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Milton : 12/17/2017 1:31 am
Okay so I was all set to go with Aaron Rodgers over Case Keenum (and Alex Smith), but on Saturday Jordan Howard and Keenan Allen shit the bed for my opponent and Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill came through bigtime for me. So now I'm thinking maybe I should play it safe/conservative and go with Keenum (whose been pretty consistent the last six games, albeit trending downward).

On the other hand, he still has QB Brees, WRs Antonio Brown and DeAndre Hopkins, RB Freeman, TE Brate, and K Zuerlein to go vs WRs Gordon and Landry, RB Bell, TE Engram, and K Lutz for me, so it may be premature for me to be going all prevent defense on him.

It's a PPR league. What say you? Stick with rusty Rodgers (on the road vs Panthers) or switch to the guy with the seemingly safer floor in Keenum (at home in a dome vs Bengals).
rodgers  
DaddyM89 : 12/17/2017 1:40 am : link
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Rodgers  
Simms2McConkey : 12/17/2017 1:57 am : link
I think he's going to shred the Panthers D IF the Packer OL can hold off the Panthers blitz (a big if).

But Rodgers is a good dodger as we all know, and I wouldn't be surprised if Adams and Nelson both have 100-yard days. The Panther back end has been springing some leaks lately...allowed big games to Thielen, Thomas, Kearse and Anderson in the last 3 weeks alone.

Also, I could see GB-CAR finishing something like 38-35 and both teams throwing all game, meaning big points for Rodgers. You beat CAR through the air, and it's the same with GB.

Meanwhile, MIN can just look at last week's tape of Jordan Howard running all over CIN without Burfict. He's out this week again. Murray and McKinnon should carry the load...Keenum isn't going to have to do much.
I'm more nervous about him getting knocked out of the game...  
Milton : 12/17/2017 1:58 am : link
...than I am with him being rusty. McCarthy could be quick with the hook if Rodgers gets roughed up a little.
I have Brady and Rodgers in a league with people on this site.  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 8:23 am : link
I want to start Brady but he hasn't looked right the last 2 weeks. He seems off. So, this is what is going to happen: I will start Rodgers and Brady wis gonna torch PIT's D. I have Hunt un that league so I am off to a good start.

In my most lucrative league I was over a 20 point underdog by the projections. I had Hunt, T. Hill, and H. Henry go last night. And not only that but he has Fournette who looks like he is not playing today.

Imo, this is the most important week of fantasy if you play for money. So, far I am off to a good start in the leagues where I am still in it.
RE: I'm more nervous about him getting knocked out of the game...  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2017 8:27 am : link
In comment 13743073 Milton said:
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...than I am with him being rusty. McCarthy could be quick with the hook if Rodgers gets roughed up a little.


I disagree. Why even play him if he gets the quick hook?
I'd start Rodgers and not second guess it  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2017 8:31 am : link
last night I had Tyreek Hill vs his Travis Kelce so I'm off to a good start.

and Robbie, Brady owns Pittsburgh throughout his career and gets Gronk back with no Shazier in Pit and possibly no Haden. I think he will be a fine start this week (top 3 or 4 QB), but I'd still start Rodgers over him.
RE: I'd start Rodgers and not second guess it  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 8:44 am : link
In comment 13743107 pjcas18 said:
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last night I had Tyreek Hill vs his Travis Kelce so I'm off to a good start.

and Robbie, Brady owns Pittsburgh throughout his career and gets Gronk back with no Shazier in Pit and possibly no Haden. I think he will be a fine start this week (top 3 or 4 QB), but I'd still start Rodgers over him.


pj, I was just reading about Brady's success over PIT. If you look at the overall rankings PIT looks really good defensively. Howver, once Shazier went down they have given up a ton of points and, like you said, Gronk is probably going to have a field day against them.

The part that worries me about Rodgers is that they may just continue to pound the ball because they have been so effective with it lately and that is with Hundley. With Rodgers you cannot just stack the box. It might allow Williams to have a huge day. I think Rodgers will make a lot of business decisions today. When bones break they grow stronger. But, it seems like once you break your collarbone you are more susceptible to breaking it again. With Rodgers' proceedure with the plate make it less likely that'll happen again? I don't know but I would bet he doesn't want to be slammed down into the ground again. I think they play it safe with him in the gameplan and just by talking tp Rodgers. I would expect to see a lot of rollouts and moving pockets with quick throws that will give him the option to throw it away if need be.
Pick 1 RB 1 WR and a Flex from this group...  
EricJ : 12/17/2017 8:45 am : link
in a non ppr league...

