it was fucking awesome. Laughed within the first 2 minutes, tons of action, really good continuation of the story and ZERO wasted time. It was pretty much full throttle from start to finish.
it was fucking awesome. Laughed within the first 2 minutes, tons of action, really good continuation of the story and ZERO wasted time. It was pretty much full throttle from start to finish.
Feeling better now. The negativity from alot of message boards had me really worried.
it was fucking awesome. Laughed within the first 2 minutes, tons of action, really good continuation of the story and ZERO wasted time. It was pretty much full throttle from start to finish.
Yeah I thought it was almost perfect. I was a little sad a certain character went out at the end (still nervous to say it even in a spoiler thread for people that might be lurking) but overall this was fantastic.
Sure there were little things here and there I could take issue with, but overall this was just about everything I could really want for from a Star Wars movie.
For all the people who said this was going to just rip off Empire Strikes Back, I got way more of a Return of the Jedi vibe from some of the scenes.
Actually, Rian Johnson is doing a new, original trilogy entirely separate from the Skywalker Saga. Abrams is coming back for Episode 9, hope he took some notes from Rian Johnson on how to do something truly original with the property.
Actually, Rian Johnson is doing a new, original trilogy entirely separate from the Skywalker Saga. Abrams is coming back for Episode 9, hope he took some notes from Rian Johnson on how to do something truly original with the property.
is a better movie just because of this movie. Now TFA can truly be viewed as an appetizer to whet your appetite and introduce the characters. Everyone is bigger and more brought to life in this one, as it should be. Without a strong sequel TFA would have withered away.
Abrams wrapping it up will be fine. Guy has tons of originality on his resume, TFA was an impossible task that he takes a lot of shit for but it will be looked back on as a great reintroduction of the series, IMO. The story is likely already done anyway and probably has been for quite a while.
Wasn't thrilled with everything, but overall, it was definitely a very good Star Wars movie.
For me, it's currently tied for #4 Star Wars with Rogue One, after the three original trilogy films. But I think most people will like it more than Rogue One.
is a better movie just because of this movie. Now TFA can truly be viewed as an appetizer to whet your appetite and introduce the characters. Everyone is bigger and more brought to life in this one, as it should be. Without a strong sequel TFA would have withered away.
It’s exactly what I said 2 years ago when people were bitching about it. Everyone wants immediate satisfaction - letting the story unfold is necessary.
particularly when Finn was fighting on land withPoe in the background in the air was amongst the best I’ve ever seen in a sci-fi movie. The story is done - whether Abrams or anyone else directs nothing drastic will change. Do you think they aren’t on the same page with the story?
But how were you feelings on the reveals of who Rey is and Snoke? That seemed to be what alot of people were bitching about and of course Lukes story
I hate the idea of Star Wars characters having to be secretly related to each other. You can't keep drawing from that well over and over. So I found it refreshing when Ben told Rey that her parents were nobodies.
That said, I have a feeling what he told her isn't true. We'll see.
I was bummed that that last act exhausted Luke, but this trilogy was about a bridge from the old characters to new characters, so it isn't terribly unexpected.
But how were you feelings on the reveals of who Rey is and Snoke? That seemed to be what alot of people were bitching about and of course Lukes story
I hate the idea of Star Wars characters having to be secretly related to each other. You can't keep drawing from that well over and over. So I found it refreshing when Ben told Rey that her parents were nobodies.
That said, I have a feeling what he told her isn't true. We'll see.
I was bummed that that last act exhausted Luke, but this trilogy was about a bridge from the old characters to new characters, so it isn't terribly unexpected.
Agree about Rey. She's been searching for her parents for so long and they've made too much of a deal about it for it to end up being nothing. It could have still been staged to look like she was abandoned and her memories/Ben's sight could have seen/felt that what she witnessed as a kid.
never understood why his identity mattered so much.
I have to admit that shocked me. That was the point in the movie where the cookie cutter formula went out the window for me. This movie really did feel fresh but still maintained a ton of nostalgia.
I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
that planet to find a "master coder" as sort of a plot device but I didnt mind it. It was a cool new territory to explore and they seemed to move through it at a pretty brisk pace.
I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
Rey & Luke scenes: great. I could have watched that all night. The codebreaker/MacGuffin subplot on Planet Opulence, on the other hand, seemed to serve no purpose other than giving Finn and Benicio Del Toro something to do. The payoff of the kid with broom (while I appreciate the symbolism), wasn't worth it for me.
