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DaddyM89 : 12/14/2017 1:43 am
Could this be the day we see Machado moved? Do the yankees make a move for a pitcher or a bold one in getting said Machado? Will the Mets make a big splash on the last day. Hopefully it'll be an exciting one after the last few days were a little slow.
I hope,but doubt,we see a lot of action today  
TheMick7 : 12/14/2017 5:07 am : link
Many teams leave right after the Rule 5 Draft this morning,so unless teams are very close to a deal,it won't happen today.
According to BleacherNation  
Beer Man : 12/14/2017 5:34 am : link
The Pirates are scouting the Yankees for a possible Gerrit Cole deal. That's different from what we were hearing earlier in the week, when it was mentioned that Cole wasn't on the market. I have to imagine it will cost the Yanks a few premium prospects, as Cole is decent, young, and has a controllable contract.
I think Machado ends up with the Phils or White Sox  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 5:49 am : link
We'll see what happens with Cole. Could something like Andujar, Adams, Abreu get it done? Is Frazier a given?

As a fan, I'm still hoping to see Todd Frazier return and I'm not really sold on Andujar at 3B despite his supposed improvements defensively (and while his bat is very good, it's not good enough to offset poor defense if that remains an issue).

My preference would be Fulmer by a wide margin, but if the Yanks can acquire either Fulmer or Cole without dealing Torres or Sheffield (and there seems to be no suggestion that they will) and bring back Todd Frazier, I'd consider the offseason a huge success.
I'd wait until FA to get  
section125 : 12/14/2017 7:59 am : link
Machado. No prospects dealt/lost, no chance of him bolting next year after giving up prospects, just cold hard cash.
teams trading for Machado  
Rory : 12/14/2017 8:18 am : link
must be thinking buy low and sell at ASB. Def can see Whitesox making this move.

Another to look out for would be Twins
RE: teams trading for Machado  
MookGiants : 12/14/2017 8:28 am : link
In comment 13739864 Rory said:
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must be thinking buy low and sell at ASB. Def can see Whitesox making this move.

Another to look out for would be Twins


Huh?

Hitters generally get more in trades in the off-season. If a team could get more at the deadline, why wouldn't the Orioles just wait until the deadline themselves?

Rosenthal said Chicago's intent  
bceagle05 : 12/14/2017 9:04 am : link
would be to sign Machado to an extension, but they also may consider flipping him to another team (yes, please!).
OF Victor Reyes  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 9:15 am : link
taken first by Tigers (from d-backs) in rule V draft then a computer glitch stops everything.
If I were Cashman/Hal, I would have zero  
MookGiants : 12/14/2017 9:17 am : link
interest in trading for Machado. They have turned this around quickly because they have built through the farm system. I was all for the Stanton deal, only cost money basically. But I would not even consider trading a couple of big prospects for Machado when they can sign him next off-season as a free agent. If he signs an extension elsewhere, oh well. The Yankees have put themselves in a nice position here, because they haven't done dumb things like trading away their big prospects for one player and then pay that same players hundreds of millions of dollars.
Back on...  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 9:17 am : link
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Steve Gelbs‏Verified account @SteveGelbs
54s54 seconds ago

#Mets select Burch Smith, RHP from TB AAA affiliate


RE: Back on...  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 9:19 am : link
In comment 13739914 pjcas18 said:
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Steve Gelbs‏Verified account @SteveGelbs
54s54 seconds ago

#Mets select Burch Smith, RHP from TB AAA affiliate





Sounds like a 27 year old failed middle reliever. decent k totals.
RE: If I were Cashman/Hal, I would have zero  
nygiants16 : 12/14/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13739912 MookGiants said:
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interest in trading for Machado. They have turned this around quickly because they have built through the farm system. I was all for the Stanton deal, only cost money basically. But I would not even consider trading a couple of big prospects for Machado when they can sign him next off-season as a free agent. If he signs an extension elsewhere, oh well. The Yankees have put themselves in a nice position here, because they haven't done dumb things like trading away their big prospects for one player and then pay that same players hundreds of millions of dollars.


Agreed, Yankees need pitching at this point plus you will get a year to see what you have in andujar...

Smith  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 9:24 am : link
low upside but solid grab, they need P depth. No complaints.
Cishek  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 9:26 am : link
to the Cubs, nice add
All the Machado talk  
Dankbeerman : 12/14/2017 9:26 am : link
is like the yankees letting him know they are interested in him without "tampering".

Now he knows they want him so maybe he wont sign an extension with anyone and wait for the yanks to pay him next year.

They cant be offering their top guys to unless they think they cam sign him for less now then next year
has any FA signed for more than 3 years?  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 9:27 am : link
I can't remember any offseason where the free agent activity has been so slow. I imagine it's just because there are bigger names on trade market still in discussion (Machado? Donaldson? Yelich?).
Met  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 9:31 am : link
sell Burch Smith
I'd like to see the Mets  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 9:34 am : link
show a little interest in Clay Buchholz.

coming off injury like the rest of the staff maybe wouldn't cost much, isn't ancient, and his 2016 season while up and down in Boston would have been the 3rd best of the Mets starters in 2017.

If there's a reclamation project I'd rather see it be Buchholz than someone with less track record.

They  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 9:34 am : link
certainly need P depth
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pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 9:34 am : link
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Michael Mayer‏ @mikemayerMMO
37s38 seconds ago

Mets select INF Andrew Ely in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft.

The defensive minded infielder hit .259/.356/.355 in AA last year for the Cubs.
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13739942 pjcas18 said:
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Michael Mayer‏ @mikemayerMMO
37s38 seconds ago

Mets select INF Andrew Ely in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft.

The defensive minded infielder hit .259/.356/.355 in AA last year for the Cubs.




Backup minor league IF depth, not a big leaguer. No speed or power. He's worst case on Guillorme.
I'll eat my hat if Angelos trades Machado to the Yankees  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 9:39 am : link
When was the last time those teams conducted any trade, other than for fringe players?
Hearing the  
YANKEE28 : 12/14/2017 9:53 am : link
Yankees lost 4 players in the Rule 5

Anyelo Gomez RH P
Mike Ford Power bat
Jose Mesa RH P
Nestor Cordes LH P
RE: Hearing the  
rich in DC : 12/14/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13739964 YANKEE28 said:
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Yankees lost 4 players in the Rule 5

Anyelo Gomez RH P
Mike Ford Power bat
Jose Mesa RH P
Nestor Cordes LH P


The O's took both Mesa and Cortes.
RE: All the Machado talk  
Danny Kanell : 12/14/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13739927 Dankbeerman said:
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is like the yankees letting him know they are interested in him without "tampering".

Now he knows they want him so maybe he wont sign an extension with anyone and wait for the yanks to pay him next year.

