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Hypothetical draft day trade W/ Browns

The Dude : 12/13/2017 3:22 pm
I'd like to think this isn't a Madden trade and I can see how the Browns would like to just stand pat.

The trade-

Browns take Sam Darnold #1. Giants are now up.

Browns send the #6 overall (via the texans) and two of their 2nd rounders (#33 and #38 (texans)) for the giants #2 overall pick.

The Browns now have the top 2 prospects in the draft. Also- they still have a second round pick (via the eagles). The new GM probably loves having that many picks and doesn't want to trade them...but pairing Darnold and Barkley would be pretty enticing.

The Giants are now selecting 6th. They also have the #1,#2, and #6 picks in the 2nd round. This can allow them to move up into the back half of the first round or just stand pat and select 4 players in the first 38 picks. This only would happen if the new GM isn't in love with the top QBs. In this instance, I would take the best LT at #6, package two of the 2nd rounders to move into the 20s, take Mayfield...and still have an extra 2nd rounder for another Olineman.

Thoughts on this semi ridiculous trade on a slow Wednesday?
It is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/13/2017 3:24 pm : link
a Madden trade.

Saying it isn't as a disclaimer doesn't negate that.
Is Kevin Costner the GM?  
figgy2989 : 12/13/2017 3:25 pm : link
I would sign up for that in a second. Especially if the Giants aren't sold on Darnold or Rosen.
RE: It is..  
The Dude : 12/13/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13739329 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a Madden trade.

Saying it isn't as a disclaimer doesn't negate that.


I said i like to think its not, thanks sweetheart!
It all depends on who the Giants want, who their top 38 players are  
robbieballs2003 : 12/13/2017 3:26 pm : link
and what other teams are offering. If I am the Giants I am not trading down to 6 unless I am getting a future 1st.
The only trade we’d be making with the Browns..  
Sean : 12/13/2017 3:26 pm : link
is moving up. For Darnold.
Interesting suggestion  
Jay on the Island : 12/13/2017 3:27 pm : link
I would like to see the Giants then turn around and trade the Texans 2nd and the 6th overall pick to the 49ers to secure Josh Allen. The Giants would get their franchise QB, then have top two picks in the 2nd round(hopefully G Braden Smith and RB Love) plus save money by moving down two spots.
First off..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/13/2017 3:27 pm : link
the Browns wouldn't have to trade back to #2, they could wait until #3 or possibly #4 if they want Barkley.

Knowing that, the rest of the thread is useless. Honey.
I think Mayfield goes top 10  
BLUATHRT : 12/13/2017 3:28 pm : link
It’s rare you get an opportunity to take a franchise level QB and have your pick of many. I don’t believe you risk that by passing on a guy at 2,3 or 6- especially considering this is not an elite LT draft. Brown is the top rated guy and he’s still a project. Not to mention Flowers seems to be coming around.
I'd like to  
HoodieGelo : 12/13/2017 3:29 pm : link
say that's ridiculous, but this is the Browns. Either way, Barkley is a STRETCH at #2 and could easily (most likely will) be available at #6. There's no one that special to give up all those picks for imo.
you're not getting that much to slide from 2 to 6  
djm : 12/13/2017 3:32 pm : link
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Sean  
joeinpa : 12/13/2017 3:33 pm : link
Amen
Obviously it depends on how  
idiotsavant : 12/13/2017 3:41 pm : link
They value the top five....and top 2.. And let's not pretend to know the answer to those questions.

If it's highly debatable? Sure. If not, no.
Ummm  
mdthedream : 12/13/2017 3:46 pm : link
if the RB is like Elliot than I can see it for two 2nd round picks. They get the QB they want and a stud RB. The Giants would have to want a QB that is less ranked or maybe no and they build the rest of the teams with the extra picks.
Trade  
Giantslifer : 12/13/2017 3:49 pm : link
If they could convince(sucker) Browns into that deal. The GM would have job for life.
The only way I can see a team paying a ransom  
Section331 : 12/13/2017 3:51 pm : link
to move from #6 to #2 is if they need a QB. Cleveland has the 1st pick, which they undoubtedly will use on a QB. I'm not sure what other player would have enough value for them to give up 2 premium 2nd rounders to move up 4 spots.
RE: Is Kevin Costner the GM?  
Victor in CT : 12/13/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13739331 figgy2989 said:
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I would sign up for that in a second. Especially if the Giants aren't sold on Darnold or Rosen.


No. George Costanza.
Draft Value Chart  
Dodge : 12/13/2017 3:57 pm : link
Draft Values:
#2 = 2600

#6 = 1600
#33 = 580
#38 = 520

It kind of makes sense, you might see the Giants give up fourth round pick to go along with it.

No idea why they would do that though. Plenty of great players at #6.
I think  
mattyblue : 12/13/2017 4:18 pm : link
there is gonna be a lot of QBs in the top ten including Mayfield, Allen and Jackson. That is of course with Rosen and Darnold going as expected.
RE: I think Mayfield goes top 10  
Rong5611 : 12/13/2017 4:54 pm : link

Yep, he won't make it past the Jets.


