Could this be the day we see Machado moved? Do the yankees make a move for a pitcher or a bold one in getting said Machado? Will the Mets make a big splash on the last day. Hopefully it'll be an exciting one after the last few days were a little slow.
Mets were veeeery close on a few trades for position players last night ... keep your eyes peeled next few days
Those deals will define "good now, unbearable later". I guess they're hoping they can pawn their albatrosses off on the Dodgers again in 4 years or so.
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Mets have had serious talks with Cleveland on Jason Kipnis this week, source tells SB Nation. There's been traction there. Fit looks even better with Kinsler to Anaheim.
If they believe he can bounce back and post 2015/2016 numbers, that'd be great - but who the hell knows.
That's a fair question. I don't think the Tigers really have Fulmer on the trade block though, per se; I think it's more that they might have let other GMs know that they're open for business in general and are looking to restock their farm system.
They have a handful of older, big money guys that aren't necessarily going to get tremendous packages in return (see: Kinsler, Ian), and then a bunch of younger guys that also aren't going to get much in return, and then a few guys that are young, cheap and good that could get them multiple chips back (primarily Fulmer and Castellanos). And both of those guys come with their own questions, too - is Castellanos basically a DH-only bat? And, as you note, despite it mostly being considered a NBD procedure, Fulmer is coming off surgery.
If they think they can possibly score 2-3 legitimate MLB players with 1 or more having star potential, that could be reason enough for them to at least listen to offers.
If they believe he can bounce back and post 2015/2016 numbers, that'd be great - but who the hell knows.
He was injured and didnt play much. It was a small sample. I like him better than Kinsler due to age.
You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol
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Kipnis was dreadful last year.
If they believe he can bounce back and post 2015/2016 numbers, that'd be great - but who the hell knows.
He was injured and didnt play much. It was a small sample. I like him better than Kinsler due to age.
Eh, he played more than half the season - I don't think the sample size is too small to draw conclusions from. He sucked.
If it was injury-related and won't be an issue going forward, great. I'm on board if we're not giving up a lot.
Kinsler was coming off a down year too but hes 36 and actually played all of last year.
I couldn't care less if the Mets are veeeeeeeery close to trades or verrrrrrrry close to trades - make something happen, communicate with your fans in a rational way, or just shut up altogether.
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if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.
You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol
Absolutely and I think its you who would be laughed out of the room if you think you could get Kipnis for "just" your LOL funny Matt Reynolds.
Where do you see Matt Reynolds this year?
If it's not Vegas or the bench you're once again overrating your teams non-prospects.
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if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.
You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol
Absolutely and I think its you who would be laughed out of the room if you think you could get Kipnis for "just" your LOL funny Matt Reynolds.
Where do you see Matt Reynolds this year?
If it's not Vegas or the bench you're once again overrating your teams non-prospects.
sorry, miss-read your post. I see you're saying it would cost more than Matt Reynolds.
Of course he would cost more than Matt Reynolds.
My point was I did not want to give up a lot for him. I was obviously not being literal with Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika.
Quite frankly, I dont have an offer on the table, Avila said. Nobodys put forth players in front of my face and said, Hey, well do this.
If a team does offer a blockbuster deal for prospects though, Avila wont rule out the possibility of moving Fulmer, the 2016 American League Rookie of the Year and an All-Star last season.
If they really want to be aggressive, theres a handful of teams that have the players to do it, Avila said. We have not even come close to those type of conversations. Everyones just kind of kicking around to see what the real interest is. Our basic message is Were not trying at this stage to try him. That doesnt mean we wouldnt listen.
What would it take to trade Fulmer?
Well quite frankly I really dont want to get into it because at this stage were not proactively trying to trade him, Avila said. My comment is, theres teams that have interest and in that sense, Well okay. Were not trying to trade him.' I have something. You want it? Tell me what you want.' 'Im not going to tell you what I want because I dont really want to do it.
And on Tuesday...
With Fulmer, were not actively pursuing a trade, Avila said. A couple teams have expressed interest and all were doing is listening and thats really it at this point. I would say that, for us, it pays to listen and see whats out there.
Speaking inside the teams suite at the Walt Disney World Swan & Dolphin Resort, Avila estimated there were only a handful of teams capable of offering the Tigers the type of package they desire to part with Fulmer.
Hes an exciting young pitcher that wed love to have, Avila said. So for us to trade him, it would have to be something that a club would really have to step up and have something significant that we would feel would make us a much better organization moving forward.
