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One win could prove to be be costly

UberAlias : 12/15/2017 12:59 pm
San Fran is still in the mix with 3 wins, but looking much stronger. But with Osweiler coming off the bench and getting the win last night, he may have ruined the Colts best chance at a 4th 'W'.

I realize there are several QBs see as legit 1st rounder's, but the consensus seems to be that Rosen and Darnold are the strongest prospects, assuming both come out. And if, for whatever reason, the Giants preferred one of the other guys, #2 will undoubtedly be a highly coveted spot for possible deal down, get extra picks and still get your guy kind of situation.

Obviously sitting at 2 wins, NYG is well positioned draft-wise now, but a win over Arizona or Washington and the Giants are likely to find themselves on the outside looking in on the top QB prospects.

This is not the time for heroics. Ugly win over bad team isn't going to erase the stink of 2017, or build any encouragement. I almost never root for losses, but when you are talking about your franchise QB, a guy you hope to be the face of the franchise for next 10+ years, this is not the time for moral victories on Sundays.

I realize all of this is pretty obvious. But we should be rooting like hell for them to lose out. The team has far too much at stake in securing the next generation in this draft.

I sure as hell hope ownership is planning turning their back on 2017 after Philly game. I don't mean tank it overtly, but at least call of the war cries for meaningless moral 'W's and shift focus on future and evaluating young guys. As ugly as this year has been, the right guy on draft day can be franchise altering. I realize I'm being completely selfish here with recent SB wins, but with the string of poor seasons since 2011 and the horror show we've been through this year, it feels a bit like we deserve this one.

Get your head out of your ass on this one Mara and do the right thing for a change.


We can hope  
XBRONX : 12/15/2017 1:07 pm : link
Eli sucks the rest of season
Its all about Arizona...  
kinard : 12/15/2017 1:08 pm : link
Eagles should beat Giants on Sunday and the Giants will probably beat a dead Redskins team on New Years Eve at home.

Swing game is in Arizona on Xmas Eve. That could the difference between picking 3rd or picking around 6th (maybe 7th).

My guess is that the Giants end up with either 3 or 4 wins...
we have a QB  
Rocky369 : 12/15/2017 1:16 pm : link
with one of the worst active starting streaks in the league. Webb hasn't missed a game yet.
Webb should be playing these last three games  
giant24 : 12/15/2017 1:16 pm : link
get some tape on him and have a more educated opinion going into the draft.
Josh Allen  
NYG007 : 12/15/2017 1:17 pm : link
but he wont make it past Denver, so we can't drop below them. I prefer him, Mayfield or Rosen. I am 100% out on Darnold, another turnover machine, no thank you.
I wouldn't worry too much  
ij_reilly : 12/15/2017 1:18 pm : link
about the Giants getting any Ws.
I'm not worried about this  
ZogZerg : 12/15/2017 1:33 pm : link
happening.
Doubtful.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/15/2017 1:35 pm : link
.
Everyone assumes a top two picks nets the Giants a franchise QB.  
jsuds : 12/15/2017 1:37 pm : link
There are no guarantees.
I won't root for losses  
dancing blue bear : 12/15/2017 1:50 pm : link
with Eli at the helm. It doesn't sting so much this year as I have, to a degree, checked out emotionally this season.

The thing that seems to get lost. A top 2 pick -or any pick- spent on a QB- does NOT automatically equate to a franchise QB for the next 10+ years. It reads as a given here that these guys will be good.

That is not nec. the case.

Missing the pick on a top 5 pick spent on a QB is THE MOST detrimental thing that can happen to a franchise. You are crippled for 4 years minimum.

People may not remember but when Simms was ushered out the door (FOr dave brown / kent Grahm) The giants were in the wilderness for a decade.
We draft where we draft  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/15/2017 2:17 pm : link
We pick who we pick. There are no "sure-fire" HRs in this draft.
Don't worry  
averagejoe : 12/15/2017 2:25 pm : link
Next Giant win will probably be in October 2018.
The week 17 game scares the crap out of me  
The_Boss : 12/15/2017 2:49 pm : link
Because they’re toast and I think we win. We could lose all tiebreakers with SF and Indy at 3-13 and fall from 2 to 4. We’d then likely miss out on Darnold, Rosen, AND Barkley.
Relax.....  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/15/2017 2:52 pm : link
we are going to lose and lose all
People way overlooking Washington here  
UberAlias : 12/15/2017 2:52 pm : link
They are absolutely dreadful. Looking every bit as bad as NYG, who were still in games late with Oak and Dallas.

Top 2 QBs stand out as prospects. But even if you like one of the other QBs, the #2 spot is still MUCH more valuable. Having your pick of players, plus option to deal down for additional picks, which we could REALLY use, is far better situation.
RE: The week 17 game scares the crap out of me  
ray in arlington : 12/15/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13742038 The_Boss said:
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Because they’re toast and I think we win. We could lose all tiebreakers with SF and Indy at 3-13 and fall from 2 to 4. We’d then likely miss out on Darnold, Rosen, AND Barkley.