In comment 13739340 BLUATHRT said:
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It’s rare you get an opportunity to take a franchise level QB and have your pick of many. I don’t believe you risk that by passing on a guy at 2,3 or 6- especially considering this is not an elite LT draft. Brown is the top rated guy and he’s still a project. Not to mention Flowers seems to be coming around.
New GMs  
Sy'56 : 12/13/2017 5:00 pm : link
want as many top 100 picks as possible. CLE won't be trading up from the HOU spot.
RE: Draft Value Chart  
Rjanyg : 12/13/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13739391 Dodge said:
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Draft Values:
#2 = 2600

#6 = 1600
#33 = 580
#38 = 520

It kind of makes sense, you might see the Giants give up fourth round pick to go along with it.

No idea why they would do that though. Plenty of great players at #6.


If the Giants moved back to number 6, would Nelson be worth that pick? He is such a good OG and could help turn around the unit that needs the most help. IMO, if the O line can be improved it will trickle down to the rest of the team. Sustain drives, run the ball, give our QB time for downfield throws to OBJ, Shep and Engram. Nelson is not just a road grader but an excellent pass protector. He stones people and eats up counter moves.

If we can package 2nd round picks to move back into the first round and grab him later than I'm all for that as well, but picking Mayfield at 6 might be early. I like the idea of moving back a couple spots but by doing that the chance of losing out on a QB is great. We should learn from the last 2 years that teams will maneuver up and trade picks to get their guy. I don't want a repeat of the 2016 draft where Chicago moved up to get Leonard Floyd and Tunsil had the gas mask incident and we picked Apple. That still pisses me off. Tunsil would have been a great consolation pick from losing out on Floyd.

If they get 3 top tier olinemen and a top LB that would be a good deal  
SterlingArcher : 12/13/2017 5:59 pm : link
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RE: If they get 3 top tier olinemen and a top LB that would be a good deal  
Milton : 12/13/2017 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13739529 SterlingArcher said:
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If they get a franchise QB and one top tier OL that would be an even better deal!
I missed the 1st round #6 pick  
Giant John : 12/13/2017 6:05 pm : link
So withdraw my comment above.
RE: New GMs  
NikkiMac : 12/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13739472 Sy'56 said:
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want as many top 100 picks as possible. CLE won't be trading up from the HOU spot.


In today’s NFL I think that’s smart remember the giants probably don’t go to the SB in 1986 without the 4 number 2 picks they acquired
Trading up for Barkley  
WillVAB : 12/13/2017 8:52 pm : link
Is dumb for the following reasons:

1. It’s debatable if he’s even the best back in the draft.

2. Cleveland has two very capable backs in Crowell and Johnson.

3. Taking a RB top 5 is just silly in general. Every single year there’s backs drafted in the 2nd through 5th rounds who end up being more productive than the hyped backs. There’s simply more value at other positions that high.

The only scenario I could see Cleveland wanting to trade up would be for Chubb.
RE: Trading up for Barkley  
allstarjim : 12/13/2017 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13739682 WillVAB said:
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Is dumb for the following reasons:

1. It’s debatable if he’s even the best back in the draft.

2. Cleveland has two very capable backs in Crowell and Johnson.

3. Taking a RB top 5 is just silly in general. Every single year there’s backs drafted in the 2nd through 5th rounds who end up being more productive than the hyped backs. There’s simply more value at other positions that high.

The only scenario I could see Cleveland wanting to trade up would be for Chubb.


It's debatable only for the misinformed (or uninformed).

Neither Crowell nor Johnson are superior talents capable of carrying any offense, and neither should preclude the Browns from getting Barkley if they desire.

To your third point I agree in most cases. But not this time. He is in the Ezekiel Elliott class (actually I think he's better). Pick the top 5 RBs of the last 25 years. Those are his peers. I don't think San Diego regretted LaDainian Tomlinson with the #5 overall pick. Marshall Faulk also was drafted #2 overall. Those were both good picks, as was Elliott.
RE: RE: Trading up for Barkley  
WillVAB : 12/14/2017 1:06 am : link
In comment 13739772 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13739682 WillVAB said:


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Is dumb for the following reasons:

1. It’s debatable if he’s even the best back in the draft.

2. Cleveland has two very capable backs in Crowell and Johnson.

3. Taking a RB top 5 is just silly in general. Every single year there’s backs drafted in the 2nd through 5th rounds who end up being more productive than the hyped backs. There’s simply more value at other positions that high.

The only scenario I could see Cleveland wanting to trade up would be for Chubb.



It's debatable only for the misinformed (or uninformed).

Neither Crowell nor Johnson are superior talents capable of carrying any offense, and neither should preclude the Browns from getting Barkley if they desire.

To your third point I agree in most cases. But not this time. He is in the Ezekiel Elliott class (actually I think he's better). Pick the top 5 RBs of the last 25 years. Those are his peers. I don't think San Diego regretted LaDainian Tomlinson with the #5 overall pick. Marshall Faulk also was drafted #2 overall. Those were both good picks, as was Elliott.


I’ve watched plenty of Barkley and there’s nothing about his game that stands out to me. Comes up very small vs good defenses. I’d be willing to bet there’s at least one if not more backs that come out of this draft class who have a better career. Nothing screams sure bet about this guy. I know this isn’t a popular opinion around here but that’s what I see.

This reminds me of the Reggie Bush draft. Everyone hyped Bush as the next Walter Payton and said the Texans were idiots for taking Mario Williams. Taking Williams was the smart play.
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