NFT: The Last Jedi (Full Spoilers)

it was fucking awesome. Laughed within the first 2 minutes, tons of action, really good continuation of the story and ZERO wasted time. It was pretty much full throttle from start to finish.

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it was fucking awesome. Laughed within the first 2 minutes, tons of action, really good continuation of the story and ZERO wasted time. It was pretty much full throttle from start to finish.

Feeling better now. The negativity from alot of message boards had me really worried.

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it was fucking awesome. Laughed within the first 2 minutes, tons of action, really good continuation of the story and ZERO wasted time. It was pretty much full throttle from start to finish.

Yeah I thought it was almost perfect. I was a little sad a certain character went out at the end (still nervous to say it even in a spoiler thread for people that might be lurking) but overall this was fantastic.

Sure there were little things here and there I could take issue with, but overall this was just about everything I could really want for from a Star Wars movie.

For all the people who said this was going to just rip off Empire Strikes Back, I got way more of a Return of the Jedi vibe from some of the scenes.

Is it December 2019 yet? Jesus Christ!

is coming back to tie up the trilogy.

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is coming back to tie up the trilogy.

Actually, Rian Johnson is doing a new, original trilogy entirely separate from the Skywalker Saga. Abrams is coming back for Episode 9, hope he took some notes from Rian Johnson on how to do something truly original with the property.

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In comment 13741164 ZGiants98 said: Quote: is coming back to tie up the trilogy. Actually, Rian Johnson is doing a new, original trilogy entirely separate from the Skywalker Saga. Abrams is coming back for Episode 9, hope he took some notes from Rian Johnson on how to do something truly original with the property.

That's right! doh! I got it mixed up. Oh well.

is a better movie just because of this movie. Now TFA can truly be viewed as an appetizer to whet your appetite and introduce the characters. Everyone is bigger and more brought to life in this one, as it should be. Without a strong sequel TFA would have withered away.

Abrams wrapping it up will be fine. Guy has tons of originality on his resume, TFA was an impossible task that he takes a lot of shit for but it will be looked back on as a great reintroduction of the series, IMO. The story is likely already done anyway and probably has been for quite a while.

Way too much to type right now.

Easily better than The Force Awakens.

A ton of spoiler content.

Lots of things I did not see coming.

Wasn't thrilled with everything, but overall, it was definitely a very good Star Wars movie.

For me, it's currently tied for #4 Star Wars with Rogue One, after the three original trilogy films. But I think most people will like it more than Rogue One.

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is a better movie just because of this movie. Now TFA can truly be viewed as an appetizer to whet your appetite and introduce the characters. Everyone is bigger and more brought to life in this one, as it should be. Without a strong sequel TFA would have withered away.

It’s exactly what I said 2 years ago when people were bitching about it. Everyone wants immediate satisfaction - letting the story unfold is necessary.

I'm bummed that Abrams has Episode 9. I'm expecting another 2 1/2-star effort from him.

Rian Johnson is doing good work with this franchise. I wish he were going to do Episode 9 instead.

Next up...Ron Howard's Solo prequel. I'm keeping expectations low for that one.

particularly when Finn was fighting on land withPoe in the background in the air was amongst the best I’ve ever seen in a sci-fi movie. The story is done - whether Abrams or anyone else directs nothing drastic will change. Do you think they aren’t on the same page with the story?

that little kid at the end...is the new trilogy going to be about him when he's older?

But how were you feelings on the reveals of who Rey is and Snoke? That seemed to be what alot of people were bitching about and of course Lukes story

never understood why his identity mattered so much.

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But how were you feelings on the reveals of who Rey is and Snoke? That seemed to be what alot of people were bitching about and of course Lukes story

I hate the idea of Star Wars characters having to be secretly related to each other. You can't keep drawing from that well over and over. So I found it refreshing when Ben told Rey that her parents were nobodies.

That said, I have a feeling what he told her isn't true. We'll see.

I was bummed that that last act exhausted Luke, but this trilogy was about a bridge from the old characters to new characters, so it isn't terribly unexpected.

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But how were you feelings on the reveals of who Rey is and Snoke? That seemed to be what alot of people were bitching about and of course Lukes story

This is just my opinion but Im guessing Snoke's is legit and Rey's is not. Still another whole chapter to explore that.

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never understood why his identity mattered so much.

Because he turned Ben Solo to the Dark Side, has extremely strong Force powers, and is the supreme leader of the First Order?

Kind of important to know where he came from. I still think that requires some explanation.

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In comment 13741181 KWhite2250 said: Quote: But how were you feelings on the reveals of who Rey is and Snoke? That seemed to be what alot of people were bitching about and of course Lukes story I hate the idea of Star Wars characters having to be secretly related to each other. You can't keep drawing from that well over and over. So I found it refreshing when Ben told Rey that her parents were nobodies. That said, I have a feeling what he told her isn't true. We'll see. I was bummed that that last act exhausted Luke, but this trilogy was about a bridge from the old characters to new characters, so it isn't terribly unexpected.

Agree about Rey. She's been searching for her parents for so long and they've made too much of a deal about it for it to end up being nothing. It could have still been staged to look like she was abandoned and her memories/Ben's sight could have seen/felt that what she witnessed as a kid.

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that little kid at the end...is the new trilogy going to be about him when he's older?

I doubt it. He was a symbol for hope, ect.

left after Vader is killed?

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In comment 13741177 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: that little kid at the end...is the new trilogy going to be about him when he's older? I doubt it. He was a symbol for hope, ect.

That and the new trilogy is apparently completely separate from the current series.

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never understood why his identity mattered so much.

I have to admit that shocked me. That was the point in the movie where the cookie cutter formula went out the window for me. This movie really did feel fresh but still maintained a ton of nostalgia.

It's a pretty good 2-and-a-half hour Star Wars film. It could have been a great 2hr Star Wars film.

It reminded me of RotJ in that the second act was a mess, but the first and third acts were a lot of fun.

I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.

that planet to find a "master coder" as sort of a plot device but I didnt mind it. It was a cool new territory to explore and they seemed to move through it at a pretty brisk pace.

Maybe B

Had great parts and then some cringeworthy scenes that took me back to the prequels

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I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.

Rey & Luke scenes: great. I could have watched that all night. The codebreaker/MacGuffin subplot on Planet Opulence, on the other hand, seemed to serve no purpose other than giving Finn and Benicio Del Toro something to do. The payoff of the kid with broom (while I appreciate the symbolism), wasn't worth it for me.

In fact, right in the middle of that chase with the horse-like creatures, I thought, "Does this feel like Star Wars?...No, it doesn't."

Leia floating in space didn't work for me, either.

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I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.

There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.

Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.

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In fact, right in the middle of that chase with the horse-like creatures, I thought, "Does this feel like Star Wars?...No, it doesn't." Leia floating in space didn't work for me, either.

Eh. I liked that. She's always had the force. It was really cool to finally see her use it.

Just give us mos eisley spaceport ...where we will never find the more wreTched hive of scum and villainy
I promise we will be cautious

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In comment 13741207 ZGiants98 said: Quote: I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO. There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development. Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.

The character development was happening on the island the whole time even if Luke wasnt training her directly. She was sort of finding herself on her own with Luke watching at a distance. He was finding himself a bit too. I thought that worked great.

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Just give us mos eisley spaceport ...where we will never find the more wreTched hive of scum and villainy I promise we will be cautious

They were literally in the casino for 12 seconds.

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In comment 13741207 ZGiants98 said: Quote: I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO. There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development. Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.

I kind of liked how Rey almost trained Luke in a sense. If it was a longer version of the reverse everyone would just call it an Empire ripoff.

Rey already used a lightsaber and is strong with the force. There’s wasn’t a need for a Rocky montage, IMO. She scared Luke enough to get him to do something about it - that was a pretty cool spin.

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In comment 13741219 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: In comment 13741207 ZGiants98 said: Quote: I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO. There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development. Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene. The character development was happening on the island the whole time even if Luke wasnt training her directly. She was sort of finding herself on her own with Luke watching at a distance. He was finding himself a bit too. I thought that worked great.

I'm saying I wanted more of it.

casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.

In comment 13741225 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 13741219 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: In comment 13741207 ZGiants98 said: Quote: I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO. There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development. Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene. I kind of liked how Rey almost trained Luke in a sense. If it was a longer version of the reverse everyone would just call it an Empire ripoff. Rey already used a lightsaber and is strong with the force. There’s wasn’t a need for a Rocky montage, IMO. She scared Luke enough to get him to do something about it - that was a pretty cool spin.

Yup. Exactly. If Luke starts training Rey it's a complete ripoff. People are never happy I guess.

if anything that isn't 100% gushing is going to be misconstrued as being unhappy and critical.

JFC...

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casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.

Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait...

I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).

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if anything that isn't 100% gushing is going to be misconstrued as being unhappy and critical. JFC...

It's fine. Discuss away. I wasnt referring to you specifically. I guess Im just waiting for people to pick apart every little thing now. Its going to happen.

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In comment 13741227 ZGiants98 said: Quote: casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first. Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait... I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).

How would a stranger he just met losing her sister gravitate with him? Also, he has literally been talking about "leaving" and going somewhere "far away" in BOTH movies. He literally wanted to go to another "physical place". Going to you know... another "physical place" and realizing it wasnt what he thought it was... sort of fits better.

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In comment 13741233 iMatt said: Quote: In comment 13741227 ZGiants98 said: Quote: casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first. Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait... I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats). How would a stranger he just met losing her sister gravitate with him? Also, he has literally been talking about "leaving" and going somewhere "far away" in BOTH movies. He literally wanted to go to another "physical place". Going to you know... another "physical place" and realizing it wasnt what he thought it was... sort of fits better.

Finn, in all likelihood, is alive at that moment because of Rose's sister's sacrifice and dedication to the cause. A couple of lines of dialog should drive the point home and free up the film to advance the more important plots.

how does he connect with that girl in the first place? They literally met and devised the plan to find the master codbreaker 2 minutes later.

tell stories about sacrifice in the first movie. Hell, he watched Han DIE right in front of him to sacrifice himself. Still didn't stop him from wanting to save his own skin and get the hell away from everything. But some girl he meets that shocks him telling him a story about her sister sacrificing herself is going to convince him? Sorry. Not buying it.

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tell stories about sacrifice in the first movie. Hell, he watched Han DIE right in front of him to sacrifice himself. Still didn't stop him from wanting to save his own skin and get the hell away from everything. But some girl he meets that shocks him telling him a story about her sister sacrificing herself is going to convince him? Sorry. Not buying it.

Then maybe that was part of a larger problem of Finn's motivation/arc to begin with. But fair enough. Agree to disagree (although I'm not sure I'd describe Han's death being the result of a noble sacrifice as much as it was due to calculated murder, but nevertheless).

On the bright side, we now have confirmation that BB-8 can shoot coins really fast. Also at least one member of the Resistance thinks that war profiteering, animal cruelty, and child labor are bad things. My life is irrevocably changed.

(Don't take my sarcasm as a personal attack. It's late, and I'm just in it to amuse myself at this point)

I think it’s cool to talk it out. I can go back to literally the first scene ever with Finn in TFA also. He wants to leave and get away as far as he can and Poe is willing to sacrifice himself going back to a hostile planet to get a droid (for the resistance). It’s happened a whole lot. Just don’t think hearing a random girls story would have effected him all that much in spite of all that. Have a goodnight!

Definitely better than force awakens which I also loved. Leia floating back to the ship in space was the only head scratching moment for me.

Was completely shocked they killed Snoke off. Never saw that coming. Watching Rey and Kylo team up to kill Snoke's guards was so sweet. The Cantobight scenes didn't bother me. I liked the idea of them boarding the ship to shut down the tracker.

Johnson did a great job with the twists and turns. Can't wait to see where they take episode 9.

But there's some little rehashed shit like when Rey turns around to Ben in the elevator and says "I feel the conflict within you"...
I just think that's lame as fuck.

And Han absolutely knew he was potentially walking to his death when he confronted Kylo REN. He thought there was a 1% chance he could turn him and he thought that was enough to justify it. Not sure how that’s calculated murder. Han even sighs before he gets on the bridge. He knew exactly what he was doing and what was likely coming IMO.

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But there's some little rehashed shit like when Rey turns around to Ben in the elevator and says "I feel the conflict within you"... I just think that's lame as fuck.

I believed there was conflict in Ben. I was completely guessing right up until after Snokes army was defeated. I think they did a good job leaving that open.

