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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/14/2017 8:09 am
Some interesting quotes from players in this article...
Giants rave about Davis Webb’s ‘Wow’ factor, now let him play - ( New Window )
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RE: RE: pretty tired  
Dodge : 12/14/2017 9:06 am : link
In comment 13739899 HomerJones45 said:
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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.


You are right. Save wear and tear on Eli and play this guy who isn't of any use other than cannon fodder anyway. He could go into the concussion protocol once a week and it wouldn't matter to the team's long-term prospects.


You sound like a moron.
Webb  
Miamijints : 12/14/2017 9:11 am : link
will get some game reps this season imo. They will need game tape for the new regime. I bet he will be active in this Eagles game.
RE: Webb  
Britt in VA : 12/14/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13739905 Miamijints said:
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will get some game reps this season imo. They will need game tape for the new regime. I bet he will be active in this Eagles game.


Spagnuolo said yesterday that Webb will be inactive for the Eagles game, and there will be no change to his status in practice.
Webb s status now  
joeinpa : 12/14/2017 9:18 am : link
As compared to what we heard when MacAdoo made the change demonstrates how much the coaching staff and Mara were not on same page.
All I read about this kid sounds good.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/14/2017 9:28 am : link
I'm just confused as to what the Giants are doing with him. I guess there's a plan, though I admit I have no idea what it is.
article  
Andy in Boston : 12/14/2017 9:29 am : link
gotta see him play to see what we have....even if its only 2 games.
When you read an article like this, it makes you not want to draft a QB with the 2nd pick....makes you want to draft another player at another position, like OL passs rusher or RB.
It's likely that the contingent of posters  
Overseer : 12/14/2017 9:31 am : link
who are in love with Eli Manning simply want to see him pad his stats so he can climb the all-time yardage and TD (and also INT) list to bolster his shaky resume for Canton, independent of whether it helps/hurts the Giants into next season and long-term.
RE: and to be fair to him, does it really help him to play with this  
micky : 12/14/2017 9:31 am : link
In comment 13739871 Victor in CT said:
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shit offensive scheme, bad OL and no WRs?


not for nothing, isn't playing at this level no matter how bad support group is better than what he played with in college?
Sounds like the Giants  
Beer Man : 12/14/2017 9:36 am : link
version of Brian Drew. High character, hard working guy who loves and is dedicated to the game of football.
RE: RE: RE: pretty tired  
njm : 12/14/2017 9:37 am : link
In comment 13739903 Dodge said:
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In comment 13739899 HomerJones45 said:


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In comment 13739891 hitdog42 said:


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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.


You are right. Save wear and tear on Eli and play this guy who isn't of any use other than cannon fodder anyway. He could go into the concussion protocol once a week and it wouldn't matter to the team's long-term prospects.



You sound like a moron.


Sound like?
RE: All I read about this kid sounds good.  
njm : 12/14/2017 9:37 am : link
In comment 13739930 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm just confused as to what the Giants are doing with him. I guess there's a plan, though I admit I have no idea what it is.


Well said.
Criticism of Webb is funny to me...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/14/2017 9:46 am : link
like anyone here has any solid read on how he might play.

Hey - here's an interesting question. Eli's starting and planning to play the entire game this week against the Eagles. This simulator predicts the Giants will score 10.8 points.

Anyone think the Giants offense with Eli in there will beat that amount? Our last four games we've scored over 12 points one time - when Geno started.

Not arguing that we'd score more with either Geno or Webb, just saying that it's a good thing we're taking our HOF QB and putting him in what is almost certainly a no-win situation against Philly and "protecting" the rookie, especially given the idea that wins can only hurt our draft position at this point.
RE: pretty tired  
TrueBlue56 : 12/14/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13739891 hitdog42 said:
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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.


I am wondering if you ever heard of a quarterback by the name of David Carr?? The beating he took while with the Texans was absolutely horrendous and I believe it really effected his career, because he spent more time running for his life than actually being a quarterback. His mechanics got screwed up, he was always hearing footsteps and he rushed everything.

Eli Manning is a veteran quarterback who can read defenses, make adjustments and knows he has to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball, and you have seen him struggle with the lack of talent on offense.

Webb has no NFL experience, he has to learn to read defenses, how to scan the field quickly to find an open WR and make adjustments in protection.