They cant be offering their top guys to unless they think they cam sign him for less now then next year


This
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pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 10:27 am : link
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Marc Carig‏Verified account @MarcCarig
34s35 seconds ago

Kinsler wasnt going to waive no trade for Mets. Also heard Rafael Monteros name came up in talks. Perhaps instructive moving forward in that one of those controllable young arm may need to be moved (like Gsellman, Lugo) to get second baseman.
A team as cheap as the Mets  
Metnut : 12/14/2017 10:31 am : link
with a rotation that thin can't really trade young cost controlled arms for one-year of a veteran like Kinsler IMO. The Mets need to bring as many of these arms into camp as possible since some of these pitchers are inevitably going to get hurt.
RE: If I were Cashman/Hal, I would have zero  
Stu11 : 12/14/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13739912 MookGiants said:
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interest in trading for Machado. They have turned this around quickly because they have built through the farm system. I was all for the Stanton deal, only cost money basically. But I would not even consider trading a couple of big prospects for Machado when they can sign him next off-season as a free agent. If he signs an extension elsewhere, oh well. The Yankees have put themselves in a nice position here, because they haven't done dumb things like trading away their big prospects for one player and then pay that same players hundreds of millions of dollars.

Agree 100%. Also I want to see Machado this year. His BA/OBP/OPS really tanked this past season. Was it a 1 year aberration or trend? The guy is a young stud and is a great fielder too. Frankly I'd like to try other solutions at 3b right now.
eh, Machado had a terrible start to the year  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 11:05 am : link
.230/.296/.445 first half, .290/.326/.500 second half. .239 BAbip in the first half, so at least some of it was probably bad luck. Oddly enough, he had a MASSIVE home/road split - didn't hit at all on the road. Wasn't the case in the previous few seasons.
Here are two articles from the Tigers fan perspective...  
Milton : 12/14/2017 11:06 am : link
On what it would take for them to give up Fulmer.

From Ryan Blevins (BlessYouBoys.com)...
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If the Tigers want to pick from a top farm system, they wont do much better than the New York Yankees. The talent is plentiful, and they could put together a very nice package of prospects without gutting their system. The acquisition of Giancarlo Stanton has also made several of their outfield prospects a bit more expendable.

Trading Fulmer would be a bold move for the Tigers, and the return would have to be substantial. Fulmer is still a cost-controlled, top tier starter, just 24 years of age. The Yankees would have five years before Fulmer reaches free agency. Thats a very valuable commodity.

General manager Al Avila is obliged to listen, as such a deal could propel the Tigers rebuilding effort in a major way. Gleyber Torres, in particular, would be a huge boost to a farm system still weak in middle infield talent. However, unless the Yankees are committed enough to part with several high end prospects, the Tigers will rightly pass on a deal.
full article--1

From Detroit Free Press (with quotes from Keith Law of ESPN)...
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Im asking for two of this group Torres, Sheffield, Andujar, oh and Florial," (Keith) Law said on what he'd do if he was Avila. "Im saying I want two of those in exchange, and then youre asking for two more (prospects). Two really good prospects at the top and then two lesser prospects to round out the deal. And my lesser (prospects), they can be further away or they can be guys that are just not as good.
full article--2
They aren't trading Torres  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 11:07 am : link
Fulmer is good, but he's not that good.
If  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 11:10 am : link
Jose Reyes is the Mets 2b this year I am not attending a single game.
RE: If  
Metnut : 12/14/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13740121 DanMetroMan said:
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Jose Reyes is the Mets 2b this year I am not attending a single game.


What if they sign Moustakos and Flores/Cabrera both get hurt with minor injuries in spring training?

LOL... just trying to think of a scenario that could happen where we wouldn't be too mad.
RE: RE: If  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13740134 Metnut said:
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In comment 13740121 DanMetroMan said:


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Jose Reyes is the Mets 2b this year I am not attending a single game.



What if they sign Moustakos and Flores/Cabrera both get hurt with minor injuries in spring training?

LOL... just trying to think of a scenario that could happen where we wouldn't be too mad.


Well Carig's tweet more than implies in this scenario Reyes would "the" starting 2b, not he ended up there through injury.
RE: Here are two articles from the Tigers fan perspective...  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13740106 Milton said:
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On what it would take for them to give up Fulmer.

From Ryan Blevins (BlessYouBoys.com)...

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If the Tigers want to pick from a top farm system, they wont do much better than the New York Yankees. The talent is plentiful, and they could put together a very nice package of prospects without gutting their system. The acquisition of Giancarlo Stanton has also made several of their outfield prospects a bit more expendable.

Trading Fulmer would be a bold move for the Tigers, and the return would have to be substantial. Fulmer is still a cost-controlled, top tier starter, just 24 years of age. The Yankees would have five years before Fulmer reaches free agency. Thats a very valuable commodity.

General manager Al Avila is obliged to listen, as such a deal could propel the Tigers rebuilding effort in a major way. Gleyber Torres, in particular, would be a huge boost to a farm system still weak in middle infield talent. However, unless the Yankees are committed enough to part with several high end prospects, the Tigers will rightly pass on a deal.

full article--1

From Detroit Free Press (with quotes from Keith Law of ESPN)...

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Im asking for two of this group Torres, Sheffield, Andujar, oh and Florial," (Keith) Law said on what he'd do if he was Avila. "Im saying I want two of those in exchange, and then youre asking for two more (prospects). Two really good prospects at the top and then two lesser prospects to round out the deal. And my lesser (prospects), they can be further away or they can be guys that are just not as good.

full article--2

Mentioned it in yesterday's thread, but Clint Frazier is every bit on the same level as the group that Law references, he just has graduated out of prospect status. Frazier and Andujar + two lesser prospects would be just fine by me for Fulmer.
Here's a crazy hypothetical.....  
Milton : 12/14/2017 11:30 am : link
The Yankees make two trades within minutes of each other...
Trade#1: Frazier, Sheffield, Abreu, Estrada for Michael Fulmer.
Trade#2:Adams, Andujar, Acevedo, Wade for Gerrit Cole.

It would still leave the Yankees two of their top four prospects in Torres and Florial and a bunch of good pitching prospects like Medina, Tate, German, Perez, Schmidt, Sauer, etc., etc., etc.