Jamaal Williams
Perine
Hyde
Davante Adams
Cooks
I also start Brady this week  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2017 8:46 am : link
there’s a lot on the line this game and he owns Pitt. Gronk is also back. The only downside is Haden is playing tonight but I’m not sure how much that will matter.
Carolina is also 3rd in rush Defense  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2017 8:47 am : link
I can see them stacking against the run to force the Packers to throw.
RE: Pick 1 RB 1 WR and a Flex from this group...  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 9:01 am : link
In comment 13743113 EricJ said:
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in a non ppr league...

Jamaal Williams
Perine
Hyde
Davante Adams
Cooks


Williams and Adams are definites. After that, flip a coin. Cooks has been dreadful lately but he always explodes every now and then. If you want upside I would go with him. Hyde might be the safest play. Has Perine done much of anything lately? I haven't paid attention.
OK  
mdthedream : 12/17/2017 9:02 am : link
My feeling here is the Packers run the ball and they don't open up the offense. I do not see them risking Rodgers as much as people think. He will make plays but he is coming off this injury way to early. I would look to pick up Foles, without Collins the Giants will be dead in the water. Philly will look to get Foles going and build momentum off the lose of Wentz. Look for Philly TE to explode in this game without Collins. The Giants looked like crap when he left the Dallas game last week.
Hyde has a medium ceiling of 11-13 points  
superspynyg : 12/17/2017 9:12 am : link
But high floor of 6-8 points. He is the Safe play.
Cooks has a higher ceiling of 15-17 points with a lower floor of 2-6. Remember Gronk is back and I still # 1 in NE
Gronk back can help Cooks  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2017 9:17 am : link
they are going to have to give safety help to contain Gronk
Goff or Bortles?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 12/17/2017 9:30 am : link
Rams are at Seattle, Jags are home vs Texans
RE: Goff or Bortles?  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 9:45 am : link
In comment 13743156 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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Rams are at Seattle, Jags are home vs Texans


I like both today. I went with Bortles over Stafford. Bortles has looked really good lately.
RE: RE: Pick 1 RB 1 WR and a Flex from this group...  
EricJ : 12/17/2017 10:06 am : link
In comment 13743125 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13743113 EricJ said:


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in a non ppr league...

Jamaal Williams
Perine
Hyde
Davante Adams
Cooks



Williams and Adams are definites. After that, flip a coin. Cooks has been dreadful lately but he always explodes every now and then. If you want upside I would go with him. Hyde might be the safest play. Has Perine done much of anything lately? I haven't paid attention.


ok so Williams as my RB 2 an Adams as my WR2. So, the flex... deciding between Hyde and Perine.
I'm stuck between Nick Foles and Mariota. Thoughts?  
GiantTuff1 : 12/17/2017 10:20 am : link
Both have good matchups (hate to say). Foles vs. NYG. Mariota vs SF

I don't think Foles will be significantly worse than Wentz, and can still put up good numbers in that offense. Plus the Giants historically struggle against backup QB's, so I'm leaning Foles. Mariota has been dinged up and has only had I believe 2 games above 20 fantasy points this season, and never broke 23. Am I right here...?

Also at WR, TE and FLEX

Right now I have in:
WR - Josh Gordon
WR - Dede Westbrook
TE - Jimmy Graham
FLEX - Evan Engram

Other possibilities:
WR - Stephon Diggs
WR - Sammy Watkins


Out
WR - Amari Cooper
RB - Tevin Coleman
RB - Tarik Cohen (played)

IR
QB - Carson Wentz
WR - Odell Beckham
RE: Goff or Bortles?  
GiantTuff1 : 12/17/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13743156 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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Rams are at Seattle, Jags are home vs Texans


