More soap opera stuff regarding Eli Apple

are not thinking. If you want to trade him fine, but cutting him would be extremely stupid!

I can maybe see passing on Tunsil because of character issues, but holy cow our character research fell well way short picking Apple instead. Does anybody believe that there were no signs of this guy being a head case at Ohio State? I imagine you wouldn't have to dig all that deep to find something given what has transpired.

"He has no life skills" report

I guess when given the choice between a guy who can cook weed in a variety of objects and a guy who can't cook at all, they opted for the guy who couldn't cook.

It's like everyday, there is something new. Time for this loser psycho to get lost. I hope the NFL lets him go unsigned, too. He deserves it.

In comment 13740767 widmerseyebrow said:

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I can maybe see passing on Tunsil because of character issues, but holy cow our character research fell well way short picking Apple instead. Does anybody believe that there were no signs of this guy being a head case at Ohio State? I imagine you wouldn't have to dig all that deep to find something given what has transpired.

I read one scout day he had bad "Life skills"

Which was quickly shot down into "oh he just doesn't know how to cook anything"

Turns out, life skills sounds like a appropriate scouting report

In comment 13740667 Danthebigbluefan said:

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And warning signs were out about this kid pre-draft with his Mom shooting her mouth off. I understand and can empathize as well as anyone when life starts getting you down and you go through tough times/family health issues - hey they come first. But, this comes across like a spoiled brat and a petulant child. Which, IIRC, is exactly what the criticism on him was. He's a spoiled kid who's babied to the point where he thinks he does no wrong.

His mother has always been the "victim".

In comment 13740763 Simms11 said:

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are not thinking. If you want to trade him fine, but cutting him would be extremely stupid!

Agree... he still has value but nowhere near what it cost us to draft him.

In comment 13740748 Go Terps said:

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Assembling and running a functional football team is difficult enough without having to play therapist to idiots that need mental assessments and/or to have their bullshit tolerated as they "mature". The practice facility, locker room, field...these are all places of work. I think it was Rich Seubert that said it: "If you want to have fun, go be a clown." I don't care how talented Apple or anyone else is. There are people out there that can do his job and aren't idiots. Go get those people instead of abiding the idiots.

This is why I don�t want Mayfield who plays a much more visible position. �Maturity comes with age� is a bullshit excuse. If I�m paying someone millions of dollars, I expect them to be mature right now & ready to perform.

on hand as a truant officer. He should beat the hell out of the kid.

Is there any doubt that this clown was the leak to Josina Andersen?

Not sure how much. Should be his entire years pay IMO.

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Personality disorder...something. This is beyond bizarre.

There were rumors around the draft that some teams had him lower or off their board entirely because of personality concerns

In comment 13740832 TyreeHelmet said:

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Is there any doubt that this clown was the leak to Josina Andersen?

None at all

About Eli Apple not having any "life skills", like he can't cook, etc... and wasn't there something else where Apple blasted a scout at the combine (I think it was a Saints scout) because during his combine interview they asked "if he was gay?"??? Please correct me if I am wrong.... but those once upon a time 'ridiculous' analysis of a college kid is not so 'ridiculous' after all

and who was written up from our last draft who had never learned how to take care of himself (live on his own, cook food, do laundry) because his mom always moved nearby and did all the adult stuff for him. Was that Apple?

I guess I was too late with my post.

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Easiest question in the upcoming Giants GM interviews: "If it turns out we can only keep either Landon Collins or Eli Apple, which one do we choose?"

tweet - ( New Window )

2016�s 10th overall pick. Another winner by Reese.

LANDON COLLINS‏Verified account
@TheHumble_21

Tweet about that and watch what happens

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Q: Eli Apple was talked about recently in the last 24-48 hours and referred to by an anonymous scout questioning his life skills. Is that anything that you guys worried about? A: You hear everything. It�s all people talk about, the draft, it�s a phenomenon now. Half the stuff people we�re talking about, they don�t know what they�re talking about. There�s stuff spewed all over the place. We listen to our scouts, we do the work. Hey, this guy is a good player, he�s clean. We don�t have any issues with him.

