I have a feeling Richburg

is also a way superior pass-blocker to Jones. I don't care what PFF says, you can see it when you watch with your 2 eyes that he is clearly better. Way smoother, and way better hands/feet.

While Jones has a bit more strength in the run-game and a stronger anchor, Richburg makes up for it with his ability to make reach blocks on the 2nd level.

Linval? Barry?

The most successful was probably Cameron Wake, who had a different name and different demeanor when he was with NYG.

Ed McCaffrey, Sean Landetta come to mind.

....a concussion sustained week 4 is a big red flag.

you probably will see that he couldn’t handle big nose tackles in front of him.

To my eyes, Richburg hasn't been good in 2016, 2017. During that time I don't see him doing anything particularly well. Jones looks OK. Giants should draft another center.

I only have a sneaking suspicion to explain his decline from his second season: He's dealing with an undisclosed injury.

Guy got pushed back on every play. We definitely need to move on from him unless he's willing to come back as a backup. He sucks.

Matt Bryant

push back

Unless he was adversly hurt these past 2 years.

Not strong enough to play at a high level. Has injury issues. I have a feeling he is out of the league in a year or two.

In comment 13741231 NYRiese said:

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push back Unless he was adversly hurt these past 2 years.

Can you share any other deinitions?

to Bentleys Camp. Since we now all perfectly understand what a complete bunch of bs that was!

Only if he’s on the cheap but I think we’ve seen enough and now that he’s taken one on the coconut, it’s something to be concerned with.

ROFLMAO he wasn't even the best center on this team this season. He's a near bust and Jones is ALREADY the better player. I agree he won't re-sign here...and good riddance. The sooner we jettison Reese's pieces the better.

My take is that he'll never play another down of football.

To be IRd that early in the season from a concussion, something must be really wrong.

He's going to retire.

What was that punter's name...?

In that they are both good players when they are actually on the field.

But...

It's kind of worthless resigning them since they seem to always be hurt.

We need players who can actually, you know, play

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In comment 13741190 Sarcastic Sam said:

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Linval? Barry? The most successful was probably Cameron Wake, who had a different name and different demeanor when he was with NYG.

It seems heavily skewed to DTs they didn't want to pay. Griffin, Joseph and now Hankins.

please.

Is really good. Real smart move to get rid of him. Not.

That Richburg needs a powerful RG next to him to succeed. He is not a mauler, but a technician. He never actually got to play with Fluker, as Fluker was inserted after Richburg went down. I think he is a better player than we have seen over the past 2 years.

Richburg was never part of a good O-line so he's going to have a tough time proving himself.

The most recent unappreciated loss is.........Hankins. Compare last years D-line to this year's, and consider that he's playing lights-out right now....

But he is still considered by many to be a top 5 center in the NFL.

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But he is still considered by many to be a top 5 center in the NFL.

Who are the many?

Last two for whatever reasons not good enough. Not by long short. Maybe if you have a Zack Martin next to you it’s ok to be meh but Pugh has been good but always hurt. Also they grabbed the wrong ex Dolphin in Jerry. He’s been healthy which is the only thing that he’s been able to really bring. W last year being a mess they didn’t even draft a C/G or G with Pugh’s injury history/FA status, Jerry bent at best mediocre and Richberg struggling is mind boggling.

If he’s back it’s because they are paper thin in talent and depth.

he should have been listed as a fullback on the roster, because he spent most of his time getting pushed into the backfield.

In comment 13741475 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Last two for whatever reasons not good enough. Not by long short. Maybe if you have a Zack Martin next to you it’s ok to be meh but Pugh has been good but always hurt. Also they grabbed the wrong ex Dolphin in Jerry. He’s been healthy which is the only thing that he’s been able to really bring. W last year being a mess they didn’t even draft a C/G or G with Pugh’s injury history/FA status, Jerry bent at best mediocre and Richberg struggling is mind boggling. If he’s back it’s because they are paper thin in talent and depth.

The team is paper thin in talent and depth.

In comment 13741402 WideRight said:

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Richburg was never part of a good O-line so he's going to have a tough time proving himself. The most recent unappreciated loss is.........Hankins. Compare last years D-line to this year's, and consider that he's playing lights-out right now....

A DT rotation of Snacks, Hankins and Tomlinson would have been scary good. Top 5 in the NFL.

In comment 13741188 Breeze_94 said:

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is also a way superior pass-blocker to Jones. I don't care what PFF says, you can see it when you watch with your 2 eyes that he is clearly better. Way smoother, and way better hands/feet. While Jones has a bit more strength in the run-game and a stronger anchor, Richburg makes up for it with his ability to make reach blocks on the 2nd level.

I disagree with this evaluation. Throwing draft positions out? Eye test - Jones is better in every aspect. He's an easy target because he's an undersized nobody from Canada but I see a tenacious SOB who is smart and vocal up front and never backs down. What he has over Richburg in spades is consistency, and the right attitude. Whatever happens with Weston, I'm good with Jones moving forward (still only 26) and am enthusiastic about seeing him in a better scheme.
He is one of the very few guys who has actually managed to work himself into a better player despite the f#ckshow around him. He's determined and he's got some old school grit & drive.

if we are talking about the same Richburg and the performance that he has given us over the past couple of years.

Now, get him in the hands of a better OL coach ... and a strength coach that can help him to NOT get pushed back into the QB... then yeah maybe the guy ends up being one of the better centers in the league. I just dont see it happening here.