Crazy but probably Bortles... He's been top 5 I believe past 3-4 weeks and his young WR's are really starting to emerge.
Playoff time  
STL Gman : 12/17/2017 10:31 am : link
Cousins or Goff. I have picked wrong a few times already, but already down big so need a strong performance. Thoughts?
RE: I'm stuck between Nick Foles and Mariota. Thoughts?  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13743215 GiantTuff1 said:
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Both have good matchups (hate to say). Foles vs. NYG. Mariota vs SF

I don't think Foles will be significantly worse than Wentz, and can still put up good numbers in that offense. Plus the Giants historically struggle against backup QB's, so I'm leaning Foles. Mariota has been dinged up and has only had I believe 2 games above 20 fantasy points this season, and never broke 23. Am I right here...?

Also at WR, TE and FLEX

Right now I have in:
WR - Josh Gordon
WR - Dede Westbrook
TE - Jimmy Graham
FLEX - Evan Engram

Other possibilities:
WR - Stephon Diggs
WR - Sammy Watkins


Out
WR - Amari Cooper
RB - Tevin Coleman
RB - Tarik Cohen (played)

IR
QB - Carson Wentz
WR - Odell Beckham


Mariota has been pretty bad this year. I don't think he has got 20 fantasy points this year. I'd go Foles.
Leonard Fournette looks like he's out  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 11:13 am : link
I have him in the matchup that determines who advances to the playoffs. My opponent had Kareem Hunt AND Melvin Gordon...so things are looking grim, need to get this one right.

I put him in my flex so a WR would be on the table.

Pick ONE for STANDARD scoring:

Rex Burkhead @PIT
Al Morris @OAK
Dez Bryant @OAK

Or, I could pick up and play one of the following:

Kerwyn Williams @WASH
Chris Ivory vs HOU
Gio Bernard @MIN (Mixon OUT again today)

2 big questions  
Mr. Nickels : 12/17/2017 11:16 am : link
1. Half PPR. Start Marques Goodwin Samaje Perine Dion Lewis or Robert Woods?

I have Goodwin in.

Not thinking of Lewis since no TDs and I already have Brady and Gronk.

Woods is just back from injury but I like him next week.

I am most torn on Perine being the only RB in town but Cards are tough run defense.


2. I am trying to roster block my opponent for next week, Week 16.

I have 1 free spot and 2 QBs I could drop (my QB is Brady)
Ben Roethlisberger
Jared Goff

What is the priority for the below FAs and would you drop both QBs to get all 3?:

Mike Davis at Dallas
Dede Westbrook at San Fran
Steelers D/st at Hou

His QB: Cam newton (vs Tampa) Alex Smith (vs Miami)
His RBs: Bell Lynch Riddick (injured) Alf Morris Rod Smith (Elliot back)
His WRs: Brown Crabtree Hilton Desean Jackson Sterling Shepard Randall Cobb

His D/st: Lions

I don't want to face Steeler D on christmas. Would he use Goff/Ben over Cam/Alex Smith?

I would pick up Westbrook  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 11:21 am : link
And drop Goff for Steelers DEF.
Also  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 11:22 am : link
Keep Goodwin in there. You have it right. I really like him this week. I also like Robert Woods but they could theoretically limit his snaps today.
RE: Leonard Fournette looks like he's out  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13743280 allstarjim said:
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I have him in the matchup that determines who advances to the playoffs. My opponent had Kareem Hunt AND Melvin Gordon...so things are looking grim, need to get this one right.

I put him in my flex so a WR would be on the table.

Pick ONE for STANDARD scoring:

Rex Burkhead @PIT
Al Morris @OAK
Dez Bryant @OAK

Or, I could pick up and play one of the following:

Kerwyn Williams @WASH
Chris Ivory vs HOU
Gio Bernard @MIN (Mixon OUT again today)


Burkhead without question
How are Davis and Westbrook available?  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 11:25 am : link
Is it an 8 or 10 team league? I'd pick both up.
RE: I would pick up Westbrook  
Mr. Nickels : 12/17/2017 11:25 am : link
In comment 13743293 allstarjim said:
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And drop Goff for Steelers DEF.



I really appreciate the advice and it makes a lot of sense. It'd be tough for him to start Goff over Cam or Alex Smith next week.

His Lions D/st play the bengals anyway so he may just roll with them or add the bears vs Browns.

