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Eli Apple said Landon Collins has not spoken to him this season as Collins said he had yesterday. LC: I guess he dont remember things. LC stands by his statements from yesterday. #asthegiantsturn
Well new coach and GM can handle that shit show..
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Landon Collins today on Eli Apples claim he hasnt spoke to him to try and help him: I guess he dont remember things.
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Collins said hes not going to be dragged into a controversy with a teammate but stands by his word he has tried to help Apple.
Apple couldn't have handled this season any worse. Ok fine he's having a bad go at life. I get that. The Giants are pretty loyal and patient but for fuck's sake dude, just shut your mouth and go away until next March.
LOL
Maybe it's just the optics with him being young and his mom sick so they don't wanna suspend him. But he definitely deserves a week suspension for conduct detrimental to the team or I'm sure insubordination as well
Ugh Tunsil has not been to good since making the switch to Tackle. At least that's what the Dolphin fan in the office has told me on many occasions. He played better at guard.
Cut this guy already or have him sit the whole season next year.
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We passed on Tunsil for this idiot.
Ugh Tunsil has not been to good since making the switch to Tackle. At least that's what the Dolphin fan in the office has told me on many occasions. He played better at guard.
So we would have a guard instead of a team cancer bench warmer.
Cut this guy already or have him sit the whole season next year.
Apple is a loser. But no need to lump an entire generation of people in with him. Like every generation, there are good ones and bad ones. Don't be an asshole.
While I've been pissed at Apple ALL SEASON LONG, I would prefer to see if a new coaching staff could get to this kid before jettisoning him. And I definitely think he's worth a draft pick as opposed to cutting him.
I understand and can empathize as well as anyone when life starts getting you down and you go through tough times/family health issues - hey they come first.
But, this comes across like a spoiled brat and a petulant child. Which, IIRC, is exactly what the criticism on him was. He's a spoiled kid who's babied to the point where he thinks he does no wrong.
Apple is a loser. But no need to lump an entire generation of people in with him. Like every generation, there are good ones and bad ones. Don't be an asshole. [/quote]
Nah screw it. I see it too much with this generation. And get off my lawn!!!!
going back to Thomas Lewis in 94
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By the time the new regime enters, he would make a great example Cut to show that nobody is safe. Not even recent first round picks.
While I've been pissed at Apple ALL SEASON LONG, I would prefer to see if a new coaching staff could get to this kid before jettisoning him. And I definitely think he's worth a draft pick as opposed to cutting him.
I agree with both of your statements. But sometimes if a new boss is looking to make a statement he acts extreme. Although if someone offered him a fourth or even less I would hope he takes it. That still shows he means business.
Yep. The video of the bong hit came out minutes before our pick.
As Shockeyisthebest8056 said maybe the next coaching staff might be able to reach him. He is too talented just to discard.
Bingo. Trust me when I say he is not an asshole. He is a bit socially stunted and incredibly immature. Helicopter Mom did not help in this regard.
The lack of self awareness though has been astounding.
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Didnt we pass on Tunsil when Apple was selected? I know there were concerns with Tunsil but that decision keeps getting worse.
Yep. The video of the bong hit came out minutes before our pick.
Passing on the next 32 players taken versus Apple looks like a bad decision.
But lets give Apple some more time...he doesn't really play worse than a lot of guys on this team right now.
It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic.
As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied.
However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.
By a GM who's lost it many moons ago.
The practice facility, locker room, field...these are all places of work. I think it was Rich Seubert that said it: "If you want to have fun, go be a clown."
I don't care how talented Apple or anyone else is. There are people out there that can do his job and aren't idiots. Go get those people instead of abiding the idiots.
That would actually be good news, something that can be dealt with...
It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic.
As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied.
However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.
good post
Maybe the Atlanta interview was giving everyone a hint, although an odd question. Maybe they were concerned about locker room stuff and being accepted by guys that go about their business as professionals. The lack of awareness regarding the intensity of what is happening with this team and his selfish centered attitude is what is worrying. Almost implies that he does not care, and maybe he does not care about what he does on the field (exhibit film room critique).
I guess when given the choice between a guy who can cook weed in a variety of objects and a guy who can't cook at all, they opted for the guy who couldn't cook.
I read one scout day he had bad "Life skills"
Which was quickly shot down into "oh he just doesn't know how to cook anything"
Turns out, life skills sounds like a appropriate scouting report
I understand and can empathize as well as anyone when life starts getting you down and you go through tough times/family health issues - hey they come first.
But, this comes across like a spoiled brat and a petulant child. Which, IIRC, is exactly what the criticism on him was. He's a spoiled kid who's babied to the point where he thinks he does no wrong.
His mother has always been the "victim".
Agree... he still has value but nowhere near what it cost us to draft him.
The practice facility, locker room, field...these are all places of work. I think it was Rich Seubert that said it: "If you want to have fun, go be a clown."
I don't care how talented Apple or anyone else is. There are people out there that can do his job and aren't idiots. Go get those people instead of abiding the idiots.
This is why I dont want Mayfield who plays a much more visible position. Maturity comes with age is a bullshit excuse. If Im paying someone millions of dollars, I expect them to be mature right now & ready to perform.
There were rumors around the draft that some teams had him lower or off their board entirely because of personality concerns
None at all
tweet - ( New Window )
@TheHumble_21
Tweet about that and watch what happens
A: You hear everything. Its all people talk about, the draft, its a phenomenon now. Half the stuff people were talking about, they dont know what theyre talking about. Theres stuff spewed all over the place. We listen to our scouts, we do the work. Hey, this guy is a good player, hes clean. We dont have any issues with him.