I'm no fan of Richburg but Jones has not played well-especially in pass pro. You cannot go into next year with Jones as your stater. He's a backup.

Whatever happens with Richburg, I would guess that wherever he ends up, he'll be be looking at a contract between vet min and 2x vet min based on his performance the past 2+ years. He has not been very good and is trending downward. Is he worth a flier to see if he regains form, yes. Is he worth an investment as a projected valued starter, imo, no. Your mileage may vary.

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Ed McCaffrey, Sean Landetta come to mind.

Going further back, there's Buddy Dial, Don Maynard, Ben Davidson, Henry Davis, Frenchy Fuqua, Alvin Garrett, Rosey Grier, and some guy named Sam Huff.

In comment 13741466 Beer Man said:

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But he is still considered by many to be a top 5 center in the NFL.

name 1 person.

Center is my #1 concern on the O-line going forward. Jones is a backup. Richburg had a good start to his career but regressed, and as someone mentioned earlier, IR after game 4 concussion makes me think the guy needs to get out of this business. Price in round 2 gets my vote.

problems than Flowers. Good riddance to both.

Jerry are our top two linemen!!!

Okay, sarcasm aside, I would let Richburgh walk in a NY minute! I've never seen a Center get blown back off the line of scrimmage as bad as he does. Let him go. we may have some growing pains, but I hope there are some good interior linemen in this draft, we have to get stout up the middle, if we decide to keep Pugh I hope it's not at a premium.

Well I have a feeling too.

He was the reason we ever ran successfully. I did the reviews that season and he was consistently very very good. He was easily the best OL on this team. Injuries sapped him badly last year and I assume the inability to workout effectively with a bad hand probably cost him another year. I would not write him off just yet, but that concussion may be it for him.

But, in 4 seasons, he had 1 very good one (his second). the other 3 have been downright bad...like very bad. This concussion is troubling. But even if he is cleared to play next year, I wouldn't be the team to pay him/rely on him. Let another team assume the risk, even if he does pan out for them.

I would say the same for Pugh. If we had a dominant OL with excellent depth, my view would be different. Then, losing either of them to injury could be absorbed. But, Pugh has shown no ability to stay healthy and, in my opinion, has not played to level of pay he is supposedly after. Richburg has had injury concerns, but even when in the lineup has been subpar3 out of 4 seasons. He gets manhandled by bigger and stronger DTs, which we just can't afford.

In comment 13741715 Joey in VA said:

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He was the reason we ever ran successfully. I did the reviews that season and he was consistently very very good. He was easily the best OL on this team. Injuries sapped him badly last year and I assume the inability to workout effectively with a bad hand probably cost him another year. I would not write him off just yet, but that concussion may be it for him.

Joey, could this be another case of scheme adding to the problem? in 2015, they were still running a hybrid of TC and McAdon'ts offense, not a pure BM (no pun intended) offense.

The problem is that he's not been healthy for the past two years. And that's the issue going forward.

I really like Jones as a quality back-up but he's not a long-term starting Center or Guard in this league. He's a guy that you can get by with him starting for a few games.

In comment 13741741 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13741715 Joey in VA said: Quote: He was the reason we ever ran successfully. I did the reviews that season and he was consistently very very good. He was easily the best OL on this team. Injuries sapped him badly last year and I assume the inability to workout effectively with a bad hand probably cost him another year. I would not write him off just yet, but that concussion may be it for him. Joey, could this be another case of scheme adding to the problem? in 2015, they were still running a hybrid of TC and McAdon'ts offense, not a pure BM (no pun intended) offense.

it almost has to. Any success we had this year was on similar inside zone traps and iso plays. Those are what he did so well when healthy.

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A DT rotation of Snacks, Hankins and Tomlinson would have been scary good. Top 5 in the NFL.

would we have drafted Tomlinson if we re-signed Hankins?

It’s a shame because he showed so much potential. At one point he looked like a top 3 Center but he definitely fell off.. I look at to things that could’ve done this. 1. Injuries. And 2. Scheme change.

If he can prove to be healthy and in the right scheme he can get it together again. He’s a tough dude and he’s committed to being great. He could be a steal for someone but it’s a gamble considering his injury history.

I’m not opposed to a 1 year prove it deal on the cheap but it’s probably best if we move on.

In comment 13741778 Joey in VA said:

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In comment 13741741 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 13741715 Joey in VA said: Quote: He was the reason we ever ran successfully. I did the reviews that season and he was consistently very very good. He was easily the best OL on this team. Injuries sapped him badly last year and I assume the inability to workout effectively with a bad hand probably cost him another year. I would not write him off just yet, but that concussion may be it for him. Joey, could this be another case of scheme adding to the problem? in 2015, they were still running a hybrid of TC and McAdon'ts offense, not a pure BM (no pun intended) offense. it almost has to. Any success we had this year was on similar inside zone traps and iso plays. Those are what he did so well when healthy.

Thanks Joey. Yet another reason they had to move on.

With concussion issues he may be finished.

And draft Billy Price at the top of the 2nd round.

of a puzzle as I cannot believe injuries reversed such a nice development curve he had. Some drop-off yes but not reversal.

Nevertheless, he hasn't played well in a while, he lost his job and he can't play for us anytime soon.

Now he is going to lose his roster spot...