I didn't care for the whole casino planet sequence. Â
I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
RE: I didn't care for the whole casino planet sequence. Â
I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
The character development was happening on the island the whole time even if Luke wasnt training her directly. She was sort of finding herself on her own with Luke watching at a distance. He was finding himself a bit too. I thought that worked great.
I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
I kind of liked how Rey almost trained Luke in a sense. If it was a longer version of the reverse everyone would just call it an Empire ripoff.
Rey already used a lightsaber and is strong with the force. There’s wasn’t a need for a Rocky montage, IMO. She scared Luke enough to get him to do something about it - that was a pretty cool spin.
RE: RE: RE: I've seen that it was too long by a lot of people now... Â
I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
The character development was happening on the island the whole time even if Luke wasnt training her directly. She was sort of finding herself on her own with Luke watching at a distance. He was finding himself a bit too. I thought that worked great.
I'm saying I wanted more of it.
I think people are missing the true purpose of the Â
casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.
RE: RE: RE: I've seen that it was too long by a lot of people now... Â
I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
I kind of liked how Rey almost trained Luke in a sense. If it was a longer version of the reverse everyone would just call it an Empire ripoff.
Rey already used a lightsaber and is strong with the force. There’s wasn’t a need for a Rocky montage, IMO. She scared Luke enough to get him to do something about it - that was a pretty cool spin.
Yup. Exactly. If Luke starts training Rey it's a complete ripoff. People are never happy I guess.
casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.
Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait...
I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).
RE: Ok, I guess I'll discuss this movie elsewhere, Â
if anything that isn't 100% gushing is going to be misconstrued as being unhappy and critical.
JFC...
It's fine. Discuss away. I wasnt referring to you specifically. I guess Im just waiting for people to pick apart every little thing now. Its going to happen.
RE: RE: I think people are missing the true purpose of the Â
casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.
Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait...
I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).
How would a stranger he just met losing her sister gravitate with him? Also, he has literally been talking about "leaving" and going somewhere "far away" in BOTH movies. He literally wanted to go to another "physical place". Going to you know... another "physical place" and realizing it wasnt what he thought it was... sort of fits better.
RE: RE: RE: I think people are missing the true purpose of the Â
casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.
Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait...
I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).
How would a stranger he just met losing her sister gravitate with him? Also, he has literally been talking about "leaving" and going somewhere "far away" in BOTH movies. He literally wanted to go to another "physical place". Going to you know... another "physical place" and realizing it wasnt what he thought it was... sort of fits better.
Finn, in all likelihood, is alive at that moment because of Rose's sister's sacrifice and dedication to the cause. A couple of lines of dialog should drive the point home and free up the film to advance the more important plots.
tell stories about sacrifice in the first movie. Hell, he watched Han DIE right in front of him to sacrifice himself. Still didn't stop him from wanting to save his own skin and get the hell away from everything. But some girl he meets that shocks him telling him a story about her sister sacrificing herself is going to convince him? Sorry. Not buying it.
tell stories about sacrifice in the first movie. Hell, he watched Han DIE right in front of him to sacrifice himself. Still didn't stop him from wanting to save his own skin and get the hell away from everything. But some girl he meets that shocks him telling him a story about her sister sacrificing herself is going to convince him? Sorry. Not buying it.
Then maybe that was part of a larger problem of Finn's motivation/arc to begin with. But fair enough. Agree to disagree (although I'm not sure I'd describe Han's death being the result of a noble sacrifice as much as it was due to calculated murder, but nevertheless).
On the bright side, we now have confirmation that BB-8 can shoot coins really fast. Also at least one member of the Resistance thinks that war profiteering, animal cruelty, and child labor are bad things. My life is irrevocably changed.
(Don't take my sarcasm as a personal attack. It's late, and I'm just in it to amuse myself at this point)
I think it’s cool to talk it out. I can go back to literally the first scene ever with Finn in TFA also. He wants to leave and get away as far as he can and Poe is willing to sacrifice himself going back to a hostile planet to get a droid (for the resistance). It’s happened a whole lot. Just don’t think hearing a random girls story would have effected him all that much in spite of all that. Have a goodnight!
Definitely better than force awakens which I also loved. Leia floating back to the ship in space was the only head scratching moment for me.
