And Han absolutely knew he was potentially walking to his death when he confronted Kylo REN. He thought there was a 1% chance he could turn him and he thought that was enough to justify it. Not sure how that’s calculated murder. Han even sighs before he gets on the bridge. He knew exactly what he was doing and what was likely coming IMO.
But there's some little rehashed shit like when Rey turns around to Ben in the elevator and says "I feel the conflict within you"...
I just think that's lame as fuck.
I believed there was conflict in Ben. I was completely guessing right up until after Snokes army was defeated. I think they did a good job leaving that open.
I still don't believe Rey's parents were nobodies. I think Kylo lied to her to get her to join him. Likely setting up the reveal and bringing the saga full circle in the next movie.
but this was a really good entry. One thing that can’t be understated is the quality of the actors - Poe and Rey in particular. It’s easily the best of the series which helps raise the quality of the films a good amount.
Looking back on it after a night of sleep I didn’t care for the Leia angle. Not sure if they just didn’t want to give her a cruel death after what happened to her in real life but I though her getting blown out of the bridge would have been awesome and on par with some of the other decisions that were made throughout this installment. Her floating back to the ship was a let down on what could have been a grand and heroic death.
I though her getting blown out of the bridge would have been awesome and on par with some of the other decisions that were made throughout this installment. Her floating back to the ship was a let down on what could have been a grand and heroic death.
...and would have solved some very real logistical production problems for the next film.
She’s been the general for some time and has always had the force. It was nice to finally see her use it. As for “floating”? Objects float in space. Lol. The moment at the end when Luke was basically saying goodbye was extremely emotional and well done. It felt like he was saying goodbye to her for real. It really just depends how they write her off in the next one but she even basically gave up control of the resistance to Poe at the end. The transition already has happened.
but humans also freeze and suffocate. I get it with the force being the force, but you have to concede that people are justified in thinking that part wasn't done as well as it could have.
That’s why she was kept in an oxygen chamber unconscious for half he movie. To each their own. I never gave it a second thought when watching. It’s exactly those little nit picky things (let’s start applying laws of physics to a sci fi Jedi force movie) that drive me nuts.
that isn't a nitpick. The laws of the Star Wars still suggest you die when getting blown out to space - and since she's strong with the force she's immune to that, fine. That doesn't mean it isn't a stretch or corny. If you are good with it that's fine, but its one of those borderline things where complaints seem valid. A nitpick is something that's insignificant to the story.
That’s a stretch but nothing else is? Lol. She moved her body 10 feet back to a door while she was freezing (they showed her nails/skin freezing) and she couldn’t breathe(thus the oxygen chamber) but Rey, with virtually no training can move a mountain of boulders to help her friends? I mean let’s go dissecting every unbelievable item in Star Wars line by line. I’m pretty sure we’ll come up with a list of a hundred thousand items. How about the fact that every planet they go to they can breathe with no helmet. I guess Hoth and every planet in the galaxy has perfect breathing conditions. How crazy do we want to get?
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It’s when we start breaking out the pocket calculators and start trying to apply logic/physics/ ect. when I start to lose it. Same with GOT or any other fantasy thing.
You gotta chill. It seems more like you're trying to defend the movie and argue people's opinions rather than trying to have a discussion about the film.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.
My biggest gripe is actually trying to inflict animal rights, child labor, government gun trafficking into a Star Wars movie. Also, did Leia and the vice general have a thing? That was a weird goodbye? That kind of shit seems forced.
but I'm fine conceding some things that seem out of place or unrealistic (even for a sci fi movie within the context of the world that was created).
You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid.
Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.
You gotta chill. It seems more like you're trying to defend the movie and argue people's opinions rather than trying to have a discussion about the film.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.
Yeah. It’s just the world we live in. People need to pick apart everything to feel validated or something (not referring to anyone here). It keeps getting worse. The initial reaction will be that it was awesome but in two weeks this thing will be dissected down to nothing. We’ll be talking about time traveling, physics, ect in no time. Lol
I'd guess we'll learn more about Snoke's backstory in Episode 9. At the very least, the story of how Snoke came across Kylo Ren and seduced him.