What do you think you will learn from seeing Webb? His ability to take a hit? The ability to run for his life?

Webb came in as a developmental quarterback who needed to be coached up. Rushing his development and throwing him behind this offensive line with no name WR's and no running game is a recipe for disaster.

This is not about Eli Manning, this is about letting any quarterback grow and learn within a system that gives him an opportunity to be successful.

No downside?? David Carr would disagree
Look  
mdthedream : 12/14/2017 10:17 am : link
I understand if he struggles its hard to evaluate him but if he goes out and the team scores 21 points and he throws 2 Tds it is something to go on. If he goes out there and can't even produce backup numbers it tells you something. He could be a decent QB but at the position we pick we should want a great QB.
RE: RE: pretty tired  
Dan in the Springs : 12/14/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13739986 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 13739891 hitdog42 said:


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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.




I am wondering if you ever heard of a quarterback by the name of David Carr?? The beating he took while with the Texans was absolutely horrendous and I believe it really effected his career, because he spent more time running for his life than actually being a quarterback. His mechanics got screwed up, he was always hearing footsteps and he rushed everything.

Eli Manning is a veteran quarterback who can read defenses, make adjustments and knows he has to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball, and you have seen him struggle with the lack of talent on offense.

Webb has no NFL experience, he has to learn to read defenses, how to scan the field quickly to find an open WR and make adjustments in protection.

What do you think you will learn from seeing Webb? His ability to take a hit? The ability to run for his life?

Webb came in as a developmental quarterback who needed to be coached up. Rushing his development and throwing him behind this offensive line with no name WR's and no running game is a recipe for disaster.

This is not about Eli Manning, this is about letting any quarterback grow and learn within a system that gives him an opportunity to be successful.

No downside?? David Carr would disagree


Comparisons to what David Carr faced are quite unfair, imo. We're talking about starting him for a couple of games, not a couple of years.

Also, for the umpteenth time, the benefits go beyond evaluating him - it's giving him time to learn from some adversity.

For every David Carr there are also QB's who have succeeded in spite of rough starts to their career.
yeah like "WOW" he can't even beat out Geno  
est1986 : 12/14/2017 10:19 am : link
"WOW" he isn't even practicing with the 1s as of week 14
"WOW" another wasted third round pick
"WOW" we don't even get to look at the QB we just drafted in round 3 before we draft another one top 5
Look at this offense with Eli....  
Doomster : 12/14/2017 10:24 am : link
It only moves when the game is tied or the Giants have the lead......they fall behind and they are done.....

Webb should be getting some playing time....if he doesn't, because he is not that good, it's another addition to Reese's legacy.....
RE: RE: pretty tired  
Photoguy : 12/14/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13739986 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 13739891 hitdog42 said:


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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.




I am wondering if you ever heard of a quarterback by the name of David Carr?? The beating he took while with the Texans was absolutely horrendous and I believe it really effected his career, because he spent more time running for his life than actually being a quarterback. His mechanics got screwed up, he was always hearing footsteps and he rushed everything.

Eli Manning is a veteran quarterback who can read defenses, make adjustments and knows he has to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball, and you have seen him struggle with the lack of talent on offense.

Webb has no NFL experience, he has to learn to read defenses, how to scan the field quickly to find an open WR and make adjustments in protection.

What do you think you will learn from seeing Webb? His ability to take a hit? The ability to run for his life?

Webb came in as a developmental quarterback who needed to be coached up. Rushing his development and throwing him behind this offensive line with no name WR's and no running game is a recipe for disaster.

This is not about Eli Manning, this is about letting any quarterback grow and learn within a system that gives him an opportunity to be successful.

