I appreciate any advice.
GMAN4LIFE...Ive had anxiety episodes as well  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 12/13/2017 10:08 am : link
and have taken Lorazepam as needed. What I found for me was aerobic exercise eased my anxiety more effectively than medication. A good brisk walk works wonders for me, especially outside. While not exactly answering your question, I wanted to touch base about it as it might help you feel better without meds and lose weight at same time.
Ummm  
mdthedream : 12/13/2017 10:10 am : link
just work out and keep even and not worry about the weight.
RE: GMAN4LIFE...Ive had anxiety episodes as well  
Mike from SI : 12/13/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13738800 Bold Ruler said:
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and have taken Lorazepam as needed. What I found for me was aerobic exercise eased my anxiety more effectively than medication. A good brisk walk works wonders for me, especially outside. While not exactly answering your question, I wanted to touch base about it as it might help you feel better without meds and lose weight at same time.


I also take Lorazepam as needed and it's effective for me. Still, please rely on a medical professional, obviously.
I’m no expert on this as I have never been on any meds for anything  
LatHarv83 : 12/13/2017 10:12 am : link
Outside of a temporary antic biotic here or there. But what I would say is that if you know taking this medication will slow your metabolism and make it easier to put on weight, you have to adjust your lifestyle accordingly to counter that. Be more active, eat better. To me 30 lbs seems like a preventable gain
This does not directly address the  
Bubba : 12/13/2017 10:23 am : link
issue but I assume you have seen a therapist. If not it might be a good idea. They are often helpful in teaching coping mechanisms that do not include meds.
Anxiety meds  
BlueinRoch : 12/13/2017 10:32 am : link
I used to take Lexipro and didn't like the side effects. About a year ago, my doc switched me to Buspirone. It works great with no side effects at all. Around the time I started taking it I also started exercising; walking, push ups, situps, nothing crazy, and I have lost 35 pounds. AND..if you are having any "bedroom" side effects, they will be gone too. I also meditate once in a while which really helps. Good luck Gman!
Lorazepam (and benzos in general) are a tricky thing.  
j_rud : 12/13/2017 11:01 am : link
Dangerous as well. They treat the symptoms very well but in no way address the underlying cause of the anxiety. Like a doctor I work with will tell patients: anxiety is like being in a car going 100 mph and you've never been behind the wheel. I can give you xanax to pump the brakes, but I'd rather teach you how to drive". They aren't intended for long term, regular use and the potential for addiction is very, very high. In addition, withdrawal from benzos is one of the only withdrawals that is potentially fatal (the other being alcohol).

There is no magic pill. Meds have their place but IMO work best as one part of a three pronged approach, with the other 2 being regular exercise and therapy. Exercise can not be understated. It's like a natural benzo. It releases neurotransmitters like dopamine, glutamine, and others which are naturally calming.

As it seems like you were doing well until the tooth issue this might be an isolated incident. Maybe you take the medication at a lower dose for a brief period, work out, and talk to someone.

Above all, talk to your doctor. It's not bad to reach out to people and venting to strangers on the internet can even be somewhat therapeutic. But if you're struggling you need medical advice.

Best of luck, take care of yourself.
I was put on Lexapro 2 years ago for anxiety/panic attacks.  
NorwoodWideRight : 12/13/2017 11:24 am : link
My panic attacks landed me in the E.R. twice. Lexapro did very little for me. Bad sexual side effects and it made me lose weight. I decided anti-anxiety meds weren't for me and I stupidly weaned myself off of them without seeing my Dr. Bad idea. Coming off of Lexapro was a nightmare. Eventually, I got back to semi-normal and started losing the weight I put on.

Then, out of the blue, more panic attacks, another 2 E.R. visits. Sigh. My doctor told me we can keep going around and around like this or I could agree to let him find something that works. He put me on a low dose of Paxil, which is supposed to have horrendous side effects. Strangely enough, this did the trick. No more panic attacks, feel great, no sexual side effects (if anything, it's been the reverse, I'm like a raging bull) and no weight gain.

To make a long story short, maybe you should talk to your Dr. about shifting meds.
Correction:  
NorwoodWideRight : 12/13/2017 11:25 am : link
Lexapro made me GAIN weight, not lose weight.
Meds should only be temporary so that you can learn how to deal  
idinkido : 12/13/2017 11:29 am : link
with your issues. Meds as a long time treatment can be dangerous especially when used with other medications. Besides that long term med use doesn't solve the problem just makes the symptoms more bearable. You need to find a way to look at the causes of your anxiety and learn techniques that help you avoid or at least reduce anxiety. Then you will not need the medication because you yourself will be in a different place, a better place, to deal with your issues. For you and your family's benefit you need to find that path to that better place.
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arcarsenal : 12/13/2017 11:42 am : link
j_rud has the best advice in this thread so far.