Was completely shocked they killed Snoke off. Never saw that coming. Watching Rey and Kylo team up to kill Snoke's guards was so sweet. The Cantobight scenes didn't bother me. I liked the idea of them boarding the ship to shut down the tracker.
Johnson did a great job with the twists and turns. Can't wait to see where they take episode 9.
But there's some little rehashed shit like when Rey turns around to Ben in the elevator and says "I feel the conflict within you"...
I just think that's lame as fuck.
Feeling better now. The negativity from alot of message boards had me really worried.
Yeah I thought it was almost perfect. I was a little sad a certain character went out at the end (still nervous to say it even in a spoiler thread for people that might be lurking) but overall this was fantastic.
For all the people who said this was going to just rip off Empire Strikes Back, I got way more of a Return of the Jedi vibe from some of the scenes.
Is it December 2019 yet? Jesus Christ!
Actually, Rian Johnson is doing a new, original trilogy entirely separate from the Skywalker Saga. Abrams is coming back for Episode 9, hope he took some notes from Rian Johnson on how to do something truly original with the property.
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is coming back to tie up the trilogy.
Actually, Rian Johnson is doing a new, original trilogy entirely separate from the Skywalker Saga. Abrams is coming back for Episode 9, hope he took some notes from Rian Johnson on how to do something truly original with the property.
That's right! doh! I got it mixed up. Oh well.
Easily better than The Force Awakens.
A ton of spoiler content.
Lots of things I did not see coming.
Wasn't thrilled with everything, but overall, it was definitely a very good Star Wars movie.
For me, it's currently tied for #4 Star Wars with Rogue One, after the three original trilogy films. But I think most people will like it more than Rogue One.
It’s exactly what I said 2 years ago when people were bitching about it. Everyone wants immediate satisfaction - letting the story unfold is necessary.
Rian Johnson is doing good work with this franchise. I wish he were going to do Episode 9 instead.
Next up...Ron Howard's Solo prequel. I'm keeping expectations low for that one.
I hate the idea of Star Wars characters having to be secretly related to each other. You can't keep drawing from that well over and over. So I found it refreshing when Ben told Rey that her parents were nobodies.
That said, I have a feeling what he told her isn't true. We'll see.
I was bummed that that last act exhausted Luke, but this trilogy was about a bridge from the old characters to new characters, so it isn't terribly unexpected.
This is just my opinion but Im guessing Snoke's is legit and Rey's is not. Still another whole chapter to explore that.
Because he turned Ben Solo to the Dark Side, has extremely strong Force powers, and is the supreme leader of the First Order?
Kind of important to know where he came from. I still think that requires some explanation.
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But how were you feelings on the reveals of who Rey is and Snoke? That seemed to be what alot of people were bitching about and of course Lukes story
I hate the idea of Star Wars characters having to be secretly related to each other. You can't keep drawing from that well over and over. So I found it refreshing when Ben told Rey that her parents were nobodies.
That said, I have a feeling what he told her isn't true. We'll see.
I was bummed that that last act exhausted Luke, but this trilogy was about a bridge from the old characters to new characters, so it isn't terribly unexpected.
Agree about Rey. She's been searching for her parents for so long and they've made too much of a deal about it for it to end up being nothing. It could have still been staged to look like she was abandoned and her memories/Ben's sight could have seen/felt that what she witnessed as a kid.
I doubt it. He was a symbol for hope, ect.
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that little kid at the end...is the new trilogy going to be about him when he's older?
I doubt it. He was a symbol for hope, ect.
That and the new trilogy is apparently completely separate from the current series.
I have to admit that shocked me. That was the point in the movie where the cookie cutter formula went out the window for me. This movie really did feel fresh but still maintained a ton of nostalgia.
It reminded me of RotJ in that the second act was a mess, but the first and third acts were a lot of fun.
Had great parts and then some cringeworthy scenes that took me back to the prequels
Rey & Luke scenes: great. I could have watched that all night. The codebreaker/MacGuffin subplot on Planet Opulence, on the other hand, seemed to serve no purpose other than giving Finn and Benicio Del Toro something to do. The payoff of the kid with broom (while I appreciate the symbolism), wasn't worth it for me.
Leia floating in space didn't work for me, either.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
Leia floating in space didn't work for me, either.
Eh. I liked that. She's always had the force. It was really cool to finally see her use it.
