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DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 7:52 am
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Kristaps Porzingis says that he isn’t in significant pain at the moment and it’s a good sign that he’s standing on his own. He’s uncertain about playing Saturday but he says he’ll know more after being examined tomorrow.

-Absolutely love KP but he's a bit of a creeper for a big NBA star when it comes to social media. He's consistently getting outed for trying to pick up models on instagram lol This time Jen Selter. I obviously don't give a shit what the guy does in his personal life just seems weird he needs to go about it this way given who he is.

-Really like what I saw from Frank

-Against my better judgement I like Beasley. Yeah he can be maddeningly but guy can flat out score and has an interesting way of going about it.

-Huge game from Lee

-Arguably the player most debated in the Knicks universe, KOQ brings some attributes nobody on this team can. He's physical, good passer, clearly vocal on defense. #TeamKOQ

Around the league-

Drummond 12 points, 19 rebounds, 8 assists
Ingram 26, 6 and 6... sucked last year but kid is going to be very, very good
Kuzma 20 and 7
KAT 30 points, 14 boards, 5 assists, 5 blocks... trying his hand at being KP (jk)
KD 36 and 11 with 7 assists, 15-23!
Jordan Bell 8 points, 6 boards, 8 assists 2 steals over only 24 minutes...Warriors pay 3 million to an awful Bulls team for Draymond 2.0, seems fair.
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I was at the game.  
Jon in NYC : 12/15/2017 7:53 am : link
Holy shit Barclays is awful. No room to maneuver, everyone is right on top of each other, the black backdrop makes you feel like you're in a big garage that wasn't pained.
Good news re. KP.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/15/2017 7:54 am : link
Visiting buddy today in Philly & heading to OKC-76ers. Can't wait!
Hopefully KP will be ready  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/15/2017 7:55 am : link
for OKC. MSG will be hype for the return of Ray Felton.
RE: I was at the game.  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 7:55 am : link
In comment 13741340 Jon in NYC said:
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Holy shit Barclays is awful. No room to maneuver, everyone is right on top of each other, the black backdrop makes you feel like you're in a big garage that wasn't pained.


Yeah it sucks. For concerts the acoustics in the upper levels are REALLY bad. Saw the Killers there when it first opened and everyone around us was in agreement. Saw the Black Keys there with better seats and it was better but still not incredible. Considering it's "brand new" it's not a great arena.
Give it up for the Wingspan Bros  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/15/2017 7:57 am : link
Frank and Bake are doing great work defensively.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 7:59 am : link
can accept what Baker brings but I'm sorry I just can't get behind #teamLanceThomas. He's an absolute zero on offense and he's not Tony Allen on D despite all of the props to the contrary. I mean good for him being a high quality dude and working his way into being an NBA player but he's pretty horrible.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 8:01 am : link
really like Dougie but it's amazing how few assists he puts up (and that's for his career too) last 88 minutes (3 games, 0 assists) hard to pull off
Dan, I understand your feelings on Thomas  
Chris684 : 12/15/2017 8:32 am : link
but it's important to point out his teammates would disagree with you.

He is considered a leader and a defensive leader. I understand his warts all over the place but he has an important role.

One of the reasons this team is playing well, even with Kanter, Hardaway and KP in and out of the lineup so far is because of the effort up and down the lineup from the bottom guys up.

The last few years, our "best" guy Melo didnt give a shit.

This year we have guys like Baker and Thomas who lack talent but give you everything they have. That says alot about a TEAM.
Thomas must be the best practice player and lockerroom guy  
Keith : 12/15/2017 8:41 am : link
on the team, its the only way I can justify his role on this team. He's very solid defensively and gives max effort, but he's just not that good. Offensively, I think he thinks he's better than he is. He should never shoot unless its a wide open spot up 3, a drive to the basket or there is 1 second on the shot clock.
RE: Dan, I understand your feelings on Thomas  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 9:10 am : link
In comment 13741378 Chris684 said:
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but it's important to point out his teammates would disagree with you.

He is considered a leader and a defensive leader. I understand his warts all over the place but he has an important role.

One of the reasons this team is playing well, even with Kanter, Hardaway and KP in and out of the lineup so far is because of the effort up and down the lineup from the bottom guys up.

The last few years, our "best" guy Melo didnt give a shit.