Two questions...
1. Is it actually doable?
2. Would you be happy or sad to see it happen?
And a bonus question...
--What if Torres was part of a trade for Fulmer (with Frazier headlining a trade for Cole)?
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 11:33 am : link
think the Tigers do that without thinking twice. Pirates might not. Pirates unlike the Tigers seem like they are going to try and retool on the fly.
If the Yankees were gonna part with the top prospects  
bceagle05 : 12/14/2017 11:35 am : link
in trades for pitchers, they should've done so for a guy like Chris Sale. To turn around and include such guys in trades for Fulmer, Cole, etc., doesn't thrill me too much. I'm OK with Clint Frazier and Chance Adams + lower tier guys - but Torres, Florial and Sheffield should be off limits unless you're getting a Cy Young-winning type of talent.
RE: RE: Here are two articles from the Tigers fan perspective...  
Milton : 12/14/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13740175 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Mentioned it in yesterday's thread, but Clint Frazier is every bit on the same level as the group that Law references, he just has graduated out of prospect status. Frazier and Andujar + two lesser prospects would be just fine by me for Fulmer.
I suspect they would want a top pitching prospect as one of the main pieces, i.e., Sheffield and Adams . If they could get it done with Frazier, Adams, and two lesser prospects (Acevedo, Tate, Estrada, Solak) that would be great. Crazy to think they would still have enough quality prospects left to swing a trade for Cole without totally gutting their farm system.
Why are you trading 8 good prospects for Fulmer AND Cole?  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 11:37 am : link
They don't need both. One is fine, and Cole isn't particularly good anyway. No way in hell am I trading that much for a guy who's barely more than mediocre in the NL.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 11:37 am : link

Marc Carig

@MarcCarig
Kipnis is still a possibility. Harrison and Hernandez too, though both may prove too costly in talent. Castro and Lowrie are not in the mix.
It is now confirmed  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 11:55 am : link
Kinsler would not accept a trade to the Mets.
It is now confirmed  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 11:56 am : link
Kinsler would not accept a trade to the Mets.
Ha that says something doesn't it?  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 11:56 am : link
I suppose the doors we were going to kick down were unexpectedly deadbolted. The next time this organization has a plan and executes it will be the first.
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arcarsenal : 12/14/2017 11:57 am : link
Heh - I had a feeling that was the case.

Not surprising. I wouldn't want to play for this shitty franchise either.
RE: Why are you trading 8 good prospects for Fulmer AND Cole?  
Milton : 12/14/2017 12:01 pm : link
Well that's the question, is it overkill to add both given the potential cost? My biggest issue isn't that they don't need both, but that it leaves the starting staff (Severino, Tanaka, Fulmer, Cole, Gray) void of lefties unless they go with a six man rotation that includes Montgomery.

It's just crazy to think that there is the potential to swing both trades without giving up Torres. Of course, I could be wrong about that. The Tigers could insist on Torres.

p.s.--I'm suspicious of the Fulmer situation. He doesn't fit the profile of someone who should be on the trading block regardless of what kind of rebuilding mode the Tigers are in. He's coming off surgery and his second season didn't match the dominance of his rookie year. Sometimes it pays to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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arcarsenal : 12/14/2017 12:03 pm : link
Fernando Rodney to MIN - 1yr ~6M
Kinsler  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 12:07 pm : link
had absolutely zero incentive to join the Mets. His family is in Dallas. The Angels 1. Are better 2. Are in the AL where he knows the pitchers and is in a walk year 3. Better weather 4. Train in Arizona (where he's from).
Red Sox trying to sign both Hosmer and Martinez  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/14/2017 12:36 pm : link
Good luck with Boras
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 12:41 pm : link
Hanley destroyed lefties in 2016, if the Sox want to pay the freight to move him (Groome etc) I'd be interested... Too much $$$ for the Mets though (per usual) #Mets
Shecky is Andy Martino  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 12:54 pm : link
LOL

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Andy Martino‏Verified account @martinonyc

Mets were veeeery close on a few trades for position players last night ... keep your eyes peeled next few days
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arcarsenal : 12/14/2017 12:55 pm : link
LOL - I'm sure the fans will all be thrilled with "hey, we tried!"
RE: Red Sox trying to sign both Hosmer and Martinez  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13740333 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Good luck with Boras


Those deals will define "good now, unbearable later". I guess they're hoping they can pawn their albatrosses off on the Dodgers again in 4 years or so.
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 1:02 pm : link
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Mets have had serious talks with Cleveland on Jason Kipnis this week, source tells SB Nation. There's been traction there. Fit looks even better with Kinsler to Anaheim.
Kipnis? Oy.  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 1:04 pm : link
There isn't a day where I'm not thankful that my dad broke from his dad's Yankee-hatred when their team, the Giants, moved away and dad turned to the Yankees because they were the only team left in town.
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arcarsenal : 12/14/2017 1:07 pm : link
Kipnis was dreadful last year.

If they believe he can bounce back and post 2015/2016 numbers, that'd be great - but who the hell knows.
Kipnis isn't a terrible gamble  
Metnut : 12/14/2017 1:11 pm : link
since you get three years of team control (2 years contract and 1 year option). I havn't seen enough to guess whether's shot or not but he was pretty damn good the prior couple years.

Its so odd  
Shecky : 12/14/2017 1:13 pm : link
The one position theFO can be patienton is 2b this offseason. Yet that is their most urgent hole they want to fill. As if the desperately want a vet next to a youngster or two.
I wouldn't mind Kipnis  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 1:15 pm : link
if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.
RE: RE: Why are you trading 8 good prospects for Fulmer AND Cole?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13740268 Milton said:
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p.s.--I'm suspicious of the Fulmer situation. He doesn't fit the profile of someone who should be on the trading block regardless of what kind of rebuilding mode the Tigers are in. He's coming off surgery and his second season didn't match the dominance of his rookie year. Sometimes it pays to look a gift horse in the mouth.

That's a fair question. I don't think the Tigers really have Fulmer on the trade block though, per se; I think it's more that they might have let other GMs know that they're open for business in general and are looking to restock their farm system.

They have a handful of older, big money guys that aren't necessarily going to get tremendous packages in return (see: Kinsler, Ian), and then a bunch of younger guys that also aren't going to get much in return, and then a few guys that are young, cheap and good that could get them multiple chips back (primarily Fulmer and Castellanos). And both of those guys come with their own questions, too - is Castellanos basically a DH-only bat? And, as you note, despite it mostly being considered a NBD procedure, Fulmer is coming off surgery.

If they think they can possibly score 2-3 legitimate MLB players with 1 or more having star potential, that could be reason enough for them to at least listen to offers.
Yes, I get the sense that the Tigers just let it be known that  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 1:36 pm : link
they're willing to listen to offers, that's all. I don't think they're actively shopping Fulmer.
why do they want to  
spike : 12/14/2017 1:41 pm : link
leave Flores on the bench again? The guy has shown to be a ML regular and is only 26
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ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13740425 arcarsenal said:
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Kipnis was dreadful last year.

If they believe he can bounce back and post 2015/2016 numbers, that'd be great - but who the hell knows.


He was injured and didnt play much. It was a small sample. I like him better than Kinsler due to age.
RE: I wouldn't mind Kipnis  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13740444 pjcas18 said:
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if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.


You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 1:57 pm : link
like to see the Mets in on Makita but they don't seem to even bother with Japan/Cuba at all.
Cardinals  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 1:58 pm : link
got a solid return for Piscotty all things considered. What a great franchise.
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arcarsenal : 12/14/2017 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13740528 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13740425 arcarsenal said:


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Kipnis was dreadful last year.

If they believe he can bounce back and post 2015/2016 numbers, that'd be great - but who the hell knows.



He was injured and didnt play much. It was a small sample. I like him better than Kinsler due to age.


Eh, he played more than half the season - I don't think the sample size is too small to draw conclusions from. He sucked.