Medication absolutely helps people and serves a purpose - but the way to truly address anxiety is to work at understanding it and how to deal with it when you have episodes.

When most people feel anxiety coming on or think they're about to have a panic attack, their instinct is to recoil and find "safety" by getting out of wherever they are ASAP. Anxiety and panic make people tense up and we try to "fight" against it - it's akin to swimming against the current.

After a while, you essentially create neural pathways where you keep reinforcing to your mind that the way to get rid of anxiety is to run away from it.

It's important to get to the root of what you are most worried about when you have anxiety episodes so that you can address it.

For a lot of people, it's a loss of control that worries them most. They feel like they're "going crazy" or that they're going to enter some irreversible state. Others worry they're having a heart attack or that something is medically wrong with them, etc.

Most of the time, those who suffer from anxiety will find that there's actually nothing medically wrong - it just feels that way during attacks.

It's hard to do, but you want to find a way to make "friends" with your anxiety rather than treat it as an intruder. A therapist can help you with this - but there are definitely things you can do on your own that will help.

When you feel anxious, instead of getting caught up in it and letting yourself get into the mode where you're frantically trying to figure out the best way to get rid of it ASAP, try to just "let go" and relax yourself. Instead of gritting your teeth and clenching your muscles, just loosen yourself up, take a deep breath and focus on slowing your breathing a bit.

Eventually, you get to a point where you realize you've been through this countless times. Nothing "bad" ever happens. All of anxiety's fuel comes from within ourselves. Once you learn to stop fueling the fire and simply observe it and let it be there, you'll see that it dissipates faster and faster.

Anxiety is a normal human function. The goal should not be to avoid feeling it for the rest of your life. Everyone feels anxiety. The key is how you respond to it which is the difference between those who struggle and those who don't.

Going on and off of medications on your own can also be a slippery slope. Make sure you stick with your doctor when you're making decisions like that.

Lastly, diet and exercise. These both make tremendous differences in the way you feel. Make both of these things a priority.

Best of luck.
sorry you are going through this  
UConn4523 : 12/13/2017 11:45 am : link
what antibiotic were you on?
RE: sorry you are going through this  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/13/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13739010 UConn4523 said:
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what antibiotic were you on?


it was called something to the effect of Levaquin or something.
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arcarsenal : 12/13/2017 11:56 am : link
Also, look into L-Theanine.

I've been taking it for a couple years now. It relaxes you, but you stay focused. It doesn't make you drowsy, it's not habit forming and it's very safe.

It won't interact with anything you're taking, either.
as someone who  
UESBLUE : 12/13/2017 12:01 pm : link
has taken extensive classes as I have a few people very close with signif anxiety/depression problems i cannot stress how helpful cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) is. Visualization, rehearsal, mastery. As well, meds are tricky and can have many side effects. Work with your psychopharm and check in regularly as to effects. Again tho, greatest proven efficacy rate is cbt/meds combo. One without the other is just not the same.
and of course as stated above  
UESBLUE : 12/13/2017 12:04 pm : link
regular exercise is a must
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UConn4523 : 12/13/2017 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13739021 GMAN4LIFE said:
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In comment 13739010 UConn4523 said:


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what antibiotic were you on?



it was called something to the effect of Levaquin or something.


I'd look into that in more detail and depending on what you find I'd make sure that doctors only prescribe you something with less side effects when it comes to anti-biotics.

Levaquin has a nasty side effect with tendon soreness or rupture. I was put on it once and its now on my list of things I'll never take again. I tell my doctors I want Amox or some form of Penicillin. That' really all you need for most infections and definitely would cover anything tooth related (I had heart surgery so I used to have to take antibiotics before going to the dentist as a kid).

I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't consume, but its something you should definitely look into more and do your research on.
you sure your weight gain  
bluepepper : 12/13/2017 12:19 pm : link
was due to the meds? Not that you were feeling better so had a larger appetite? Or that you've come to associate the meds with weight gain and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy? When I've had anxiety, I lost weight even when taking some medication. When I felt better I put most of it back on. Talking 10-15 lbs so nothing drastic. Honestly, maybe worth a try to approach the weight gain piece like a normal weight gain process and modify your diet etc.