Those scouts need to be fired. Pronto.
http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2016/05/10/new-york-giants-2016-nfl-draft-review-rookie-free-agent-signings/ - ( New Window )
It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic.
As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied.
However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.
The referees have a part in screwing this kid up also its quite possible hes bipolar
Charles Way works for the NFL now.
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He's floundering. He has to know that. He's probably miserable. Plus his mom's sick -- that is probably freaking him out too.
It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic.
As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied.
However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.
The referees have a part in screwing this kid up also its quite possible hes bipolar
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He's floundering. He has to know that. He's probably miserable. Plus his mom's sick -- that is probably freaking him out too.
It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic.
As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied.
However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.
The referees have a part in screwing this kid up also its quite possible hes bipolar
How did the referees screw him up?
They wouldn't teach him how to cook.
Point. I'd try for a trade but I'd send him home and move on.
hes of just an asshole
@TheHumble_21
Tweet about that and watch what happens
This tweet confirms that there is some tension between the two. Mike Garafolo had opined that Eli Apple doesn't view Landon as a leader. Because they are close in age, he considers each other as equals. With the differing recollections of whether they spoke to each other, Mike postulated that because Apple doesn't view Landon as a leader, he likely didn't take any conversation to heart. In one ear and out the other...
Seriously, who the hell has their MOM have you bumped out of the limelight before you even played a down in the NFL?
(Yeah, but Eli Mannings dad got involved before he went to the Giants!)
At least Eli Manning turned out to be Eli Manning and his dad played football. This guy was a waste. An absolute waste of a pick, and one of Reeses biggest blunders.
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Personality disorder...something. This is beyond bizarre.
It could be he has a personality disorder, which requires treatment and a lot of work, or it could be he's intentionally trying to get kicked off the team.
Neither really benefits us.
Those scouts need to be fired. Pronto. http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2016/05/10/new-york-giants-2016-nfl-draft-review-rookie-free-agent-signings/ - ( New Window )
Well, I am sure you cannot just found scouts on Craigslist but in general I agree that over time we need to begin replacing them.
On Apple, I went and started watching video of him the moment we made the pick. Looking at whatever I can find and from various sources. Within 30 min I could see that the kid had poor footwork and no ball awareness. If he did not play at Ohio state he would have been selected much later in the draft.
Sometimes kids end up playing the wrong position when they land at one of those big schools. They may be a natural at another position and spent their younger years playing that position... then get moved once they get to college. Their athletic ability may help them to get by and play well enough but they also may lack the instincts for that position. In the case of Eli, he played QB and WR in addition to some time in the defensive backfield. So, it sounds to me like he was a decent all around athlete but maybe not a true cornerback. The instincts needed for that position CANNOT be taught.
** I am volunteering to be a consultant when it comes to evaluating the defensive backfield.
+1.
If he "retires," the Giants will be able to recoup the amortized portion of his signing bonus. If he retires after this season, that's $4.6 million.
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Trade him if you can. His money is all guaranteed. He is trying to get cut. Make him play specials, last string keep him inactive whenever you can. Make life fucking miserable for him and fine him every chance you get. Make the piece of shit quit.
+1.
If he "retires," the Giants will be able to recoup the amortized portion of his signing bonus. If he retires after this season, that's $4.6 million.
Actually, we don't have to make him quit. The CBA allows franchises to void future guarantees in a contract if a player is suspended due to conduct detrimental to the team. Doing so, it also allows the team to recoup the amortized portion of the signing bonus.
By voiding the guarantees, a trading partner might be more inclined to offer a higher draft pick as there will be zero risk on their part. If we release him, then we can still pursue repayment of the signing bonus.
It seems like he has the emotional intelligence of a child. As a human being, I'm sorry for him. As a Giants fan, well, I'm not as sympathetic.
As for who the Giants passed on to get him: The draft is a crapshoot. Everybody has first-round busts. Go through any given drafts; a lot of guys who got taken in the first in any year never amounted to much. Go through any team's list of first-round picks over the years, everybody drafted guys like that. If your standard for a GM is "Never misses on a draft pick," you will never be satisfied.
However, Jerry Reese and his regime missed on too many picks. The roster is weak. So the Giants already fired him and it's like the new GM is going to clean house in the scouting department after the draft. So this is where we are, the milk is spilt, no use crying about it.
Excellent post. That was a difficult draft because of what Tunsil did. Conklin might well have otherwise been available. And I won't fault Reese for not drafting Tunsil. Not after Will Hill. That was also a top 10 pick.
Excellent post. That was a difficult draft because of what Tunsil did. Conklin might well have otherwise been available. And I won't fault Reese for not drafting Tunsil. Not after Will Hill. That was also a top 10 pick. [/quote]
I should have been clearer. Apple was the top 10 pick. I knew Hill was a UDFA.
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Personality disorder...something. This is beyond bizarre.
Bingo. Trust me when I say he is not an asshole. He is a bit socially stunted and incredibly immature. Helicopter Mom did not help in this regard.
The lack of self awareness though has been astounding.
Where I come from socially inept, incredibly immature and a complete lack of self awareness generally = an asshole.
IMO, if he's not mature enough for the NFL, that's partly a failure of his college coach. That's the whole justification for college football, right? Molding young men, building character, all that stuff?