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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 10:41 am
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very weird. I don’t mean that in a bad way, or even a judgmental one. I mean that he is constantly, at all times, consumed by child-like wonder, and that this is an unusual way for adults that play in the NBA (or do anything, really) to be.

It’s not as if Beasley has lost a step. Nearly a decade and two stints in the Chinese Basketball Association later, this former No. 2. overall pick is still obviously blessed with unusual talent. If it is a bucket you seek, he can procure a bucket. He will find a way. He will batter his way down low with his butt, he will roll off his defender like water, he will explode right past the sturdy and spidery Julius Randle. Sit back and watch Beas work. He can get you the bucket. He wants to get you the bucket. Don’t worry about it.

But watch him improvise in the interstitial spaces between jump shot and layup—strange little leaners, floaters, and tip-ins emerge from his hands, smoother than they have any right to be. Catch him mid-flight, teetering back at a 45-degree angle with three enemy limbs clotting his field of vision, and still his body maintains its simple stoned composure. “A lot of his shots may look like they’re off balance, but those are shots he shoots and makes all the time,” Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek said last night. I submit that when Michael Beasley is playing even reasonably well—in that humble subset of NBA games—he has one of the most telegenic offensive repertoires in the league.



Around the league

Melo 4-14 (yikes)
Adams 23 and 13 (one of my favorite non-Knicks)

Obviously not a great player but you know who is pretty underrated? Thad Young. Consistently solid
Hezonja 17 and 9, 4 assists, 3 blocks
Lyles 9 and 6 (really looking like a player this season)
Tatum 15 and 4
Mitchell 32, 3 and 6. No knock on Frank but Mitchell has been incredible lately
Dunn 13, 7 and 8 (quietly having a solid run)
Wow. The Bulls were 3-20 last week, they have now won 4 in a row including wins vs. the Celtics, Knicks and Jazz.
Greek Freak 32, 9 and 5
Josh Jackson has been terrible
Monk 5 minutes played...
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raise your hand if you thought we stole McBuckets and Kanter  
Enzo : 12/14/2017 1:04 pm : link
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when that trade happened lol.


Kanter has mostly been as expected, right? McDermott has been a nice surprise. But the upside going forward for both of them was always going to be somewhat mitigated by their respective contract situations. Final evaluation of this deal will be made when we see their next contracts.


There isn’t a Knicks fan on the planet that expected this kind of contribution from Kanter.


you're right, he's totally been a different player since coming over! Oh wait, that's total bullshit. He's not doing anything that he hasn't previously shown in his career. His PER is basically identical to what he posted in the last 2 years.



Sorry, this is utter nonsense. PER does not reflect defense outside of blocks and steals. Kanter has a positive DBPM and DRPM for the first time in his career. Playing next to a guy like KP who is a dominant rim protector has changed him defensively. I'm still not sold that KP wouldn't be better as a 5 with a defensive minded, switchable 4 next to him, but Kanter has definitely been WAY better defensively this year then anytime in his career.

So he's better because he doesn't have to worry about protecting the rim as much? Ok...
Presti built the Thunder but also destroyed them  
Vanzetti : 12/14/2017 1:41 pm : link
Traded Harden before he developed into a superstar, getting a very poor return

Lost Durant for nothing

Then the Melo trade
Don't forget the George trade.  
Keith : 12/14/2017 1:43 pm : link
Sabonis and Oladipo look fantastic.
RE: Jackson  
TyreeHelmet : 12/14/2017 2:06 pm : link
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has been awful, Bender awful, Chriss awful... Len looks like he's having a breakout and I love Booker but the Suns have not had much luck via the draft (100000% not giving up on Jackson, or even Chriss, Bender probably just sucks)


I remember thinking the Suns KP trade talks were laughable. "Booker was untouchable". If I were Phoenix I would have given up anyone on the roster for KP. Booker is a nice player but his ceiling is nowhere near KP and he's also a terrible defender.

Thank god Phil wasn't allowed to make any KP trade. There's not many players in the NBA I would consider trading him for. He's not a top 5 player yet, but his trade value may be in the top 5 range. He simply does things that very few if any players are capable of doing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raise your hand if you thought we stole McBuckets and Kanter  
Sgrcts : 12/14/2017 2:20 pm : link
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when that trade happened lol.


Kanter has mostly been as expected, right? McDermott has been a nice surprise. But the upside going forward for both of them was always going to be somewhat mitigated by their respective contract situations. Final evaluation of this deal will be made when we see their next contracts.


There isn’t a Knicks fan on the planet that expected this kind of contribution from Kanter.


you're right, he's totally been a different player since coming over! Oh wait, that's total bullshit. He's not doing anything that he hasn't previously shown in his career. His PER is basically identical to what he posted in the last 2 years.



Sorry, this is utter nonsense. PER does not reflect defense outside of blocks and steals. Kanter has a positive DBPM and DRPM for the first time in his career. Playing next to a guy like KP who is a dominant rim protector has changed him defensively. I'm still not sold that KP wouldn't be better as a 5 with a defensive minded, switchable 4 next to him, but Kanter has definitely been WAY better defensively this year then anytime in his career.


So he's better because he doesn't have to worry about protecting the rim as much? Ok...