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Danny Kanell : 12/13/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13739047 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13739021 GMAN4LIFE said:


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In comment 13739010 UConn4523 said:


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what antibiotic were you on?



it was called something to the effect of Levaquin or something.



I'd look into that in more detail and depending on what you find I'd make sure that doctors only prescribe you something with less side effects when it comes to anti-biotics.

Levaquin has a nasty side effect with tendon soreness or rupture. I was put on it once and its now on my list of things I'll never take again. I tell my doctors I want Amox or some form of Penicillin. That' really all you need for most infections and definitely would cover anything tooth related (I had heart surgery so I used to have to take antibiotics before going to the dentist as a kid).

I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't consume, but its something you should definitely look into more and do your research on.


I was given Levaquin for Pneumonia and it was pretty intense. It worked but it's something i'd prefer to never take again.
yeah I hated it  
UConn4523 : 12/13/2017 1:13 pm : link
was sore as fuck after 1 day on Levaquin and actually felt signs of tendinitis. Called my doc and told him there was no way I was taking it ever again and asked for a milder antibiotic that I know was never a problem for me.

This was about 6/7 years ago and I'll never take Levaquin ever again.
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arcarsenal : 12/13/2017 1:15 pm : link
They gave it to me when I had mono and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with me because I was sick or so long - this was about 7 years ago.

I'd also pass on taking it ever again. Made me feel worse if anything.
RE: Anxiety meds  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/13/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13738864 BlueinRoch said:
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I used to take Lexipro and didn't like the side effects. About a year ago, my doc switched me to Buspirone. It works great with no side effects at all. Around the time I started taking it I also started exercising; walking, push ups, situps, nothing crazy, and I have lost 35 pounds. AND..if you are having any "bedroom" side effects, they will be gone too. I also meditate once in a while which really helps. Good luck Gman!


THIS. Although Lexapro definitely helped me with the anxiety I tapered off it as well and now take 60mg Buspirone throughout the day and it really helps along with everything else you mentioned. Lots of water and exercise are key. Avoid narcotics at all costs.
im trying peeps...  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/13/2017 1:50 pm : link
its such a tough road but im up to the task to go in head on.

the doc did mention that going to the whole 30 diet or keto would be beneficial for me. I dont know if i would be willing to give up bread though. I doubt that would be helpful. would probably make me more angry.
Just curious  
Knineteen : 12/13/2017 1:58 pm : link
how do you attribute the antibiotics to your increased anxiety?
RE: Just curious  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/13/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13739182 Knineteen said:
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how do you attribute the antibiotics to your increased anxiety?



some of the side effects from that antibiotic made my body feel odd and made me have mood swings. Then i looked at the side effects and it said everything i was feeling. According to my doctor, meds with the "QU" just arent good for people with anxiety.
Bah!  
Knineteen : 12/13/2017 2:06 pm : link
One of the reasons why I hate medication in general. I've been debating going on Lexapro for years; I just don't know what would be a true side affect vs. a psychosomatic one.
RE: Bah!  
arcarsenal : 12/13/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13739192 Knineteen said:
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One of the reasons why I hate medication in general. I've been debating going on Lexapro for years; I just don't know what would be a true side affect vs. a psychosomatic one.


Can't hurt to try it. If it doesn't help you or you experience unwanted side-effects, you can always taper off and stop taking it.

Despite all of my knowledge surrounding this subject as a result of suffering with anxiety since I was 21, I still felt I needed something to help me handle it properly. Started taking Lexapro about a year and a half ago.

It's not a miracle pill. I haven't really experienced any side-effects from taking it, though. And it has helped me a bit.
I understand the need for meds but stress  
idinkido : 12/14/2017 12:12 am : link
the importance of learning ways to manage your life without the meds. Again, the meds should only be a temporary solution that will help you deal with immediate problems and to help you get into psychotherapy or something similar. One of the primary steps is to get control over your life. Learn how to manage your life to reduce the situations that cause you anxiety. Have confidence in yourself and trust yourself, and trust that you can communicate with people in a good way even when certain things bother you. Some people may call this positive thinking. I call it strategy. There are so many situations in life that upset us and make us tense. Know that you are not the only one who feels this way, which you do know when you asked advice from others here at BBI. Anxiety and depression is a Bitch! Just know many of us go through this and life goes on.
I truly respect you Gman and wish you the best.
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