I still don't believe Rey's parents were nobodies. I think Kylo lied to her to get her to join him. Likely setting up the reveal and bringing the saga full circle in the next movie.

She may be a natural, but even Anakin F'N Skywalker needed some training...

and I see Luke is back to his whiny ways...his whole "I'm done with the Jedis" act translated to "... but Aunt Beru..." for me...

but this was a really good entry. One thing that can’t be understated is the quality of the actors - Poe and Rey in particular. It’s easily the best of the series which helps raise the quality of the films a good amount.

Looking back on it after a night of sleep I didn’t care for the Leia angle. Not sure if they just didn’t want to give her a cruel death after what happened to her in real life but I though her getting blown out of the bridge would have been awesome and on par with some of the other decisions that were made throughout this installment. Her floating back to the ship was a let down on what could have been a grand and heroic death.

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I though her getting blown out of the bridge would have been awesome and on par with some of the other decisions that were made throughout this installment. Her floating back to the ship was a let down on what could have been a grand and heroic death.

...and would have solved some very real logistical production problems for the next film.

She’s been the general for some time and has always had the force. It was nice to finally see her use it. As for “floating”? Objects float in space. Lol. The moment at the end when Luke was basically saying goodbye was extremely emotional and well done. It felt like he was saying goodbye to her for real. It really just depends how they write her off in the next one but she even basically gave up control of the resistance to Poe at the end. The transition already has happened.

but humans also freeze and suffocate. I get it with the force being the force, but you have to concede that people are justified in thinking that part wasn't done as well as it could have.

That’s why she was kept in an oxygen chamber unconscious for half he movie. To each their own. I never gave it a second thought when watching. It’s exactly those little nit picky things (let’s start applying laws of physics to a sci fi Jedi force movie) that drive me nuts.

that isn't a nitpick. The laws of the Star Wars still suggest you die when getting blown out to space - and since she's strong with the force she's immune to that, fine. That doesn't mean it isn't a stretch or corny. If you are good with it that's fine, but its one of those borderline things where complaints seem valid. A nitpick is something that's insignificant to the story.

That’s a stretch but nothing else is? Lol. She moved her body 10 feet back to a door while she was freezing (they showed her nails/skin freezing) and she couldn’t breathe(thus the oxygen chamber) but Rey, with virtually no training can move a mountain of boulders to help her friends? I mean let’s go dissecting every unbelievable item in Star Wars line by line. I’m pretty sure we’ll come up with a list of a hundred thousand items. How about the fact that every planet they go to they can breathe with no helmet. I guess Hoth and every planet in the galaxy has perfect breathing conditions. How crazy do we want to get?

It’s when we start breaking out the pocket calculators and start trying to apply logic/physics/ ect. when I start to lose it. Same with GOT or any other fantasy thing.

but I'm still processing just how much I liked it.

Same complaints as others....

I'm disappointed in not knowing more about Snoke's backstory.

Cosmic Space Leia was also a little much. Not a dealbreaker like for some, but not sure I liked that sequence.

You gotta chill. It seems more like you're trying to defend the movie and argue people's opinions rather than trying to have a discussion about the film.

Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!

I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.

My biggest gripe is actually trying to inflict animal rights, child labor, government gun trafficking into a Star Wars movie. Also, did Leia and the vice general have a thing? That was a weird goodbye? That kind of shit seems forced.

but I'm fine conceding some things that seem out of place or unrealistic (even for a sci fi movie within the context of the world that was created).

You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid.

Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.

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You gotta chill. It seems more like you're trying to defend the movie and argue people's opinions rather than trying to have a discussion about the film. Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels! I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.

Yeah. It’s just the world we live in. People need to pick apart everything to feel validated or something (not referring to anyone here). It keeps getting worse. The initial reaction will be that it was awesome but in two weeks this thing will be dissected down to nothing. We’ll be talking about time traveling, physics, ect in no time. Lol

I'd guess we'll learn more about Snoke's backstory in Episode 9. At the very least, the story of how Snoke came across Kylo Ren and seduced him.

I'm also not certain that Snoke is completely dead. Could he be a clone? Does he have some ability to re-generate?

I'm okay with all the mystery and all the open questions with Snoke, Rey's parentage, etc - that's just part of how Star Wars has always worked - things are revealed over time. We don't need all the answers to the questions right away.

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but I'm fine conceding some things that seem out of place or unrealistic (even for a sci fi movie within the context of the world that was created). You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid. Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.

Who’s to say they can’t still do exactly that in the last movie? The whole space thing looked CGI to me anyway. I’m sure there is left over footage left with her they can still use. We’ll see.

viewers can apply whatever logic they want into how they view it. I don't know why we have to accept everything without questioning how or why it works.

As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.

I thoroughly enjoyed that aspect of the movie.

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In comment 13741453 UConn4523 said: Quote: but I'm fine conceding some things that seem out of place or unrealistic (even for a sci fi movie within the context of the world that was created). You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid. Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while. Who’s to say they can’t still do exactly that in the last movie? The whole space thing looked CGI to me anyway. I’m sure there is left over footage left with her they can still use. We’ll see.

Maybe they will, but now it will be expected. I was genuinely shocked when she got blown to space and felt it would have been perfect to end it that way. Whatever happens to her now will be expected for two reasons - She almost died in ep 8 and there's limited footage of her to be used in episode 9.

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I thoroughly enjoyed that aspect of the movie.

Yeah I agree. I was never a big Luke fan from the originals but he was awesome in this. No wasted screen time at all and everything he said had a purpose. Him taking those blaster shots at the end and dusting himself off had the theater roaring. Was really cool to be a part of.

With her in this if she died in the first ten minutes? Sorry. If the trade off is not seeing her reunite with Luke later on and the moments they shared... I’m voting for no space death hands down.

However.....

How much of the movie would they have had to reshoot/rewrite had they done that? Seems to me that they needed that Leia/Luke interaction at the end to make it all work.

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viewers can apply whatever logic they want into how they view it. I don't know why we have to accept everything without questioning how or why it works. As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.

Wait. We don’t know that Leia has had force training prior to TFA? Huh? It’s literally all she talks about lol.

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However..... How much of the movie would they have had to reshoot/rewrite had they done that? Seems to me that they needed that Leia/Luke interaction at the end to make it all work.

Exactly. They didn’t know she was going to die in real life obviously.

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In comment 13741465 UConn4523 said: Quote: viewers can apply whatever logic they want into how they view it. I don't know why we have to accept everything without questioning how or why it works. As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery. Wait. We don’t know that Leia has had force training prior to TFA? Huh? It’s literally all she talks about lol.

Meant to say Rey.

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under the island?

What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?

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under the island? What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?

It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.

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In comment 13741494 Britt in VA said: Quote: under the island? What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about? It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.

Luke doesn't discover that Vader is his father until Vader tells him. He confronts Vader in that place on Dagobah and sees himself under the mask. It was a warning that he himself could turn to the darkside if he isn't careful. Retrospectively, it's an indicator that he is connected to Vader in some way, but Luke has no reason to believe he is Vader's son until he tells him.

but only 63% of the audience liked it.

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Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!

It's funny, because I feel the exact opposite. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while reading the glowing reviews. I wouldn't say I hated it at all, but I was definitely underwhelmed to say the least. And if I'm being perfectly honest, with Luke and Leia essentially gone now, I could not care less about what happens in Episode IX.

This movie felt like about 30-45 minutes of actually important plot and an hour and a half of "who cares" filler. I could watch the Luke and Rey scenes all day.
The rest though was almost like Rian Johnson said "Well, I've got these characters that have to do something...I guess I'll have them go to Space Vegas on a convoluted MacGuffin quest or something. That should add some runtime to the movie"

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In comment 13741507 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 13741494 Britt in VA said: Quote: under the island? What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about? It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t. Luke doesn't discover that Vader is his father until Vader tells him. He confronts Vader in that place on Dagobah and sees himself under the mask. It was a warning that he himself could turn to the darkside if he isn't careful. Retrospectively, it's an indicator that he is connected to Vader in some way, but Luke has no reason to believe he is Vader's son until he tells him.

Ok. Whatever. Lol. The parallel in this movie was absolutely there to that scene regardless if Luke had 100% confirmation then or not.

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In comment 13741442 Giantology said: Quote: Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels! It's funny, because I feel the exact opposite. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while reading the glowing reviews. I wouldn't say I hated it at all, but I was definitely underwhelmed to say the least. And if I'm being perfectly honest, with Luke and Leia essentially gone now, I could not care less about what happens in Episode IX. This movie felt like about 30-45 minutes of actually important plot and an hour and a half of "who cares" filler. I could watch the Luke and Rey scenes all day. The rest though was almost like Rian Johnson said "Well, I've got these characters that have to do something...I guess I'll have them go to Space Vegas on a convoluted MacGuffin quest or something. That should add some runtime to the movie"

Rose was a pointless character.

Finn was boring in this movie.

Captain Phasma seems like she originated as a cool drawing presented to studio executives, but nobody can figure out what to do with her to make her interesting.

Benicio del Toro's character was a pretty big letdown. His betrayal was a "yeah, we've seen this already with Lando" moment. (yawn)

And nothing againat Oscar Isaac, but there's absolutely nothing special to me about the Poe character.

I'm glad they're making Star Wars movies again, but it seems obvious that none of them will ever touch the original three. The originals' status as the gold standard will remain safe for a long time, in part because all of their primary and secondary characters were unique and critical to the story.

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Ok. Whatever. Lol. The parallel in this movie was absolutely there to that scene regardless if Luke had 100% confirmation then or not.

Sure, wasn't arguing that at all. The point of both places is to give both characters insight into themselves. In Luke's scene, it was to warn him about the dangerous path he was teetering on and show him the possible consequences. In Rey's scene, I believe it was to show her that she is concentrating on the wrong things. Questions of where she came from are not as important as who she will become. At least, that's how I interpreted it.

to each their own. My only qualm is "the original 3". Return of the Jedi is a joke of a movie. It provided viewers with many of the same things you don't like about the new movies when it comes to pointless plots or characters. It stands on nothing other than nostalgia. If you are going to point out all the flaws of episode 8, it would be very disingenuous to not do the same for its predecessors, especially the worst of the bunch.

Overall, I thought is was fun, exciting and a great movie. As has been said above, it was full throttle start to finish. Driving home with my 14 old son, we started talking and our 2 biggest issues was:

1) We never did find out who the hell was Snoke. I guess he was just some old guy who proclaimed himself supreme leader.

2) Rey's parents was a big letdown. Like Snoke, she was just some nobody who happened to be a Jedi master waiting to happen.

Those 2 things aside, it was great. Maybe the best line in the whole Star Wars universe

After they blow away the Luke force ghost....
"I think you got him"

neither is definitive just yet - we won't know for sure until ep 9. I'm fine with Snoke being some guy, his origin doesn't really matter to me. But Rey's past is likely not done being revealed.

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Overall, I thought is was fun, exciting and a great movie. As has been said above, it was full throttle start to finish. Driving home with my 14 old son, we started talking and our 2 biggest issues was: 1) We never did find out who the hell was Snoke. I guess he was just some old guy who proclaimed himself supreme leader. 2) Rey's parents was a big letdown. Like Snoke, she was just some nobody who happened to be a Jedi master waiting to happen. Those 2 things aside, it was great. Maybe the best line in the whole Star Wars universe After they blow away the Luke force ghost.... "I think you got him"

I actually thought it was refreshing that Rey is not connected to the characters of the original three. It's such a small universe of characters for a movie setting where there are hundreds of habitable worlds teeming with life, it's a nice change of pace.

Assuming, that is, that Kylo wasn't misleading her in an attempt to get her to join him on the darkside. Entirely possible.

Who knows, maybe Yoda stopped off at her home planet and got a little randy at the old space port.

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to each their own. My only qualm is "the original 3". Return of the Jedi is a joke of a movie. It provided viewers with many of the same things you don't like about the new movies when it comes to pointless plots or characters. It stands on nothing other than nostalgia. If you are going to point out all the flaws of episode 8, it would be very disingenuous to not do the same for its predecessors, especially the worst of the bunch.

Return of the Jedi isn't a joke. Not even close to a joke. It's the weakest of the three originals, for sure, primarily because of the recycled Death Star, the slow plot on Endor, and the Ewoks. Some people had a problem with the big Leia revelation, but I didn't. But everything with Luke and Vader in that film is fantastic, culminating in the dramatic redemption of Vader. On that point alone, saying that the film stands on nothing is mind-boggling. Vader is redeemed by his son in that film.

