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The XFL .... is coming back?

Ben in Tampa : 12/16/2017 9:37 am
The XFL was in many ways ahead of its time. It was also terrible and carny.

That being said, a reboot may be announced on January 25 by Vince McMahon and his new venture “Alpha Entertainment.”


Is the XFL coming back? - ( New Window )
Watch them implement  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2017 9:45 am : link
Electronic solutions for possession and etc and have paid referees and make Roger godells NFL look like the amateurs that they are.

And field a better product.
Idiotsavant  
Big Rick in FL : 12/16/2017 10:01 am : link
They definitely won't field a better product. Only people playing in the XFL would be mediocre college players that have no shot at the NFL or washed up former NFL players.
If  
DanMetroMan : 12/16/2017 10:05 am : link
true I think it’s brilliant by Vince. The NBA is the most talked about league in pro sports because (in part) the personalities, rumors and off court stories. Vince is likely looking to capitalize on this.
RE: Watch them implement  
arcarsenal : 12/16/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13742605 idiotsavant said:
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Electronic solutions for possession and etc and have paid referees and make Roger godells NFL look like the amateurs that they are.

And field a better product.


You're forgetting the part where the talent pool will be extremely weak just like it was the first time.
The potential to disrupt football leagues comes at the 18-22 age range  
widmerseyebrow : 12/16/2017 10:09 am : link
Imo. Start a semi pro league for guys out of high school. Do away with the farcical NCAA regulations and pay the players something.
Not so sure.  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2017 10:15 am : link
Work the numbers. Maybe ten thousand kids play ball in school? The combine kids are probably a drop in the ocean with regards to talent. They could easily double the 300 combine attendees number to 600 or triple it.

In addition. Entertainment value is in the internal balance within an event rather than external.

For example, two great boxers at 126 lbs can be a great entertaining fight, regardless of if they could compete with middle weights.

Women's soccer or high school women's basketball can field great games.

XFL may do well with weight limits by position.
.  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2017 10:17 am : link
Ol/DL 265.

QB/ TE / LB 220.

Etc

Hasn’t turning back the clock been tried elsewhere recently??  
RDJR : 12/16/2017 10:24 am : link
Move forward. People and our games evolve. If the game dies in the name of safety and progress, so be it.
Fuck it, I'll watch  
smshmth8690 : 12/16/2017 11:52 am : link
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He should join with the nfl  
eli4life : 12/16/2017 12:32 pm : link
And make it a developmental type league
RE: Watch them implement  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/16/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13742605 idiotsavant said:
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Electronic solutions for possession and etc and have paid referees and make Roger godells NFL look like the amateurs that they are.

And field a better product.


Really? You think McMahon's purpose is to field a good football product? He is looking to make a silly sideshow that caters to the braindead, trailer park, Kid Rock crowd...wrestling fans essentially.

Didn't we learn this lesson the first time?
Wait. Are you saying that people in trailer parks  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2017 12:44 pm : link
Are less intelligent than the average football fan?

Are you denigrating kids who like Kid Rock? And wear hair short on top long in back?




Haters Gonna Hate I guess.

We don't know for sure what they plan.

RE: Watch them implement  
MBavaro : 12/16/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13742605 idiotsavant said:
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Electronic solutions for possession and etc and have paid referees and make Roger godells NFL look like the amateurs that they are.


I think I would be able to put up with inferior players if I knew that I would see a game that was run without dumb game changing calls and loads of ambiguity.
What's interference and what's a catch  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2017 1:17 pm : link
Pat's vs Dolphins recently.

Calls were not consistent with regards to interference or holding wrs.

It's not high quality that way right now.

Also. What is a TD right now.
RE: What's interference and what's a catch  
RDJR : 12/16/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13742739 idiotsavant said:
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Pat's vs Dolphins recently.

Calls were not consistent with regards to interference or holding wrs.

It's not high quality that way right now.

Also. What is a TD right now.


So these things require a new league?
RE: Wait. Are you saying that people in trailer parks  
Modus Operandi : 12/16/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13742712 idiotsavant said:
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Are less intelligent than the average football fan?

Are you denigrating kids who like Kid Rock? And wear hair short on top long in back?