If it was injury-related and won't be an issue going forward, great. I'm on board if we're not giving up a lot.
I dont know...  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 2:06 pm : link
At only 30 hes posted 3.4,4.5,4.9, and 4.8 fWAR seasons. I think Id trust that sample over a half season of injury plagued ball.

Kinsler was coming off a down year too but hes 36 and actually played all of last year.
Sherman has a pretty good article calling out the group think  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 2:08 pm : link
leading to the slowest winter meetings ever. I agree with him - everyone looks at the same stats now and it has paralyzed most teams from being decisive.

I couldn't care less if the Mets are veeeeeeeery close to trades or verrrrrrrry close to trades - make something happen, communicate with your fans in a rational way, or just shut up altogether.

RE: RE: I wouldn't mind Kipnis  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13740535 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13740444 pjcas18 said:


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if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.



You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol


Absolutely and I think its you who would be laughed out of the room if you think you could get Kipnis for "just" your LOL funny Matt Reynolds.

Where do you see Matt Reynolds this year?

If it's not Vegas or the bench you're once again overrating your teams non-prospects.
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't mind Kipnis  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13740562 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13740535 ZGiants98 said:


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In comment 13740444 pjcas18 said:


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if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.



You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol



Absolutely and I think its you who would be laughed out of the room if you think you could get Kipnis for "just" your LOL funny Matt Reynolds.

Where do you see Matt Reynolds this year?

If it's not Vegas or the bench you're once again overrating your teams non-prospects.


sorry, miss-read your post. I see you're saying it would cost more than Matt Reynolds.

Of course he would cost more than Matt Reynolds.

My point was I did not want to give up a lot for him. I was obviously not being literal with Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika.
RE: Yes, I get the sense that the Tigers just let it be known that  
Milton : 12/14/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13740495 Greg from LI said:
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they're willing to listen to offers, that's all. I don't think they're actively shopping Fulmer.
If his only response was "Hey, I'm always willing to listen" then fine, but he seemed to ramble on and on about it on multiple occasions.

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Avila told Detroit reporters Monday afternoon that Michael Fulmers name keeps on coming up in discussions during the MLB Winter Meetings at the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Resort.

Quite frankly, I dont have an offer on the table, Avila said. Nobodys put forth players in front of my face and said, Hey, well do this.

If a team does offer a blockbuster deal for prospects though, Avila wont rule out the possibility of moving Fulmer, the 2016 American League Rookie of the Year and an All-Star last season.

If they really want to be aggressive, theres a handful of teams that have the players to do it, Avila said. We have not even come close to those type of conversations. Everyones just kind of kicking around to see what the real interest is. Our basic message is Were not trying at this stage to try him. That doesnt mean we wouldnt listen.

What would it take to trade Fulmer?

Well quite frankly I really dont want to get into it because at this stage were not proactively trying to trade him, Avila said. My comment is, theres teams that have interest and in that sense, Well okay. Were not trying to trade him.' I have something. You want it? Tell me what you want.' 'Im not going to tell you what I want because I dont really want to do it.

And on Tuesday...
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Lets say you have an asset, Avila said. Your house. And somebody likes it. You dont have it for sale. But if somebody says, Man, I really like your house and they keep on pursuing you about your house, at some point, you might end up selling it.

With Fulmer, were not actively pursuing a trade, Avila said. A couple teams have expressed interest and all were doing is listening and thats really it at this point. I would say that, for us, it pays to listen and see whats out there.

Speaking inside the teams suite at the Walt Disney World Swan & Dolphin Resort, Avila estimated there were only a handful of teams capable of offering the Tigers the type of package they desire to part with Fulmer.

Hes an exciting young pitcher that wed love to have, Avila said. So for us to trade him, it would have to be something that a club would really have to step up and have something significant that we would feel would make us a much better organization moving forward.

That's a lot of verbiage he's devoting to a guy he doesn't want to trade when a simple "I'm always willing to listen but for someone like Fulmer it would take a helluva lot for me to part with him."


Kipinis shouldn't cost more than Kinsler since he's owed more $$$  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 2:14 pm : link
I'm sure that was the biggest reason the Mets preferred Kinsler in the first place.
Reynolds  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:17 pm : link
is absolute garbage
RE: Reynolds  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13740584 DanMetroMan said:
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is absolute garbage
I know, I hope he's not on the team this year.

RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't mind Kipnis  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13740562 pjcas18 said:
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if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.



You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol



Absolutely and I think its you who would be laughed out of the room if you think you could get Kipnis for "just" your LOL funny Matt Reynolds.

Where do you see Matt Reynolds this year?

If it's not Vegas or the bench you're once again overrating your teams non-prospects.


Are you drinking today? You think Im overrating Reynolds? What? Reynolds might be removed from the 40 today. Why the hell would I care about him? The joke is you thinking you can get Kipnis for our trash.
RE: RE: Reynolds  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13740587 pjcas18 said:
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is absolute garbage

I know, I hope he's not on the team this year.


They oddly have one guy every few seasons they have some bizarre affinity for. Mike Baxter, Eric Campbell. Reynolds is really bad and is 27 years old. This supposed "versatility" is such garbage. He can play passable OF? Who cares? Emergency OF is not some great value. "Anyone" can be your 6th OF. Guillorme can do everything Reynolds can do (and better) except play the OF. Phil Evans, same. Reynolds 115 MLB games... 0.0 fWAR.
I'd rather have Reyes on the bench than Reynolds  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 2:24 pm : link
Reynolds is nothing more than a good emergency fill-in.
RE: Kipinis shouldn't cost more than Kinsler since he's owed more $$$  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13740580 Eric on Li said:
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I'm sure that was the biggest reason the Mets preferred Kinsler in the first place.


If Kinsler is still the player he was when he was last healthy in 2015/2016 his contract is the steal of the century. Kinsler is 36 and likely close to finished. Disagree.
First part is supposed to say  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 2:26 pm : link
Kipnis. Ugh.
RE: I'd rather have Reyes on the bench than Reynolds  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13740616 Eric on Li said:
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Reynolds is nothing more than a good emergency fill-in.


No speed, no power. He's legit a player you can find on the waiver wire all season long if need be.
Moreland  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:35 pm : link
and Napoli are awful targets. Absolute garbage. Not even worth adding them. Gotta aim higher than that.
RE: Moreland  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13740656 DanMetroMan said:
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and Napoli are awful targets. Absolute garbage. Not even worth adding them. Gotta aim higher than that.


Agreed. I'd rather take on Prado (with some $ kicked in) than either of those guys. Prado would actually be a pretty good fit here in a few different ways.
I actually wouldn't mind Reyes  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 2:47 pm : link
on the team. In fact I think he has some value to the Mets.

But in a backup/utility role.

he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.
RE: I actually wouldn't mind Reyes  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13740686 pjcas18 said:
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on the team. In fact I think he has some value to the Mets.