The IND tiebreak will probably be a lost cause by week 17.
SF tiebreak will probably still be up for grabs on week 17. Maybe SF picks up a 4th win this weekend vs TEN.


Winning hurts a trade down  
WillVAB : 12/15/2017 3:34 pm : link
More than anything. After pick 2 there’s really no incentive to trade up until you get to Denver’s pick.
I  
AcidTest : 12/15/2017 3:57 pm : link
don't think the Giants will win any more games.

We finish #2. Darnold stays in school. The Browns take Rosen. Then what?
I was really rooting for the Colts last night  
arniefez : 12/15/2017 3:57 pm : link
It's going to be hard to lose to Washington.
RE: I was really rooting for the Colts last night  
JohnnyFlowers : 12/15/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13742159 arniefez said:
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It's going to be hard to lose to Washington.



Hard to lose to Washington? We can't score more than 10 points in a game if we are lucky, especially with players dropping out with any kind of injury. Same goes for our D. JPP will probably have 7 sacks against the skins just piss us all off!
It would not break my heart if the Giants were forced to take the best  
wgenesis123 : 12/15/2017 4:20 pm : link
offensive or defensive lineman at 3. Would not mind if they have to trade down and gather more picks. Getting a franchise QB is best case scenario for the Giants, however in this season of hopes dashed a big bust at QB in the draft would not be a surprise.
The Giants realistically never had a chance of winning of their  
SterlingArcher : 12/15/2017 4:24 pm : link
last few games, now with more and more starters going on IR this team looks more like a pre-season game with a bunch of no names playing. I think the Giants have seen their last win for this year. The door will be open for the Giants to trade down, pick up a few high draft picks and pick at least 2 top tier olinemen, 1 top tier safety, and 2 top tier LB's! I prefer they drat 4 olinemen but they need help in so many other positions.
True  
old man : 12/15/2017 4:36 pm : link
Denver won last night and dropped 4 spots....5Ws and drafting 9 or 10.
Must root for a Indy..Chi...SF win.
Skins really are our only W worry...though it'd be nice to get a W on NYE in front of the home crowd.
The Giants have 2 wins  
joeinpa : 12/15/2017 4:46 pm : link
they are in the second spot. Colts have just as good a chance to win another game as Giants do.

Besides even if they finish in the top 5, they have a chance to get any quarterback they want if they are willing to pay the price to move up.

I've been rooting for losses since the SF loss. Every fan is different. But I remember how big an addition L.T. was and Eli.

Back then a few more wins to placating temporarily those who want the victory in the short term, would have seen those players in another uniform.

Why do people think this decimated team can beat anyone, especially Arizona on the road.
I am pretty confident that we will lose all 3 games  
Jimmy Googs : 12/15/2017 4:47 pm : link
whether Eli is playing or not.

Saying he provides us the best to chance to win is like increasing that chance from 5% to 7%...
This  
AcidTest : 12/15/2017 4:47 pm : link
team moves in micrometers. Ten yards is a long play. It takes 10 plays just to get into FG range. The moon is closer than the end zone for the Giants. It isn't hard to lose to anyone. In fact, it's quite easy.
win?  
jurban : 12/15/2017 4:58 pm : link
how we going to win a game scoring only 10 points or less????
.  
arcarsenal : 12/15/2017 5:03 pm : link
Still don't understand why anyone expects this team to win another game. They can't score, everyone is hitting IR.. it's an awful team.

It really doesn't matter who plays QB. We have no chance against the Eagles and I don't have much concern about us winning either of the last two games.
What did John McKay former coach of TB  
NikkiMac : 12/15/2017 5:48 pm : link
Say ..... Can’t stop the run can’t stop the pass other than that we’re good team ..... hahaha same applies here Giant won’t win another game this year.
With half our team  
Bill in UT : 12/15/2017 6:28 pm : link
on IR, I like our odds
we control our own destiny!  
markky : 12/15/2017 6:29 pm : link
come on, we can't even score 14 points and we're losing starters to IR weekly.
If the eagles were being replaced by a local high school team  
thrunthrublue : 12/15/2017 7:35 pm : link
I would still be taking the points. Giants have no linebackers, no offensive line, no receivers.....and no intelligence with they offensive and defensive game planning, turnstyle offensive line, and zero pass rush......nick foles can be in the pocket, reading the receivers, and texting, taking selfies.....jpp and 54 are jokes. best hope for the giants is the browns somehow getting on a win streak.
I can't take this topic anymore  
djm : 12/15/2017 7:51 pm : link
Teams don't try to lose, especially in the NFL. You can't try to lose and even if a team did try and lose or if they didn't you can't give your favorite team shit for winning a football game.

