NFT: Yanks talk 12-15 Yanks -Pirates talking Cole

I wouldn't give up Frazier for Cole. He simply isn't all that good.

Frazier is hype.

Montgomery was 9-7 w/3.88 ERA last year & currently is the only lefty on the starting staff I think a 6 man rotation is more likely if they make & trade & resign CC

In comment 13741412 DCOrange said:

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Frazier is hype.

And how exactly do you know this?

But he has value at the moment. He's still a top 50 prospect. Cole has pitched five seasons in MLB now, and with the exception of 2015 has been barely more than mediocre. You think a guy with a 4.26 ERA in the NL is going to come into the AL East and thrive?

But I'm more interested in utilizing Frazier to acquire Fulmer. Cole, beyond the messy history with the Yankees, really does seem to be trending downwards.

Try to make it work for Fulmer, or maybe another pitcher with similar team control that we're not thinking of. And if not, send Frazier to AAA and find a deal around the trade deadline.

Severino/Tanaka/Gray/Montgomery is still a pretty good group to go into the season with.

In comment 13741409 Greg from LI said:

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I wouldn't give up Frazier for Cole. He simply isn't all that good.

+1

Frazier in a package for Fulmer works for me. In a package for Cole, nah.

Frazier plus any of Adams, Florial, Sheffield, Abreu for Cole? no fucking way.

That guy screams mental midget who will fold under the lights in NY.

In comment 13741443 mfsd said:

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Frazier plus any of Adams, Florial, Sheffield, Abreu for Cole? no fucking way.

A few months back, Cashman indicated that Florial and Sheffield were on the list of 5 prospects that are near untouchable. I don't see either going for Cole.

I'm a bit leery of him given that he's just had the one big year last year, but he would be an interesting target too.

In comment 13741449 YAJ2112 said:

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That guy screams mental midget who will fold under the lights in NY.

Agree. And I also wonder if there is a little bit of "one that got away" going on here.

Team keep Red, and give Adams his chance in the starting rotation (no pun intended). By all accounts Adams has shown to be a guy that knows how to pitch, and Red brings a lot of energy to the game and may prove to be a star. I would rather trade Gardner or Hicks, and then place Red in the outfield rotation.

to keep Frazier on the MLB roster. You only have one legit CF on the team if you do that.

I wonder if the Yankees could foist Ellsbury on them with a couple of prospects and get Greinke. Big contract and he ain't young, but he could be a big boost to the rotation.

and Hicks is a great defensive OF, but has only shown a hot bat for one half season out of his entire career. Red played CF in the past, and could do it in a rotation until Floral is ready

Frazier could fake CF in a handful of games as the backup to an established everyday starter, but if the CF is an aging Brett Gardner or a not-yet-proven (and somewhat injury prone) Aaron Hicks, you're taking a big risk.

Cashman all but stole Stanton. I'm sure he's inquiring about most of the SPs out there. When a team like the Tigers asks for the moon Cash just walks away. If the Tigers are reasonable he'll make the deal but certain prospects are off the table (Torres, Florial, etc.)

I have no problem trading Frazier. We are stacked in the OF.

I don’t see why the Yankees should bail on Clint Frazier for the first semi-decent pitcher that is available.

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So I was surprised to see that he hasn't been anything special in a few years either.

In comment 13741514 Greg from LI said:

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Frazier could fake CF in a handful of games as the backup to an established everyday starter, but if the CF is an aging Brett Gardner or a not-yet-proven (and somewhat injury prone) Aaron Hicks, you're taking a big risk.

Hicks with the stronger arm is the CF right now. But Gardner is still the best CF on this team, period. He just makes all plays. Hicks can supercede him with an injury free solid year.

Frazier at 22 yrs old looks a bit stiff in the OF. He has speed and a good arm, but I watch him play and his angles aren't that good and he seems a bit slow reacting. He should be more competent or polished at his age than he appears to be. I think he can become very good because of the arm and speed.

In comment 13741514 Greg from LI said:

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Frazier could fake CF in a handful of games as the backup to an established everyday starter.

I don't want someone faking it, I want someone who belongs out there!

prospect. The Yankees need ptichers more than outfielders. You almost always lose a starter to injury these days.

In comment 13741499 Greg from LI said:

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I wonder if the Yankees could foist Ellsbury on them with a couple of prospects and get Greinke. Big contract and he ain't young, but he could be a big boost to the rotation.

I would have some concerns about his ability to handle NY. I think you can say that, to some degree, about almost any player who hasn't proven that they can stand up to the bright lights of NY, but I seem to remember Greinke having expressed some reservations himself when he was back in KC.

another lower in the system prospect for de Grom would help both teams.

least 1/2 of Ellsbury's deal. Greinke has anxiety issues, or did with KC. NY is no place for him.

Love the idea if he WANTS to be here. Which I doubt based on past reports.

And only if Ellsbury is going the other way. Which requires him waiving.

So overall, seems like a total longshot.

Saves Arizona about $50M through 2021, so would like to think the prospects that would need to be attached wouldn’t be top flight.

That stuff was so overblown

In comment 13741499 Greg from LI said:

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I wonder if the Yankees could foist Ellsbury on them with a couple of prospects and get Greinke. Big contract and he ain't young, but he could be a big boost to the rotation.

The Phillies apparently want Grienke- and would reportedly be willing to take on the whole contract- mainly because they have about $20M in guaranteed contracts on the books- total.

I wonder whether the Yanks MIGHT try to set up a 3 way deal with the DBacks, Phillies and themselves. It would probably look something like this:

Dbacks send Grienke to the Phillies.