Not a Mike Davis fan?
RE: How are Davis and Westbrook available?  
Mr. Nickels : 12/17/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13743300 robbieballs2003 said:
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Is it an 8 or 10 team league? I'd pick both up.


I dropped Goff for Westbrook.

I have Ivory i am going to drop at kickoff..

You would add Mike Davis over the Steelers?
FLEX decision in PPR league  
BocaGiants91 : 12/17/2017 11:29 am : link
Jamaal Williams or Dion Lewis?

I also have JuJu Smith-Shuster to use if I am so inclined.

Pretty much going with this today

QB: Big Ben over Rodgers , Ben probably one of 3 QBs I’d play over Rodgers

RB: Kenyan Drake and Alex Collins, I really believe these 2 are 2nd or 3rd round picks next year at worst in your fantasy draft.

WRs: Davante Adams and Devin Funchess

TE: Gronk smash

K: Prater already played got me 9 points, so not bad

D: Saints , o please let’s see Bryce Petty implode

Going against Cam Newton , Alvin Kamara and Carlos Hyde , Antonio Brown and Larry Fitzgerald, Hunter Henry who got 5.8 , Matt Bryant , and Denver D who only got 5 points.

What you guys think of my chances? Any advice appreciated, let’s get em today!
RE: RE: I would pick up Westbrook  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 11:30 am : link
In comment 13743302 Mr. Nickels said:
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In comment 13743293 allstarjim said:


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And drop Goff for Steelers DEF.




I really appreciate the advice and it makes a lot of sense. It'd be tough for him to start Goff over Cam or Alex Smith next week.

His Lions D/st play the bengals anyway so he may just roll with them or add the bears vs Browns.

Not a Mike Davis fan?


I'd rather your opponent pick him up. He's getting snaps, but he shouldn't scare you if your opponent picks him up. He really hasn't done much, and keep Big Ben just in case for insurance, more valuable. You won't play Davis in all likelihood, and he's not a great play next week, either, so if your opponent gets him, then so be it.
He also had Doug Baldwin  
BocaGiants91 : 12/17/2017 11:31 am : link
To go along with all the rest mentioned
RE: RE: How are Davis and Westbrook available?  
robbieballs2003 : 12/17/2017 11:33 am : link
In comment 13743308 Mr. Nickels said:
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In comment 13743300 robbieballs2003 said:


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Is it an 8 or 10 team league? I'd pick both up.



I dropped Goff for Westbrook.

I have Ivory i am going to drop at kickoff..

You would add Mike Davis over the Steelers?


Yes. How many starting RBs are on waiver? PIT hasn't been the same since Shazier went down. Yeah, they could play well against Houston but Davis is the better add.
No starting Rbs  
Mr. Nickels : 12/17/2017 11:53 am : link
left just Mike Davis.. He is down to just Bell and lynch too
RE: RE: RE: How are Davis and Westbrook available?  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13743317 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13743308 Mr. Nickels said:


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In comment 13743300 robbieballs2003 said:


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Is it an 8 or 10 team league? I'd pick both up.



I dropped Goff for Westbrook.

I have Ivory i am going to drop at kickoff..

You would add Mike Davis over the Steelers?



Yes. How many starting RBs are on waiver? PIT hasn't been the same since Shazier went down. Yeah, they could play well against Houston but Davis is the better add.


It really matters little how the Steelers have looked recently. What matters is that Pittsburgh is playing Houston week 16 and that will be a good fantasy DEF to play. If I want a defense with a high potential for turnovers, going up against T.J. Yates or Tom Savage is a nice matchup.

Seahawks are going up against the Cowboys next week who will have Ezekiel Elliott back. Time of Possession will be a limiting factor for the Seattle offense, and I expect 'Zeke's return to really charge up that team. Mike Davis is a scrub and they can't run block over there in Seattle, plus McKissic will eat into his snaps, and with what's left over, I'd want those 6 points from the RB position on my opponent's roster. I don't want the Steelers DEF week 16 against me.
Peyton barber  
Mr. Nickels : 12/17/2017 12:01 pm : link
and Mike davis available
Question  
WillVAB : 12/17/2017 12:17 pm : link
Kerwynn Williams and Davante Adams or Alex Collins and Robert Woods?
RE: FLEX decision in PPR league  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13743311 BocaGiants91 said:
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Jamaal Williams or Dion Lewis?

