I'd like to think this isn't a Madden trade and I can see how the Browns would like to just stand pat.
The trade-
Browns take Sam Darnold #1. Giants are now up.
Browns send the #6 overall (via the texans) and two of their 2nd rounders (#33 and #38 (texans)) for the giants #2 overall pick.
The Browns now have the top 2 prospects in the draft. Also- they still have a second round pick (via the eagles). The new GM probably loves having that many picks and doesn't want to trade them...but pairing Darnold and Barkley would be pretty enticing.
The Giants are now selecting 6th. They also have the #1,#2, and #6 picks in the 2nd round. This can allow them to move up into the back half of the first round or just stand pat and select 4 players in the first 38 picks. This only would happen if the new GM isn't in love with the top QBs. In this instance, I would take the best LT at #6, package two of the 2nd rounders to move into the 20s, take Mayfield...and still have an extra 2nd rounder for another Olineman.
Thoughts on this semi ridiculous trade on a slow Wednesday?
Saying it isn't as a disclaimer doesn't negate that.
Saying it isn't as a disclaimer doesn't negate that.
I said i like to think its not, thanks sweetheart!
Knowing that, the rest of the thread is useless. Honey.
If it's highly debatable? Sure. If not, no.
No. George Costanza.
#2 = 2600
#6 = 1600
#33 = 580
#38 = 520
It kind of makes sense, you might see the Giants give up fourth round pick to go along with it.
No idea why they would do that though. Plenty of great players at #6.
Yep, he won't make it past the Jets.
In comment 13739340 BLUATHRT said:
#2 = 2600
#6 = 1600
#33 = 580
#38 = 520
It kind of makes sense, you might see the Giants give up fourth round pick to go along with it.
No idea why they would do that though. Plenty of great players at #6.
If the Giants moved back to number 6, would Nelson be worth that pick? He is such a good OG and could help turn around the unit that needs the most help. IMO, if the O line can be improved it will trickle down to the rest of the team. Sustain drives, run the ball, give our QB time for downfield throws to OBJ, Shep and Engram. Nelson is not just a road grader but an excellent pass protector. He stones people and eats up counter moves.
If we can package 2nd round picks to move back into the first round and grab him later than I'm all for that as well, but picking Mayfield at 6 might be early. I like the idea of moving back a couple spots but by doing that the chance of losing out on a QB is great. We should learn from the last 2 years that teams will maneuver up and trade picks to get their guy. I don't want a repeat of the 2016 draft where Chicago moved up to get Leonard Floyd and Tunsil had the gas mask incident and we picked Apple. That still pisses me off. Tunsil would have been a great consolation pick from losing out on Floyd.
In today’s NFL I think that’s smart remember the giants probably don’t go to the SB in 1986 without the 4 number 2 picks they acquired
1. It’s debatable if he’s even the best back in the draft.
2. Cleveland has two very capable backs in Crowell and Johnson.
3. Taking a RB top 5 is just silly in general. Every single year there’s backs drafted in the 2nd through 5th rounds who end up being more productive than the hyped backs. There’s simply more value at other positions that high.
The only scenario I could see Cleveland wanting to trade up would be for Chubb.
1. It’s debatable if he’s even the best back in the draft.
2. Cleveland has two very capable backs in Crowell and Johnson.
3. Taking a RB top 5 is just silly in general. Every single year there’s backs drafted in the 2nd through 5th rounds who end up being more productive than the hyped backs. There’s simply more value at other positions that high.
The only scenario I could see Cleveland wanting to trade up would be for Chubb.
It's debatable only for the misinformed (or uninformed).
Neither Crowell nor Johnson are superior talents capable of carrying any offense, and neither should preclude the Browns from getting Barkley if they desire.
To your third point I agree in most cases. But not this time. He is in the Ezekiel Elliott class (actually I think he's better). Pick the top 5 RBs of the last 25 years. Those are his peers. I don't think San Diego regretted LaDainian Tomlinson with the #5 overall pick. Marshall Faulk also was drafted #2 overall. Those were both good picks, as was Elliott.
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Is dumb for the following reasons:
1. It’s debatable if he’s even the best back in the draft.
2. Cleveland has two very capable backs in Crowell and Johnson.
3. Taking a RB top 5 is just silly in general. Every single year there’s backs drafted in the 2nd through 5th rounds who end up being more productive than the hyped backs. There’s simply more value at other positions that high.
The only scenario I could see Cleveland wanting to trade up would be for Chubb.
It's debatable only for the misinformed (or uninformed).
Neither Crowell nor Johnson are superior talents capable of carrying any offense, and neither should preclude the Browns from getting Barkley if they desire.
To your third point I agree in most cases. But not this time. He is in the Ezekiel Elliott class (actually I think he's better). Pick the top 5 RBs of the last 25 years. Those are his peers. I don't think San Diego regretted LaDainian Tomlinson with the #5 overall pick. Marshall Faulk also was drafted #2 overall. Those were both good picks, as was Elliott.
I’ve watched plenty of Barkley and there’s nothing about his game that stands out to me. Comes up very small vs good defenses. I’d be willing to bet there’s at least one if not more backs that come out of this draft class who have a better career. Nothing screams sure bet about this guy. I know this isn’t a popular opinion around here but that’s what I see.
This reminds me of the Reggie Bush draft. Everyone hyped Bush as the next Walter Payton and said the Texans were idiots for taking Mario Williams. Taking Williams was the smart play.