Yanks send Ellsbury, Betances, Cessa, and a mid-level prospect or two to the DBacks.

Yanks send some lesser guys to the Phillies, like Blash, Cave or .

Dbacks send Corbin, Drury and Jared Miller to the Yanks

Phillies send Alfaro, Cozens and Nola to Dbacks.

It is an interesting thought.

Believe that he is at least two years removed from Tommie John surgery. Believe he will reject rays offer and become a free agent. Guy is a ground out pitcher. He is a mature pitcher who knows how to manage his stuff. His splitter was always his best pitch but hardly used it last season maybe due to concerns about how it would affect his recovery. I think this guy is going to become an even better pitcher.

In comment 13741574 Greg from LI said:

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That stuff was so overblown

LA is close to NY in terms of population and distractions, but not in terms of sports media or fans. And like I said, Greinke himself said he'd be nervous about NY - and very specifically NY (not just any big market). Granted, it was back in 2009, but it was his own words:

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“[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”

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Why on earth would he want to go to the sorryass Phillies?

nasty as NY, BOS or PHI.

Unlesss of course you're a SF Giants fan wearing a Giants shirt at the game hat is. ;-)

Learey of a NL pitcher vying to the AL. The ERA is only going to go up.

and certainly not for Cole. I think Cole would be a Javier Vasquez type disaster. Yanks don't need a JAG starter. If Frazier has to go it has to be a top of the rotation guy.

to sign with them after he was drafted...

going back to the Jeff Weaver deal. They should just re-sign CC and let the next Jordan Montgomery emerge in ST.

But, I don't want them to re-sign CC. I really love him and everything he has given them. I loved his bounce-back season. But, I just feel like we are squeezing the last bits of usefulness out of him and I'd rather let him go a year early rather than a year too late.

once it hits the media like this it's usually not going to happen. I like Frazier I hope they keep him but I understand they need pitching help to get where they want to go. Hopefully there's one or maybe two more Severino's in AAA or AA this year.

In comment 13741735 Phil in LA said:

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going back to the Jeff Weaver deal. They should just re-sign CC and let the next Jordan Montgomery emerge in ST.

I agree. Consider the way CC was dealing in the playoffs I feel like he's got one more in him.

In comment 13741735 Phil in LA said:

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going back to the Jeff Weaver deal. They should just re-sign CC and let the next Jordan Montgomery emerge in ST.

As much as I said I wouldn't re-sign him, I could go along with this, especially the second part. They have a number of prospects who were not quite ready last year, but one or two could emerge as the surprise guys this year, in the Montgomery fashion.

Cashman could be "loosening up" some other GM who is playing hardball on the true preferred target.

His numbers don't exactly inspire confidence especially since he would be moving to the AL. To me he is a middle of the rotation guy that you hope will give you 200 innings. He was 12-12 with a 4.26 last year. 2015 was a good year for him, but the numbers are trending down. I would think that Clint Frazier and a couple of other prospects could bring back a better return. I admit that I haven't really watched much of Cole. Is there something I'm missing? Does he have good stuff but bad luck? I kinda hope Cashman is using interest in Cole to loosen up another deal he has working.

Resign him two years team option for buy out on second season, he comes back plus he will get something even if they walk away from him next year. Look all those other pitchers come with much more questions and hype but little proven important games played. As for the fifth or six starter I don’t think you’re going to see a real constant six man rotation more small injury or schedule change.

We have some young arms that could start 15-20 games if needed plus they get to experience the big show. Between the guys on the roster and the farm guys it’s a great way to introduce them to the big leagues and very cost free. We all hear that we have one of the best farms in baseball now is the time to prove, test and develop the farm system. It’s a long season many things can and will happen give the young guys a chance to show what they can do on the mound and in the field. With the lineup they should send out from 1-6 your only asking for quality at bats and solid defense in the field from positions 7-9.

This was a team on the rebuild it’s now a favorite to win it all but they need to stay the course also let your young kids continue to grow. We have arms, we have infielders and we have outfielders give them a chance to prove their worth.

Has he earned it? Sure has.

Can he still pitch? Yeah he's a really great 5th starter or a 4th starter. Totally reinvented his game and he's really fun to watch.

However, his knee can go at any second. I see his knee as Amare Stoudemires knee couple months after signing with the Knicks.

That knee can't be trusted for 1 year, let alone 2. Plus he gets angry when teams bunt on him.

I say pass.

At worst a club option for a second year with no buyout.

is I'm not sold either way on him. His scouting report and minor league numbers indicate a good player. But, we didn't see enough of him last year to say he will live up to that, nor was his limited and inconsistent playing time when he was up enough for me to take his less than mediocre play at face value either. I do, however, think if he is included, his stock should still yield a better pitcher.

With Phil, I don't want to add anything else but CC, let's give our kids a shot, we have McKinney for backup first and outfield, we have Wade, Estrada, Torres, Andujar and Torreyes to battle for the second base and third base spot, if they have to struggle a bit big fucking deal, the Yankees are going to blow this if they think like the old days that you need veterans, baseball is trending younger all over the place, Yanks may be overthinking this too much.

I do have faith in Cashman, and I am okay with Stanton, but we still have to see how it plays out. The only other thing I would love to see is moving Ellsbury out of here, if they had to add in another mid level prospect and eat 35 mil of the contract, do it.

Drury is a guy that would not upset me if they bring him in, but I still want to see Andujar and Torres starting at third and second at some point this season for certain. If they add Drury and put him at third and Torreyes at second to start the season that would not be a bad way to go, just don't trade Frazier for him unless you are unloading Ellsbury and they are taking at least 30 mil of his contract.