Plus, Boba Fett and Yoda are in that movie.

And Slave Leia, dude. Slave Leia.

Ben Solo isn't wrong.

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She may be a natural, but even Anakin F'N Skywalker needed some training... and I see Luke is back to his whiny ways...his whole "I'm done with the Jedis" act translated to "... but Aunt Beru..." for me...

Have you seen her with her staff in this and in TFA? That’s most likely where her lightsaber skills come from.

a few issues i had ..Snoke needs to be explained which i think will be in the The Last Jedi The Visual Dictionary that comes out today.Captain Phasma should have been an on going character i didn't like that they killed her off again when they had a marvel mini series in the fall and they showed her escape from starkiller base and what happens after .I guess she is the new Boba Fett ..Also where was Snap Wexley and Jess Testor ? They were both in Poe's squadron in TFA and they are not even background characters which i thought was odd ..And again no mention of Lando ..He was a general in Jedi but still no mention ..

I reallly enjoyed it. Need to see it a few more times before I rank it but I would instantly slot well above the piece of shit prequels and on par with many of the movies. Rogue One and Episode V are still my favorites.

Really my only isseu is not knowing who Snoke is and where he came from.

There is no way Rey's parents were "nobodies" no way in hell. There is more to come in regards to that. Still wont be shoked to learn she is a Skywalker.

Really good movie. Stirred a ton of emotions from my youth with Yoda, Leia Chewbacca and Luke. Just the fact that I was feeling emotional several times in the movie satisfies me.

Can't wait to see it Sunday with the entire fam.

Still very pumped up LOL

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You gotta chill. It seems more like you're trying to defend the movie and argue people's opinions rather than trying to have a discussion about the film. Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels! I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.

A lot of people had the same negative reaction to The Force Awakens. It seems like for a lot of people, if it's not the original trilogy, they don't want it. I'm not even sure why they go to see these movies if nothing ever comes close to the originals for them. I saw it last night and enjoyed it. I liked this movie, The Force Awakens and even Rogue One. We've gotten three Star Wars movies that were all at least average or solid Star Wars movies at the very worst yet there are a bunch of people out there crying about how terrible each one is. It's crazy to me. Is it a perfect movie? Of course not. It had it's stupid moments and things I would have changed. But... it was still an enjoyable Star Wars movie. For people to say it's garbage or a waste of their time... well... I'm not sure what they were expecting. I think a lot of these people are just upset about a certain thing that happens in the film.

I can't decide yet if I like this a bit more or a bit less than The Force Awakens but that's okay. I think this movie will be easier to rewatch than TFA was due to the increased amount of action here.

My little current mini rankings would probably be ESB, ANH, TFA/TLJ/ROTJ, ROTS, Rogue One (if you want to include that), TPM, AOTC. I feel like AOTC was the only bad movie. TPM was full of plenty of bad moments but I don't think it was bad overall. But the bad moments drag it down.

A lot of reviews described this movie as an emotional rollercoaster and that's 100% correct in my opinion, assuming you're invested in these characters at all. My main issues with the movie was the way they handled Snoke but I guess I'll let that play out until IX and see if they reveal anything else about him. Probably not though, and I doubt we'll care much by then. I'm not sure what to think about Rey's parents. Part of me hopes they were nobody junk traders or whatever so they can get away from the whole Skywalker thing and show that anybody can have it in them to become that powerful. But I think it'll end up being that Kylo is a liar and she's linked to somebody, maybe Obi-Wan who makes a force ghost appearance.

My biggest issue heading into IX is that it's hard to care about what's left. A reason we were so excited about VII is that Han, Chewy and the gang were coming back. VIII with Luke. You had the old mixed with the new. Now it's mostly just the new and I'm not sure how to feel about that. A large part of me is hoping we get a whole lot of force ghost action in IX. It would be cheap fan service but still. I'm interested to see how it goes between Rey and Kylo and I really liked their interactions in The Last Jedi but I don't know if that's enough to make episode IX special. I guess we'll see.

- I liked all of the interaction between Luke and Rey. I don’t believe what Kylo Ren said about her parents, I think she does have other parentage but I don’t know what such parentage could be. The fact that the Force is so strong with her and it looks like she doesn’t really need as much training as others have, lead me to this thought. And her connection with Kylo Ren. Since the connection is a little similar to the one Leia and Luke have (and it wasn’t available when Luke “turned off his connection to the Force”), I wondered during the movie if Rey and Ben were brother/sister.
- I like how Rey easily believed in herself to move boulders to let the others out and thought that it is an interesting contrast to Luke who could barely move a few stones during his early training with Yoda.
- The connection between Rey and Finn – romantic or more of a brother/sister type relationship or just the best of friends? Rose’s comments toward the end to Finn complicate this question somewhat.
- I thought it was interesting that Billie Lourd (Carrie Fisher’s daughter) wore her hair up in two buns, but they were more toward the back of her head than on the sides, but it was an obvious homage to A New Hope.
- I actually did not like Kylo Ren in the TFA but liked him better in TLJ. What do you all think about his motivation to kill Snoke – did he turn good for a brief time (and to save Rey) or do you think he was always inclined to become the Supreme Leader himself?
- I was shocked at how many characters were killed off and though Leia wasn’t killed off in the actual movie, she obviously won’t be in the third so it is a bit sad to me that the only surviving original characters left are the droids and Chewbacca, who I would have liked to see a little more of in the movie.
- I did think it was a bit too long. I think they could have edited out at least 30 minutes and created a tighter movie without really losing anything.
- I thought the CGI was pretty good.
- I saw it in 3D but didn’t feel you really gained anything from it being in 3D. (As an aside, the only movie I’ve ever seen in 3D that was completely worthwhile and better in 3D was Avatar.)
- I think a few elements were hokey (Leia in space, etc.) but the same could be said for every SW movie.
- While I liked some of the humor, a few comic lines felt forced. I miss Han being the one to deliver the laugh lines.

I like the movie more after thinking about for a while and will likely see it again.I do wonder if the last one will be a good 20+ years set into the future but would rather see what happens with Rey before then.

At the end, before Luke disappears from Kylo, he says "see you around, kid"....

It hit me that Han Solo had a habit of calling Luke kid a lot in the original trilogy. I looked it up, and there are several quotes from him that reference "kid"...

No match for a good blaster at your side, "kid".
Great "kid", now don't get cocky.
"Kid", I’ve flown from one side of this galaxy to the other....

To name a few. So I guess that was a subtle dig at Kylo from Luke for Han?

Ben for a while. I’m not surprised at all he killed him. I’m just surprised it happened when it did.

Leia being Rey's master, or at least having her mentor her. But with Carrie Fischer's passing, I doubt that it plays out that way.

I have absolutely no problem with Rey's parents being nobody. I hope they are nobodies. They need to open up the universe, introduce tons of new characters so there can be mysteries outside of the Skywalker/Solo clans.

The Snoke thing bothered me as well. But overall I really dug the flick. Was a lot of action and every scene with Luke and Rey together just popped.

What a shitty story. Disappointed

but could have lost the entire Finn storyline and it would only improve the film. Also wish we watched Luke actually train Rey rather than milking some space creature. Weird.

their premiums must be through the roof!

I'll be seeing it again to get a better handle on it.

Negatives:
-I felt the humor was corny and or forced. (leading off the movie with a jerky boys esque phone scam, really?) in contrast, I laughed at most of the jokes in TFA.
-the entire Finn arc was pointless
-Leia Poppins... ugh
-I never really felt any tension or danger for the protagonists
-phasma is another cool looking disposable a la maul/fett/grievous

Positives:
-Luke/Rey scenes
-Reylo
-crait battle and the samurai showdown

Random cool things:
-yoda's "fuck yo tree"
-shadow of the millennium falcon on crait before it starts serving up tie fighters
-lightspeed through the snoke ship
-Leia blasting poe
-the new walkers and kylo tie fighter

I have to admit to schadenfreude regarding Rey parentage and Snoke origin. I was so tired of hearing people's theories for two years I was glad it was for naught.

It kicked major ass

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I'll be seeing it again to get a better handle on it. Negatives: -I felt the humor was corny and or forced. (leading off the movie with a jerky boys esque phone scam, really?) in contrast, I laughed at most of the jokes in TFA. -the entire Finn arc was pointless -Leia Poppins... ugh -I never really felt any tension or danger for the protagonists -phasma is another cool looking disposable a la maul/fett/grievous Positives: -Luke/Rey scenes -Reylo -crait battle and the samurai showdown Random cool things: -yoda's "fuck yo tree" -shadow of the millennium falcon on crait before it starts serving up tie fighters -lightspeed through the snoke ship -Leia blasting poe -the new walkers and kylo tie fighter I have to admit to schadenfreude regarding Rey parentage and Snoke origin. I was so tired of hearing people's theories for two years I was glad it was for naught.

Agree with most of this. For some reason I feel like I have no interest in anything having to do with Finn or Poe. They are trying to push them as main characters but I find them both to be very uninteresting and just a distraction from the main storyline surrounding Rey and Kylo.

In no random order

- Amazing action sequences. Really enjoyed this aspect of the movie. Absolutely breathtaking scenes.

- I thought they made Poe look awesome. Pretty much a "Maverick" from Top Gun type character. His interactions with (the best newer character) BB8. BB8 was awesome.

- I haven't cared for Finn or his stories. The most interesting part of Finn was him sacrificing himself and they took that away. Wrong move. Should have let him die a hero. A good death.

- Luke milking that big fucker and drinking the milk? Did we need to see that?

- Leia Poppins. In the moment I was like "bruh she's floating through space with no mask. Should be dead.... Yada Yada Yada.". Today? Fuck it. It's Star Wars, She's Princess Leia... I'm gonna let it slide. She died in real life... I'm giving them a pass.

- Snoke... I feel two different ways about this. I feel on one hand... That Snoke was a huge missed opportunity to create a larger than life DS figure. One the other hand... They sacrificed Snoke to continue the build for Kylo in the top "heel" spot. Plus... It seems like every DS baddie goes out in a movie or two. Maul, General G, Dooku, Boba Fett ect. So I was fine with the direction they took. If they continue the upwards trajection of Kylo... It'll be worth it.

I thought the Luke scenes kicked ass. Especially the swerve at the end with him using his protection. I loved it.

-Yoda. "fuck yo couch". Loved that scene.

- the hyperdrive into Snokes ship? That was fantastic. What a visual.

- Reys parents? Either a huge missed opportunity to do something incredibly fun with... Or Ren was talking out his ass. I'm not sure.

I really want to watch it again... But I genuinely care about what happens with Rey, Poe, Leia and Ren. And I feel that episode 8 did it's job in that respect. Do I care how episode 9 ends and what becomes of these new characters. My answer? A resounding yes.

I definitely agree that Luke's last line was an homage to Han.

In fact, I found it interesting that almost all the snarky, cynical, funny things that would have been things Han would say were said by Luke. I saw an interview with Mark Hamill where he talked about loving the arc of his character - the most innocent/naive character in the first film to this one where he has become so cynical and withdrawn from everything he once believed in so strongly. After seeing the movie, I do think part of that was Han rubbing off on him/being proved right about the universe over the years.

Anyway, I enjoyed the movie. I agree that some of the dialogue was awkward. However, most people (who aren't Star Wars worshipers) thought the original trilogy had some pretty clunky/bad dialogue - so that doesn't bug me much.

and the more I like it.

Looking forward to a second viewing with my 6 year old, next week.

have been trimmed, seemed to drag in the middle a bit. The journey was almost all self discovery as the action is such a short time, basically a chase scene from space to the planet.

I thought the Snoke scene where Rey and KR fight together was thrilling and breathtaking. Movie theater erupted in cheers (how often does that happen)

I loved seeing Yoda, thought he acted like he did in the original trilogy.funny, wise and pestering.

The opening was great, riveting action and bittersweet with all the loss.

I wanted to see Luke fight once more so I was a bit disappointed by his great fake out, but it was a original turn. Wanted to see the green sabre (which was a clue he wasnt there since it was blue and Rey has that) in action again.

All in all had a good time and cant wait to see 9.

lightspeed acrifice attack was awesome

I felt it was unnecessary to kill Luke off at the end. Would have rather seen him survive although he’s likely to show up as a force ghost in Ep 9. But it would have been satisfying to see him fight side by side Rey in next movie.

let Luke drink his milk without giving him shit.