I'm also not certain that Snoke is completely dead. Could he be a clone? Does he have some ability to re-generate?
I'm okay with all the mystery and all the open questions with Snoke, Rey's parentage, etc - that's just part of how Star Wars has always worked - things are revealed over time. We don't need all the answers to the questions right away.
but I'm fine conceding some things that seem out of place or unrealistic (even for a sci fi movie within the context of the world that was created).
You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid.
Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.
Who’s to say they can’t still do exactly that in the last movie? The whole space thing looked CGI to me anyway. I’m sure there is left over footage left with her they can still use. We’ll see.
viewers can apply whatever logic they want into how they view it. I don't know why we have to accept everything without questioning how or why it works.
As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.
I thought that every seen Luke was in was great. Â
but I'm fine conceding some things that seem out of place or unrealistic (even for a sci fi movie within the context of the world that was created).
You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid.
Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.
Who’s to say they can’t still do exactly that in the last movie? The whole space thing looked CGI to me anyway. I’m sure there is left over footage left with her they can still use. We’ll see.
Maybe they will, but now it will be expected. I was genuinely shocked when she got blown to space and felt it would have been perfect to end it that way. Whatever happens to her now will be expected for two reasons - She almost died in ep 8 and there's limited footage of her to be used in episode 9.
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Yeah I agree. I was never a big Luke fan from the originals but he was awesome in this. No wasted screen time at all and everything he said had a purpose. Him taking those blaster shots at the end and dusting himself off had the theater roaring. Was really cool to be a part of.
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With her in this if she died in the first ten minutes? Sorry. If the trade off is not seeing her reunite with Luke later on and the moments they shared... I’m voting for no space death hands down.
As for Leia getting her heroic death in space being better, I agree... Â
How much of the movie would they have had to reshoot/rewrite had they done that? Seems to me that they needed that Leia/Luke interaction at the end to make it all work.
viewers can apply whatever logic they want into how they view it. I don't know why we have to accept everything without questioning how or why it works.
As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.
Wait. We don’t know that Leia has had force training prior to TFA? Huh? It’s literally all she talks about lol.
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How much of the movie would they have had to reshoot/rewrite had they done that? Seems to me that they needed that Leia/Luke interaction at the end to make it all work.
Exactly. They didn’t know she was going to die in real life obviously.
viewers can apply whatever logic they want into how they view it. I don't know why we have to accept everything without questioning how or why it works.
As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.
Wait. We don’t know that Leia has had force training prior to TFA? Huh? It’s literally all she talks about lol.
What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?
It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.
What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?
It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.
Luke doesn't discover that Vader is his father until Vader tells him. He confronts Vader in that place on Dagobah and sees himself under the mask. It was a warning that he himself could turn to the darkside if he isn't careful. Retrospectively, it's an indicator that he is connected to Vader in some way, but Luke has no reason to believe he is Vader's son until he tells him.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
It's funny, because I feel the exact opposite. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while reading the glowing reviews. I wouldn't say I hated it at all, but I was definitely underwhelmed to say the least. And if I'm being perfectly honest, with Luke and Leia essentially gone now, I could not care less about what happens in Episode IX.
This movie felt like about 30-45 minutes of actually important plot and an hour and a half of "who cares" filler. I could watch the Luke and Rey scenes all day.
The rest though was almost like Rian Johnson said "Well, I've got these characters that have to do something...I guess I'll have them go to Space Vegas on a convoluted MacGuffin quest or something. That should add some runtime to the movie"
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What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?
It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.
Luke doesn't discover that Vader is his father until Vader tells him. He confronts Vader in that place on Dagobah and sees himself under the mask. It was a warning that he himself could turn to the darkside if he isn't careful. Retrospectively, it's an indicator that he is connected to Vader in some way, but Luke has no reason to believe he is Vader's son until he tells him.