This year we have guys like Baker and Thomas who lack talent but give you everything they have. That says alot about a TEAM.


He's well respected in the locker room and he keeps players accountable but the fact of the matter is when the next enter the "next phase" ie aspirations of being one of those 3-4 seed types he's not a good enough player to see much burn. People like to point to "the numbers don't tell the story" but the truth is... they do. He's a zero offense, solid defense 3. Take a look at a guy like Mbah a Moute, similar "profile" career .77 WS/48, Lance Thomas this year .41. Tony Allen aka the original "3 and D" king .103, and .111 for the first 11 years of his career.
People  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 9:11 am : link
upset they dropped Kuzminskas... still hasn't found a team
I don't care how great he may be in the clubhouse  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:13 am : link
Lance Thomas is an awful NBA player. He doesn't belong on the court.


Dan - KP is still really young and probably still getting used to being a big celebrity. I don't think it's too surprising that he's trying to pick up chicks through social media.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 9:14 am : link
know people are going to go nuts over this but I have to agree... his durability is an issue until proven otherwise

"There has to be concern over Porzingis’ long-term durability. He missed 10 games as a rookie and 16 games last season with injuries that affected his shoulder, Achilles, ankle, thigh, lower leg and back. This season, there were two nights off in back-to-back scenarios in which elbow bursitis also played a part. And there were two games missed with a sore ankle.

Despite all the summer work, Porzingis is not exactly Charles Oakley in terms of durability. Oakley once griped uncontrollably when he was informed he could not play with a cast on his broken hand. Porzingis also feels the frustration of the nagging dings and dents."
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RE: I don't care how great he may be in the clubhouse  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13741444 Greg from LI said:
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Lance Thomas is an awful NBA player. He doesn't belong on the court.


Dan - KP is still really young and probably still getting used to being a big celebrity. I don't think it's too surprising that he's trying to pick up chicks through social media.


I truly don't care either way. It's just funny this is at minimum the third time he's been outed "trying to pick up instagram models". I just find it funny he's the one always being named.
Maybe everyone in Latvia does it!  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:16 am : link
hahaha
Lebron tied Bird on the all time triple double list  
GiantFilthy : 12/15/2017 9:17 am : link
last night. Cyborg.
Kind  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 9:19 am : link
of off topic but anyone do any significant reading into Jordan's gambling stuff/forced to retire due to it? Any thoughts on it? I was listening to a podcast from Andrew Jenks and I have to say there was some really strange stuff surrounding Jordan at the time.
RE: I don't care how great he may be in the clubhouse  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/15/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13741444 Greg from LI said:
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Lance Thomas is an awful NBA player. He doesn't belong on the court.


He still has a place on this team. Sessions now? Meh. He's gone the minute we call up Trey Burke (Michigan Man).

Tuesday line, 32 points (9/18, 3/5 from 3), 11/11 FT, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals.
Hicks  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 9:23 am : link
has played well, 18 and 9, 2 blocks on 63%
Well, that was the strong rumor at the time  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:23 am : link
Just because it was so bizarre that the greatest NBA player of all time would just up and decide to play AA baseball. Yes, his father's murder undoubtedly affected him, but if that were the motivating factor why not just sit out a year? Why try to play minor league baseball as a 30/31 year old? His gambling WAS substantial, and it's definitely believable that he could have ending up owing big money to some very unsavory people. And I could definitely believe Stern coming up with something like a stealth suspension - juices competition in the league by handicapping the Bulls, avoids the PR hit that would come from a yearlong suspension to the league's biggest star.

There's no actual evidence to support any of this, of course, but it always made sense to me.
Trey Burke isn't an NBA player either  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:24 am : link
Jimmer Fredette lit up the D League, too. Means nothing.
mark me down as another person  
GentleGiant : 12/15/2017 9:27 am : link
baffled by the amount of playing time and crunch-time minutes Thomas gets. I too have heard about his legendary lockerroom and practice performances. Maybe this guy should become a coach or write a book but he has no business gathering so many floor minutes on this squad. The last couple of years he was an actual improvement on defense when he was brought in because the Knicks never played defense, but he doesn't offer any upgrade this year and is being outclassed and outhustled by other players. Thomas needs to be more in the Rodman mold to be effective but I cannot remember a time this year where he dove into the crowd or under an opponent for a loose ball or steal. Too bad because Frank could really use a mentor to ratchet up his already superior defensive skills.
Nigel Hayes has been good for the WKnicks too.  
Heisenberg : 12/15/2017 9:28 am : link
if he can learn to shoot, he's an NBA player, IMO.
Robert Covington  
Pep22 : 12/15/2017 9:29 am : link
lit up the D League too.