I want to love it...but I don't. IN MY OPINION, it was just meh.

I will need to see it again though.

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Maybe B Had great parts and then some cringeworthy scenes that took me back to the prequels

thank you tommy...glad i wasn't the only one.

my reaction is more muted. It didn't "feel" like a Star Wars movie, but then again, I'm now 43 years old and I lived and died with Star Wars as an 8 year old child in the 1980s, so nothing will live up to the hype. JJ Abrams gave the fan service in TFA.

It was too long, they could have tightened the story line up and cut out some scenes that went on too long.

The casino world was way too much crap. I get that we see some of that in Mos Eisely, and some more on Jabba's Sail Barge. But this just went on and on.

Wonder woman Leia was awful and we never really saw a Jedi have an out of body telepathy thing either from Luke. But they had to give him a heroic death. I was glad it wasn't from getting the shit blown out of him by the "even bigger AT-ATs"

That said, I give the storyline credit for the plot twists. I didn't see Snoke getting chopped in half like that. He's no Emperor that's for sure.

As for Rey, my own theory remains...she's like Anakin Skywalker. She's a vergence in the force. She has no "parents", just the force made her. That's why she only saw herself when she went into the island cave. So where the story begins with Anakin to bring balance to the force and destroy the Sith, it will end with Rey doing it.

My other thought was hoping she was made as a clone of sorts from Luke's hand. If they found his lightsaber, they found his hand. I think Kylo Ren was talking shit saying her parents were nobodies. He didn't want her to know that she's more powerful than him, which we already know.

Also, Captain Phasma is the new Darth Maul. Looked cool for 2 seconds in the previews, but actually was a no talent chump who didn't do much of anything.

I did appreciate Luke's end coming where he helped with the rebellion continue on and seeing the 2 suns setting, where we saw him staring off at it on Tatooine back in 1977 was a good way to send him off. But I'm sure he'll come back as a force ghost. Speaking of force ghosts, how is it possible after 30 years and all the tech advances, puppet Yoda still looks better than the CGI shit they do with him. Let Frank Oz run him like a muppet again.

Also, at the end of all this, they'd better let Chewbacca have a huge role to win everything and give him a fucking medal like he should have gotten on Yavin.

Jar Jar Rose

and what was with Luke drinking some titty milk?

Wasnt Ezra. I wondef wtf will happen in the last 4 eps of Rebels....will Kanan and Ezra live and be hiding giving Rey a chance to be daughter of 1 of them? Will Thrawn live and possibly be the real driving force behind Kylo? Or am I just dreaming they will connect Rebels anymore than they have?

Positives:

--Luke steals every scene he is in; unquestioned star of the movie
--Yoda meeting Luke as a force ghost changing the trajectory of the story
--Rey trying to turn Kylo Ren back to the light, but failing/Rey-Kylo mind interactions
--The very last scene with the slave boy Force-grabbing the broom. Could lead to Rey creating a new Jedi order in the future
--The humor (Chewbacca baking a Porg and all the Porgs getting mad at him; Luke milking the creature for green milk)

Negatives:

--Snoke getting killed off. He's supposed to be the big baddie who created the First Order out of the ashes of the Empire, and emo Kylo Ren kills him with a stab in the back? Therefore, we will have...
--No Luke/Snoke confrontation. Snoke corrupted Kylo and Luke's students and Luke doesn't get his chance to take Snoke out?
--Where were the Knights of Ren? Weren't they supposed to be Luke's younglings before Kylo destroyed his Jedi Order? Wasn't Kylo and the Knights of Ren the reason why Luke put himself in exile?
--No lightsaber duel. You have to see at least one in a Star Wars film
--The Canto Bight sequence was solely written in for that final shot of the boy Force-grabbing his broom

Overall it was good but they devalued a lot of the big villains and none of the original cast is left aside from Chewbacca and the droids

Overall very good IMO, I’d grade it a solid B+. Strong step up from TFA. Most of the positives and negatives already discussed here are on point for me. For me the good mostly outweighed the bad, I was engrossed the whole movie. My take:

Positives:

- I LOVED Luke in this one. IMO, excellent work by Mark Hamill. Managed to make Luke a legendary Jedi Master, a still naive at times Jedi apprentice, and a human being with quirks. I’m also really glad he was actually dead at the end, would have ruined the effort otherwise.
- Poe - excellent again
- Rey - Daisy Ridleys done a very good job IMO carrying a big role
- Some good nods to the nostalgia without overdoing it - C3P0, R2, Chewy, Yoda, some Han references
- The humorous bits mostly worked for me...laughed out loud with the crowd a few times. Like the funny little creatures on the island - meaningless to the story, but gave Chewy the chance to show some personality.
- Loved Snokes demise - Didn’t see that coming
- Action sequences very well directed, with good musical components. Rian Johnson delivered.

Negatives:

- way over the top with the obvious references to current day politics. We get it, that’s an underlying theme of the story, but I was so forced it didn’t seem authentic.
- Hope we hear more of Snokes backstory
- I agree that Finn was a dud in this one. I was actually bummed he didn’t succeed in sacrificing himself. Weakest of the new main characters by far.
- Benicio Del Toro - bleh. Silly character with predictable story turn. His mumbling was hilarious in Usual Suspects, it was terrible here.

For me, I’m reminded that when George Lucas made A New Hope, he had no idea if he’d get to write even one more sequel, so that story stood alone with a good conclusion while leaving the sequel door open. TFA was written knowing a lot more was coming in the rest of the trilogy.

What they would have done different had they known Carrie Fisher(sp) would not have been around for the sequel. It seems clear that her role in the next one would have been large

RIP Leah

a little more back story about Snoke and the Order in general. I know that they do it in the comics and what not, but felt it should be on screen

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Thanks for that eye-opening analysis. Your contributions, as always, are indispensable.


I'm always perplexed at how much we analyze and nitpick these movies, saying this or that was stupid or didn't make sense.

It's a movie about fucking space wizards, of course crazy nonsensical shit happened.

People don't seem to understand that SW is whimsical space fantasy. It's not science fiction. Sometimes silly things happen. Sometimes teddy bears demolish Imperial troops. It's fantasy. It's what SW has always been.

...film was disjointed and directed poorly. Enjoyable overall but could have been so much more. Back to the drawing board and hopefully Abrams can seal the deal with a winner.

opens up a gigantic path for Lando to come back in Episode 9 (here's hoping Billy Dee Williams is up for it).

--Bespin, where Cloud City is, is in an isolated corner of the galaxy
--Lando has all kinds of cash to build a fleet from his smuggling
--The current resistance is reduced to the Millennium Falcon (Lando's ship). You could even make it part of the plot where Lando wants the Falcon back for spare parts
--Lando's character really doesn't get his feet wet until his own neck is at stake (and you could write it that way, with the First Order still ascendant)

trilogy except for Chewbacca and the droids so putting Lando in the next movie provides some continuity

I thought they might have been Snoke’s guards. They had some cool weapons.

I thought Del Toro’s character was important to show how the wealthy benefit from conflict and because of that help both sides.

And Yoda showing Luke how to take out the tree was awesome.

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I thought they might have been Snoke’s guards. They had some cool weapons. I thought Del Toro’s character was important to show how the wealthy benefit from conflict and because of that help both sides. And Yoda showing Luke how to take out the tree was awesome.

I hope we see the Knights of Ren in Episode 9, dont think those were Snoke's guards. Luke did mention that the night at the Temple, Ben took off with a handful of his students so it was nice to get a little minor detail about them.

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I thought they might have been Snoke’s guards. They had some cool weapons. I thought Del Toro’s character was important to show how the wealthy benefit from conflict and because of that help both sides. And Yoda showing Luke how to take out the tree was awesome.

Why was it important to show how the wealthy benefit from war? It’s a Star Wars movie, not a fucking political commentary.

Well, I guess everything has to be political for some.

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In comment 13743190 RobCarpenter said: Quote: I thought they might have been Snoke’s guards. They had some cool weapons. I thought Del Toro’s character was important to show how the wealthy benefit from conflict and because of that help both sides. And Yoda showing Luke how to take out the tree was awesome. Why was it important to show how the wealthy benefit from war? It’s a Star Wars movie, not a fucking political commentary. Well, I guess everything has to be political for some.

Plenty of politics in star wars going back to the prequel trilogy, which was set against the backdrop of a failing democracy embracing the rise of a military dictatorship.

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In comment 13743471 mfsd said: Quote: In comment 13743190 RobCarpenter said: Quote: I thought they might have been Snoke’s guards. They had some cool weapons. I thought Del Toro’s character was important to show how the wealthy benefit from conflict and because of that help both sides. And Yoda showing Luke how to take out the tree was awesome. Why was it important to show how the wealthy benefit from war? It’s a Star Wars movie, not a fucking political commentary. Well, I guess everything has to be political for some. Plenty of politics in star wars going back to the prequel trilogy, which was set against the backdrop of a failing democracy embracing the rise of a military dictatorship.

Of course it is, and the politics of the time being an underlying theme of Lucas’s writing is well documented. I just found the a lot themes to be over the top and gratuitious in The Last Jedi.

Part of the story? Sure. Benicio Del Toro’s otherwise flimsy character being “important” to tell that side of the story? Silly. IMO

But in a sense, that has also followed Star Wars before it got disneyfied. The Empire was originally a racist, sexist, fascist regime that discriminated against non-humans and women.

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But in a sense, that has also followed Star Wars before it got disneyfied. The Empire was originally a racist, sexist, fascist regime that discriminated against non-humans and women.

Yup fair points. It was even more obviously Nazi-esque in the original trilogy after all

he force grabbed the broom, right? Maybe the next movie will be set in the future and that's how they will write off Leia

I want a porg

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he force grabbed the broom, right? Maybe the next movie will be set in the future and that's how they will write off Leia

Yup...that was a cool little ending.

Really sucks Carrie Fisher won’t get to film her own ending...she was great in this one

both as written and played by a god awful actor. The character screws up veering he touches and keeps trying to run away in both movies. He just distracts from every scene he's in....so bad that I kept rooting for him to die.

Does anyone else feel this way? Better yet.....is there anyone who enjoys his character or how he's portrayed by the actor playing him? Honestly curious to see how others feels about him.

and they didn't capitalize on that momentum. I agree with another poster who said they should have just let him die taking out the cannon.

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both as written and played by a god awful actor. The character screws up veering he touches and keeps trying to run away in both movies. He just distracts from every scene he's in....so bad that I kept rooting for him to die. Does anyone else feel this way? Better yet.....is there anyone who enjoys his character or how he's portrayed by the actor playing him? Honestly curious to see how others feels about him.

The Rose and Finn subplot added nothing. If you take out all of their scenes, nothing changes.

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Boyega as Finn stands out as weak to me in no small way bc I think Daisy Ridley has done a fine job through 2 movies as Rey (especially spending so much of this movie acting alone or one on one across from Mark Hamill killing it as a Luke), and Oscar Isaac has reinvented the Han Solo type character as Poe.

I felt I just watched "Return of the Jedi" again.

Am I taking crazy pills or is no one else noticing that they are simply copying the old films?

In comment 13745762 Eric from BBI said:

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I felt I just watched "Return of the Jedi" again. Am I taking crazy pills or is no one else noticing that they are simply copying the old films?

It wasn't a copy of Return of the Jedi.

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I felt I just watched "Return of the Jedi" again. Am I taking crazy pills or is no one else noticing that they are simply copying the old films?

Awakens was similar to ANH but this was not that similar to RotJ. The plot twists with Leia, Snoke, and Luke were all pretty unique (even though I didn't care for the Leia twist).

I think its as simple as some people just won't be satisfied. Did you like any aspect of it?

The Snokes scene was almost exactly the same as the Emperor scene in Return, down to having her watch the fleet getting blown up.

I like the cast... except Laura Dern's character was awful.


whomever is writing these scripts is downright lazy. Well at least there wasn't another Death Star in this one.

Snoke wasn't supposed to die in the eyes of pretty much everyone. My packed theater was collectively shocked when it happened. He was supposed to be a focal point heading into ep 9. And Dern's scene may have been the coolest of the entire series which was also unexpected.

When you have movies continuing the same universe with some of the same characters you are going to have plot parallels. When the franchise reboots in the next trilogy you'll get a new story.

other similarities...

Jedi Master dies/fading away...Vader/Ren being conflicted saving Luke/Rey... Jedi training... Rey falling into pit like Luke in and seeing himself/herself, etc. Same movie.