Ok. Whatever. Lol. The parallel in this movie was absolutely there to that scene regardless if Luke had 100% confirmation then or not.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
It's funny, because I feel the exact opposite. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while reading the glowing reviews. I wouldn't say I hated it at all, but I was definitely underwhelmed to say the least. And if I'm being perfectly honest, with Luke and Leia essentially gone now, I could not care less about what happens in Episode IX.
This movie felt like about 30-45 minutes of actually important plot and an hour and a half of "who cares" filler. I could watch the Luke and Rey scenes all day.
The rest though was almost like Rian Johnson said "Well, I've got these characters that have to do something...I guess I'll have them go to Space Vegas on a convoluted MacGuffin quest or something. That should add some runtime to the movie"
Rose was a pointless character.
Finn was boring in this movie.
Captain Phasma seems like she originated as a cool drawing presented to studio executives, but nobody can figure out what to do with her to make her interesting.
Benicio del Toro's character was a pretty big letdown. His betrayal was a "yeah, we've seen this already with Lando" moment. (yawn)
And nothing againat Oscar Isaac, but there's absolutely nothing special to me about the Poe character.
I'm glad they're making Star Wars movies again, but it seems obvious that none of them will ever touch the original three. The originals' status as the gold standard will remain safe for a long time, in part because all of their primary and secondary characters were unique and critical to the story.
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Ok. Whatever. Lol. The parallel in this movie was absolutely there to that scene regardless if Luke had 100% confirmation then or not.
Sure, wasn't arguing that at all. The point of both places is to give both characters insight into themselves. In Luke's scene, it was to warn him about the dangerous path he was teetering on and show him the possible consequences. In Rey's scene, I believe it was to show her that she is concentrating on the wrong things. Questions of where she came from are not as important as who she will become. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
to each their own. My only qualm is "the original 3". Return of the Jedi is a joke of a movie. It provided viewers with many of the same things you don't like about the new movies when it comes to pointless plots or characters. It stands on nothing other than nostalgia. If you are going to point out all the flaws of episode 8, it would be very disingenuous to not do the same for its predecessors, especially the worst of the bunch.
Overall, I thought is was fun, exciting and a great movie. As has been said above, it was full throttle start to finish. Driving home with my 14 old son, we started talking and our 2 biggest issues was:
1) We never did find out who the hell was Snoke. I guess he was just some old guy who proclaimed himself supreme leader.
2) Rey's parents was a big letdown. Like Snoke, she was just some nobody who happened to be a Jedi master waiting to happen.
Those 2 things aside, it was great. Maybe the best line in the whole Star Wars universe
After they blow away the Luke force ghost....
"I think you got him"
neither is definitive just yet - we won't know for sure until ep 9. I'm fine with Snoke being some guy, his origin doesn't really matter to me. But Rey's past is likely not done being revealed.
Overall, I thought is was fun, exciting and a great movie. As has been said above, it was full throttle start to finish. Driving home with my 14 old son, we started talking and our 2 biggest issues was:
1) We never did find out who the hell was Snoke. I guess he was just some old guy who proclaimed himself supreme leader.
2) Rey's parents was a big letdown. Like Snoke, she was just some nobody who happened to be a Jedi master waiting to happen.
Those 2 things aside, it was great. Maybe the best line in the whole Star Wars universe
After they blow away the Luke force ghost....
"I think you got him"
I actually thought it was refreshing that Rey is not connected to the characters of the original three. It's such a small universe of characters for a movie setting where there are hundreds of habitable worlds teeming with life, it's a nice change of pace.
Assuming, that is, that Kylo wasn't misleading her in an attempt to get her to join him on the darkside. Entirely possible.
to each their own. My only qualm is "the original 3". Return of the Jedi is a joke of a movie. It provided viewers with many of the same things you don't like about the new movies when it comes to pointless plots or characters. It stands on nothing other than nostalgia. If you are going to point out all the flaws of episode 8, it would be very disingenuous to not do the same for its predecessors, especially the worst of the bunch.