Those scouts need to be fired. Pronto.
http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2016/05/10/new-york-giants-2016-nfl-draft-review-rookie-free-agent-signings/ - ( New Window )

The kid has no life skills. At all. Can�t cook. Just a baby. He�s not first round for me. He scares me to death.� Wonderlic was 21. �He probably has as much talent as anybody but he, like a lot of those Ohio State guys, is inconsistent,� said a third scout.

In comment 13740737 81_Great_Dane said:

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He's floundering. He has to know that. He's probably miserable. Plus his mom's sick -- that is probably freaking him out too. It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic. As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied. However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.

The referees have a part in screwing this kid up also it�s quite possible he�s bipolar

In comment 13740826 mrvax said:

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on hand as a truant officer. He should beat the hell out of the kid.

Charles Way works for the NFL now.

In comment 13740871 NikkiMac said:

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In comment 13740737 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: He's floundering. He has to know that. He's probably miserable. Plus his mom's sick -- that is probably freaking him out too. It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic. As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied. However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it. The referees have a part in screwing this kid up also it�s quite possible he�s bipolar

How did the referees screw him up?

In comment 13740878 Bill L said:

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In comment 13740871 NikkiMac said: Quote: In comment 13740737 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: He's floundering. He has to know that. He's probably miserable. Plus his mom's sick -- that is probably freaking him out too. It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic. As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied. However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it. The referees have a part in screwing this kid up also it�s quite possible he�s bipolar How did the referees screw him up?

They wouldn't teach him how to cook.

On but it's obvious this is another Reese fuck up. Hard to believe but this flood is a bigger idiot than Marvin Austin at this
Point. I'd try for a trade but I'd send him home and move on.

hes of just an asshole

In comment 13740863 Dave in Hoboken said:

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LANDON COLLINS‏Verified account @TheHumble_21 Tweet about that and watch what happens

This tweet confirms that there is some tension between the two. Mike Garafolo had opined that Eli Apple doesn't view Landon as a leader. Because they are close in age, he considers each other as equals. With the differing recollections of whether they spoke to each other, Mike postulated that because Apple doesn't view Landon as a leader, he likely didn't take any conversation to heart. In one ear and out the other...

I still can't believe that there were people on here not even a year and a half ago broadcasting how this reach of a draft pick � now an annoying little turd who will not flush - and his "outspoken mom" was not a red flag.

Seriously, who the hell has their MOM have you bumped out of the limelight before you even played a down in the NFL?

(Yeah, but Eli Manning�s dad got involved before he went to the Giants!)

At least Eli Manning turned out to be Eli Manning and his dad played football. This guy was a waste. An absolute waste of a pick, and one of Reese�s biggest blunders.

Trade him if you can. His money is all guaranteed. He is trying to get cut. Make him play specials, last string keep him inactive whenever you can. Make life fucking miserable for him and fine him every chance you get. Make the piece of shit quit.

You do realize that would actually cost the Giants money. You can't just release a first round pick going into the 3rd year of his deal without facing cap reprecussions. If I am the next GM, I tell Eli he's got 1 more strike or he will be inactive for the entire season or traded to Cleveland or Buffalo (next year). Hopefully he can put it together because there is no doubting his talent. He is just really immature.

of two things likely, and neither is good:

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I think there's something wrong with him Bold Ruler : Mod : 2:45 pm : link : reply Personality disorder...something. This is beyond bizarre.

It could be he has a personality disorder, which requires treatment and a lot of work, or it could be he's intentionally trying to get kicked off the team.

Neither really benefits us.

In comment 13740868 Sarcastic Sam said:

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Those scouts need to be fired. Pronto. http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2016/05/10/new-york-giants-2016-nfl-draft-review-rookie-free-agent-signings/ - ( New Window )

Well, I am sure you cannot just found scouts on Craigslist but in general I agree that over time we need to begin replacing them.

On Apple, I went and started watching video of him the moment we made the pick. Looking at whatever I can find and from various sources. Within 30 min I could see that the kid had poor footwork and no ball awareness. If he did not play at Ohio state he would have been selected much later in the draft.

Sometimes kids end up playing the wrong position when they land at one of those big schools. They may be a natural at another position and spent their younger years playing that position... then get moved once they get to college. Their athletic ability may help them to get by and play well enough but they also may lack the instincts for that position. In the case of Eli, he played QB and WR in addition to some time in the defensive backfield. So, it sounds to me like he was a decent all around athlete but maybe not a true cornerback. The instincts needed for that position CANNOT be taught.