Just stop with this crap already. If the Giants win a game fucking deal with it. I want them to finish with the second pick too. Don't care if they lose all three games, even to the divisional opponents, i only wanted to fuck up dallas and their playoff chances but I won't sit here on Monday and bash Mara and Eli and spags and everyone else associated with the team because they won. Stop with this nonsense.
And when you say for Mara to do the right thing,  
djm : 12/15/2017 7:54 pm : link
What do want him to do? Bench Eli or tell the HC to bench all the best players on the team?


Cmon.
This team  
Joey in VA : 12/15/2017 8:08 pm : link
Is deader than Jack Kent Cooke. We are going to be lucky to score 10 pts per game, much less hold a team to less than 30
RE: And when you say for Mara to do the right thing,  
mrvax : 12/15/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13742393 djm said:
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What do want him to do? Bench Eli or tell the HC to bench all the best players on the team?


Cmon.


Most of them are on IR or headed that way.
RE: And when you say for Mara to do the right thing,  
UberAlias : 12/15/2017 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13742393 djm said:
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What do want him to do? Bench Eli or tell the HC to bench all the best players on the team?


Cmon.
Seriously? Stated pretty freaking clearly. Do I have to pull up the text fir you?
RE: I can't take this topic anymore  
UberAlias : 12/15/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13742389 djm said:
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Teams don't try to lose, especially in the NFL. You can't try to lose and even if a team did try and lose or if they didn't you can't give your favorite team shit for winning a football game.

Just stop with this crap already. If the Giants win a game fucking deal with it. I want them to finish with the second pick too. Don't care if they lose all three games, even to the divisional opponents, i only wanted to fuck up dallas and their playoff chances but I won't sit here on Monday and bash Mara and Eli and spags and everyone else associated with the team because they won. Stop with this nonsense.
You are having trouble with reading comprehension. Go back and re read.
Did you not see what the Cowboys did Collins went out?  
KentGraham : 12/15/2017 11:41 pm : link
The entire secondary is DRC + random guys signed during the season. Our linebackers are a joke, and our expensive dline gets no pressure on the QB. This team is not winning another game...
Did after* Collins went out  
KentGraham : 12/15/2017 11:41 pm : link
.
RE: We can hope  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/16/2017 12:27 am : link
In comment 13741856 XBRONX said:
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Eli sucks the rest of season


Eli could be great and we still won’t win
RE: RE: We can hope  
B in ALB : 12/16/2017 12:54 am : link
In comment 13742521 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13741856 XBRONX said:


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Eli sucks the rest of season



Eli could be great and we still won’t win


We?

Didn't know you were on the team, funguy.

What's up with the Apple/Collins beef? Insider.
RE: This  
aimrocky : 12/16/2017 7:41 am : link
In comment 13742241 AcidTest said:
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team moves in micrometers. Ten yards is a long play. It takes 10 plays just to get into FG range. The moon is closer than the end zone for the Giants. It isn't hard to lose to anyone. In fact, it's quite easy.


Ha, this made me laugh.
RE: RE: We can hope  
Jimmy Googs : 12/16/2017 7:44 am : link
In comment 13742521 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13741856 XBRONX said:


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Eli sucks the rest of season



Eli could be great and we still won’t win


no he couldn't...
RE: Everyone assumes a top two picks nets the Giants a franchise QB.  
baadbill : 12/16/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13741911 jsuds said:
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There are no guarantees.


your point being... the chances are better picking 6th?
RE: What did John McKay former coach of TB  
OldGiantsFan : 12/16/2017 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13742293 NikkiMac said:
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Say ..... Can’t stop the run can’t stop the pass other than that we’re good team ..... hahaha same applies here Giant won’t win another game this year.


NikkiMac -- McKay was a funny guy. Toward the end of that winless season, McVay was asked what he thought of the execution of his offense. Deadpan, McKay said, "I'm in favor of it."
If Josh Allen is there, the Giants need to grab him  
GeofromNJ : 12/16/2017 3:51 pm : link
Then let Allen, whom many compare to Roethlisberger, fight it out with Webb. If Allen is not there, I would pass on a QB in round one and look for a game changer in another position. I'm not wild about either Rosen or Darnold and while Mayfield is bigger than Manziel and has a stronger and more accurate arm, I'm not convinced his running game can translate to the NFL. Manziel outran his college opposition and looked fast on college tape, but had trouble escaping from NFL linemen, much less NFL linebackers.
RE: RE: What did John McKay former coach of TB  
NikkiMac : 12/20/2017 5:43 am : link
In comment 13742814 OldGiantsFan said:
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In comment 13742293 NikkiMac said:


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Say ..... Can’t stop the run can’t stop the pass other than that we’re good team ..... hahaha same applies here Giant won’t win another game this year.



NikkiMac -- McKay was a funny guy. Toward the end of that winless season, McVay was asked what he thought of the execution of his offense. Deadpan, McKay said, "I'm in favor of it."


Hahahaha
Yea man those old NFL FILMS of him are great of him with his quotes
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