Return of the Jedi isn't a joke. Not even close to a joke. It's the weakest of the three originals, for sure, primarily because of the recycled Death Star, the slow plot on Endor, and the Ewoks. Some people had a problem with the big Leia revelation, but I didn't. But everything with Luke and Vader in that film is fantastic, culminating in the dramatic redemption of Vader. On that point alone, saying that the film stands on nothing is mind-boggling. Vader is redeemed by his son in that film.
a few issues i had ..Snoke needs to be explained which i think will be in the The Last Jedi The Visual Dictionary that comes out today.Captain Phasma should have been an on going character i didn't like that they killed her off again when they had a marvel mini series in the fall and they showed her escape from starkiller base and what happens after .I guess she is the new Boba Fett ..Also where was Snap Wexley and Jess Testor ? They were both in Poe's squadron in TFA and they are not even background characters which i thought was odd ..And again no mention of Lando ..He was a general in Jedi but still no mention ..
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I reallly enjoyed it. Need to see it a few more times before I rank it but I would instantly slot well above the piece of shit prequels and on par with many of the movies. Rogue One and Episode V are still my favorites.
Really my only isseu is not knowing who Snoke is and where he came from.
There is no way Rey's parents were "nobodies" no way in hell. There is more to come in regards to that. Still wont be shoked to learn she is a Skywalker.
Really good movie. Stirred a ton of emotions from my youth with Yoda, Leia Chewbacca and Luke. Just the fact that I was feeling emotional several times in the movie satisfies me.
You gotta chill. It seems more like you're trying to defend the movie and argue people's opinions rather than trying to have a discussion about the film.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.
A lot of people had the same negative reaction to The Force Awakens. It seems like for a lot of people, if it's not the original trilogy, they don't want it. I'm not even sure why they go to see these movies if nothing ever comes close to the originals for them. I saw it last night and enjoyed it. I liked this movie, The Force Awakens and even Rogue One. We've gotten three Star Wars movies that were all at least average or solid Star Wars movies at the very worst yet there are a bunch of people out there crying about how terrible each one is. It's crazy to me. Is it a perfect movie? Of course not. It had it's stupid moments and things I would have changed. But... it was still an enjoyable Star Wars movie. For people to say it's garbage or a waste of their time... well... I'm not sure what they were expecting. I think a lot of these people are just upset about a certain thing that happens in the film.
I can't decide yet if I like this a bit more or a bit less than The Force Awakens but that's okay. I think this movie will be easier to rewatch than TFA was due to the increased amount of action here.
My little current mini rankings would probably be ESB, ANH, TFA/TLJ/ROTJ, ROTS, Rogue One (if you want to include that), TPM, AOTC. I feel like AOTC was the only bad movie. TPM was full of plenty of bad moments but I don't think it was bad overall. But the bad moments drag it down.
A lot of reviews described this movie as an emotional rollercoaster and that's 100% correct in my opinion, assuming you're invested in these characters at all. My main issues with the movie was the way they handled Snoke but I guess I'll let that play out until IX and see if they reveal anything else about him. Probably not though, and I doubt we'll care much by then. I'm not sure what to think about Rey's parents. Part of me hopes they were nobody junk traders or whatever so they can get away from the whole Skywalker thing and show that anybody can have it in them to become that powerful. But I think it'll end up being that Kylo is a liar and she's linked to somebody, maybe Obi-Wan who makes a force ghost appearance.
My biggest issue heading into IX is that it's hard to care about what's left. A reason we were so excited about VII is that Han, Chewy and the gang were coming back. VIII with Luke. You had the old mixed with the new. Now it's mostly just the new and I'm not sure how to feel about that. A large part of me is hoping we get a whole lot of force ghost action in IX. It would be cheap fan service but still. I'm interested to see how it goes between Rey and Kylo and I really liked their interactions in The Last Jedi but I don't know if that's enough to make episode IX special. I guess we'll see.