I also have JuJu Smith-Shuster to use if I am so inclined.

Pretty much going with this today

QB: Big Ben over Rodgers , Ben probably one of 3 QBs I’d play over Rodgers

RB: Kenyan Drake and Alex Collins, I really believe these 2 are 2nd or 3rd round picks next year at worst in your fantasy draft.

WRs: Davante Adams and Devin Funchess

TE: Gronk smash

K: Prater already played got me 9 points, so not bad

D: Saints , o please let’s see Bryce Petty implode

Going against Cam Newton , Alvin Kamara and Carlos Hyde , Antonio Brown and Larry Fitzgerald, Hunter Henry who got 5.8 , Matt Bryant , and Denver D who only got 5 points.

What you guys think of my chances? Any advice appreciated, let’s get em today!


I think you have a decent chance. But I would tweak that lineup. I like Jamaal Williams, but I really think the Steelers are going to give Smith-Schuster a lot of balls today. Belichick is likely to try to focus efforts on stopping Antonio Brown and Lev Bell, and Smith-Schuster could be a big recipient of what should be a high-scoring game with a lot of fantasy points to go around. I would play Juju as your flex.
Blount or ivory  
TommytheElephant : 12/17/2017 12:27 pm : link
Non ppr
No Chris Hogan tonight  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2017 12:28 pm : link
might be good for Cooks owners
RE: Question  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13743372 WillVAB said:
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Kerwynn Williams and Davante Adams or Alex Collins and Robert Woods?


Collins and Adams is the best 1-2 combination. But if I must stay in the parameters of your question, it would be Collins and Woods. Collins is a clear top 7 play today.
RE: No Chris Hogan tonight  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13743396 UConn4523 said:
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might be good for Cooks owners


4:25 game, just an FYI..I think you mentioned "tonight" a couple times with regards to NE/PIT

DAL @ OAK is the night game.

Just wanted to make sure you (or others) weren't planning to make a lineup decision based on that being a night game.
Also  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2017 12:36 pm : link
in PIT, Kenny Britt active for the Patriots, don't know what to expect today, but he could be a sneaky add for next week if Brady and he show a quick rapport.
Last minute question  
allstarjim : 12/17/2017 12:38 pm : link
I am going with Dede Westbrook and Marquis Goodwin as my receivers today over Dez Bryant. Dumb? Genius? I kind of like it, like it even more with Fournette ruled out.
RE: RE: No Chris Hogan tonight  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13743404 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13743396 UConn4523 said:


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might be good for Cooks owners



4:25 game, just an FYI..I think you mentioned "tonight" a couple times with regards to NE/PIT

DAL @ OAK is the night game.

Just wanted to make sure you (or others) weren't planning to make a lineup decision based on that being a night game.


Yeah, just referencing later today.
For those that listened to me  
mdthedream : 12/17/2017 3:29 pm : link
Foles was the play of the day Dilly Dilly plus Burton for a TD
Well... I am fucked in all of my leagues where I am in the playoffs..  
EricJ : 12/17/2017 6:03 pm : link
will lose all of them today. IN one, I went up against Kareem Hunt and then Cam Newton's awesome day and every one of my players under-performed.

Then, in the other two leagues I have Antonio Brown and now it looks like I have no shot without him.
So glad I played Bortles over Goff  
PatersonPlank : 12/17/2017 6:15 pm : link
.
Unless devonta freeman  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2017 7:37 pm : link
scores 51 fantasy points tomorrow night I'm going to the championship, though it will be without Antonio Brown probably.

I'd say that puts me at a disadvantage, but I had the highest score this week without him, so who knows.

Can't expect a game like that from Gurley next week though too. Most of my players hit the end zone (Tyreek Hill, Cooks, Drake, Gurley), but Gurley was the difference.
Up 44  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2017 7:39 pm : link
against Dak and Barber. Really don’t like having to go into 2 more games with the lead getting chipped away at.
Goodwin!  
Mr. Nickels : 12/18/2017 2:26 pm : link
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