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Lowell : 12/14/2017 10:03 am
How do Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Allen rank compared to your pre-draft rankings of Goff and Wentz?
That is a  
jvm52106 : 12/14/2017 10:31 am : link
great question. Too often people ask for rankings of the palyers against each other, as if it is in a vacuum. Systems, coaching staffs and rosters play a big role in the best QB for your team. BUT, looking at these guys as a whole against recent HIGH QB draft picks is interesting. If the group falls short of either of those two it may be time to think a bit more about a slight trade down.
I will be sure to answer that  
Sy'56 : 12/14/2017 10:54 am : link
And it will be strictly off my college grades, as you requested. I am still working on grading these QBs...but

I had Goff pretty close to elite. Went a little lower but still a grade that could warrant a top 10 pick considering he is a QB.

My initial thought is I will have Rosen right there with the two of them and possibly Mayfield.

Allen I will have in the round 2/3 area, Darnold is a wild card. I havent been impressed by him pretty much all season and I think he won't have a 1st round grade on my sheet.

So without knowing my end grades for this year, I would unofficially rank them coming out:

1 - Goff
2 - Rosen
3 - Wentz
4 - Mayfield
5 - Darnold
6 - Allen
Thanks for your perspective Sy  
Lowell : 12/14/2017 11:03 am : link
Your feelings on Darnold certainly go against the BBI grain. A contrario.









What are your top 3 factors  
superspynyg : 12/14/2017 11:03 am : link
when grading qbs Sy?
...  
26.2 : 12/14/2017 11:21 am : link
What do you think of Jake Browning (UW)?
interesting about Darnold Sy. I can't wait to read your QB  
Victor in CT : 12/14/2017 11:41 am : link
scouting reports
RE: What are your top 3 factors  
Sy'56 : 12/14/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13740102 superspynyg said:
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when grading qbs Sy?


Tough question to answer. In short:

1) Elevated level of play in tight situations

2) Accuracy

3) Addicted to football/winning/working
Sy, I thought you had Mayfield rated more highly than Rosen?  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 11:47 am : link
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BTW, any chance Kurt Benkert gets drafted?  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 11:48 am : link
He's got the tools to make an NFL roster, but is so inconsistent.
RE: BTW, any chance Kurt Benkert gets drafted?  
Victor in CT : 12/14/2017 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13740234 Greg from LI said:
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He's got the tools to make an NFL roster, but is so inconsistent.


is he a Benkert of Benkert's Bakery in Centereach fame? :- ) Best jelly donuts ever when the originals owned it
What Were Your Thoughts on Webb  
clatterbuck : 12/14/2017 12:16 pm : link
relative to last year's QB class?
clatterbuck, here is Sy's 2017 Draft QB Preview.  
Victor in CT : 12/14/2017 12:21 pm : link
6 – Davis Webb – California – 6’5/229: 74

Summary: Fourth year senior that graduated from Texas Tech early and was able to transfer to California for a graduate season. He earned Honorable Mention All Pac 12 honors in 2017, replacing last year’s top overall pick Jared Goff. Webb took advantage of his opportunity and displayed an NFL ability. His size and easy throwing motion can get you excited, but he has a ways to go in terms of progression and learning. Webb is a couple years away and will have to spend a lot of time correcting elements such as a footwork, lower body mechanics, and reading a defense, among other things. Possible starter down the road, but more likely a backup.

*Webb is a hot name with some of the people I get to talk with…and others think he won’t ever be a starter. Nobody denies the talent, but he has a ways to go. I’ve watched every game of his from 2016 and he does the same things week in and week out that bother me. He has to completely change his game and while I think it is possible, it’s simply unlikely.