I promise we will be cautious
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I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
The character development was happening on the island the whole time even if Luke wasnt training her directly. She was sort of finding herself on her own with Luke watching at a distance. He was finding himself a bit too. I thought that worked great.
I promise we will be cautious
They were literally in the casino for 12 seconds.
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I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
I kind of liked how Rey almost trained Luke in a sense. If it was a longer version of the reverse everyone would just call it an Empire ripoff.
Rey already used a lightsaber and is strong with the force. There’s wasn’t a need for a Rocky montage, IMO. She scared Luke enough to get him to do something about it - that was a pretty cool spin.
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I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
The character development was happening on the island the whole time even if Luke wasnt training her directly. She was sort of finding herself on her own with Luke watching at a distance. He was finding himself a bit too. I thought that worked great.
I'm saying I wanted more of it.
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I personally loved the slower middle. People are too impatient. Some of those slower scenes with Rey and Luke on that island were the best part of the movie IMO.
There wasn't enough Luke training Rey, as far as I'm concerned. Cut back on the visual overload space battles and spend more time on the character development.
Although I thought it kicked major ass to get a Yoda scene.
I kind of liked how Rey almost trained Luke in a sense. If it was a longer version of the reverse everyone would just call it an Empire ripoff.
Rey already used a lightsaber and is strong with the force. There’s wasn’t a need for a Rocky montage, IMO. She scared Luke enough to get him to do something about it - that was a pretty cool spin.
Yup. Exactly. If Luke starts training Rey it's a complete ripoff. People are never happy I guess.
JFC...
Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait...
I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).
JFC...
It's fine. Discuss away. I wasnt referring to you specifically. I guess Im just waiting for people to pick apart every little thing now. Its going to happen.
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casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.
Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait...
I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).
How would a stranger he just met losing her sister gravitate with him? Also, he has literally been talking about "leaving" and going somewhere "far away" in BOTH movies. He literally wanted to go to another "physical place". Going to you know... another "physical place" and realizing it wasnt what he thought it was... sort of fits better.
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casino/world place anyway. Finn. He has been thinking he needed to get away from everything with Rey through the course of two movies now. That was his "grass is greener" moment until he realized it wasn't what he thought it was. This allowed him to come full circle, single-handedly taking on that beam at the end and giving up his life if necessary for the cause. You cant just magically get to that point without him going through something first.
Reasonable point, but couldn't the same be established by Finn, say, talking to a young woman who just lost her sister to a heroic tragedy, so he could see the value of sacrifice and duty while he was thinking of escaping? And do it in about 15 fewer minutes? Oh wait...
I'm not saying I want it reduced to wall-to-wall action (in fact, the 3rd act probably had too many battles...and in more fact, I agree with Bungle's comment that we could have spent more time with Luke and Rey), but I'm still not sure that it was well-worth the time spent on the subplot. There's also the issue of the resources spent making the CG characters in the casino that could have been better allocated elsewhere (or maybe I just miss three dimensional puppet Yoda. Or maybe I'm disturbed by blue milk teats).
How would a stranger he just met losing her sister gravitate with him? Also, he has literally been talking about "leaving" and going somewhere "far away" in BOTH movies. He literally wanted to go to another "physical place". Going to you know... another "physical place" and realizing it wasnt what he thought it was... sort of fits better.
Finn, in all likelihood, is alive at that moment because of Rose's sister's sacrifice and dedication to the cause. A couple of lines of dialog should drive the point home and free up the film to advance the more important plots.
Then maybe that was part of a larger problem of Finn's motivation/arc to begin with. But fair enough. Agree to disagree (although I'm not sure I'd describe Han's death being the result of a noble sacrifice as much as it was due to calculated murder, but nevertheless).
On the bright side, we now have confirmation that BB-8 can shoot coins really fast. Also at least one member of the Resistance thinks that war profiteering, animal cruelty, and child labor are bad things. My life is irrevocably changed.
(Don't take my sarcasm as a personal attack. It's late, and I'm just in it to amuse myself at this point)
Was completely shocked they killed Snoke off. Never saw that coming. Watching Rey and Kylo team up to kill Snoke's guards was so sweet. The Cantobight scenes didn't bother me. I liked the idea of them boarding the ship to shut down the tracker.
Johnson did a great job with the twists and turns. Can't wait to see where they take episode 9.
I just think that's lame as fuck.