Haters Gonna Hate I guess.

We don't know for sure what they plan.


Yes. Yes. And Yes.
What would be ideal, in my opinion...  
JohnF : 12/16/2017 2:02 pm : link
1) The NFL takes over MNF, and leaves Thursday. Disney is probably ready to sell those rights, considering the ratings.

This is better for the players (no more three games rest), and the NFL can put on better games on Monday vs Thursday.

2) Leave Thursday for the XFL. The NFL and XFL could make some sort of arrangement, so the the XFL Thursday night games would be on the NFL Network. Teams who have

3) Make another arrangement, so that NFL can send developmental QB's (like Webb) or other players, like Offensive Linemen (Bisnowaty) to hone their skills in the new league.

Do this with other teams players not on the active roster, and you can get a decent NFL audience to watch "their" guys. The XFL gets a decent talent stream coming to it as well.

If the XFL is going against the NFL like last time, it won't work. With realistic expectations, a good time slot (Thursdays), and using lower level stadiums (like MLS stadiums, who could use another tenant), this could get interesting.
RE: What would be ideal, in my opinion...  
Modus Operandi : 12/16/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13742759 JohnF said:
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1) The NFL takes over MNF, and leaves Thursday. Disney is probably ready to sell those rights, considering the ratings.

This is better for the players (no more three games rest), and the NFL can put on better games on Monday vs Thursday.

2) Leave Thursday for the XFL. The NFL and XFL could make some sort of arrangement, so the the XFL Thursday night games would be on the NFL Network. Teams who have

3) Make another arrangement, so that NFL can send developmental QB's (like Webb) or other players, like Offensive Linemen (Bisnowaty) to hone their skills in the new league.

Do this with other teams players not on the active roster, and you can get a decent NFL audience to watch "their" guys. The XFL gets a decent talent stream coming to it as well.

If the XFL is going against the NFL like last time, it won't work. With realistic expectations, a good time slot (Thursdays), and using lower level stadiums (like MLS stadiums, who could use another tenant), this could get interesting.


The NFL isn't going to abandon a primetime slot and just hand it over to competition. No matter how wonky and ridiculous the competitions product is.
RE: Watch them implement  
djm : 12/16/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13742605 idiotsavant said:
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Electronic solutions for possession and etc and have paid referees and make Roger godells NFL look like the amateurs that they are.

And field a better product.


No. I won't watch that happen because it won't happen.
Guaranteed failure.  
Mr. Bungle : 12/16/2017 2:09 pm : link
Trying to challenge the NFL never, ever, ever works.

I hope McMahon takes a bath over this.
At least most of this Giant team will have place  
Jimmy Googs : 12/16/2017 2:30 pm : link
to go soon...
if I recall correctly, they failed because they tried to go  
SHO'NUFF : 12/16/2017 4:40 pm : link
head-to-head with the NFL between August and January. There is a big lull in the sports calendar after basketball ends. They need to schedule games right after the Super Bowl.
One thing we do know, though  
Moondawg : 12/16/2017 7:02 pm : link
It. . .will. . .suck.
Modus  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2017 7:11 pm : link
Lol. And thank you for that.


Also - Mountain Dew.


What's not to love?
NBCl lost its nerve  
HomerJones45 : 12/16/2017 7:13 pm : link
That's what happened. The XFL had games Thursday (sound familiar) and Saturday nights. The sports writers (most are NFL toadies) killed it of course and NBC, unnerved, abandoned it. If NBC had stuck it out like it did with the AFL, it would have owned a sports league and its programming for practically nothing.

And when it comes to sniffing about washed up players etc well of course. Anyone expecting them to compete with a multi billion dollar monopoly for players is bound to be disappointed. I hope they give it a try.
RE: What would be ideal, in my opinion...  
dpinzow : 12/16/2017 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13742759 JohnF said:
Quote:
1) The NFL takes over MNF, and leaves Thursday. Disney is probably ready to sell those rights, considering the ratings.

This is better for the players (no more three games rest), and the NFL can put on better games on Monday vs Thursday.

2) Leave Thursday for the XFL. The NFL and XFL could make some sort of arrangement, so the the XFL Thursday night games would be on the NFL Network. Teams who have

3) Make another arrangement, so that NFL can send developmental QB's (like Webb) or other players, like Offensive Linemen (Bisnowaty) to hone their skills in the new league.