No downside?? David Carr would disagree


Actually, I think that's what they want------Webb carried out on his shield to pave the way for Darnold/Rosen.
so david carr is the only rookie QB with a meh OL  
hitdog42 : 12/14/2017 10:30 am : link
and BTW they run entirely different offenses... the giants being a 3 step drop west coast offense.
but why try to make similar comparisons when you can make the one that kind of maybe fits a narrative.

thats giants current scheme is simple. that is partly why we dont score and also why its easy to put in Webb
He's beginning to look like Hostletler...  
MOOPS : 12/14/2017 10:32 am : link
with that mustache. That's a start.
Question for Serby: Shouldn’t it be the coaches  
BBelle21 : 12/14/2017 10:37 am : link
Raving about any “Wow” factor from Webb? And how do you determine wow factor on scout team?
what is the profit sharing and revenue on Eli manning jerseys lately?  
mdc1 : 12/14/2017 10:43 am : link
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The Giants wont find a QB  
Powerclean765 : 12/14/2017 10:44 am : link
with a better skillset in this draft. GREAT position to fleece a team looking to “sell the farm” for a QB.
RE: RE: Webb  
Miamijints : 12/14/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13739908 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13739905 Miamijints said:


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will get some game reps this season imo. They will need game tape for the new regime. I bet he will be active in this Eagles game.



Spagnuolo said yesterday that Webb will be inactive for the Eagles game, and there will be no change to his status in practice.



Thanks for the reminder Brit.
Giants provided the comments in the story  
Jimmy Googs : 12/14/2017 10:50 am : link
to prop up Webb's value. Wow factor is the sales pitch.

We are secretly trying to trade him for another first round pick...
I continue to be impressed with how well Webb  
Brown Recluse : 12/14/2017 11:14 am : link
answers questions.

He definitely has a confidence and swagger about him, and he seems to think he's come a long way since training camp. I'm really interested to see what he can do on the field, but I don't think it will happen this season.
I'm putting my name on this  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2017 11:32 am : link
Webb is going to be VERY good for a VERY long time.

He has "it", both mentally and physically.

He is also made for NY.

I'm actually a little bit disappointed that we wound up THIS bad. If we were picking in the 10-15 range, which it seems like we are 80% of the time then we wouldn't be going GAGA over a QB and Webb would get his shot.

I get it though- you don't pick in the top 3 in a great QB draft with a 36 year old QB and pass on one. You have to hitch your wagons to the high pick and hope for the best.

If nothing else I think the Giants are going to have a GREAT backup for the next 3 years.
RE: yeah like  
MotownGIANTS : 12/14/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13740003 est1986 said:
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"WOW" he isn't even practicing with the 1s as of week 14
"WOW" another wasted third round pick
"WOW" we don't even get to look at the QB we just drafted in round 3 before we draft another one top 5


Was he really allowed to beat out Geno?
Prediction:  
CT Charlie : 12/14/2017 11:38 am : link
Webb will get a few snaps in the Arizona game, just because they don't want his first exposure to be in the northeast in December. Also, if he does badly, they don't want to feed the boo-birds.

I too think he'll be a starter in the NFL, though it's just a gut feeling. Like everyone else here, I'd love it if he became a top-15 QB and gave us stability for years. (Love it more if he's top-5, but I'd settle for longevity.) He's got the mental/emotional/verbal discipline that would be good for the New York fans and press.
RE: what is the profit sharing and revenue on Eli manning jerseys lately?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13740051 mdc1 said:
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All NFL jersey sales are shared equally by all teams. There's a lot of dumb reasons that have played into the mismanagement of the past few weeks, but jersey sales profits are not one of them.
RE: RE: Webb  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13739908 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13739905 Miamijints said:


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will get some game reps this season imo. They will need game tape for the new regime. I bet he will be active in this Eagles game.



Spagnuolo said yesterday that Webb will be inactive for the Eagles game, and there will be no change to his status in practice.

And Spagnuolo is a tremendous head coach, as evidenced by his work here as well as with the Rams, so he's definitely infallible here.
RE: RE: RE: pretty tired  
HomerJones45 : 12/14/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13739903 Dodge said:
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In comment 13739899 HomerJones45 said:


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In comment 13739891 hitdog42 said:


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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.


You are right. Save wear and tear on Eli and play this guy who isn't of any use other than cannon fodder anyway. He could go into the concussion protocol once a week and it wouldn't matter to the team's long-term prospects.



You sound like a moron.
Try thinking for yourself. It will no doubt hurt your brain which appears to go unused, but some good may come from it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: pretty tired  
HomerJones45 : 12/14/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13739946 njm said:
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In comment 13739903 Dodge said:


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In comment 13739899 HomerJones45 said:


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In comment 13739891 hitdog42 said:


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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.