I just think that's lame as fuck.
I believed there was conflict in Ben. I was completely guessing right up until after Snokes army was defeated. I think they did a good job leaving that open.
and I see Luke is back to his whiny ways...his whole "I'm done with the Jedis" act translated to "... but Aunt Beru..." for me...
Looking back on it after a night of sleep I didn’t care for the Leia angle. Not sure if they just didn’t want to give her a cruel death after what happened to her in real life but I though her getting blown out of the bridge would have been awesome and on par with some of the other decisions that were made throughout this installment. Her floating back to the ship was a let down on what could have been a grand and heroic death.
...and would have solved some very real logistical production problems for the next film.
Same complaints as others....
I'm disappointed in not knowing more about Snoke's backstory.
Cosmic Space Leia was also a little much. Not a dealbreaker like for some, but not sure I liked that sequence.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.
You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid.
Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.
Yeah. It’s just the world we live in. People need to pick apart everything to feel validated or something (not referring to anyone here). It keeps getting worse. The initial reaction will be that it was awesome but in two weeks this thing will be dissected down to nothing. We’ll be talking about time traveling, physics, ect in no time. Lol
I'm also not certain that Snoke is completely dead. Could he be a clone? Does he have some ability to re-generate?
I'm okay with all the mystery and all the open questions with Snoke, Rey's parentage, etc - that's just part of how Star Wars has always worked - things are revealed over time. We don't need all the answers to the questions right away.
You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid.
Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.
Who’s to say they can’t still do exactly that in the last movie? The whole space thing looked CGI to me anyway. I’m sure there is left over footage left with her they can still use. We’ll see.
As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.
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but I'm fine conceding some things that seem out of place or unrealistic (even for a sci fi movie within the context of the world that was created).
You are going the GoT thread route where anything that isn't 100% praised is being defended at all costs. People are allowed to think something isn't as good as you and some of the reasons are valid.
Leia having a heroic death being blown to space, to me, would have been much better than floating back to the ship in the middle of space. That isn't a nitpick, that's a major plot point that I think could have been done differently. I even turned to my friend when she first got shot out to space and said "did they just fucking kill her off?". If that stuck our jaws would have been dropped for a while.
Who’s to say they can’t still do exactly that in the last movie? The whole space thing looked CGI to me anyway. I’m sure there is left over footage left with her they can still use. We’ll see.
Maybe they will, but now it will be expected. I was genuinely shocked when she got blown to space and felt it would have been perfect to end it that way. Whatever happens to her now will be expected for two reasons - She almost died in ep 8 and there's limited footage of her to be used in episode 9.
Yeah I agree. I was never a big Luke fan from the originals but he was awesome in this. No wasted screen time at all and everything he said had a purpose. Him taking those blaster shots at the end and dusting himself off had the theater roaring. Was really cool to be a part of.
How much of the movie would they have had to reshoot/rewrite had they done that? Seems to me that they needed that Leia/Luke interaction at the end to make it all work.
As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.
Wait. We don’t know that Leia has had force training prior to TFA? Huh? It’s literally all she talks about lol.
How much of the movie would they have had to reshoot/rewrite had they done that? Seems to me that they needed that Leia/Luke interaction at the end to make it all work.
Exactly. They didn’t know she was going to die in real life obviously.
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viewers can apply whatever logic they want into how they view it. I don't know why we have to accept everything without questioning how or why it works.
As for Rey, you don't know she hasn't had training. Her entire life prior to TFA is still a complete mystery.
Wait. We don’t know that Leia has had force training prior to TFA? Huh? It’s literally all she talks about lol.
Meant to say Rey.
What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?
What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?
It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.
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What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?
It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.