Dern's scene was unexpected? She signed her own death as soon as she stayed. The only surprise was the dumb ass didn't save two-thirds of her fellow rebels by turning her ship around immediately and launch herself into the fleet. It was expected. The delay wasn't.

that her ultimate goal of sacrificing herself wasn't immediately clear. Maybe it was just me. And like I said, it was one of the coolest visuals of the series.

is literally THE story of a Jedi. How many times do we here about darkness being suppressed in favor of following the light? That's the entire point of these movies. If it happened with Anakin, then with Luke, why wouldn't it happen with Rey, Kylo, etc?

I get you want a completely new universe, but that isn't what's being advertised. Its the continuation of the current story. You can't just erase the foundation because you think its a carbon copy.

Something tells me you weren't going to like it no matter what.

but not as blatant as TFA and ANH similarities, imo.

I didn't hate the movie, but was a bit underwhelmed.

Best scenes were:
- Snoke death / Rey & Kylo fight vs guards
- Lightspeed cuts huge ship in half
- Luke projection vs Kylo on Crait

Everything else was just "meh" to me. I feel like this could have been really, really amazing if they trimmed all the fat and gave slightly more time to the good stuff.

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is literally THE story of a Jedi. How many times do we here about darkness being suppressed in favor of following the light? That's the entire point of these movies. If it happened with Anakin, then with Luke, why wouldn't it happen with Rey, Kylo, etc? I get you want a completely new universe, but that isn't what's being advertised. Its the continuation of the current story. You can't just erase the foundation because you think its a carbon copy. Something tells me you weren't going to like it no matter what.

Uconn... we'll agree to disagree. I could argue you were going to like it no matter what. (And it's not just that there was conflict, but it was the same exact same scene in the Emperor's chambers except this time the body guard got involved).

I came out of TFA thinking, "That was good...it felt like the old one." Then it dawned on me that I just watched "New Hope" again. I wrote it off to them rebooting the series. But this one was just too similar to Jedi.

Again, I like the character. Rey and Poe are really cool. Finn has his moments.

good comments... my other knock was similar to your "cutting the fat" take... they were trying to quite a bit with many subplot story lines.

for fuck sake... how much time?

this movie tried to be original and it accomplished it. but in the end it sacrificed the fucking characters i loved. Luke i always envisioned to go out in a blaze of glory. instead dies meditating from afar. big whoop...

2.5 review from me


Pros:
Original story
The Rey and Kylo fight scene
First spaceship battle

Cons: and there are alot of cons

Leia Poppins
Luke dying like a bitch
Snoke dying like a bitch and no clue why he was so powerful
Kylo being a big whiny baby
Finns story
"Buying time" done 50 times in this movie
Waste of Captain Phasma
Dragged for so long
and etc

Absolutely hated:
Luke's dad jokes
the ad's saying not the spoil this when there was nothing to spoil.


this had to be the most original star wars movie only to hurt the original star wars characters character. it was a mess.

"Leia Poppins" LOL

as I know it is an unpopular opinion, but I though Last Jedi was just OK. I thought Daisy Ridley was very good, but the rest of the cast was hit and miss. One thing that has always bothered me about Star Wars, and was even more evident in this film, is for how much of a military power the Empire is, they are REALLY incompetent in battle.

The opening scene was ridiculous. One fighter gets through their defenses to destroy the Dreadnaught? How does that happen? And while they catch the rebels in the midst of escaping, that same fighter distracts Empire forces for 5 minutes, and the rebels all escape? All their people and equipment? Absurd.

And then with the finale, one rebel fighter takes off, and EVERY Empire fighter follows him? They are the most incompetent battle legion since F-Troop.

And I'm sorry, but Adam Driver just sucks. He can't act his way out of a paper bag. Kylo Ren is a horrible villain anyway. He's a whiny little bitch, and he's supposed to be the successor one of the great movie villains of all time? It's like following Bill Parcells with Ray Handley.

My wife loves Brienne of Tarth so she was also really disappointed with Captain Phasma's death.

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that her ultimate goal of sacrificing herself wasn't immediately clear. Maybe it was just me. And like I said, it was one of the coolest visuals of the series.

Her flying into the fleet was unexpected judging by my theater.

I don't know why. She was dead anyways and just watching the people die who she had just sacrificed herself for. It was as predictable (and expected) as it comes. Hell, it's been done in other sci-fi reboots (see Star Trek).

I still think there's enough out there that isn't definitive to be able to accurately critique the movie. Some of your list, GMAN, may not actually happen as you think it did.

My 14-year old son focuses big time on the little stuff like you do with the battle scenes. Some of this is done for the drama effect (obviously), but he was bothered by the fact that the last bomber was pretty much ignored while the pilot was waiting an eternity for the remote to fall into her hands. "Dad, there was one bomber left, everyone would have been firing at it!"

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My 14-year old son focuses big time on the little stuff like you do with the battle scenes. Some of this is done for the drama effect (obviously), but he was bothered by the fact that the last bomber was pretty much ignored while the pilot was waiting an eternity for the remote to fall into her hands. "Dad, there was one bomber left, everyone would have been firing at it!"

He's right! A lot is done for effect, and to underline how their hatred clouds their decision making, but sometimes it is too ridiculous to stand. And I didn't even get to the Empire guards battle, where Rey and Kylo Ren were outnumbered 3 to 1, and the 2 guards would stand back and watch while one did battle with either Rey or Kylo Ren. This is far from unique to Star Wars, hell, you can go back to the original Three Musketeers and see the same thing, but it is something that always bothers me.

with a major weakness to exploit and make a story about?

Come on...

In comment 13745776 Eric from BBI said:

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other similarities... Jedi Master dies/fading away...Vader/Ren being conflicted saving Luke/Rey... Jedi training... Rey falling into pit like Luke in and seeing himself/herself, etc. Same movie.

When Jedi Masters die, they fade away. Are they supposed to change that?

Ren didn't save Rey. He killed Snoke to take over.

Jedi training wasn't in Return of the Jedi. (And Jedis need training, so why is that a problem?)

Luke didn't go into the cave in Return of the Jedi.

Not the same movie.

In comment 13745839 Eric from BBI said:

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My 14-year old son focuses big time on the little stuff like you do with the battle scenes. Some of this is done for the drama effect (obviously), but he was bothered by the fact that the last bomber was pretty much ignored while the pilot was waiting an eternity for the remote to fall into her hands. "Dad, there was one bomber left, everyone would have been firing at it!"

But weren't they X-Wings out there trying to keep the Ties off of the bombers. Probably easier to protect one bomber instead of 5 or 6.

shows fresh ideas but it sacrificed alot of the characters i loved to be bitch. Especially Luke... i mean if i envisioned it and their buying time shit. Luke would go out dying in a blaze of glory trying to save rey or his sister. instead he fades on a rock. big whoop...


leia poppins.. good god was that a stupid scene.

And let Finn die saving the resistence. instead he is kept alive by a character that i could care less for. and she didnt die... arrgghhh

if he even did die. Again, your view may change after episode 9. Agree on the other two points but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

In comment 13745775 UConn4523 said:

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Snoke wasn't supposed to die in the eyes of pretty much everyone. My packed theater was collectively shocked when it happened. He was supposed to be a focal point heading into ep 9. And Dern's scene may have been the coolest of the entire series which was also unexpected.

Unexpected? She would have been a moron to do anything else, she was dying anyway. Another example for the brilliant military force not being prepared for the painfully obvious.

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if he even did die. Again, your view may change after episode 9. Agree on the other two points but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

see i put to much faith in this to begin with(as you can tell) but how can they fix that... luke will be a blue ghost... big whoop.

also felt kind of bad for general hux. being thrown around and choked throughout the movie. hahaha

OK... so it copied elements of Empire and Jedi.

I feel like the character in Zoolander who says, "Am I taking crazy pills?" when you guys can't see they simply copied the same storylines from the earlier ones.

The most important scene in Jedi was the Emperor/Luke scene. The most important scene in this film was the Snokes/Rey scene. They were virtually identical. Luke tried to save Vader. Rey tried to save Ren (you are not understanding my point there).

to admit I also wanted to see Luke go out in a blaze of glory, though thank God they didn't copy the Obi Wan scene where he just allowed himself to be struck down.

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for fuck sake... how much time? this movie tried to be original and it accomplished it. but in the end it sacrificed the fucking characters i loved. Luke i always envisioned to go out in a blaze of glory. instead dies meditating from afar. big whoop... 2.5 review from me Pros: Original story The Rey and Kylo fight scene First spaceship battle Cons: and there are alot of cons Leia Poppins Luke dying like a bitch Snoke dying like a bitch and no clue why he was so powerful Kylo being a big whiny baby Finns story "Buying time" done 50 times in this movie Waste of Captain Phasma Dragged for so long and etc Absolutely hated: Luke's dad jokes the ad's saying not the spoil this when there was nothing to spoil. this had to be the most original star wars movie only to hurt the original star wars characters character. it was a mess.

I probably could have done without Leia Poppins, but she is a Force user.

Well, Johnson said that he thought Luke's story essentially wrapped up in Return of the Jedi. Or did you expect him to show up with his laser sword and singlehandedly save the galaxy (loved that line)?

While I would have liked to know more abut Snoke, his death was necessary to allow Ren's transition from wanna-be Vader to Dark Side badass (assuming that during the time jump from VIII to IX, he becomes much more sure of himself and ruthless).

In the beginning, Finn is looking to flee to save his own skin. Then he gets a look that the grass is not always greener on the other side. By the end, he's ready to sacrifice himself. I liked the transformation.

I didn't want to see Luke Skywalker basically die from exhaustion from meditating.

In comment 13745776 Eric from BBI said:

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other similarities... Jedi Master dies/fading away...Vader/Ren being conflicted saving Luke/Rey... Jedi training... Rey falling into pit like Luke in and seeing himself/herself, etc. Same movie.

I don’t think Ren is conflicted. The history of the Sith requires the apprentice to kill the master. Ren used Rey to help him become the next Sith Lord.

I think there is conflict. You see it when he couldn't kill his mother.

but it cant end well for Ren. Not after killing his father. He can redeem himself, but I can't see him ending up with a happy ending in 9.

Hopefully they create an animated series to bridge ROTJ to TFA and explain Snoke in there. Do want to know his back story.

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OK... so it copied elements of Empire and Jedi. I feel like the character in Zoolander who says, "Am I taking crazy pills?" when you guys can't see they simply copied the same storylines from the earlier ones. The most important scene in Jedi was the Emperor/Luke scene. The most important scene in this film was the Snokes/Rey scene. They were virtually identical. Luke tried to save Vader. Rey tried to save Ren (you are not understanding my point there).

I see that they have recycled ideas. (You can put your crazy pills away for now.)

But to say it was the same movie as one (or two) of the originals is not just wrong, it's absurd. What about all the stuff that was new?

I guess the only points that can be made these days are extreme ones.

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I didn't want to see Luke Skywalker basically die from exhaustion from meditating.

this!!!!!!!!!!!

The Rebel, throughout this movie, fails.

Poe fails early on. His actions lead to a lot of deaths.

Rey never finds out who her parents are.

Finn and Rose go to the casino to find the codebreaker. They fail. They fail again when he turns. (On that note, I'm glad they had del Toro's character turn. Not everyone buys into the Rebels' cause. Him taking a deal was a great reminder that some pay want a payday).

Luke fails Ben. Luke, in a way, fails Rey.

Snoke fails to kill Rey.

Ben fails to kill Luke. Luke does die, but not before helping the Rebellion slip away. Again, Ben fails to whip out the Rebels.

that not everyone takes a side in this battle. And some people are playing both sides.

You kind of forget how big this galaxy is. Not everyone is hellbent on destroying the other side. Some people just want to profit off that conflict.

Don't get me wrong... I still go see these movies. (Which is rare for me because I hardly go to the movies anymore). And I'm glad I saw it. But this series has suffered from copying for a while. We've had three Death Star/Planet films. I actually was please that they did Revenge of the Sith because it was different.

I like this reboot mostly because of the characters. They hit a home run with Rey. But TFA was New Hope and this one was basically Jedi. I suggests to me they are afraid of taking chances.

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I think there is conflict. You see it when he couldn't kill his mother.

Maybe. I think too many people are assuming he’s conflicted. Anakin still loved Padme when he was full on dark side slaughtering young Jedi.