You are right. Save wear and tear on Eli and play this guy who isn't of any use other than cannon fodder anyway. He could go into the concussion protocol once a week and it wouldn't matter to the team's long-term prospects.



You sound like a moron.



Sound like?
Very droll. The only way Webb ever sees the #2 qb spot is if GM Jr decides to spend our #1 on some guard from Boston College in which case he'd a bigger dope than you and Dodge.
RE: pretty tired  
clatterbuck : 12/14/2017 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13739891 hitdog42 said:
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of hearing the "why would you put him out there with this OL and WR" nonsense...

there is no downside... other than people who want Eli to play every snap until he is 50 being sad.


Ask David Carr about no downside.
RE: Giants provided the comments in the story  
clatterbuck : 12/14/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13740072 Jimmy Googs said:
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to prop up Webb's value. Wow factor is the sales pitch.

We are secretly trying to trade him for another first round pick...


Giants made up the quotes? Giants made up the quotes and enlisted Engram and Adams in the conspiracy. Giants enlisted Engram, Adams, and Steve Serby in the conspiracy?
David Carr?  
KWALL2 : 12/14/2017 12:39 pm : link
He needed a year to learn how to take a snap under center too?

The guy played 35 college games but he needs a year to sit and watch? And to learn the highly difficult skill of taking a snap from center? That's BS.

The team failed to get him ready earlier. That was a big mistake after week 6.

However, he knows the plays. Just 1-2 weeks ago they could have had him ready for several starts. Instead? We put in Geno and go back to Ei. And now he still doesn't get any reps in practice. Solid plan.
You can not learn from a couple of games about a QB  
larryflower37 : 12/14/2017 12:49 pm : link
Look at ELI, Peyton, Aikman ETC.

If they believe he is the one, you will need to sit Eli and the whole organization needs to back him up through the tough times. He is not going to show anything in 3 games and it could kill his confidence.
Sounds like we get another year of Eli than it will be time to pull the plug and move on to a new QB.
RE: David Carr?  
DonQuixote : 12/14/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13740342 KWALL2 said:
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He needed a year to learn how to take a snap under center too?

The guy played 35 college games but he needs a year to sit and watch? And to learn the highly difficult skill of taking a snap from center? That's BS.

The team failed to get him ready earlier. That was a big mistake after week 6.

However, he knows the plays. Just 1-2 weeks ago they could have had him ready for several starts. Instead? We put in Geno and go back to Ei. And now he still doesn't get any reps in practice. Solid plan.

^
RE: You can not learn from a couple of games about a QB  
Victor in CT : 12/14/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13740378 larryflower37 said:
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Look at ELI, Peyton, Aikman ETC.

If they believe he is the one, you will need to sit Eli and the whole organization needs to back him up through the tough times. He is not going to show anything in 3 games and it could kill his confidence.
Sounds like we get another year of Eli than it will be time to pull the plug and move on to a new QB.


good post
Webb  
Giantslifer : 12/14/2017 2:09 pm : link
If the Giants don't play Webb significantly these remaining games, they will start down path to becoming Jets. How many QB's for Jets? Webb has been rated as high as the QB's this year. "He is a 1st round talent"according to last years draft scouts

Neither Rosen or Darnold have proven anything. Webb is bigger than both and supposedly has stronger arm. Not sure about mobility.
If Eli went down wouldn't Webb be put in? SO, put him in.
The rebuild will take more than one year, stock up on OL,DL,LB (supposedly good year for OL/DL)
Let Webb play , see what his ability is. GO from there.
Good QB's are always found in later rounds.
It is not just the games  
Vanzetti : 12/14/2017 3:26 pm : link
he needs to be taking snaps with the real offense, not running the scout team

There is absolutely no doubt that being third on the QB depth chart does not maximize one's development.
Jerrel Jernigan needs more snaps!  
widmerseyebrow : 12/14/2017 3:42 pm : link
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RE: David Carr?  
ron mexico : 12/14/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13740342 KWALL2 said:
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He needed a year to learn how to take a snap under center too?

The guy played 35 college games but he needs a year to sit and watch? And to learn the highly difficult skill of taking a snap from center? That's BS.

The team failed to get him ready earlier. That was a big mistake after week 6.