But in a backup/utility role.

he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.


yup. He's not my first choice, but he's versatile and can still have a good month or two if he's filling in. I wouldn't even mind making 2B a competition between him, Flores, and Cecchini in the spring...

IF IF IF

They spend money elsewhere on impact players either in CF, 1B, BP, 3B.
Reyes  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:52 pm : link
on the roster is fine, Reyes the starting 2b = pathetic
RE: RE: I actually wouldn't mind Reyes  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13740696 Eric on Li said:
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on the team. In fact I think he has some value to the Mets.

But in a backup/utility role.

he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.



yup. He's not my first choice, but he's versatile and can still have a good month or two if he's filling in. I wouldn't even mind making 2B a competition between him, Flores, and Cecchini in the spring...

IF IF IF

They spend money elsewhere on impact players either in CF, 1B, BP, 3B.


Cecchini got 82 ab's for a 70 win team (and didn't hit). They don't even mention him anymore. He won't be in the mix.
.  
arcarsenal : 12/14/2017 2:54 pm : link
I like Reyes and think he's good for Rosario - I'd like to see him here for one more year. But like everyone said, it's got to be as a utility/backup player. If he's supposed to be an everyday player, the FO deserves to be completely gutted.
RE: RE: RE: I actually wouldn't mind Reyes  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13740704 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13740686 pjcas18 said:


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on the team. In fact I think he has some value to the Mets.

But in a backup/utility role.

he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.



yup. He's not my first choice, but he's versatile and can still have a good month or two if he's filling in. I wouldn't even mind making 2B a competition between him, Flores, and Cecchini in the spring...

IF IF IF

They spend money elsewhere on impact players either in CF, 1B, BP, 3B.



Cecchini got 82 ab's for a 70 win team (and didn't hit). They don't even mention him anymore. He won't be in the mix.


He has 21 career starts. Wouldn't give up on him just yet.
He  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 3:00 pm : link
has 21 starts because the Mets already have. That's the point. Posted a .709 OPS in LV, 85 wRC+ good for 9th... on his own team.
He  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 3:01 pm : link
was out hit by

Taijeron
Smith
Plawecki
Boyd
Rosario
Evans
Cruzado
Carrillo

Again on his own team
Should  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 3:02 pm : link
also be pointed out this was his second full season in AAA.
.  
arcarsenal : 12/14/2017 3:09 pm : link
Cecchini's developmental arc has been fantastic.

Drafted as a guy with a really good glove who would have value if he could become a decent hitter.

Became a complete joke in the field but actually hit quite a bit. Then last year, he pretty much just sucked all around and is rapidly approaching non-prospect territory.
Sandy's first three drafts first round  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 3:14 pm : link
picks:

Nimmo (#13)
Cecchini (#12)
Smith (#11)

I know MLB draft is a crap shoot more than some sports, but if Smith doesn't pan out you have three top 13 picks and wind up with a 4th/5th OFer.

And Sandy wonders why the farm system isn't brimming with prospects.

you miss on the 1st round and there's a ripple effect.

RE: Sandy's first three drafts first round  
Mike in NY : 12/14/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13740736 pjcas18 said:
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picks:

Nimmo (#13)
Cecchini (#12)
Smith (#11)

I know MLB draft is a crap shoot more than some sports, but if Smith doesn't pan out you have three top 13 picks and wind up with a 4th/5th OFer.

And Sandy wonders why the farm system isn't brimming with prospects.

you miss on the 1st round and there's a ripple effect.


The Mets don't maximize their draft budget like Atlanta and others do
RE: RE: If I were Cashman/Hal, I would have zero  
chopperhatch : 12/14/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13740038 Stu11 said:
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interest in trading for Machado. They have turned this around quickly because they have built through the farm system. I was all for the Stanton deal, only cost money basically. But I would not even consider trading a couple of big prospects for Machado when they can sign him next off-season as a free agent. If he signs an extension elsewhere, oh well. The Yankees have put themselves in a nice position here, because they haven't done dumb things like trading away their big prospects for one player and then pay that same players hundreds of millions of dollars.


Agree 100%. Also I want to see Machado this year. His BA/OBP/OPS really tanked this past season. Was it a 1 year aberration or trend? The guy is a young stud and is a great fielder too. Frankly I'd like to try other solutions at 3b right now.


This as well.
I never thought I'd look back at the days of Omar Minaya  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 3:28 pm : link
longingly.

He certainly seemed to NOT have a plan, and he called out reporters for no reason, but the pre-Madoff Mets were aggressive.
Just listening to Kay...  
bceagle05 : 12/14/2017 3:36 pm : link
He said the Yankees are going "full bore" for Machado, and he's heard Machado wants to play in New York, whether it's this year or next. Remember, Kay is close with Buck Showalter, so that's probably the source.

However, he still doesn't think Angelos will sign off on a Yankee deal, and he (Kay) thinks they should wait till free agency rather than deplete their starting pitching supply in the minors.

I know, I know - I hate Kay, too - but his Yankee insights have some value.
RE: RE: Yes, I get the sense that the Tigers just let it be known that  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13740575 Milton said:
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In comment 13740495 Greg from LI said:


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they're willing to listen to offers, that's all. I don't think they're actively shopping Fulmer.

If his only response was "Hey, I'm always willing to listen" then fine, but he seemed to ramble on and on about it on multiple occasions.



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Avila told Detroit reporters Monday afternoon that Michael Fulmers name keeps on coming up in discussions during the MLB Winter Meetings at the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Resort.

Quite frankly, I dont have an offer on the table, Avila said. Nobodys put forth players in front of my face and said, Hey, well do this.

If a team does offer a blockbuster deal for prospects though, Avila wont rule out the possibility of moving Fulmer, the 2016 American League Rookie of the Year and an All-Star last season.

If they really want to be aggressive, theres a handful of teams that have the players to do it, Avila said. We have not even come close to those type of conversations. Everyones just kind of kicking around to see what the real interest is. Our basic message is Were not trying at this stage to try him. That doesnt mean we wouldnt listen.

What would it take to trade Fulmer?

Well quite frankly I really dont want to get into it because at this stage were not proactively trying to trade him, Avila said. My comment is, theres teams that have interest and in that sense, Well okay. Were not trying to trade him.' I have something. You want it? Tell me what you want.' 'Im not going to tell you what I want because I dont really want to do it.


And on Tuesday...

Quote:


Lets say you have an asset, Avila said. Your house. And somebody likes it. You dont have it for sale. But if somebody says, Man, I really like your house and they keep on pursuing you about your house, at some point, you might end up selling it.

With Fulmer, were not actively pursuing a trade, Avila said. A couple teams have expressed interest and all were doing is listening and thats really it at this point. I would say that, for us, it pays to listen and see whats out there.

Speaking inside the teams suite at the Walt Disney World Swan & Dolphin Resort, Avila estimated there were only a handful of teams capable of offering the Tigers the type of package they desire to part with Fulmer.

Hes an exciting young pitcher that wed love to have, Avila said. So for us to trade him, it would have to be something that a club would really have to step up and have something significant that we would feel would make us a much better organization moving forward.