May mean something but to take one example and project it for all other players (success or failure) is not smart.
RE: Well, that was the strong rumor at the time  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13741469 Greg from LI said:
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Just because it was so bizarre that the greatest NBA player of all time would just up and decide to play AA baseball. Yes, his father's murder undoubtedly affected him, but if that were the motivating factor why not just sit out a year? Why try to play minor league baseball as a 30/31 year old? His gambling WAS substantial, and it's definitely believable that he could have ending up owing big money to some very unsavory people. And I could definitely believe Stern coming up with something like a stealth suspension - juices competition in the league by handicapping the Bulls, avoids the PR hit that would come from a yearlong suspension to the league's biggest star.

There's no actual evidence to support any of this, of course, but it always made sense to me.


Jordan owed some shady character 1 million from gambling and another guy (who was found dead and was a known drug mule had checks from jordan in his briefcase)
RE: Trey Burke isn't an NBA player either  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/15/2017 9:32 am : link
In comment 13741471 Greg from LI said:
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Jimmer Fredette lit up the D League, too. Means nothing.


Jimmer is a shooter, nothing else. And I'm sure you said the same thing about Tim Hardaway JR.
Who still sucks  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:35 am : link
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RE: People  
TyreeHelmet : 12/15/2017 9:35 am : link
In comment 13741441 DanMetroMan said:
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upset they dropped Kuzminskas... still hasn't found a team


Clearly not an NBA level player. I would crack up when fans touted "Kuz" as this young building block last year when in reality he's a 28 year old player that doesn't belong in the league.

Phil Jackson also treated this guy like the second coming. Does anyone miss Phil Jackson and his bullshit? He'll always deserve credit for the KP pick, but he did not make 1 other positive move for the Knicks.
RE: Who still sucks  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/15/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13741500 Greg from LI said:
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Let the hate flow through you.
Comparing Burke to Covington is silly, anyway  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 9:39 am : link
Covington was underrated because he played for a small school. Physically, he belongs. Burke was hyped because he played for a big school, but he manages to be both undersized yet not particularly athletic. Physically, he's overmatched in the NBA.
Good video breakdown of Ron and Frank  
Heisenberg : 12/15/2017 9:42 am : link
in last night's game.
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Baker has some real potential to be a rotational guy.  
Keith : 12/15/2017 9:51 am : link
He's still a very young player. Thomas certainly has a role on a team, but he'd be better suited as an 8th, 9th or 10th guy in the rotation.
Off topic  
TyreeHelmet : 12/15/2017 9:53 am : link
but Frank Mason has been playing really well. Kings got a nice steal for the 34th overall pick.

You have to hope the Bulls 2nd rounder the Knicks have falls in the top 35. You can get a nice player there.
RE: I was at the game.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13741340 Jon in NYC said:
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Holy shit Barclays is awful. No room to maneuver, everyone is right on top of each other, the black backdrop makes you feel like you're in a big garage that wasn't pained.

agree. For all the hype, Barclays is pretty terrible.
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Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13741347 DanMetroMan said:
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can accept what Baker brings but I'm sorry I just can't get behind #teamLanceThomas. He's an absolute zero on offense and he's not Tony Allen on D despite all of the props to the contrary. I mean good for him being a high quality dude and working his way into being an NBA player but he's pretty horrible.

last night was another patented "one rebound" game for Lance. I get it that he's a talker on defense and hustles...but I've never heard of an energy player that size who just flat out gives you nothing on the boards.

Here's another fun stat. Guess how many blocked shots he has this season. Fucking ZERO.
RE: Baker has some real potential to be a rotational guy.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13741522 Keith said:
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He's still a very young player.

No he's not. He might be the oldest second year player in the league (besides guys who played pro overseas).
Brogs has Baker beat by 4 months  
Greg from LI : 12/15/2017 10:04 am : link
He's also a much better player.
Very good win..  
Sean : 12/15/2017 10:10 am : link
But KP gets hurt too much. It’s concerning.
I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
Ira : 12/15/2017 10:12 am : link
No one's complaining about them now.
RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13741560 Ira said:
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No one's complaining about them now.


