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NFT: Knicks Chat: Good win, KP "not in significant pain"

DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 7:52 am
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Kristaps Porzingis says that he isnt in significant pain at the moment and its a good sign that hes standing on his own. Hes uncertain about playing Saturday but he says hell know more after being examined tomorrow.

-Absolutely love KP but he's a bit of a creeper for a big NBA star when it comes to social media. He's consistently getting outed for trying to pick up models on instagram lol This time Jen Selter. I obviously don't give a shit what the guy does in his personal life just seems weird he needs to go about it this way given who he is.

-Really like what I saw from Frank

-Against my better judgement I like Beasley. Yeah he can be maddeningly but guy can flat out score and has an interesting way of going about it.

-Huge game from Lee

-Arguably the player most debated in the Knicks universe, KOQ brings some attributes nobody on this team can. He's physical, good passer, clearly vocal on defense. #TeamKOQ

Around the league-

Drummond 12 points, 19 rebounds, 8 assists
Ingram 26, 6 and 6... sucked last year but kid is going to be very, very good
Kuzma 20 and 7
KAT 30 points, 14 boards, 5 assists, 5 blocks... trying his hand at being KP (jk)
KD 36 and 11 with 7 assists, 15-23!
Jordan Bell 8 points, 6 boards, 8 assists 2 steals over only 24 minutes...Warriors pay 3 million to an awful Bulls team for Draymond 2.0, seems fair.
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Comparing Burke to Covington is silly, anyway  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:39 am : link
Covington was underrated because he played for a small school. Physically, he belongs. Burke was hyped because he played for a big school, but he manages to be both undersized yet not particularly athletic. Physically, he's overmatched in the NBA.
Good video breakdown of Ron and Frank  
Heisenberg : 12/15/2017 9:42 am : link
in last night's game.
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Baker has some real potential to be a rotational guy.  
Keith : 12/15/2017 9:51 am : link
He's still a very young player. Thomas certainly has a role on a team, but he'd be better suited as an 8th, 9th or 10th guy in the rotation.
Off topic  
TyreeHelmet : 12/15/2017 9:53 am : link
but Frank Mason has been playing really well. Kings got a nice steal for the 34th overall pick.

You have to hope the Bulls 2nd rounder the Knicks have falls in the top 35. You can get a nice player there.
RE: I was at the game.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13741340 Jon in NYC said:
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Holy shit Barclays is awful. No room to maneuver, everyone is right on top of each other, the black backdrop makes you feel like you're in a big garage that wasn't pained.

agree. For all the hype, Barclays is pretty terrible.
RE: I  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13741347 DanMetroMan said:
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can accept what Baker brings but I'm sorry I just can't get behind #teamLanceThomas. He's an absolute zero on offense and he's not Tony Allen on D despite all of the props to the contrary. I mean good for him being a high quality dude and working his way into being an NBA player but he's pretty horrible.

last night was another patented "one rebound" game for Lance. I get it that he's a talker on defense and hustles...but I've never heard of an energy player that size who just flat out gives you nothing on the boards.

Here's another fun stat. Guess how many blocked shots he has this season. Fucking ZERO.
RE: Baker has some real potential to be a rotational guy.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13741522 Keith said:
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He's still a very young player.

No he's not. He might be the oldest second year player in the league (besides guys who played pro overseas).
Brogs has Baker beat by 4 months  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 10:04 am : link
He's also a much better player.
Very good win..  
Sean : 12/15/2017 10:10 am : link
But KP gets hurt too much. Its concerning.
I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
Ira : 12/15/2017 10:12 am : link
No one's complaining about them now.
RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13741560 Ira said:
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No one's complaining about them now.


Oh c'mon. You'd prefer those 2 over better players/player at the same rate? The two of them are making 10 million this season, I sure as hell could find a better way to spend that (and next season that goes up to 11). If I gave you 21 million to spend over the next 2 seasons there is a 0% chance this is how you would choose to spend it.
PJ  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:22 am : link
Tucker another guy people want to pretend Lance Thomas is "like" career .88 WS/48 just for comparisons sake.
KP's health is a bigger problem  
Chris684 : 12/15/2017 10:23 am : link
than Lance Thomas or Baker right now.