Do this with other teams players not on the active roster, and you can get a decent NFL audience to watch "their" guys. The XFL gets a decent talent stream coming to it as well.

If the XFL is going against the NFL like last time, it won't work. With realistic expectations, a good time slot (Thursdays), and using lower level stadiums (like MLS stadiums, who could use another tenant), this could get interesting.


That would be a bit like NFL Europe (just here instead of Europe)
If  
jtfuoco : 12/17/2017 10:21 am : link
They made it a NFL developmental league with each team having a farm club with about a 44 player rosters modest contracts but without the practice restrictions so the guys could really develop play the games on Thursday nights. With a playoff that end by Christmas it could work especially if they put the teams in the right markets.
Fuoco  
idiotsavant : 12/17/2017 10:31 am : link
Good point. No need run all games on major networks. Run that one weekly game on a major.
People enjoy minor league basebsll  
idiotsavant : 12/17/2017 10:36 am : link
For the lower cost. The atmosphere. It's fun and safe for the kids .

Keeping a smaller league clean would be a good move . no on field dancers. No shenanigans. No tobacco or booze adverts or sponsorships.

Keep the food affordable.
Bring back He Hate Me  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2017 10:38 am : link
as commissioner.


They should try something really novel....  
Tesla : 12/17/2017 11:18 am : link
like eliminating punts. If you think about it for a minute getting rid of punting would make for a far more fun and exciting game. Think of the drama of needing to go for it on 4th down inside your own red zone....knowing if you fail to convert you are giving your opponent a great chance to score.
RE: He should join with the nfl  
Hades07 : 12/17/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13742703 eli4life said:
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And make it a developmental type league
someone creating a viable option to development besides the NCAA might work well if they commit to playing with NFL rules and NFL style offenses. Most of the college players stopped being students years ago. Pay them, and prepare them for an NFL career and you may start seeing top recruiting talent choose your league instead of the NFL. Then allow the players to be drafted out of your league into the NFL or be signed as FA after they reach the NFLs mandated time after leaving high school.
Getting rid of punts won't work  
JohnF : 12/17/2017 12:09 pm : link
All that would happen is that the teams would send out the FG guy and have him kick the ball downfield (hopefully with some height so the cover team can get there. I don't know if you can intentionally kick a FG out of bounds without a penalty, though (it is a penalty on a free kick).

Speaking of penalties, I was wondering about this situation in the NFL. You're on your own 45 yard line, down by two with 12 seconds left to play, no time outs. Normally, you HAVE to either go for the endzone, or the sideline, because you don't have time to complete a pass and spike the ball.

However, if you threw to a WR in the middle of the field, and he catches the ball on the opponents 25, can he throw a "lateral" out of bounds to his own team mate that's sitting on the 30 (but covered) to stop the clock (and let you setup for a FG)?

An out of bounds pass should stop the clock, but I've got to think the NFL has forbidden this situation by rule (or you'd see it).
I meant choose the new league instead of NCAA  
Hades07 : 12/17/2017 12:57 pm : link
Not instead of the NFL.
If I going to be starting a new football league...  
Sarcastic Sam : 12/17/2017 1:06 pm : link
... I would go broke. So no different from my situation now.

I think a league of semiprofessional + developmental players could work. Broadcast over the internet in 4K with a March to July. Using MLS stadiums would be nice but that would overlap with Eurasiafricamerican football season. Make sponsorship deals with the Chilis, BW3, etc. who would help promote the games on Wednesday/Thursday nights. Clock does not stop except for time outs. Simplify rules so the games don't take forever.

And players that get penalized will get an electric shock.
Coming from someone who enjoyed the XFL  
Knineteen : 12/17/2017 2:59 pm : link
any revival will be a colossal failure.

No history.
It will undoubtedly be linked to WWE.
Players will be sub-par.
The WWE/UFC model of "for the love of it" financial compensation doesn't fly in a major sports league. You can't be paying players $5K a week in-season.

The NFL has screwed up a lot this season and the overall product has regressed, but Vince McMahon can't capitalize on this.
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