That's a lot of verbiage he's devoting to a guy he doesn't want to trade when a simple "I'm always willing to listen but for someone like Fulmer it would take a helluva lot for me to part with him."


And that's a lot of effort to try to justify wanting a mediocre NL pitcher who is older, more expensive and less effective rather than Fulmer.

They literally said at every opportunity that they are not actively trying to trade Fulmer. By your twisted logic, why would the Pirates trade such a stud (/s) as Cole?
RE: Should  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13740723 DanMetroMan said:
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also be pointed out this was his second full season in AAA.


Don't want to turn this into a Mets prospects thread but the TL:DR is that there's reason to believe he had some bad luck last year and a clean slate from a new staff would be a good idea. I know the org was down on him last year and I'm sure there's some reason why, but he's exactly the type contact oriented low strikeout player they have previously mis-evaluated.

The "bad luck" argument is that his #'s in AAA the last 2 years were a lot more similar than people realize except for 1 stat - singles. He had 23 less singles last year. His BABIP dropped and was one of the lowest on Vegas' roster (12th out of 15th among guys over 100 ABs). So the difference between a 128 wRC and an 85 wRC was a bunch of singles (and some situational factors with RBIs and RS).

2016 (499 PA) - 8 homers, 27 doubles, 2 triples, 48 BB, 55 K's
2017 (497 PA) - 6 homers, 27 doubles, 3 triples, 40 BB, 61 K's

A year ago his biggest issue was throwing errors which were mostly corrected with the move from SS to 2B (8 errors there). In a pretty weak system, especially at the higher levels, he's not someone I'd sell low on.
RE: RE: Should  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13740790 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13740723 DanMetroMan said:


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also be pointed out this was his second full season in AAA.



Don't want to turn this into a Mets prospects thread but the TL:DR is that there's reason to believe he had some bad luck last year and a clean slate from a new staff would be a good idea. I know the org was down on him last year and I'm sure there's some reason why, but he's exactly the type contact oriented low strikeout player they have previously mis-evaluated.

The "bad luck" argument is that his #'s in AAA the last 2 years were a lot more similar than people realize except for 1 stat - singles. He had 23 less singles last year. His BABIP dropped and was one of the lowest on Vegas' roster (12th out of 15th among guys over 100 ABs). So the difference between a 128 wRC and an 85 wRC was a bunch of singles (and some situational factors with RBIs and RS).

2016 (499 PA) - 8 homers, 27 doubles, 2 triples, 48 BB, 55 K's
2017 (497 PA) - 6 homers, 27 doubles, 3 triples, 40 BB, 61 K's

A year ago his biggest issue was throwing errors which were mostly corrected with the move from SS to 2B (8 errors there). In a pretty weak system, especially at the higher levels, he's not someone I'd sell low on.


Eric,
THEY decided it was worth giving Phil Evans (a guy they sent home only to call back because of injuries) a look over Cecchini. Sandy and Co. made that decision. Evans was sitting on his couch and HE got an extended look over a former 1st round pick. That doesn't tell you something? Do you hear ANY buzz around him? From the Mets? from scouts? It should also be noted while you are comparing the 2 seasons, his 2016 actually wasn't all that amazing either. 128 wRC+ was good for 6th on his own team behind Conforto, Nimmo, Rivera, Taijeron and Ty Kelly. His wOBA in 2016 was also 6th on his own team. He was "solid" in 2016 and awful in 2017. Neither season was he "MLB starter" good.
2016 rankings (200+ PA's)  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 3:58 pm : link
wOBA 6th
wRC+ 6th
Slugging 8th
OBP 4th
ISO 11th
SB's 7th

And again these are his rankings on his own team during his "good" AAA season in 2016

Baseball America dropped him from the Mets top 10 prospects while calling the Mets system "bottom 3rd in the league".

BP had him 9th while again saying the system was pretty terrible
THEY also non-tendered Justin Turner  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2017 3:58 pm : link
again, I am not disputing that they are down on him. I know they are. I am not disputing that he may be a bust. Most of THEIR draft picks have been. I just don't think we've seen enough of him at the MLB level to make any strong determination.
Whoops  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 3:59 pm : link
BP actually dropped him from the top 10, I was looking at the 2017 list. This was their blurb BEFORE his awful season


OFP 50Average major league second baseman
Likely 40Utility guy that makes you cringe a bit when hes your Sunday shortstop
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 4:06 pm : link
call the Cardinals about Schrock. He's TINY but can flat hit and is the kind of grinder we could use.
RE: RE: RE: Yes, I get the sense that the Tigers just let it be known that  
Milton : 12/14/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13740769 Gatorade Dunk said:
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And that's a lot of effort to try to justify wanting a mediocre NL pitcher who is older, more expensive and less effective rather than Fulmer.

They literally said at every opportunity that they are not actively trying to trade Fulmer. By your twisted logic, why would the Pirates trade such a stud (/s) as Cole?
I don't prefer Cole to Fulmer, I just find it a little suspicious the way Avila waxes on and on about teams asking and him listening (next up from him will be a wife-swapping analogy, "If you're at a club and a guy keeps asking your wife to dance...").

And surely you can see why it makes much more sense for the Pirates to part with Cole for prospects. I don't need to explain it to you because you've said the same yourself.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yes, I get the sense that the Tigers just let it be known that  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13740842 Milton said:
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In comment 13740769 Gatorade Dunk said:


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And that's a lot of effort to try to justify wanting a mediocre NL pitcher who is older, more expensive and less effective rather than Fulmer.

They literally said at every opportunity that they are not actively trying to trade Fulmer. By your twisted logic, why would the Pirates trade such a stud (/s) as Cole?

I don't prefer Cole to Fulmer, I just find it a little suspicious the way Avila waxes on and on about teams asking and him listening (next up from him will be a wife-swapping analogy, "If you're at a club and a guy keeps asking your wife to dance...").

And surely you can see why it makes much more sense for the Pirates to part with Cole for prospects. I don't need to explain it to you because you've said the same yourself.

Of course it makes more sense. Because Cole is meh.
Rosenthal says the White Sox have the best deal  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/14/2017 4:52 pm : link
on the table for Machado currently.
Carig confirms the Mets are allegedly thinking like  
pjcas18 : 12/14/2017 5:45 pm : link
me (hopefully) so maybe Matt Reynolds (who was obviously a hyperbolic example) is not the guy, but I'm not touching a top 10 prospect (which is really top 10 - 20 for some teams) for Kipnis.

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When it comes to second base, source says Mets are actually more concerned about giving up talent (which is limited) than they are about taking on some money (go ahead, be skeptical). Anyway, thats why the Mets have so much interest in Jason Kipnis.
Pretty depressing piece by cerrone on metsblog  
bhill410 : 12/14/2017 8:13 pm : link
It is about as close as he will come to insulting the Mets front office and ownership group. You know if he is saying this stuff then they are really in bad straights. I am not going to stop following them but the Wilpons really really make it difficult to root for the team when you are going to be in the bottom third of payroll yet again with a core talent that could compete if you committed to them. Even last year when they spent money they still hedged on a bunch of short term deals and were only middle of pack in payroll.
Carig saying the Mets could explore  
ZGiants98 : 12/14/2017 10:10 pm : link
Cozart for 2B although Mets view it as a "long shot".