He can't make it 2 weeks without an injury scare.

And when isnt banged up he's getting pushed around and pushed to the floor which exposes him to injury all over again.

Injury/Physicality is a big problem for him.
RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13741560 Ira said:
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No one's complaining about them now.

yeah, those deals still suck. The Baker contract was, is, and will remain dumb on multiple levels. The Lance deal was dumb as well, but he had at least shown some semblance of being a back of the rotation guy by the end of 2015 when he got that deal. If he had maintained that level of play the deal wouldn't look as bad. They should have just kept Galloway - who was better and signed for less money. Another stellar decision from Phil/Mills.
Frank played more minutes than JJ  
Ira : 12/15/2017 10:24 am : link
the last two games and the same number of minutes the game before those two. I love the way Hornacek is bringing him along and the way he runs the offense. He seems to have cut down on those silly turnovers that he used to commit.
Ginobili  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:26 am : link
finally looks shot. Quite a career.

Everyone had Alridge put out to pasture and suddenly he's back to being a star at 32. Maybe Melo can dream big lol. In all honesty Melo should consider joining Popp (they liked each other during the Olympics) might be the best spot to have a late career surge.
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GentleGiant : 12/15/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13741351 DanMetroMan said:
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really like Dougie but it's amazing how few assists he puts up (and that's for his career too) last 88 minutes (3 games, 0 assists) hard to pull off


He's finisher. Funny when we got him he was advertised as a 3 point shooter but he's so much more effective and a cutter. He's got great hands around the basket and if giving an inch of space can put the ball in the hole.
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DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13741591 GentleGiant said:
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In comment 13741351 DanMetroMan said:


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really like Dougie but it's amazing how few assists he puts up (and that's for his career too) last 88 minutes (3 games, 0 assists) hard to pull off



He's finisher. Funny when we got him he was advertised as a 3 point shooter but he's so much more effective and a cutter. He's got great hands around the basket and if giving an inch of space can put the ball in the hole.


I really think he is the perfect example of a guy who was miscast. The Bulls (#1 are a disaster of a franchise) but #2 wanted to use him as a primary scorer and that's not really his game, he's not great at shot creation and then he went to OKC and they wanted him to be Kyle Korver. Kid moves really well without the ball, has really soft hands around the basket AND can shoot. I don't want to overrate him but he's very solid.
RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
TyreeHelmet : 12/15/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13741560 Ira said:
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No one's complaining about them now.


Any rational reasonable fan is. And I'm a bigger Lance fan than most. But those 2 guys are bad contracts- no getting around it.

And its not about those guys getting paid- good for them. It's an opportunity cost for other players. Jonathan Simmons got 3 years 18 million and the last year isn't even guaranteed. Would you take him or Lance/Baker?

Baker does some things that help but he's a fringe nba player/ mininum salary guy.
RE: RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13741605 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13741560 Ira said:


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No one's complaining about them now.



Any rational reasonable fan is. And I'm a bigger Lance fan than most. But those 2 guys are bad contracts- no getting around it.

And its not about those guys getting paid- good for them. It's an opportunity cost for other players. Jonathan Simmons got 3 years 18 million and the last year isn't even guaranteed. Would you take him or Lance/Baker?

Baker does some things that help but he's a fringe nba player/ mininum salary guy.

I can't think of another drafted guy getting a 1+1 after his first year for that much guaranteed money. And because it's a 1+1 he basically has a no-trade for this season. All for an old rookie who shot 37% last year and 27% from three. It's just so bizarre.
meant to say  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:47 am : link
"undrafted".
nice win for knicks  
hitdog42 : 12/15/2017 11:06 am : link
disagree on the barclays center.
food is good and vibe is getting better, except when clueless clowns are already chanting okafor.

i have only sat down low so maybe its cruddy up top though, in the darkness
Baker is young  
Keith : 12/15/2017 11:20 am : link
in terms of experience and that's what matters. Guys don't get better just cause their older. They get better with experience, training and practice.
RE: KP's health is a bigger problem  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/15/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13741580 Chris684 said:
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than Lance Thomas or Baker right now.