Oh c'mon. You'd prefer those 2 over better players/player at the same rate? The two of them are making 10 million this season, I sure as hell could find a better way to spend that (and next season that goes up to 11). If I gave you 21 million to spend over the next 2 seasons there is a 0% chance this is how you would choose to spend it.
PJ  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:22 am : link
Tucker another guy people want to pretend Lance Thomas is "like" career .88 WS/48 just for comparisons sake.
KP's health is a bigger problem  
Chris684 : 12/15/2017 10:23 am : link
than Lance Thomas or Baker right now.

He can't make it 2 weeks without an injury scare.

And when isnt banged up he's getting pushed around and pushed to the floor which exposes him to injury all over again.

Injury/Physicality is a big problem for him.
RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13741560 Ira said:
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No one's complaining about them now.

yeah, those deals still suck. The Baker contract was, is, and will remain dumb on multiple levels. The Lance deal was dumb as well, but he had at least shown some semblance of being a back of the rotation guy by the end of 2015 when he got that deal. If he had maintained that level of play the deal wouldn't look as bad. They should have just kept Galloway - who was better and signed for less money. Another stellar decision from Phil/Mills.
Frank played more minutes than JJ  
Ira : 12/15/2017 10:24 am : link
the last two games and the same number of minutes the game before those two. I love the way Hornacek is bringing him along and the way he runs the offense. He seems to have cut down on those silly turnovers that he used to commit.
Ginobili  
DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:26 am : link
finally looks shot. Quite a career.

Everyone had Alridge put out to pasture and suddenly he's back to being a star at 32. Maybe Melo can dream big lol. In all honesty Melo should consider joining Popp (they liked each other during the Olympics) might be the best spot to have a late career surge.
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GentleGiant : 12/15/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13741351 DanMetroMan said:
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really like Dougie but it's amazing how few assists he puts up (and that's for his career too) last 88 minutes (3 games, 0 assists) hard to pull off


He's finisher. Funny when we got him he was advertised as a 3 point shooter but he's so much more effective and a cutter. He's got great hands around the basket and if giving an inch of space can put the ball in the hole.
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DanMetroMan : 12/15/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13741591 GentleGiant said:
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In comment 13741351 DanMetroMan said:


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really like Dougie but it's amazing how few assists he puts up (and that's for his career too) last 88 minutes (3 games, 0 assists) hard to pull off



He's finisher. Funny when we got him he was advertised as a 3 point shooter but he's so much more effective and a cutter. He's got great hands around the basket and if giving an inch of space can put the ball in the hole.


I really think he is the perfect example of a guy who was miscast. The Bulls (#1 are a disaster of a franchise) but #2 wanted to use him as a primary scorer and that's not really his game, he's not great at shot creation and then he went to OKC and they wanted him to be Kyle Korver. Kid moves really well without the ball, has really soft hands around the basket AND can shoot. I don't want to overrate him but he's very solid.
RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
TyreeHelmet : 12/15/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13741560 Ira said:
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No one's complaining about them now.


Any rational reasonable fan is. And I'm a bigger Lance fan than most. But those 2 guys are bad contracts- no getting around it.

And its not about those guys getting paid- good for them. It's an opportunity cost for other players. Jonathan Simmons got 3 years 18 million and the last year isn't even guaranteed. Would you take him or Lance/Baker?

Baker does some things that help but he's a fringe nba player/ mininum salary guy.
RE: RE: I was among those criticizing the contracts for Baker and Lance.  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13741605 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13741560 Ira said:


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No one's complaining about them now.



Any rational reasonable fan is. And I'm a bigger Lance fan than most. But those 2 guys are bad contracts- no getting around it.

And its not about those guys getting paid- good for them. It's an opportunity cost for other players. Jonathan Simmons got 3 years 18 million and the last year isn't even guaranteed. Would you take him or Lance/Baker?

Baker does some things that help but he's a fringe nba player/ mininum salary guy.

I can't think of another drafted guy getting a 1+1 after his first year for that much guaranteed money. And because it's a 1+1 he basically has a no-trade for this season. All for an old rookie who shot 37% last year and 27% from three. It's just so bizarre.
meant to say  
Enzo : 12/15/2017 10:47 am : link
"undrafted".
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