** I am volunteering to be a consultant when it comes to evaluating the defensive backfield.

In comment 13740887 Thegratefulhead said:

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Trade him if you can. His money is all guaranteed. He is trying to get cut. Make him play specials, last string keep him inactive whenever you can. Make life fucking miserable for him and fine him every chance you get. Make the piece of shit quit.

+1.

If he "retires," the Giants will be able to recoup the amortized portion of his signing bonus. If he retires after this season, that's $4.6 million.

How could Reese not take Tunsil there or atleast trade out of the pick? I truly believe passing on Whitworth and the Apple pick were 2 pivotal decisions that lead to Reese being canned.

What a tiresome ass

Apple has enough talent to play in the NFL, even if he wasn�t worth the 10th overall pick, the guy can play. Just a head case I guess. Hard to know what to do with the guy at this point. Oddly enough, he might have done well, or at least better, if he was on a team with a more established coach and a more stable organization. Giants might actually be the worst team in the league for a guy like Apple. Says a lot about how far the Giants have fallen. Anyone can miss on a draft pick but it takes a special kind of dysfunction to wind up with a problem like Apple.

In comment 13740895 Sarcastic Sam said:

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In comment 13740887 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: Trade him if you can. His money is all guaranteed. He is trying to get cut. Make him play specials, last string keep him inactive whenever you can. Make life fucking miserable for him and fine him every chance you get. Make the piece of shit quit. +1. If he "retires," the Giants will be able to recoup the amortized portion of his signing bonus. If he retires after this season, that's $4.6 million.

Actually, we don't have to make him quit. The CBA allows franchises to void future guarantees in a contract if a player is suspended due to conduct detrimental to the team. Doing so, it also allows the team to recoup the amortized portion of the signing bonus.

By voiding the guarantees, a trading partner might be more inclined to offer a higher draft pick as there will be zero risk on their part. If we release him, then we can still pursue repayment of the signing bonus.

Flowers and Apple. Coulda been Gurley and Tunsil.

In comment 13740737 81_Great_Dane said:

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He's floundering. He has to know that. He's probably miserable. Plus his mom's sick -- that is probably freaking him out too. It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic. As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied. However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.

Excellent post. That was a difficult draft because of what Tunsil did. Conklin might well have otherwise been available. And I won't fault Reese for not drafting Tunsil. Not after Will Hill. That was also a top 10 pick.

He was a UDFA

Today would have been perfect!

Bust now.

We all know guys who are momma's boys but Apple has taken it to a whole new level. He is already among my top 5 least liked Giants of all time and he will soon be #1 if he keeps this up.

In comment 13740936 AcidTest said:
Excellent post. That was a difficult draft because of what Tunsil did. Conklin might well have otherwise been available. And I won't fault Reese for not drafting Tunsil. Not after Will Hill. That was also a top 10 pick. [/quote]

can you post a smaller picture?

In comment 13740946 ron mexico said:

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He was a UDFA

I should have been clearer. Apple was the top 10 pick. I knew Hill was a UDFA.

In comment 13740726 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 13740679 Bold Ruler said: Quote: Personality disorder...something. This is beyond bizarre. Bingo. Trust me when I say he is not an asshole. He is a bit socially stunted and incredibly immature. Helicopter Mom did not help in this regard. The lack of self awareness though has been astounding.

Meh...
Where I come from socially inept, incredibly immature and a complete lack of self awareness generally = an asshole.

I believe at the age of 20 something or whatever he is you are supposed to be a man...but I guess that's the real problem.

Kid is a little bitch baby with no physical or mental toughness. I would really question how much homework Reese (and Ross too) did on him. I bet the full evaluation looked something like this: "Good size, good speed, top program, played well in bowl game. High first round". Looks like a blown pick to me.

In comment 13741350 gmenatlarge said:

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I believe at the age of 20 something or whatever he is you are supposed to be a man...but I guess that's the real problem.

At that age I thought I was a lot more of a man than I really was. And everybody's different. Some guys reach their 20s having been through a lot and having had to shoulder a lot of responsibility. Some guys, not so much.

IMO, if he's not mature enough for the NFL, that's partly a failure of his college coach. That's the whole justification for college football, right? Molding young men, building character, all that stuff?