He can't make it 2 weeks without an injury scare.

And when isnt banged up he's getting pushed around and pushed to the floor which exposes him to injury all over again.

Injury/Physicality is a big problem for him.


He's getting pushed around? I don't see that at all.
I can't stand Thomas.  
Keith : 12/15/2017 11:26 am : link
I like some of the things Baker brings and he's not even close to a finished product. He can get better. Obviously his contract makes no sense, but just in terms of what he does and what his potential is, I like him.
The only times KP goes to the floor  
Keith : 12/15/2017 11:27 am : link
is when he's trying to draw a foul. Teams are being tougher with him this year, but he's stronger and able to handle it.
RE: Baker is young  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13741667 Keith said:
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in terms of experience and that's what matters. Guys don't get better just cause their older. They get better with experience, training and practice.

players who are old for their experience level have limited upside and/or room for improvement.
While KP/Hardaway are out/maligned  
GentleGiant : 12/15/2017 11:30 am : link
I would love for this to be the Knicks starting lineup:

Frank, Baker, McDermott, Kanter and O'Quinn. Let the entire game revolve around O'Quinn at the post. He's an excellent passer and both Kanter and McDermott can finish. This will also force Frank to shoot and drive more. Lee and Beasley off the bench when the scoring lags and Jack to backup.
Lance Thomas with the dagger 3 last night....  
GiantsUA : 12/15/2017 11:32 am : link
But, if Lance Thomas and Rudy Baker are the answer, what was the question?

RE: Lance Thomas with the dagger 3 last night....  
Keith : 12/15/2017 11:33 am : link
In comment 13741691 GiantsUA said:
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But, if Lance Thomas and Rudy Baker are the answer, what was the question?


Which 2 players need to start and play 30 minutes to ensure a lottery pick for the Knicks?
I pray KP can play on Saturday.  
Keith : 12/15/2017 11:42 am : link
Can't wait to stick it to Melo and his merry men. Knicks are 15-13 and 1 game out of the 4 seed. We've been here before and we've seen the wheels fall off fast, but this team can def finish in the middle of the pack in the east. We've got some winnable games to close out December.

OKC
@Charlotte
Boston
@Detroit
Philly
@Chicago
@San Antonio
@ NO

5-3 would be nice.
RE: Comparing Burke to Covington is silly, anyway  
Pep22 : 12/15/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13741508 Greg from LI said:
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Covington was underrated because he played for a small school. Physically, he belongs. Burke was hyped because he played for a big school, but he manages to be both undersized yet not particularly athletic. Physically, he's overmatched in the NBA.


1) THJ does not still suck. He's added quite a bit to his game.

2) I didn't compare Burke to Covington. I compared the notion of saying one guy tore up the DL and making a blanket statement about others i.e. b/c Fredette failed, others would.

3) Burke failed early because he thought he was better than he was and played in an entitled way. He also was undersized. While he obviously remains 6'1", he is a lot sturdier of build now. Do I think he will be a stud at the NBA level ever? No. But I think he would be a better option than Sessions because Burke i.e. he'd be a bench option.
Keith  
brunswick : 12/15/2017 12:09 pm : link
Should be thrilled with 3-5....
I'm still not convinced it's just a sprained knee for KP  
Canton : 12/15/2017 12:42 pm : link
The injury was of the non-contact variety, which is always scary when its a knee.. Knee injuries are always difficult to diagnose immediately after a player goes down with one, and often innocuous-sounding updates like sprained knee turn out to become ligament damage.

Especially with the way he described it in his locker room interview. That he felt a "shock" pain but continued to play. But it felt unstable so he asked to be pulled out.