PLEASE!
RE: Just listening to Kay...  
dpinzow : 12/14/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13740766 bceagle05 said:
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He said the Yankees are going "full bore" for Machado, and he's heard Machado wants to play in New York, whether it's this year or next. Remember, Kay is close with Buck Showalter, so that's probably the source.

However, he still doesn't think Angelos will sign off on a Yankee deal, and he (Kay) thinks they should wait till free agency rather than deplete their starting pitching supply in the minors.

I know, I know - I hate Kay, too - but his Yankee insights have some value.


I fully believe this on Machado

1. He sees the Yanks are building something unstoppable and wants to be a part of it
2. He detests the Red Sox
3. He always looked up to ARod when he came up to the bigs
RE: Rosenthal says the White Sox have the best deal  
dpinzow : 12/14/2017 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13740866 Dave in Hoboken said:
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on the table for Machado currently.


Yanks actually have the best deal but Angelos won't trade with the Yanks so the White Sox have the best deal the Orioles are looking at. That makes sense. Question is, will the White Sox pay him the money
RE: RE: Rosenthal says the White Sox have the best deal  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/15/2017 12:05 am : link
In comment 13741229 dpinzow said:
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on the table for Machado currently.



Yanks actually have the best deal but Angelos won't trade with the Yanks so the White Sox have the best deal the Orioles are looking at. That makes sense. Question is, will the White Sox pay him the money

Yeah? What's the offer?

None of us actually know. The Yanks have the best pool to deal from, but the White Sox are right there with them. Yes, it's well documented that Angelos is extremely resistant to a trade with the Yanks, but to declare that the Yanks have the best deal is just speculation.
Just sayin'  
Ryan in Albany : 12/15/2017 7:58 am : link

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Today I received information from a good source that no matter what happens...Machado knows he will be with the Yankees....whether in 2018 or 2019...
Orioles can't do anything about it...
Cashman is simply saying...take this or leave it...get something for him or get nothing
In case anyone missed it  
Shecky : 12/15/2017 8:07 am : link
Like clockwork...

I think that the meetings were helpful to help us resolve the bullpen situation and give us a little more clarity on options at other positions, Alderson said shortly before departing. So I think were relatively happy going home.
who is Jeinny Lizarazo?  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:07 am : link
.
Galvis  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 12:20 pm : link
for Enyel De Los Santos. Nice move by Phi
RE: In case anyone missed it  
Modus Operandi : 12/15/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13741356 Shecky said:
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Like clockwork...

I think that the meetings were helpful to help us resolve the bullpen situation and give us a little more clarity on options at other positions, Alderson said shortly before departing. So I think were relatively happy going home.


Did Sandy kick any doors down on the way out?
Sandy has done as well as anyone could under the restrictions  
Eric on Li : 12/15/2017 12:29 pm : link
but I think it's time to move on. Bring back Depo to help with the draft (they obviously need it) and then let him take the reigns next offseason. Let Sandy stay on as team president but give someone else a chance.
Awful-  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 12:29 pm : link
The New York Mets and Minnesota Twins are interested in free agent first baseman Mike Napoli according to Gerry Fraley of Dallas Morning News. The Tampa Bay Rays are also interested per Marc Tompkin of the TB Times.
RE: Sandy has done as well as anyone could under the restrictions  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2017 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13741780 Eric on Li said:
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but I think it's time to move on. Bring back Depo to help with the draft (they obviously need it) and then let him take the reigns next offseason. Let Sandy stay on as team president but give someone else a chance.


I think DePo got a promotion in CLE. From what I read he now reports directly to Haslam, as does the GM and coach.

I thought he'd get tossed with Sashi, but if I read correctly doesn't seem like that is the case, at least not yet.
RE: RE: Sandy has done as well as anyone could under the restrictions  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13741799 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13741780 Eric on Li said:


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but I think it's time to move on. Bring back Depo to help with the draft (they obviously need it) and then let him take the reigns next offseason. Let Sandy stay on as team president but give someone else a chance.



I think DePo got a promotion in CLE. From what I read he now reports directly to Haslam, as does the GM and coach.

I thought he'd get tossed with Sashi, but if I read correctly doesn't seem like that is the case, at least not yet.


New GM apparently shit on DePo
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Mike  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 12:53 pm : link
Napoli's numbers the past 3 seasons? He's been worth 1.1 fWAR TOTAL since opening day 2015, NEGATIVE -0.5 fWAR in 2017 and is 36.
Carlos  
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Great deal  
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For Phillies
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Rodney also had offers from TEX, NYM, DET.

-Kipnis does not have a no-trade (so he has no say) but he does not want to be traded
Dan..  
Sean : 12/15/2017 2:10 pm : link
Is Cerrone still involved with MetsBlog? Cant tell from his Twitter.
Cozart  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 2:12 pm : link
3 for 38 with LAA, Eppler is kicking ass
RE: Dan..  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13741955 Sean said:
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Is Cerrone still involved with MetsBlog? Cant tell from his Twitter.


Yeah he still runs the site.
Mets might be  
spike : 12/15/2017 2:24 pm : link
A 3rd place team next season
.  
arcarsenal : 12/15/2017 2:28 pm : link
Quality players flying off the board.

Mets waiting for their bargain as usual.
If someone said 3 weeks ago  
brunswick : 12/15/2017 3:41 pm : link
Santana would only get 3/60 you would certainly think the Mets would have been involved. It's tough to get difference makers and they just missed out on one.
Mets might be trading Gsellman  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2017 3:45 pm : link
For Villar.
RE: Mets might be trading Gsellman  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13742139 ZGiants98 said:
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For Villar.


Puma says otherwise-
The Mets received the impression Brian Dozier likely wont be dealt by the Twins. And team officials dont view the Brewers Jonathan Villar as a serious possibility at the moment.
How old is  
brunswick : 12/15/2017 3:53 pm : link
Villar?
Ehalt  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 3:55 pm : link
says nothing brewing between the Mets and Indians and Mets not deep in talks for any 2b.
ZZZZ  
brunswick : 12/15/2017 3:56 pm : link
Where did you hear/see that one?
RE: How old is  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13742147 brunswick said:
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Villar?


He's 27 this season. Had an absolutely horrendous 2017, beyond bad. Very good 2016. Awful career outside of 2016.
The latest  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 3:57 pm : link

Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
2m
Hearing there is nothing currently brewing with regards to Jason Kipnis and the Mets. Not that it can't happen, but no traction toward a deal at the moment.


Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
now
Also, the Mets are not hot with any other potential 2B at the moment.
From all the tweets I'm reading  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2017 3:57 pm : link
that's not a great deal for Philly.

it's a good deal for all the other 1B options, based on twitter comments. For example....

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Jeff Passan‏Verified account @JeffPassan
54m54 minutes ago

The consensus on Carlos Santana's $60M deal with the Phillies: It bodes awfully well for free agent hitters. Santana is four years older than Eric Hosmer. A seven-year, $175M ask no longer seems beyond the pale. Good news for Logan Morrison and other available first basemen, too.
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RE: From all the tweets I'm reading  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13742158 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
that's not a great deal for Philly.

it's a good deal for all the other 1B options, based on twitter comments. For example....



Quote:


Jeff Passan‏Verified account @JeffPassan
54m54 minutes ago

The consensus on Carlos Santana's $60M deal with the Phillies: It bodes awfully well for free agent hitters. Santana is four years older than Eric Hosmer. A seven-year, $175M ask no longer seems beyond the pale. Good news for Logan Morrison and other available first basemen, too.
34 replies 54 retweets 107 likes





Just because the AAV is high. People expected 4 years at a lower number but he's older than Hosmer so the AAV bodes well for guys like him.
Dave  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:01 pm : link
Cameron for example had Santana his #1 "bargain" at 4 for 72.

Dave Cameron 4 $18.0 M $72.0 M

"This is bananas. Santana projects as a better player than Edwin Enacnacion did last year, when the latter got 3/$60M after turning down 4/$80M from the Blue Jays. And Encarnacion got that despite only being able to negotiate with the few AL teams that had openings at DH. Santanas market should be much broader, and if he doesnt eclipse Encarnacions $60 million guarantee from last winter, a bunch of teams screwed up. I guessed that hed actually sign for $72 million, but Id probably go as high as $80 million if hed spread it out over five years. Santana might not be a superstar, but hes a good, consistent, durable player who will help his next team more than it seems many people might anticipate."
.  
arcarsenal : 12/15/2017 4:03 pm : link
I like the Santana deal - I would have been very happy with that if we signed him. High AAV but the term is perfect.
More  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:06 pm : link
on Napoli... he hit .196 vs. lefties last season (which would presumably be his role), and 2 position players 36 or older posted 2.0 fWAR last year Grandy/Nelson Cruz.
I'm not saying  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2017 4:08 pm : link
I wouldn't like it if the Mets signed him.

Though part of me wouldn't like it be because it signals the end of Dom Smith at low cost for a player at a relatively high cost that who knows how much of an improvement he'd be.

but my point was in response to the "great deal for Philly" posts. It's not that great IMO unless you see the Phillies as a contender in the next 3 years.

Not sure I do.
RE: I'm not saying  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13742181 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
I wouldn't like it if the Mets signed him.

Though part of me wouldn't like it be because it signals the end of Dom Smith at low cost for a player at a relatively high cost that who knows how much of an improvement he'd be.

but my point was in response to the "great deal for Philly" posts. It's not that great IMO unless you see the Phillies as a contender in the next 3 years.

Not sure I do.


Phillies have an INSANE amount of money to spend upcoming so Santana is a nice add to what they already have. They have something like 7 million committed for 2019 (now 7+ Santana).
Astros  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:10 pm : link
are so well run.

Astros signed RHP Hector Rondon to a two-year, $8.5 million contract. Reportedly also in on Darvish.

Arc  
brunswick : 12/15/2017 4:10 pm : link
Agree 100%. It just appears that the Mets have their minds made up and there is no moving off of their plan. There is absolutely no creativity with the FO. I know we have "limited" funds but there is no excuse for some of the things happening. Why isn't Lagares name floated out there? There was/is no intention to trade Dom Smith...why not? His value is too low...stop already. They need to think out of the box. This team is a disgrace.
As a Yankee fan,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/15/2017 4:11 pm : link
happy Santana left the Indians.
...  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:12 pm : link
Astros designated OF Preston Tucker for assignment.
The move clears a spot on the 40-man roster for the addition of Hector Rondon. Tucker looked like a potentially important part of the Astros' future not long ago, but he's been bypassed by others on the depth chart and spent all of 2017 at Triple-A even though he turned 27 at midseason. Still, he should draw some interest on waivers. Dec 15 - 3:50 PM

(Story was the Mets wanted to draft Tucker 6th round in 2012 but he didn't answer his phone, presumably they would be interested)
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:13 pm : link
love how all of these teams have fanfests but not our Mets. Astros event is totally free too.
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:16 pm : link
question Peter Alonso's defense....


Peter Alonso‏
@PeterAlonso20
3h3 hours ago
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Crushing it this offseason with @Athlete_Retreat! #workingfor2018 #LGM

jon jae‏
@jonjy36
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Replying to @PeterAlonso20 @MBrownstein89 @Athlete_Retreat
Shouldn't you be working on your defense


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Ive been busting my ass in the weight room, taking a bunch of quality defensive reps, and working in the cage with some offensive stuff. Im getting better every day and fixed what was wrong last year. No need to be a prick. Id be happy to video myself taking gbs next time
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:42 pm : link
Jon Heyman‏Verified account
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Swarzak breakdown: $1M signing bonus $5M in 2018, $8M in 2019. #mets
RE: Don't  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2017 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13742197 DanMetroMan said:
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question Peter Alonso's defense....


Peter Alonso‏
@PeterAlonso20
3h3 hours ago
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Crushing it this offseason with @Athlete_Retreat! #workingfor2018 #LGM

jon jae‏
@jonjy36
Follow Follow @jonjy36
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Replying to @PeterAlonso20 @MBrownstein89 @Athlete_Retreat
Shouldn't you be working on your defense


More Peter Alonso Retweeted jon jae
Ive been busting my ass in the weight room, taking a bunch of quality defensive reps, and working in the cage with some offensive stuff. Im getting better every day and fixed what was wrong last year. No need to be a prick. Id be happy to video myself taking gbs next time


It was kind of a douchy thing to say to him. twitter really sucks some times with athletes being so potentially accessible.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 4:52 pm : link
to be clear, that was not me.
RE: Just  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13742245 DanMetroMan said:
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to be clear, that was not me.


I knew it wasn't unless your name is jon jae.

I thought it could be a buddy busting his balls, but based on his response it didn't seem that way.
I really hope the Mets do something stupid in the next hour for 1 last  
Eric on Li : 12/15/2017 5:15 pm : link
Francesa/Mets rant.
RE: I really hope the Mets do something stupid in the next hour for 1 last  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13742266 Eric on Li said:
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Francesa/Mets rant.


ask and you shall receive:

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New York Mets‏Verified account @Mets

We have signed catcher Jos Lobaton to a minor league contract with an invitation to major league Spring Training. #Mets
Lobaton  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 5:20 pm : link
is 33 years old and hit .170 this year (.218 career). He's garbage but will replace Rene Rivera.
They should drop a press release for another sleepover at citi field  
Eric on Li : 12/15/2017 5:25 pm : link
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