Luke doesn't discover that Vader is his father until Vader tells him. He confronts Vader in that place on Dagobah and sees himself under the mask. It was a warning that he himself could turn to the darkside if he isn't careful. Retrospectively, it's an indicator that he is connected to Vader in some way, but Luke has no reason to believe he is Vader's son until he tells him.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
It's funny, because I feel the exact opposite. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while reading the glowing reviews. I wouldn't say I hated it at all, but I was definitely underwhelmed to say the least. And if I'm being perfectly honest, with Luke and Leia essentially gone now, I could not care less about what happens in Episode IX.
This movie felt like about 30-45 minutes of actually important plot and an hour and a half of "who cares" filler. I could watch the Luke and Rey scenes all day.
The rest though was almost like Rian Johnson said "Well, I've got these characters that have to do something...I guess I'll have them go to Space Vegas on a convoluted MacGuffin quest or something. That should add some runtime to the movie"
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under the island?
What was she supposed to see down there? What was that all about?
It was a Jedi training place. When Luke was with Yoda training in the originals doesn’t he discover that Vader is his father in a similar manner? I think the thought was that Rey would have a similar outcome but she didn’t.
Luke doesn't discover that Vader is his father until Vader tells him. He confronts Vader in that place on Dagobah and sees himself under the mask. It was a warning that he himself could turn to the darkside if he isn't careful. Retrospectively, it's an indicator that he is connected to Vader in some way, but Luke has no reason to believe he is Vader's son until he tells him.
Ok. Whatever. Lol. The parallel in this movie was absolutely there to that scene regardless if Luke had 100% confirmation then or not.
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Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
It's funny, because I feel the exact opposite. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while reading the glowing reviews. I wouldn't say I hated it at all, but I was definitely underwhelmed to say the least. And if I'm being perfectly honest, with Luke and Leia essentially gone now, I could not care less about what happens in Episode IX.
This movie felt like about 30-45 minutes of actually important plot and an hour and a half of "who cares" filler. I could watch the Luke and Rey scenes all day.
The rest though was almost like Rian Johnson said "Well, I've got these characters that have to do something...I guess I'll have them go to Space Vegas on a convoluted MacGuffin quest or something. That should add some runtime to the movie"
Rose was a pointless character.
Finn was boring in this movie.
Captain Phasma seems like she originated as a cool drawing presented to studio executives, but nobody can figure out what to do with her to make her interesting.
Benicio del Toro's character was a pretty big letdown. His betrayal was a "yeah, we've seen this already with Lando" moment. (yawn)
And nothing againat Oscar Isaac, but there's absolutely nothing special to me about the Poe character.
I'm glad they're making Star Wars movies again, but it seems obvious that none of them will ever touch the original three. The originals' status as the gold standard will remain safe for a long time, in part because all of their primary and secondary characters were unique and critical to the story.
Ok. Whatever. Lol. The parallel in this movie was absolutely there to that scene regardless if Luke had 100% confirmation then or not.
Sure, wasn't arguing that at all. The point of both places is to give both characters insight into themselves. In Luke's scene, it was to warn him about the dangerous path he was teetering on and show him the possible consequences. In Rey's scene, I believe it was to show her that she is concentrating on the wrong things. Questions of where she came from are not as important as who she will become. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
1) We never did find out who the hell was Snoke. I guess he was just some old guy who proclaimed himself supreme leader.
2) Rey's parents was a big letdown. Like Snoke, she was just some nobody who happened to be a Jedi master waiting to happen.
Those 2 things aside, it was great. Maybe the best line in the whole Star Wars universe
After they blow away the Luke force ghost....
"I think you got him"
1) We never did find out who the hell was Snoke. I guess he was just some old guy who proclaimed himself supreme leader.
2) Rey's parents was a big letdown. Like Snoke, she was just some nobody who happened to be a Jedi master waiting to happen.
Those 2 things aside, it was great. Maybe the best line in the whole Star Wars universe
After they blow away the Luke force ghost....