Praying to the basketball gods it's just an over reaction on my part and he's a quick healer like he was with the ankle (that also looked severe but wasn't)
RE: I'm still not convinced it's just a sprained knee for KP  
nygiants16 : 12/15/2017 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13741807 Canton said:
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The injury was of the non-contact variety, which is always scary when its a knee.. Knee injuries are always difficult to diagnose immediately after a player goes down with one, and often innocuous-sounding updates like sprained knee turn out to become ligament damage.

Especially with the way he described it in his locker room interview. That he felt a "shock" pain but continued to play. But it felt unstable so he asked to be pulled out.

Praying to the basketball gods it's just an over reaction on my part and he's a quick healer like he was with the ankle (that also looked severe but wasn't)


If it was anything serious zero chance he is doing his post game standing up with no brace or ice..

I don't think you can say it's not serious,  
Keith : 12/15/2017 12:56 pm : link
but no way is it ligament damage. I would say worst case scenario is a torn meniscus which usually happens like that. It's not really that painful, but you know something is wrong. It feels unstable. Its better than a ligament, but its not good. I'm hoping its not that. MRI will tell.
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DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 1:10 pm : link
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Kyle O'Quinn has thrown 78 passes to Doug McDermott this year, 20 of which have ended up in a Dougie bucket/a KOQ assist. McDermott shoots 81.5% on attempts from O'Quinn.
Heres  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/15/2017 1:37 pm : link
a good clip of Ron Bakers 3 clutch defensive possessions in a row during the 4th.
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Great stuff. That clip is actually a cut from the larger clip  
Keith : 12/15/2017 1:45 pm : link
posted above. Baker is a really good defender. He always has an eye on the ball while having a good feel of where his man is and he has good instincts. He's going to continue to get minutes as he improves. He's still got room to grow as he's a young guy.
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DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 2:41 pm : link
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Kristaps Porzingis is day to day with sore left knee and is questionable for tomorrow vs OKC.
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Del Shofner : 12/15/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13742022 DanMetroMan said:
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Ian Begley‏
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Kristaps Porzingis is day to day with sore left knee and is questionable for tomorrow vs OKC.


hmm ... does that mean MRI was negative?
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djm : 12/15/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13742022 DanMetroMan said:
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Ian Begley‏
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Kristaps Porzingis is day to day with sore left knee and is questionable for tomorrow vs OKC.


So did they do the MRI? Was an MRI needed?
None  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 2:53 pm : link
of the writers are expanding on that information so it's hard to say.
Knowing the Knicks,  
Keith : 12/15/2017 3:24 pm : link
they won't do an MRI. Then KP will still be feeling it in a week and they'll do the MRI.

Without an MRI, that information is absolutely useless.
This guy gets absolutely  
slickwilly : 12/15/2017 4:13 pm : link
abused by Doncic at around the :40 second mark.
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Wfan just said, or I could swear they said it  
djm : 12/15/2017 4:32 pm : link
That the MRI showed no significant damage to the knee. KP is day to day not sure about tomorrow's game. If I misheard apologies but I think they said exactly that.
From the post  
djm : 12/15/2017 4:34 pm : link
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After Fridays MRI exam, Kristaps Porzingis does not appear to have any serious damage to his ACL and the club announced he is day to day with a sore left knee.

Porzingis is being listed as questionable for Carmelo Anthonys Garden return Saturday but it would seem unlikely he is back that soon



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RE: Knowing the Knicks,  
nygiants16 : 12/15/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13742114 Keith said:
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they won't do an MRI. Then KP will still be feeling it in a week and they'll do the MRI.

Without an MRI, that information is absolutely useless.


According to the post they did an mri
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Del Shofner : 12/15/2017 5:50 pm : link
"no serious damage" does not equal "no damage" - we will see.
Knowing the Knicks...  
manh george : 12/15/2017 6:00 pm : link
Scott Perry and Steve Mills aren't 1/10 as stupid as Keith thinks they are, simply because they are associated with the name "Knicks."

Meanwhile, exciting highlight film on Frank linked. Some of the plays he makes are a bit astonishing. My favorite is the defense against Randle.
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