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Agreed. Apple has this victim mentality where the coaches and teammates unfairly use him as a scapegoat. When you watch film of you quitting on a play you should be called out for it. What was he expecting?
agreed. I like how Collins has handled himself during this shit season. Hasn't played as well as last year, but he's giving full effort and being more of a leader
Now after a terrible season, he just fell apart. Someone needs to help mature him. Hopefully Landon is that guy.
It's going to be lovely to see Mike munchack or Dante Scarnecchia help this kid get his head right.
Maybe time to look at both dbacks coaches also. Separate conversation though , to be sure.
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damning part is the "in his head" comment.
Agreed. Apple has this victim mentality where the coaches and teammates unfairly use him as a scapegoat. When you watch film of you quitting on a play you should be called out for it. What was he expecting?
Also agree. New head coach. New chance. Slate clean. But this can't happen again, or he will be cut after 2018.
That is my takeaway as well.
That is certainly not objective #1.
And I'm not keen on trading a top 10 pick after two years for a 6th rounder, as you propose. The value from the off chance he turns it around is still worth more than a late pick
... Really?! Before fixing the OL, getting an NFL quality linebacker, or finding the next franchise QB?
Ironic that it's landon collins being involved in a topic about rushing to judgement on a draft pick. Some of you recall very well who had Collins tagged as a bust after one bad year.
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sounds like OO. Fighting against teammates, sounds like a cut.
Yes cut a first round draft pick with guaranteed money...brilliant idea.
You're right. Jerry guaranteed if he drafted you, you were safe for the first 4-5 years.
But grab Apple wh on is about as Mature as 10 year old. Reese deserved to be fired and let's pray Ross is next.
You're right. Jerry guaranteed if he drafted you, you were safe for the first 4-5 years.
The main reason I am happy that Reese was let go was that the Giants will now likely take a QB in the first round. As you said Reese was too patient with draft picks and chances are he would have passed on a potential franchise QB like Darnold, Rosen, or Allen strictly because of the fact that he used a 3rd round pick on Webb last year. He would have given us some bs that he had a better grade on Webb than he did on any of the QB's in this years draft.
at least collins seems like a solid pick.
The Apple does not fall far from the tree. We are all influenced by our parents in some way. Have you seen the shit that his mother has spewed publicly? Not all of it is bad in fact most of it isn't but over time it is very revealing. She no doubt is in his ear.
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sounds like OO. Fighting against teammates, sounds like a cut.
Yes cut a first round draft pick with guaranteed money...brilliant idea.
You're right. Jerry guaranteed if he drafted you, you were safe for the first 4-5 years.
Not sure what harm it does to let players play out rookie contracts other than hurt the feelings of fans who equate cutting players with running an orderly franchise.
If he really wants out because of X they should get the agent to see if he can set up a feasible trade.
If its because coachs yelled at him or whatever they REALLY, ALL need to talk with him about the maturity issue.
They need to put the squeeze on his agent to get this right by draft day....and the mom illness is NOT an excuse. This guy is liable to watch a WR run right past him then say, he was distracted, thinking about something else, the sun was in his eyes, or anything to mitigate what happened.
IIRC his college evaluation said he was sort of a headcase or had a character issue...he already has had THAT overlooked to have gotten draft by the Giants, and was even considered a 2nd+ rounder.Lots of ammo to be in the drivers seat...minus the 18M if cut.
at least collins seems like a solid pick.
Gotta agree on Tunsil, but that decision may have been made by the Maras. That was one of the few draft days where I was yelling at the TV to take Tunsil.
Apple needs to grow up fast, they're not likely to cut bait on the #10 pick of the draft, unless they determine he's a lost cause.
Given his mother's illness, his immaturity, and a sinking ship losing culture compared to his strong rookie season, I'm willing to bet on the latter repeating.
Could be two clubhouse leaders have emerged. Right type of people to straighten out Apple. Right type of players to be captains. Both leading by example.
I'd give Apple the opportunity to show what he can do with a new coaching staff.
Apple needs to grow up fast, they're not likely to cut bait on the #10 pick of the draft, unless they determine he's a lost cause.
Given his mother's illness, his immaturity, and a sinking ship losing culture compared to his strong rookie season, I'm willing to bet on the latter repeating.
Do me a favor and don't tell me what I need to do, someone commented about Tunsil and I added mine, that's all. And Eli Apple is looking like a bust at this point.
as well.
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yous need to let it go.
Apple needs to grow up fast, they're not likely to cut bait on the #10 pick of the draft, unless they determine he's a lost cause.
Given his mother's illness, his immaturity, and a sinking ship losing culture compared to his strong rookie season, I'm willing to bet on the latter repeating.
Do me a favor and don't tell me what I need to do, someone commented about Tunsil and I added mine, that's all. And Eli Apple is looking like a bust at this point.
Someone is sensitive.
What?? That's nuts. Sorry for not bringing my psychology degree to the table to fix this kid's head but I would suggest the following layman prescription...
1) give him another chance
2) get some fucking coaches in here that know what they are doing and can work on Apple's fatal flaws (mostly how to play when the ball is in the air)
3) and get some fucking Defensive Captain-types to mentor this idiot somewhat about being a teammate on and off the field
My guess is once he starts making plays again and gets some confidence from not being benched every few weeks, he will start paying dividends...