Why is that weird? Players aren't robots, of course they will look better in certain roles. He'll never be a plus defender, but for the first time in his career he's not a negative one. Absolutely role plays a part in that.
RE: RE: Jackson  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:27 pm : link
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has been awful, Bender awful, Chriss awful... Len looks like he's having a breakout and I love Booker but the Suns have not had much luck via the draft (100000% not giving up on Jackson, or even Chriss, Bender probably just sucks)



I remember thinking the Suns KP trade talks were laughable. "Booker was untouchable". If I were Phoenix I would have given up anyone on the roster for KP. Booker is a nice player but his ceiling is nowhere near KP and he's also a terrible defender.

Thank god Phil wasn't allowed to make any KP trade. There's not many players in the NBA I would consider trading him for. He's not a top 5 player yet, but his trade value may be in the top 5 range. He simply does things that very few if any players are capable of doing.


I legit had trouble sleeping the night where the KP/Suns/Celtics stuff were at their peak. I didn't want to trade him under any realistic circumstances but the only way it made any sense was a Celtics picks/young talent "overpay". A chance to add 3-4 young pieces. I still wouldn't have celebrated but I would have "accepted". The Suns stuff was horrifying. Imagine this same team minus KP and with Josh Jackson/Bledsoe/Bender... horrific.
Right now  
Sgrcts : 12/14/2017 2:33 pm : link
you can make the case that KP has as much trade value as any player in the NBA. The leap he's taken this year is incredible to watch. Of players still on their rookie contracts, none have been better.
If KP did goto the Celtics  
Canton : 12/14/2017 2:38 pm : link
and had that hot start to the season..

We'd all be in complete meltdown mode, wanting to burn the garden to the damn ground.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raise your hand if you thought we stole McBuckets and Kanter  
Enzo : 12/14/2017 2:42 pm : link
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when that trade happened lol.


Kanter has mostly been as expected, right? McDermott has been a nice surprise. But the upside going forward for both of them was always going to be somewhat mitigated by their respective contract situations. Final evaluation of this deal will be made when we see their next contracts.


There isn’t a Knicks fan on the planet that expected this kind of contribution from Kanter.


you're right, he's totally been a different player since coming over! Oh wait, that's total bullshit. He's not doing anything that he hasn't previously shown in his career. His PER is basically identical to what he posted in the last 2 years.



Sorry, this is utter nonsense. PER does not reflect defense outside of blocks and steals. Kanter has a positive DBPM and DRPM for the first time in his career. Playing next to a guy like KP who is a dominant rim protector has changed him defensively. I'm still not sold that KP wouldn't be better as a 5 with a defensive minded, switchable 4 next to him, but Kanter has definitely been WAY better defensively this year then anytime in his career.


So he's better because he doesn't have to worry about protecting the rim as much? Ok...



Why is that weird? Players aren't robots, of course they will look better in certain roles. He'll never be a plus defender, but for the first time in his career he's not a negative one. Absolutely role plays a part in that.

It's not weird but I'm not going to throw a parade for the guy either. Sometimes players improve a facet of their game via hard work. Other times they look better (or worse) due to a change in circumstances. This is the latter. So my original point (Kanter has mostly been as expected) remains.
Except he hasn't  
Sgrcts : 12/14/2017 2:48 pm : link
your point is wrong. He has been far better defensively then expected. It doesn't matter why, because the why was here when we expected him to be terrible.
Enzo  
Canton : 12/14/2017 2:48 pm : link
What "change in circumstance" has improved a facet of his game? Do tell..
Pat  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2017 2:50 pm : link
the Rat and Spoelstra really deserve credit for their scrapheap finds and player development.

Freakin Wayne Ellington .116 WS/48 while with Miami

Whiteside

James Johnson

Tyler Johnson

Adebayo has been very good for a rookie in limited minutes

RE: Except he hasn't  
Enzo : 12/14/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13740688 Sgrcts said:
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He has been far better defensively then expected.

He didn't get quicker, start hustling more, or grow longer arms. He's the same guy. He's simply on a team that can better hide his weaknesses.
RE: Pat  
Enzo : 12/14/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13740692 DanMetroMan said:
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the Rat and Spoelstra really deserve credit for their scrapheap finds and player development.

Freakin Wayne Ellington .116 WS/48 while with Miami

unfortunately he wasn't good enough to make Phil's 17 win Knick team of 2014/2015.
RE: RE: Except he hasn't  
TyreeHelmet : 12/14/2017 6:30 pm : link
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He has been far better defensively then expected.


He didn't get quicker, start hustling more, or grow longer arms. He's the same guy. He's simply on a team that can better hide his weaknesses.


Kanter is clearly quicker and better on defensive because of it this year. He has definitely improved defensively.
RE: Pat  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/14/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13740692 DanMetroMan said:
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the Rat and Spoelstra really deserve credit for their scrapheap finds and player development.

Freakin Wayne Ellington .116 WS/48 while with Miami

Whiteside

James Johnson

Tyler Johnson

Adebayo has been very good for a rookie in limited minutes
Dion Waiters has pretty much gone into the tank since signing that contract too.
RE: RE: Except he hasn't  
steve in ky : 12/14/2017 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13740725 Enzo said:
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He has been far better defensively then expected.


He didn't get quicker, start hustling more, or grow longer arms. He's the same guy. He's simply on a team that can better hide his weaknesses.


He lost about 30 lbs so it makes sense he would be a little quicker on his feet.
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