It’s plausible that he simply has a special bond with his mother. Ren slaughtered people in cold blood in TFA. He killed his father. He used Rey to assume the Sith throne. He has an attraction to Rey, but when she wouldn’t join him, he was prepared to strike her down. He tried to strike down Luke.

This also explains why there wasn’t much of a backstory on Snoke. We’re seeing the backstory live of the next great Sith Lord. No one cried about not seeing the backstory for the Sith Lord the Emperor apprenticed under.

From half way thru A New Hope on Luke was selfless and would throw himself into a hopeless situation to do what's right and save his friends/family/galaxy. In this movie his own student, Ben Solo, his own flesh and blood, goes dark so Luke runs away and hides like a bitch?

In Jedi Luke felt a little tiny bit of light left in the baddest dude in the galaxy, Darth Vader, so he went on a suicide mission to try to redeem Anakin Skywalker. In this new movie he senses darkness in Ben so his first instinct was to murder him in his sleep?
I don't know who the character was in this movie but it certainly wasn't Luke Skywalker.

If you're a lifelong Star Wars fan that cares about these characters then this movie is steaming hot stinking garbage, if you're new to Star Wars or just never cared that much then you'll have no idea what's going on and will love the movie - it is a very pretty film and porgs are cute.

I enjoyed TFA – I get it was a fan service and rhymed a lot with ANH, but it laid groundwork and setup some interesting questions. My major problem with TLJ is that all that groundwork was just blown up for no other reason than getting to say they subverted the formula and took it in a new direction.

I thought a lot of this would be resolved with this flick, but….

Issue with TLJ:
- So does anything setup by TFA really matter? Rey’s parents are no one. Snoke is a gold tracksuit wearing goober who gets offed after his 2nd major scene and gets a post-mortem comedy send off with his tongue hanging out.
- The whole pickup from the last movie is….off. The First Order just blew up a number of planets, but had a major setback. However, despite having Starkiller Base destroyed they are in full pursuit of a massively dwindled Resistance that only has a handful of ships in their entire fleet? I did not really get the feeling that things were so bad for the Resistance post-TFA as they were celebrating and having a grand ole time with what appeared to be considerable forces, but here we are…
- The scale/scope is really small and it doesn’t feel like the main plot really matters. The side-stories obviously expand it, but the plot in simplest form is a slow 4 hour chase scene.
- Leia’s space scene was jarringly stupid – I am watching a movie about space wizards wielding laser beam swords, but this was so ridiculous and poorly CGI’ed that it took me out of the movie for a bit.
- If Holdo just says, “Hey – these escape vessels cloak and we can sneak down to that base – there’s no reason for me to keep a secret from the 92 or so people left alive, but let’s just keep it on the DL for right now” we skip the terrible Finn subplot, said ships don’t get blown up when Finn’s MacGuffin storyline ends in a telegraphed betrayal and a lot of the fat and bloat this film has magically goes away.
- The Finn subplot – Rose is a Jar Jar level character, the undertones/political statement were as subtle as a brick through a plate glass on the Casino world and it added nothing. Throw in a really weird cameo from Maz to kick this train wreck off and this one should have been left in the brainstorming room.
- Disposable characters – Phasma was a cool design to sell a toy, but did nothing. Snoke was a joke. I get there’s precedence for this kind of thing (looking at you Boba), but why bother introducing one dimensional characters that are hyped up to be something and end up being a simple plot device to get thrown away.
- Luke Skywalker toppled the Empire, but is largely dismissed as a myth in TFA. Luke Skywalker takes on 12 AT-ATs and uses Neo's moves from the Matrix against Kylo Ren, witnessed only by the First Order and 42 surviving Resistance members and it proves to be the spark that is going to set off the rebellion/resistance in the final chapter? Nitpicky? Yes, but you can't build a world where he's dismissed as a myth for something that likely everyone in the galaxy was aware of and then legitimized when something on a remote planet that next to no one witnessed occurs.
- Prequel humor – I liked that TFA had goofs, but not “Har Har, meesa poopy” prequel jokes. TFJ leveraged the latter – with a lot of scenes using it often.

Positives of TLJ:
- Adam Driver killed it with Kylo Ren and the interaction between he and Rey were gold. If they focused on this storyline and built more of a tease as to whether or not they would join to reach their ends (Rey thinking she can save him, Ren to achieve his misguided destiny) and setup for the final entry, we could’ve had something here. Add in some proper Jedi training for Rey and leaving early to pursue her own selfish ends (even if it is a heavy borrow from ESB), it would’ve been more interesting and focused on the strength of this film.
- Warp drive through a battle cruiser scene was great.
- It wasn’t just a recreation of Empire Strikes Back, but….I really am not interested in where the few threads that are out there get tied together anymore. The interesting questions have been dismissed and the only real questions I have going into the next one is “So what’s left to do besides topple Kylo and the First Order?” There's no mystery or burning questions, just the inevitable bow on top that seems to open future trilogies to not be tied to the Skywalker clan, as the past is just about fully killed now.

In comment 13745933 Eric from BBI said:

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Don't get me wrong... I still go see these movies. (Which is rare for me because I hardly go to the movies anymore). And I'm glad I saw it. But this series has suffered from copying for a while. We've had three Death Star/Planet films. I actually was please that they did Revenge of the Sith because it was different. I like this reboot mostly because of the characters. They hit a home run with Rey. But TFA was New Hope and this one was basically Jedi. I suggests to me they are afraid of taking chances.

This isn't a reboot. The reboot is coming after Ep 9. We are seeing the conclusion of the original story unfold. I think that's important to keep in mind as there are going to inherently be a ton of parallels.

of the First Order destroyer chasing it. But what was preventing First Order from having another ship or a ton of tie fighters blow past the Resistance ship, get in front of it and then attack it from the front?

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In comment 13745891 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I didn't want to see Luke Skywalker basically die from exhaustion from meditating. this!!!!!!!!!!!

It wasn't just "exhaustion from meditating" - he was sacrificing himself to save his sister and the Resistance. When Kylo and Rey first connect, you hear him say "you aren't doing this, it would tear you apart" - Luke tore himself apart doing that projection to save everyone.

In comment 13745933 Eric from BBI said:

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Don't get me wrong... I still go see these movies. (Which is rare for me because I hardly go to the movies anymore). And I'm glad I saw it. But this series has suffered from copying for a while. We've had three Death Star/Planet films. I actually was please that they did Revenge of the Sith because it was different. I like this reboot mostly because of the characters. They hit a home run with Rey. But TFA was New Hope and this one was basically Jedi. I suggests to me they are afraid of taking chances.

And don't get me wrong, I have a lot of criticisms with these new movies, starting with the storytelling, which seems to be a lost art these days, especially in cinema.

I plan on seeing each new Star Wars movie unless they get to a point where the movies are just horrible (like the entire prequel trilogy). I don't think they're close to horrible. I just find them disappointing in the sense of missing some great opportunities.

It's just a shame there's no greatness with these new movies. They had many years to think this all through, and I hoped that they would have come up with something great, instead of just entertaining but flawed.

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In comment 13745920 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: In comment 13745891 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I didn't want to see Luke Skywalker basically die from exhaustion from meditating. this!!!!!!!!!!! It wasn't just "exhaustion from meditating" - he was sacrificing himself to save his sister and the Resistance. When Kylo and Rey first connect, you hear him say "you aren't doing this, it would tear you apart" - Luke tore himself apart doing that projection to save everyone.

meh... weak still. would have been better to use his fucking force and kick ass one last time. nope. Rian knows better i guess.

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From half way thru A New Hope on Luke was selfless and would throw himself into a hopeless situation to do what's right and save his friends/family/galaxy. In this movie his own student, Ben Solo, his own flesh and blood, goes dark so Luke runs away and hides like a bitch? In Jedi Luke felt a little tiny bit of light left in the baddest dude in the galaxy, Darth Vader, so he went on a suicide mission to try to redeem Anakin Skywalker. In this new movie he senses darkness in Ben so his first instinct was to murder him in his sleep? I don't know who the character was in this movie but it certainly wasn't Luke Skywalker. If you're a lifelong Star Wars fan that cares about these characters then this movie is steaming hot stinking garbage, if you're new to Star Wars or just never cared that much then you'll have no idea what's going on and will love the movie - it is a very pretty film and porgs are cute.

Good points. And ultimately, he was abandoning Leia. That didn't make any sense. At least they used the old projection of her to snap him back to reality, but this is Luke.

In comment 13746089 Giantology said:

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In comment 13745920 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: In comment 13745891 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I didn't want to see Luke Skywalker basically die from exhaustion from meditating. this!!!!!!!!!!! It wasn't just "exhaustion from meditating" - he was sacrificing himself to save his sister and the Resistance. When Kylo and Rey first connect, you hear him say "you aren't doing this, it would tear you apart" - Luke tore himself apart doing that projection to save everyone.

Obi Wan did the same thing in New Hope, after all.

Need to realize that no Star Wars film made after the first three will ever be original, and that it's the originality that contributes in part to the greatness of the original three films.

Also Return of the Jedi is brutal to rewatch, all those damn Ewoks. At least Last Jedi had a reference to cute aliens without making them central to the plot.

You can say the same thing about lazy storylines/re-used plots with literally every Star Wars movie. Google "Star Wars Ring Theory" - you'll find similarities and callbacks throughout every Star Wars film, from the original trilogy, to the prequel trilogy, to this sequel trilogy.

In comment 13746269 Giantology said:

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You can say the same thing about lazy storylines/re-used plots with literally every Star Wars movie. Google "Star Wars Ring Theory" - you'll find similarities and callbacks throughout every Star Wars film, from the original trilogy, to the prequel trilogy, to this sequel trilogy.

That's a big part of my argument. There's a lot not to like in the originals if you really want to critique it the way we do in 2017. But they are sacred so that's off limits. If Return of the Jedi came out now with the current tech but same story and dialogue it would be terrible.

Outside of all the awful, contrived writing that doesn't make sense is the treatment of the character Luke. Mark Hamill has said that he "fundamentally disagrees with every decision Rian Johnson made about Luke" and I couldn't agree more with that.

I think most of the conclusions Luke came to after Kylo Ren turned are really cool. Retreating to a remote planet for a little while to reflect and mourn are perfectly understandable. Deciding to not train another Jedi is also a really understandable course of action given his past history.

You know what's not understandable though? A Jedi Master sitting alone on an island for what, a decade or more? All while the power of the Sith (which he is majorly responsible for) waxes and threatens his sister, his best friend, and all of the other people he has ever known and loved. Without a Jedi to combat the Sith, the Rebels are doomed.

So this character who feels like such a failure because his apprentice killed a handful of other apprentices is just going to let the whole galaxy burn rather than try to clean up the fucking mess he caused? He's going to sit alone on his island waiting to die while he emos away the universe? I thought Kylo Ren emo'd pretty hard in TFA, but I'm pretty sure if they had an emo off, Luke would win hands down.

So we get to Yoda, who decides to FINALLY give Luke a peptalk. It's an awesome message about the greatest lessons coming from failures and to pass on those lessons to students.

But you know what never happens? That. That NEVER happens because Luke never sees Rey again. She's already gone. I'm sure he'll be back as a force ghost, but aren't we over force ghosts deus ex machina-ing all over the Star Wars universe?

and his Schwartz ring is inspired just enough to go out and eat a mouthful of blaster fire one day.

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should have been set 500 to 1000 years in the future. Where it was forgotten about the jedi and sith. Then the Force Awakens.. and you could have went in any directions without crapping on the OT. Everything would have to be relearned and new stuff could have been introduced. It could have been a quest to find knowledge about the force while battling a new evil..

But like Disney does with everything.. they ruin it to make a buck.

The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi seem rudderless..

Thanks Mickey for crapping on my childhood.

OK, it didn't answer the two major questions left over from TWA. But people get a grip, its a movie. You all seem butt hurt over this.

I do not get it. Life doesn't work that way, either. Why does a movie need to?

To me, it serves a valuable purpose by showing an entire class of people that are not affected by the war between the First Order/Resistance -- and actually benefit from the war. None of the earlier Star Wars films really explored this issue much.

Also it has that Joseph Gordon Levitt cameo.