Upside Pro Comparison: Brock Osweiler – CLE


New York Giants 2017 NFL Draft Preview: Quarterbacks - ( New Window )
And what were your thoughts on Pat Mahomes?  
Milton : 12/14/2017 12:22 pm : link
Mahomes is a guy who I think compares to Josh Allen (albeit at a higher level of competition and with a much better surrounding cast).
hah...no, I don't think so  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 12:25 pm : link
Kurt's from Florida.
RE: clatterbuck, here is Sy's 2017 Draft QB Preview.  
clatterbuck : 12/14/2017 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13740312 Victor in CT said:
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6 – Davis Webb – California – 6’5/229: 74

Summary: Fourth year senior that graduated from Texas Tech early and was able to transfer to California for a graduate season. He earned Honorable Mention All Pac 12 honors in 2017, replacing last year’s top overall pick Jared Goff. Webb took advantage of his opportunity and displayed an NFL ability. His size and easy throwing motion can get you excited, but he has a ways to go in terms of progression and learning. Webb is a couple years away and will have to spend a lot of time correcting elements such as a footwork, lower body mechanics, and reading a defense, among other things. Possible starter down the road, but more likely a backup.

*Webb is a hot name with some of the people I get to talk with…and others think he won’t ever be a starter. Nobody denies the talent, but he has a ways to go. I’ve watched every game of his from 2016 and he does the same things week in and week out that bother me. He has to completely change his game and while I think it is possible, it’s simply unlikely.

Upside Pro Comparison: Brock Osweiler – CLE
New York Giants 2017 NFL Draft Preview: Quarterbacks - ( New Window )


Thank you.
Pure speculation  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/14/2017 12:42 pm : link
but an interesting thought: What if Rosen is the only QB the Giants have a top 10 grade on?

I'm sure the Giants would love a franchise QB, but it's plausible that they won't feel that one is on the board if Cleveland takes Rosen.
So where is Lamar Jackson in this conversation ?  
larryflower37 : 12/14/2017 12:43 pm : link
Most mocks have him going in the top 15 picks.
But he is not on your list?
I predict the first QBs off the board will be ...  
DonQuixote : 12/14/2017 1:22 pm : link
Rosen and Allen, not saying what order...just a hunch.
RE: Pure speculation  
adamg : 12/14/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13740354 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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but an interesting thought: What if Rosen is the only QB the Giants have a top 10 grade on?

I'm sure the Giants would love a franchise QB, but it's plausible that they won't feel that one is on the board if Cleveland takes Rosen.


I think that's totally possible. And that they end up taking Barkley or trading down.

Personally, I'm on the Rosen bandwagon. I think he's the guy to get. I'm hoping the Browns pull a Browns and take Mayfield or Darnold and leave Rosen for the Giants at 2.
RE: Sy, I thought you had Mayfield rated more highly than Rosen?  
Sy'56 : 12/14/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13740228 Greg from LI said:
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He is heading in that direction. I am back and forth on both right now.
IIRC, Dave Te loved Josh Allen heading into this year...  
BurberryManning : 12/14/2017 2:31 pm : link
but I think he cooled on him a bit during the season. Interested to hear his perspective...
I'm still a Mayfield guy  
Greg from LI : 12/14/2017 2:42 pm : link
He just seems to have "it" more than the others. Although he doesn't always control it, I do love the fiery QBs. Simms was that way, always loved that about him.
RE: So where is Lamar Jackson in this conversation ?  
allstarjim : 12/14/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13740358 larryflower37 said:
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Most mocks have him going in the top 15 picks.
But he is not on your list?


He has said earlier that he doesn't view Lamar Jackson as an NFL QB. I agree with him on this. We part on our view of Darnold.
RE: RE: Sy, I thought you had Mayfield rated more highly than Rosen?  
Thegratefulhead : 12/14/2017 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13740596 Sy'56 said:
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He is heading in that direction. I am back and forth on both right now.
Is it reasonable to say that if Mayfield makes it to the championship game plays like he has all year against the nations best he goes to the top?
RE: RE: RE: Sy, I thought you had Mayfield rated more highly than Rosen?  
Sy'56 : 12/14/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13740916 Thegratefulhead said:
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He is heading in that direction. I am back and forth on both right now.

Is it reasonable to say that if Mayfield makes it to the championship game plays like he has all year against the nations best he goes to the top?


It would help, yes. Argument against him is that defense in the Big 12 is downright awful. If he goes out and dominates these defenses...you have to boost him.
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