That's a lot of verbiage he's devoting to a guy he doesn't want to trade when a simple "I'm always willing to listen but for someone like Fulmer it would take a helluva lot for me to part with him."
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if they get him for Matt Reynolds or Pat Mazeika or someone like that (bottom part of the top 30 prospect or not even on the list), and I used to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt on trades until Merandy Gonzalez for AJ Ramos, so you know Kipnis will cost Gimenez and Szapucki or Nido.
You want a 30 year old two time all star who posted back to back 5 WAR seasons the last time he was healthy for Matt Reynolds? Lol
Absolutely and I think its you who would be laughed out of the room if you think you could get Kipnis for "just" your LOL funny Matt Reynolds.
Where do you see Matt Reynolds this year?
If it's not Vegas or the bench you're once again overrating your teams non-prospects.
Are you drinking today? You think Im overrating Reynolds? What? Reynolds might be removed from the 40 today. Why the hell would I care about him? The joke is you thinking you can get Kipnis for our trash.
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is absolute garbage
I know, I hope he's not on the team this year.
They oddly have one guy every few seasons they have some bizarre affinity for. Mike Baxter, Eric Campbell. Reynolds is really bad and is 27 years old. This supposed "versatility" is such garbage. He can play passable OF? Who cares? Emergency OF is not some great value. "Anyone" can be your 6th OF. Guillorme can do everything Reynolds can do (and better) except play the OF. Phil Evans, same. Reynolds 115 MLB games... 0.0 fWAR.
If Kinsler is still the player he was when he was last healthy in 2015/2016 his contract is the steal of the century. Kinsler is 36 and likely close to finished. Disagree.
No speed, no power. He's legit a player you can find on the waiver wire all season long if need be.
Agreed. I'd rather take on Prado (with some $ kicked in) than either of those guys. Prado would actually be a pretty good fit here in a few different ways.
But in a backup/utility role.
he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.
But in a backup/utility role.
he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.
yup. He's not my first choice, but he's versatile and can still have a good month or two if he's filling in. I wouldn't even mind making 2B a competition between him, Flores, and Cecchini in the spring...
IF IF IF
They spend money elsewhere on impact players either in CF, 1B, BP, 3B.
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on the team. In fact I think he has some value to the Mets.
But in a backup/utility role.
he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.
yup. He's not my first choice, but he's versatile and can still have a good month or two if he's filling in. I wouldn't even mind making 2B a competition between him, Flores, and Cecchini in the spring...
IF IF IF
They spend money elsewhere on impact players either in CF, 1B, BP, 3B.
Cecchini got 82 ab's for a 70 win team (and didn't hit). They don't even mention him anymore. He won't be in the mix.
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on the team. In fact I think he has some value to the Mets.
But in a backup/utility role.
he can fill in at 3B, SS, 2B, can still steal a base, has decent stretches with the bat.
yup. He's not my first choice, but he's versatile and can still have a good month or two if he's filling in. I wouldn't even mind making 2B a competition between him, Flores, and Cecchini in the spring...
IF IF IF
They spend money elsewhere on impact players either in CF, 1B, BP, 3B.
Cecchini got 82 ab's for a 70 win team (and didn't hit). They don't even mention him anymore. He won't be in the mix.
He has 21 career starts. Wouldn't give up on him just yet.
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Again on his own team
Drafted as a guy with a really good glove who would have value if he could become a decent hitter.
Became a complete joke in the field but actually hit quite a bit. Then last year, he pretty much just sucked all around and is rapidly approaching non-prospect territory.
Nimmo (#13)
Cecchini (#12)
Smith (#11)
I know MLB draft is a crap shoot more than some sports, but if Smith doesn't pan out you have three top 13 picks and wind up with a 4th/5th OFer.
And Sandy wonders why the farm system isn't brimming with prospects.
you miss on the 1st round and there's a ripple effect.
Nimmo (#13)
Cecchini (#12)
Smith (#11)
I know MLB draft is a crap shoot more than some sports, but if Smith doesn't pan out you have three top 13 picks and wind up with a 4th/5th OFer.
And Sandy wonders why the farm system isn't brimming with prospects.
you miss on the 1st round and there's a ripple effect.