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In comment 13745790 UConn4523 said: Quote: is literally THE story of a Jedi. How many times do we here about darkness being suppressed in favor of following the light? That's the entire point of these movies. If it happened with Anakin, then with Luke, why wouldn't it happen with Rey, Kylo, etc? I get you want a completely new universe, but that isn't what's being advertised. Its the continuation of the current story. You can't just erase the foundation because you think its a carbon copy. Something tells me you weren't going to like it no matter what. Uconn... we'll agree to disagree. I could argue you were going to like it no matter what. (And it's not just that there was conflict, but it was the same exact same scene in the Emperor's chambers except this time the body guard got involved). I came out of TFA thinking, "That was good...it felt like the old one." Then it dawned on me that I just watched "New Hope" again. I wrote it off to them rebooting the series. But this one was just too similar to Jedi. Again, I like the character. Rey and Poe are really cool. Finn has his moments.

Didn't see this until now for some reason but I think its fair to say I'd probably like a new Star Wars movie until they prove that I shouldn't. That said, I think Rogue One was better than both of TFA and TLJ but a pretty good margin so there's varying levels of how much I like it.

But I also take things into consideration outside of just the story. The action sequences have been stellar and I'm really enjoying the cinematography. For me that counts for something and TLJ had some of the coolest sequences I've ever seen in this genre.

Let's be blunt about this: since this new trilogy was announced most people have been looking forward to seeing Mark Hamill's Skywalker do some badass Jedi battle stuff on screen - much in the same way we got that payoff with Yoda in Episode III and Vader in Rogue One. But yet there was clearly a decision to make his character develop to being this more zen-like version before ultimately killing him off.

Overall the film had several flaws, but more than enough great moments to compensate. However that final sequence, where Kylo Ren instructs his fleet to direct their entire arsenal towards destroying Skywalker, becomes a huge let down once it's revealed that he was never really there physically. The touching last moments he has with Leia becomes lessened as well.

I get what they were doing creatively with the film and his character, but I think this was one of those times when they should have just gave the fans what they wanted. In other words they really should have had Luke wreck some shit before going out. The entire ending, and maybe even the entire movie, was dampened by one of the most essential characters in the franchise fading away into non existence without much of a grand send off. I think that was a mistake.

but it was spoiled for me. I will reserve judgement about the manner in which they killed Luke until I see it. But, what I don't get is why they made a big deal to include Luke and Han if only to cast them aside. It is a copout to say this trilogy is not about Luke, but the new characters. The entire saga was about Luke and the Skywalker family. It just doesn't make sense to have all that buildup in the Force Awakens for this.

I know they are supposed to be ignoring Lucas' vision and the expanded universe. But, in virtually everything post ROTJ, Luke becomes about the most powerful Jedi in history. He was supposed to be capable of some pretty amazing things. There were even interesting storylines with him experimenting in the Dark Side (only to return) in order to save his nephew (not Kylo) in one storyline.

I am obviously jaded because I loved Luke and Han. I admit that watching Han die in FA was one of the saddest and emotional scenes I've ever watched in a movie. I felt like part of my childhood died with him. To do this to Luke seems even worse. I now understand all the restrained comments Hammill made about not liking this vision for Luke.

It's fine to make a new trilogy for new fans. But, why would you take what the old fans hold so dear and shit all over it?

The real shame of it is, supposedly, Leia was supposed to be more prominent in Episode IX. But, now no Luke, Han, or Leia and Chewie is relegated to the sidelines. Weird that of all the original characters, the only one that supposedly figured prominently in this trilogy was Leia when she was the least capable of pulling it off. And, just to harp on FA for a second, for me, the worst thing they did was have Chewie walk right past Leia when they returned from Starkiller after Han dies. That was out of character for both of them. They put these original trilogy characters in, only to ruin them or have them completely out of character. Why bother?

I was never a big Luke fan but I loved Han. His death was a big deal in TFA, it made sense, and it drove the plot ahead in a plausible fashion.

As for Luke, we don't know how he will be handled yet so I'll reserve judgement on that one.

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I was never a big Luke fan but I loved Han. His death was a big deal in TFA, it made sense, and it drove the plot ahead in a plausible fashion. As for Luke, we don't know how he will be handled yet so I'll reserve judgement on that one.

I go back and forth about Han's death. I'm not so much angry it happened, but rather how it happened. To me, it wasn't clear if he knew that was going to happen or if he really thought he could convince Kylo to return to Ben. A guy like Han, I can't see him sacrificing himself for Kylo to have eased that burden but remain in Snoke's control.

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Luke becomes about the most powerful Jedi in history. He was supposed to be capable of some pretty amazing things. There were even interesting storylines with him experimenting in the Dark Side (only to return) in order to save his nephew (not Kylo) in one storyline.

Have never seen a Jedi do anything remotely like that. Across systems he was able to "be there." A big lightsaber battle between him and Kylo? That would have steered this towards the prequels and would have been too predictable.

In comment 13748701 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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Quote: Luke becomes about the most powerful Jedi in history. He was supposed to be capable of some pretty amazing things. There were even interesting storylines with him experimenting in the Dark Side (only to return) in order to save his nephew (not Kylo) in one storyline. Have never seen a Jedi do anything remotely like that. Across systems he was able to "be there." A big lightsaber battle between him and Kylo? That would have steered this towards the prequels and would have been too predictable.

I haven't seen this one yet, but I think the original idea was scrapped. Rey and Luke were supposed to have battled the Knights of Ren on the planet they were training. I read Rey was to battle Kylo, while Luke manhandled the other Knights. I believe Luke never even had to ignite his lightsaber.

As for the other storyline I mentioned, it was in a series of EU books about 10 years ago.

I have to say that I enjoyed and appreciated it a lot more. I think the first time I was so hyped that the cons in this movie (as previously addressed) really pissed me off. I did not want to like ANYTHING about this movie.

The 2nd time, I let myself get immersed in the movie. I still am bothered by how Luke went out, but I enjoyed the experience much more.

but it was a fun movie. I'll see it again when it comes out on dvd.

Once again, it draws heavily on several of the scenes, plots of the previous films. It isn't so obvious as the TFA but it's there.

Here's what I liked - The scenes between Luke and Rey and the best in the film. They flesh out both characters and sets up a bond for what most of us expected to be a teacher/student bond. Some here have mentioned that these scenes were too short, but Luke and Ben in ANH weren't long. Luke and Yoda in ESB weren't long either. Just snippets. I do think the originals paced better.

I didn't have a problem with the Finn/Rose casino scenes. I thought they were fun, though ultimately superfluous to the plot.

I thought the humor bits hit the mark more than they did in TFA. Battle and action scenes were top notch, thought I don't think many will be talking about them or remember them as fondly 10 or 20 years from now like we do in remembering the AT-AT Hoth invasion.

Here's what I didn't like - Silver Surfer Leia. Enough said here. Just mind-numbingly dumb.

Two constants through the history of the Jedi and Sith. The Sith Lords always have one apprentice, who ultimately strikes down or turns on his master. The Jedi Masters, even the best, lose pupils to the dark side. Yoda lost Count Dooku - who was driving force of the Clone Wars - and went on to train thousands of new Jedi. Owi-Wan lost Anakin - who hunted the Jedi nearly to extinction and destroyed whole planets - yet went on to train Luke. Go back to every Jedi Master. It's a constant.

Yet the last Jedi in the Galaxy gives up the ways of the Force because his nephew turns to the dark side and burns down a school? Balance of the force is a central theme. Luke forgets all that, blocks the Force entirely while drinking troll titty milk and playing scrabble with some nuns? Come the fuck on.

Casting/characters are hit and miss. Rey is a home run. I'm not quite sure what the heck Finns purpose is. It's not Boyega's fault. The character as written is just poor. Total waste of time. Rose was too. I think that's why some people have a problem with the casino scene. If they involved more interesting and fleshed out characaters, it'd be fine. I guess the other guy is supposed to take up the lovable rogue thing that Solo did so well, but I'm not sure why he's there either. Finally, why waste an actor of the caliber of Benicio Del Toro for such a throwaway character? He should have been the focal point of that second act, and not some poorly planned mission that was moot anyhow. Utterly bizarre.

Snoke was a total letdown. No explanation whatsoever of where Snoke came from, how he came to rule over the Order or how he met Kylo Ren. Most powerful dark Lord in galaxy falls for a force pull and the big showdown turns out to be Rey and Kylo battling Samurai. The fuck was I watching.

The original films weren't without faults, but the characters were fleshed out. You understood their motivations and how they fit into the story. They didn't rely on lame throwaways like Rose to show Finn he's real boy. That's why the originals have endured.

The film was definitely better than TFA. Hard not to be. Decent effort. I wouldn't call it fantastic.

than the prequels did to Vader.

#notmyskywalker

We thought this movie sucked. Everything that made Star Wars unique has been removed or greatly minimized. So all you're left with is a mediocre action flick not even as good as Justice League. After 1 hour I was looking at my watch. There were those 10 minutes at the end when Luke got involved that was good, the audience actually perked up, but that was it.

In comment 13745882 Eric from BBI said:

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OK... so it copied elements of Empire and Jedi. I feel like the character in Zoolander who says, "Am I taking crazy pills?" when you guys can't see they simply copied the same storylines from the earlier ones. The most important scene in Jedi was the Emperor/Luke scene. The most important scene in this film was the Snokes/Rey scene. They were virtually identical. Luke tried to save Vader. Rey tried to save Ren (you are not understanding my point there).

Eric, my son and I were predicting the next event before it happened, it was that predictable.

The problem is TFA is just irrelevant now when you goto watch it again. The whole movie is predicated on finding Luke Skywalker, so watching now is pretty jarring knowing it was a big waste of time. TFA builds up Snoke as this big bad villain as even Han Solo mentions him to his son, but now you go back and watch it and he is almost a punchline for dying like a bitch. Every Rey scene where it is implied there is something big about her regarding her heritage (the Lightsaber calling her, Luke's music, etc) was just a big fake out. And of course then ending of TFA is a Spaceballs Parody as Luke just chucks the saber in the next movie.

In comment 13749531 PatersonPlank said:

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We thought this movie sucked. Everything that made Star Wars unique has been removed or greatly minimized. So all you're left with is a mediocre action flick not even as good as Justice League. After 1 hour I was looking at my watch. There were those 10 minutes at the end when Luke got involved that was good, the audience actually perked up, but that was it.

which is why i found it strange i was more entertained by Justice league than this movie

The Snoke death scene was surprising and it was cool to see Rey and Kyle fighting together. It was obvious what was going to happen later though as who would have been main villain with snoke gone. Of course Kylo wasn’t planning on returning to the light. It was a similar too what Vader said to Luke as he wanted to join forces to defeat the emperor in order to rule the galaxy as father and son.

The Rey lineage was ridiculous though as was TFA plot. They risk All to find Luke and it almost ends up being a waste. I hope Lando is in episode 9. The resistance is nearly defeated and they could use a place to hide and some financial support. Introducing Lando now makes a lot of sense.

let me preface this by saying, it was an entertaining movie. so from an entertainment standpoint, sure it was fine. from a humor standpoint ok sure, it was fine. the kids will love it and it will make a lot of money

but that's the only good i can say about it. here is why it was awful.

1. Luke.

He always knew there was good in Vader. So much so that he surrendered to him and refused to kill him. And Vader rewarded that faith by proving him right. Now all of a sudden, he senses a little darkness in Kylo and he tries to kill him in his sleep? Really? That is a complete betrayal to his character.

We were also led to believe that Snoke turned Kylo dark, but the tipping point seemed to be Luke now not Snoke. There was a HUGE debate about whether or not Luke turned dark in Return of the Jedi. Snoke could have pretended to be Vader's force ghost in visions or done any number or things to cause Kylo to turn on Luke by lying about Luke really being dark now and have Kylo and other trainees leave Luke and go to him for training and then returning to kill Luke and destroy his temple. Luke then left knowing he needed to find help. This was a super easy thing to do and they fucked it up. Oh and it also could have explained the Knights of Ren.

Luke is also not one to run from a fight and abandon his friends and sister. We're supposed to believe now he lives in shame and depression while his friends and sister are fighting for their lives? We were told he left to go find the original Jedi temple to in theory help find ways to beat the Last Order, which would have been perfectly fine and in-line with his character.

Instead, well you all saw the movie.

2. Force ghosts can shoot lighting and effect the physical world with their force powers? Now look they've hinted at something like this many times. "Kill me Darth and I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine". But all these dead Jedi have all these powers and see all these evil things happening and they what just choose to ignore it? Very dumb.

3. Snoke was a big deal and we absolutely needed to know more about him or at a minimum needed a fight scene with him vs rey and kylo or a snoke vs luke scene.