However, he knows the plays. Just 1-2 weeks ago they could have had him ready for several starts. Instead? We put in Geno and go back to Ei. And now he still doesn't get any reps in practice. Solid plan.


I hope you know when they say "he has to learn to play under center" they are not talking about the ability to physically accept the ball from the center.
RE: Webb  
Giantslifer : 12/14/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13740563 Giantslifer said:
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If the Giants don't play Webb significantly these remaining games, they will start down path to becoming Jets. How many QB's for Jets? Webb has been rated as high as the QB's this year. "He is a 1st round talent"according to last years draft scouts

Neither Rosen or Darnold have proven anything. Webb is bigger than both and supposedly has stronger arm. Not sure about mobility.
If Eli went down wouldn't Webb be put in? SO, put him in.
The rebuild will take more than one year, stock up on OL,DL,LB (supposedly good year for OL/DL)
Let Webb play , see what his ability is. GO from there.
Good QB's are always found in later rounds.


OR - The Giants are sandbagging the entire league by hiding Webb. They realize they have the next great QB and are hiding him so everyone in league thinks they are incompetent.
Then they can get many many draft picks by everyone thinking they are going QB in round 1.
RE: RE: Webb  
eclipz928 : 12/14/2017 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13740902 Giantslifer said:
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In comment 13740563 Giantslifer said:


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If the Giants don't play Webb significantly these remaining games, they will start down path to becoming Jets. How many QB's for Jets? Webb has been rated as high as the QB's this year. "He is a 1st round talent"according to last years draft scouts

Neither Rosen or Darnold have proven anything. Webb is bigger than both and supposedly has stronger arm. Not sure about mobility.
If Eli went down wouldn't Webb be put in? SO, put him in.
The rebuild will take more than one year, stock up on OL,DL,LB (supposedly good year for OL/DL)
Let Webb play , see what his ability is. GO from there.
Good QB's are always found in later rounds.



OR - The Giants are sandbagging the entire league by hiding Webb. They realize they have the next great QB and are hiding him so everyone in league thinks they are incompetent.
Then they can get many many draft picks by everyone thinking they are going QB in round 1.


I REALLY wish this was the case, but sadly I think this is just fruitless effort for Mara to save face by putting Eli back, in addition to Spags wanting to put forward the QB that best gives him a shot of winning games and keeping his job.
out of curiousity  
tony71 : 12/14/2017 6:47 pm : link
and not implying anything about Webb. What was the status of Aaron Rodgers after he was drafted? was he the back up to Farve that first year? I know he was a 1st round pick,and waited 3 years or something to start, but i honestly dont remember if he was the back up right away or not, and not playing didnt seem to hurt him much. I personally dont see anything wrong with Web sitting behind Eli waiting. Granted Id prefer it that Geno wasnt the number two, but i get that Web is a rookie and it will help him in the long run,watching and learning. At the same time the offense sucks bad and is missing so many players , and i can see that being a bit unfair to judge him properly with that too. I get that the we are looking at a top 3 or so draft pick, and of course there are QBs to be had that high, so automatically people expect you to get the top ones available, but are anyone of them a 100% lock on being worth it? I like Webbs attitude, and the time and effort he puts into football,and by all accounts this kid is smart when it comes to the game. Plus seems like he learning from Eli what it takes to deal with the media, and be the face of an organization. I dont follow college football, so i usually read up on the positions at draft time here. How does Webb actually compare to this years QBs? and does being in the nfl for a season give him more advantage over them?
yes  
giantfan2000 : 12/14/2017 6:59 pm : link
let's put Sean Bennett in the backfield
Rodgers was the backup right away  
Banks : 12/14/2017 7:00 pm : link
No idea how quickly he came up to speed. The packers lacked everything the year he was drafted. I don't think he saw signifcant time until Thanksgiving in 2007
RE: The Giants wont find a QB  
Jay on the Island : 12/14/2017 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13740055 Powerclean765 said:
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with a better skillset in this draft. GREAT position to fleece a team looking to “sell the farm” for a QB.

You can't be serious. Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, and Rudolph all have better skillsets than Webb.
I expect the Giants to praise Webb  
Jay on the Island : 12/14/2017 7:52 pm : link
quite a bit leading up to the draft and still come away with a QB in the first round.
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