"I think you got him"
I actually thought it was refreshing that Rey is not connected to the characters of the original three. It's such a small universe of characters for a movie setting where there are hundreds of habitable worlds teeming with life, it's a nice change of pace.
Assuming, that is, that Kylo wasn't misleading her in an attempt to get her to join him on the darkside. Entirely possible.
Return of the Jedi isn't a joke. Not even close to a joke. It's the weakest of the three originals, for sure, primarily because of the recycled Death Star, the slow plot on Endor, and the Ewoks. Some people had a problem with the big Leia revelation, but I didn't. But everything with Luke and Vader in that film is fantastic, culminating in the dramatic redemption of Vader. On that point alone, saying that the film stands on nothing is mind-boggling. Vader is redeemed by his son in that film.
Plus, Boba Fett and Yoda are in that movie.
And Slave Leia, dude. Slave Leia.
and I see Luke is back to his whiny ways...his whole "I'm done with the Jedis" act translated to "... but Aunt Beru..." for me...
Have you seen her with her staff in this and in TFA? That’s most likely where her lightsaber skills come from.
Really my only isseu is not knowing who Snoke is and where he came from.
There is no way Rey's parents were "nobodies" no way in hell. There is more to come in regards to that. Still wont be shoked to learn she is a Skywalker.
Really good movie. Stirred a ton of emotions from my youth with Yoda, Leia Chewbacca and Luke. Just the fact that I was feeling emotional several times in the movie satisfies me.
Can't wait to see it Sunday with the entire fam.
Although, I can't say I don't feel like doing the same. The intense negative reactions by some to this movie are just leaving me scratching my head. Did I see the same movie as these people? There loads of people on social media saying this was worse than the Prequels!
I have a second showing tonight, really fucking excited.
A lot of people had the same negative reaction to The Force Awakens. It seems like for a lot of people, if it's not the original trilogy, they don't want it. I'm not even sure why they go to see these movies if nothing ever comes close to the originals for them. I saw it last night and enjoyed it. I liked this movie, The Force Awakens and even Rogue One. We've gotten three Star Wars movies that were all at least average or solid Star Wars movies at the very worst yet there are a bunch of people out there crying about how terrible each one is. It's crazy to me. Is it a perfect movie? Of course not. It had it's stupid moments and things I would have changed. But... it was still an enjoyable Star Wars movie. For people to say it's garbage or a waste of their time... well... I'm not sure what they were expecting. I think a lot of these people are just upset about a certain thing that happens in the film.
I can't decide yet if I like this a bit more or a bit less than The Force Awakens but that's okay. I think this movie will be easier to rewatch than TFA was due to the increased amount of action here.
My little current mini rankings would probably be ESB, ANH, TFA/TLJ/ROTJ, ROTS, Rogue One (if you want to include that), TPM, AOTC. I feel like AOTC was the only bad movie. TPM was full of plenty of bad moments but I don't think it was bad overall. But the bad moments drag it down.
A lot of reviews described this movie as an emotional rollercoaster and that's 100% correct in my opinion, assuming you're invested in these characters at all. My main issues with the movie was the way they handled Snoke but I guess I'll let that play out until IX and see if they reveal anything else about him. Probably not though, and I doubt we'll care much by then. I'm not sure what to think about Rey's parents. Part of me hopes they were nobody junk traders or whatever so they can get away from the whole Skywalker thing and show that anybody can have it in them to become that powerful. But I think it'll end up being that Kylo is a liar and she's linked to somebody, maybe Obi-Wan who makes a force ghost appearance.
My biggest issue heading into IX is that it's hard to care about what's left. A reason we were so excited about VII is that Han, Chewy and the gang were coming back. VIII with Luke. You had the old mixed with the new. Now it's mostly just the new and I'm not sure how to feel about that. A large part of me is hoping we get a whole lot of force ghost action in IX. It would be cheap fan service but still. I'm interested to see how it goes between Rey and Kylo and I really liked their interactions in The Last Jedi but I don't know if that's enough to make episode IX special. I guess we'll see.