The Mets don't maximize their draft budget like Atlanta and others do
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interest in trading for Machado. They have turned this around quickly because they have built through the farm system. I was all for the Stanton deal, only cost money basically. But I would not even consider trading a couple of big prospects for Machado when they can sign him next off-season as a free agent. If he signs an extension elsewhere, oh well. The Yankees have put themselves in a nice position here, because they haven't done dumb things like trading away their big prospects for one player and then pay that same players hundreds of millions of dollars.
Agree 100%. Also I want to see Machado this year. His BA/OBP/OPS really tanked this past season. Was it a 1 year aberration or trend? The guy is a young stud and is a great fielder too. Frankly I'd like to try other solutions at 3b right now.
This as well.
He certainly seemed to NOT have a plan, and he called out reporters for no reason, but the pre-Madoff Mets were aggressive.
However, he still doesn't think Angelos will sign off on a Yankee deal, and he (Kay) thinks they should wait till free agency rather than deplete their starting pitching supply in the minors.
I know, I know - I hate Kay, too - but his Yankee insights have some value.
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they're willing to listen to offers, that's all. I don't think they're actively shopping Fulmer.
If his only response was "Hey, I'm always willing to listen" then fine, but he seemed to ramble on and on about it on multiple occasions.
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Avila told Detroit reporters Monday afternoon that Michael Fulmers name keeps on coming up in discussions during the MLB Winter Meetings at the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Resort.
Quite frankly, I dont have an offer on the table, Avila said. Nobodys put forth players in front of my face and said, Hey, well do this.
If a team does offer a blockbuster deal for prospects though, Avila wont rule out the possibility of moving Fulmer, the 2016 American League Rookie of the Year and an All-Star last season.
If they really want to be aggressive, theres a handful of teams that have the players to do it, Avila said. We have not even come close to those type of conversations. Everyones just kind of kicking around to see what the real interest is. Our basic message is Were not trying at this stage to try him. That doesnt mean we wouldnt listen.
What would it take to trade Fulmer?
Well quite frankly I really dont want to get into it because at this stage were not proactively trying to trade him, Avila said. My comment is, theres teams that have interest and in that sense, Well okay. Were not trying to trade him.' I have something. You want it? Tell me what you want.' 'Im not going to tell you what I want because I dont really want to do it.
And on Tuesday...
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Lets say you have an asset, Avila said. Your house. And somebody likes it. You dont have it for sale. But if somebody says, Man, I really like your house and they keep on pursuing you about your house, at some point, you might end up selling it.
With Fulmer, were not actively pursuing a trade, Avila said. A couple teams have expressed interest and all were doing is listening and thats really it at this point. I would say that, for us, it pays to listen and see whats out there.
Speaking inside the teams suite at the Walt Disney World Swan & Dolphin Resort, Avila estimated there were only a handful of teams capable of offering the Tigers the type of package they desire to part with Fulmer.
Hes an exciting young pitcher that wed love to have, Avila said. So for us to trade him, it would have to be something that a club would really have to step up and have something significant that we would feel would make us a much better organization moving forward.
That's a lot of verbiage he's devoting to a guy he doesn't want to trade when a simple "I'm always willing to listen but for someone like Fulmer it would take a helluva lot for me to part with him."
And that's a lot of effort to try to justify wanting a mediocre NL pitcher who is older, more expensive and less effective rather than Fulmer.
They literally said at every opportunity that they are not actively trying to trade Fulmer. By your twisted logic, why would the Pirates trade such a stud (/s) as Cole?
Don't want to turn this into a Mets prospects thread but the TL:DR is that there's reason to believe he had some bad luck last year and a clean slate from a new staff would be a good idea. I know the org was down on him last year and I'm sure there's some reason why, but he's exactly the type contact oriented low strikeout player they have previously mis-evaluated.
The "bad luck" argument is that his #'s in AAA the last 2 years were a lot more similar than people realize except for 1 stat - singles. He had 23 less singles last year. His BABIP dropped and was one of the lowest on Vegas' roster (12th out of 15th among guys over 100 ABs). So the difference between a 128 wRC and an 85 wRC was a bunch of singles (and some situational factors with RBIs and RS).
2016 (499 PA) - 8 homers, 27 doubles, 2 triples, 48 BB, 55 K's
2017 (497 PA) - 6 homers, 27 doubles, 3 triples, 40 BB, 61 K's
A year ago his biggest issue was throwing errors which were mostly corrected with the move from SS to 2B (8 errors there). In a pretty weak system, especially at the higher levels, he's not someone I'd sell low on.