4. Rey's parents. This was a HUGE subplot in Force Awakens. Everyone wanted to know, including Rey. She definitely thought Luke may be her father in Force Awakens. And when she meets Luke she never even brings it up to him? Come on.

5. The whole casino thing was dumb. Just very dumb.

6. Why did the new admiral not tell Poe of the plans to evacuate even during the mutiny? Historically dumb. She should have told him, then cut out the whole 20 minutes of the casino trash and filled it with something better. Like say I don't know, Rey's training!!!!!

7. We got almost no scene's of Rey training with Luke. How do you fuck that up?

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From half way thru A New Hope on Luke was selfless and would throw himself into a hopeless situation to do what's right and save his friends/family/galaxy. In this movie his own student, Ben Solo, his own flesh and blood, goes dark so Luke runs away and hides like a bitch? In Jedi Luke felt a little tiny bit of light left in the baddest dude in the galaxy, Darth Vader, so he went on a suicide mission to try to redeem Anakin Skywalker. In this new movie he senses darkness in Ben so his first instinct was to murder him in his sleep? I don't know who the character was in this movie but it certainly wasn't Luke Skywalker. If you're a lifelong Star Wars fan that cares about these characters then this movie is steaming hot stinking garbage, if you're new to Star Wars or just never cared that much then you'll have no idea what's going on and will love the movie - it is a very pretty film and porgs are cute.

Some articles have came out where Mark Hamil was upset with the direction they took his character. He basically stated the same things you just said.

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Let's be blunt about this: since this new trilogy was announced most people have been looking forward to seeing Mark Hamill's Skywalker do some badass Jedi battle stuff on screen - much in the same way we got that payoff with Yoda in Episode III and Vader in Rogue One. But yet there was clearly a decision to make his character develop to being this more zen-like version before ultimately killing him off. Overall the film had several flaws, but more than enough great moments to compensate. However that final sequence, where Kylo Ren instructs his fleet to direct their entire arsenal towards destroying Skywalker, becomes a huge let down once it's revealed that he was never really there physically. The touching last moments he has with Leia becomes lessened as well. I get what they were doing creatively with the film and his character, but I think this was one of those times when they should have just gave the fans what they wanted. In other words they really should have had Luke wreck some shit before going out. The entire ending, and maybe even the entire movie, was dampened by one of the most essential characters in the franchise fading away into non existence without much of a grand send off. I think that was a mistake.

Yep, this times a 1000

especially since we don't need multiple Star Wars threads on a Giants message board. But...

...it seems that Disney is preparing for Solo: A Star Wars Story to bomb at the box office in May 2018.

(I could have told them that as soon as this terrible idea was green-lighted.)

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I was 10 in 1977, so I have been watching these movies since the very beginning. I thought FA was good (not great). I liked it even less after I saw it a second time. I thought Rogue One was pretty bad. After seeing the low rotten tomatoes audience ratings, I went to this movie today with low expectations. I loved it! This will probably end up as my 3rd favorite after episodes 4 and 5. I really enjoyed it.

but I'm not very hard to please with Star Wars. Give me the John Williams score, a few light-saber scenes and I'm generally good to go. Like all of the Star Wars films, there was a lot of cheesy/hokey and dialogue but that was to be expected.

I don't mind the revelation that Rey's parents were nobodies. I always thought it was more than a coincidece that she (Daisy Ridley) looked like the actor who played young Anakin (Jake Lloyd) and wasn't Anakin born to a nobody slave mother?


One thing I didn't understand was when Kylo and Rey were fighting off Snoke's red guardsmen, they relied on mere physical swordsmanship and almost lost because of it. Yet, in other scenes, we see Kylo strangle or throw people across the room using the force and a mere gesture. Were they unable to use the force during that battle against those red guys?

when Finn and Rose are captured and they are surrounded by hundreds of first order troops and the go into this long, drawn out execution process when at the last minute the rebel ship plows through the ship. cut to the next scene where there are no enemy troops in sight, everything is on fire, and miraculously Finn and Rose are unharmed

and the FA only reinforced what I already knew. I'm not a kid anymore and they really don't do much for me.

That said, as another poster remarked, they would have been much better served if they set the sequels hundreds of years in the future where they would have to reinvent the legendary jedi against this evil mystical force of newly awakened sith. I think they did the series and overall cannon a big disservice by relying upon nostalgia to bring in fans.

1. Where is Poe from? Obviously he's kind of the younger Hans and will probably end up with Rey is the next gen Leia. But when she was in pain with Snoke he woke up suddenly from his 'stun' and went to the window to look at Snokes ship. So he felt some force within.

2. Agree with above - there is no way Rey comes from nothing. They'll be a reveal next episode.

3. Historically the younger apprentices have killed their Sith mentors to assume power. Sidius did it to his while sleeping, etc. Was cool to see Kylo do that in a scene.

4. Surprised they kept Leia alive when they could have found a way to end in this episode.

5. Admiral Akbar deserved a better send off than what he received in this movie. An unsung star of the original trilogy!

maybe re-shot some scenes to kill off Leia. Thought for sure the scene when she got sucked in to space would be the moment they used - it would have been a fairly decent and dramatic ending for her.

In hindsight, now I REALLY wished they would have killed her off at that moment. Her character was not all that essential for the remainder of film, and we would have been spared the whole "Leia Poppins" thing they did.

And yes, I agree that killing off Admiral Akbar offscreen was pretty lame. If they were going to do that then they should have never even brought his character back in Force Awakens.

I too am a huge Star Wars fan

I loved the film - it's one of the top two in the entire franchise in my opinion. For me the plot lines worked.

Regarding Luke -
1) a bunch of you are getting all worked up over him and I think it's because you are too tied up on - a) his relationship with Kylo Ren and b) what happened to him at the end. I was not bothered by either of these things: Ren is a bad two-faced dude, and Luke may have seen these traits in him, and seen that he was untrustworthy, and rightly been disturbed by it. This is different than believing he could get through to his father, who he felt had some good in him, who he never knew as a child, and was unburdened by some of his early history (apples and oranges in my opinion).

2) his discorporation at the end fit in beautifully with his lessons to Rey on the force and his scenes with Yoda. Luke did not die as some of you are describing it. He went on to be "at peace" according to Leia and Rey and neither of them was saddened by it. A true Jedi does not die. He became one with the force. He and his view of the force will be part of the final movie - I guarantee it. And as a precursor, he showed great mastery of power over Ren without being in his corporeal form, and he was able to take Jedi lessons from another disincorporated Jedi during the movie.

I loved the Rey character. She is bold and she displays amazing power and oneness with the force. Much greater than Luke ever did, and she is a stronger character than Kylo Ren -- She is his match in every way.

great flick

It dawned on me today that Snook was cut at the torso by two light sabers and died

Anakim was cut at the torso and had both arms cut off too and had his head doused with fire... survived. Is this a sign that skywalkers are stronger than Sith Lords or just bad screen play?

I don't think we've seen the end of Snoke. They still need a major villain for episode IX and I don't think Kylo will be it. I think Snoke revives somehow. It would explain the massive scars on his head from previous... well, deaths. And it also might explain why they didn't tell us anything about him yet. They could be waiting to drop it in the final movie. Yeah, it would be kind of lame but I can see them going that route. A cranky Kylo Ren trying to convince Rey to join him through episode IX would be pretty boring. They need a bigger villain than that.

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Anakim was cut at the torso and had both arms cut off too and had his head doused with fire... survived.

That seems a rather harsh for a few measely political comments when a simple banning would have sufficed.

Gidie and Eric have gone medieval.

some of you expected. The amount of intellectual backfill applied to a paper-thin world Lucas heavily borrowed from other sources always amused me. The depth was never there; character naming conventions are nonsensical, places are woefully reductive (ice planet, forest planet, desert planet, city planet), The Empire makes Sauron seem nuanced with shades of grey, various contradictions film to film and so on. Releasing these expectations is probably the best way moderately enjoyable. I don't see this sort of hand-wringing over Justice League or whatever other nonsense is farted out to the viewing public annually.

I read this comment elsewhere and felt it was pitch perfect:

"These new Star Wars movies are clearly manufactured by focus groups and marketing executives and lawyers and business analysts. They are art in the same way that an Audi commercial is art.

Seriously, stop watching Star Wars. They're going to keep making shit movie after shit movie until it stops being acceptably profitable. We'll be in our 70's and new Star Wars movies will still be coming out every other year."

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"These new Star Wars movies are clearly manufactured by focus groups and marketing executives and lawyers and business analysts. They are art in the same way that an Audi commercial is art. Seriously, stop watching Star Wars. They're going to keep making shit movie after shit movie until it stops being acceptably profitable. We'll be in our 70's and new Star Wars movies will still be coming out every other year."

I feel that this is a good characterization of some movie franchises - the Michael Bay/Transformers movies are the first to come to mind. I don't think it's fair to quite lump Star Wars into that category. Over the span of several films, also books and television, there has been the development of a story that is richer and has more depth than the "robot go boom" theme that Bay has manufactured in recent years. It's reasonable for people to have had higher expectations for TLJ.

I wanna see it again.

It's funny reading people getting so worked up and angry on this thread. I'm no Star Wars junkie, but it was like every other Star Wars movie with its high points and obvious faults. Bottom line is, I and my family walked out of the theater having been very entertained.

By the way, go back and re-watch the original trilogy. Some comically bad acting and dialogue, but TFA and TLJ are somehow not up to your lofty standards? No one watching any Star Wars movie should expect perfection or that there won't be multiple moments when you'll have to suspend disbelief. Like so much else in life, don't have such high expectations, and you won't be disappointed.

In comment 13756158 gidiefor said:

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I too am a huge Star Wars fan I loved the film - it's one of the top two in the entire franchise in my opinion. For me the plot lines worked. Regarding Luke - 1) a bunch of you are getting all worked up over him and I think it's because you are too tied up on - a) his relationship with Kylo Ren and b) what happened to him at the end. I was not bothered by either of these things: Ren is a bad two-faced dude, and Luke may have seen these traits in him, and seen that he was untrustworthy, and rightly been disturbed by it. This is different than believing he could get through to his father, who he felt had some good in him, who he never knew as a child, and was unburdened by some of his early history (apples and oranges in my opinion). 2) his discorporation at the end fit in beautifully with his lessons to Rey on the force and his scenes with Yoda. Luke did not die as some of you are describing it. He went on to be "at peace" according to Leia and Rey and neither of them was saddened by it. A true Jedi does not die. He became one with the force. He and his view of the force will be part of the final movie - I guarantee it. And as a precursor, he showed great mastery of power over Ren without being in his corporeal form, and he was able to take Jedi lessons from another disincorporated Jedi during the movie. I loved the Rey character. She is bold and she displays amazing power and oneness with the force. Much greater than Luke ever did, and she is a stronger character than Kylo Ren -- She is his match in every way. great flick

I really enjoyed the film. I was not even really upset Luke died. I am upset with how he died. I have been reading for years about how powerful Luke had become. It would have been more acceptable to me if he really did show up at the end and walk out to face the entire First Order assault. Had he actually just one badass thing there and then sacrificed himself facing Kylo, I would have been less upset.

But, even as it is, I have had a couple of days to digest the film and have less of a problem with it. I think Luke will play a role, not a prominent one, as a force ghost training Rey.

For me, the worst part of the film was Leia pulling herself back on the ship. I k ow at the time of filming they had no way of knowing Carrie Fisher would die, so they couldn't just have Leia die there. But that scene was ridiculous not just for her surviving, but then how would they open the door to the bridge to pull her in without doing more damage to the ship?

I didn't find it pointless. It showed their desperation, for one thing. If Rose survives, it sets up a potential love triangle, or at least point of conflict for Rey.

I think Kylo is fine as the villain in the next film. He is powerful, but unbalanced, so his rage and obsessions will weaken the otherwise unbeatable First Order.

Two things will be interesting to see how they handle. Nobody answered their call. So where will they possibly get enough support to actually fight the First Order? The intent was for Leia to have played a dominant role in the next film. Now they have to write in her death and the Vice Admiral sacrificed herself. The only real leadership left is Poe, at this point, which is weak.

Last movie everyone was saying the brash flyboy Poe was being set up as the Solo type. It's really Finn. A former stormtrooper who hates the First Order, but really doesn't feel attached to the Resistance. He is more drawn to help because of his feelings for Rey. This sounds an awful lot like Han.