not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
They're complete fucking morons. They only see an agenda, not what is right in front of their eyes.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
im not going by meaningless stats in a meaningless game. he has had accuracy issues all season and on the final play to win the game he didnt put it close....
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
What the fuck were you watching? If Engram's arm isn't pulled down, he's making the winning TD catch!
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
This is laughable. Oh.. my... fucking... God. Holy shit, a fucking meteor can hit the earth and it will be Eli's fault.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
What the fuck were you watching? If Engram's arm isn't pulled down, he's making the winning TD catch!
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
This is laughable. Oh.. my... fucking... God. Holy shit, a fucking meteor can hit the earth and it will be Eli's fault.
didnt blame eli for the loss, just an observation of where he stands
many mistakes and drops. Eli playing with few weapons, but could have had at least two more INTs.
Nothing downfield and no running game. We need 10 plays to get into FG range. Every pass is underneath or a slant. We have more three and outs than any other team this year.
No pressure from JPP. Very little from Vernon, who was washed out on many running plays.
Absolutely wretched ST, even worse than the truly awful that we usually see.
Will be named Head Coach ....
Hey they played hard should have been a 30 point game
just a dreadful performance by our special teams not that
it's anything new .
Eli had a few poor throws could have been worse .
JPP should be traded for anything we can get at this point
of Just cut him and eat cap space he makes no impact anymore he had two tackles today 2
What a crappy telecast all the way around camera angles
Refs announcers all stunk .
Not gonna win games putting the ball up 57 times but we
can't run the ball so it is what it is .
2nd pick of the draft is still ours
Nobody would have called that in that position, draw play on long 3rd and goal??! just embarrassing.. Fire the entire Giants coaching staff after this season. The Giants wreak of awful coaching in every aspect. clean house!
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
This is laughable. Oh.. my... fucking... God. Holy shit, a fucking meteor can hit the earth and it will be Eli's fault.
didnt blame eli for the loss, just an observation of where he stands
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Settle down, whacko. Eli threw for over 400 yards against a defense that usually gives the Giants fits in a game that means virtually nothing in a 2-12 season. He's the last guy you should be bitching about.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Settle down, whacko. Eli threw for over 400 yards against a defense that usually gives the Giants fits in a game that means virtually nothing in a 2-12 season. He's the last guy you should be bitching about.
nobody is bitching. didnt blame him for the loss at all...i just think in general its time to move on...
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
PP, he missed Shepard for a TD, awful momentum changing INT, held the ball on the two point conversion for a sack, never gave Engram a chance to catch the last pass. Yes his numbers are great, but two other passes should have been INTs. Checked into two terrible plays that cost them yardage and killed drives.
He did not lose the game, that is on Tom Quinn and STs.
He is making a lot of awful decisions with many throws to covered receivers and there are serious accuracy issues as well. And I am in no way an Eli bashed.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
PP, he missed Shepard for a TD, awful momentum changing INT, held the ball on the two point conversion for a sack, never gave Engram a chance to catch the last pass. Yes his numbers are great, but two other passes should have been INTs. Checked into two terrible plays that cost them yardage and killed drives.
He did not lose the game, that is on Tom Quinn and STs.
i agree, eli didnt cost us the game but going beyond the stats, he made some reall poor throws and honestly, we have seen it all season
Those bashing Eli for a throw here and a throw there Â
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Settle down, whacko. Eli threw for over 400 yards against a defense that usually gives the Giants fits in a game that means virtually nothing in a 2-12 season. He's the last guy you should be bitching about.
On top of that, throwing to a gimped Sterling Shepard, rookies, and guys off the practice squad.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
PP, he missed Shepard for a TD, awful momentum changing INT, held the ball on the two point conversion for a sack, never gave Engram a chance to catch the last pass. Yes his numbers are great, but two other passes should have been INTs. Checked into two terrible plays that cost them yardage and killed drives.
He did not lose the game, that is on Tom Quinn and STs.
No QB in football plays a perfect game. It seems that BBI holds Eli to a standard that no other QB in the league is held to. If Brees played the game Eli did today (for example) people on here would be calling it a HOF performance. No one is throwing for 100%, and not making any mistakes
For the Carolina a game so I won't comment other than:
A It appears they didn't roll over, given the score.
B Did we really want them to win???
C Washington didn't roll over apparently so the NYE game is no longer a given.
D. Given the score...it makes you wonder about effort of our O in previous games when you are showcasing for a roster spot in a game you could have mailed in.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
What the fuck were you watching? If Engram's arm isn't pulled down, he's making the winning TD catch!
If the Giants see a QB they want for the next 10 years you take him...but you don't take a QB to take a QB...if none are discernibly better, in the Giants eyes, you draft OL and Defense....Would be nice to see healthy, consistent LBs on this defense.
Showed that today in spades. But he's going to be 37 next year and we have a chance to get our next franchise QB without giving up a boatload of picks. Look to the future not the past. Stop worrying about Eli's window closing and open a new window.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
No one us expecting Eli to play a perfect game but he’s making a lot of mental mistakes out there. What did you think of that throw at the beginning of the final drive where he was almost intercepted by the LB? it was a rookie, a poor mistake. Glad he got 400 yards but he is not playing good football.
If the Giants see a QB they want for the next 10 years you take him...but you don't take a QB to take a QB...if none are discernibly better, in the Giants eyes, you draft OL and Defense....Would be nice to see healthy, consistent LBs on this defense.
everyone so salty that i said eli isnt playing good football lmfao.
nobody blamed him for loss, just said he isnt playing great....god if someone talks bad about eli here, people freak out
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No QB in football plays a perfect game. It seems that BBI holds Eli to a standard that no other QB in the league is held to. If Brees played the game Eli did today (for example) people on here would be calling it a HOF performance. No one is throwing for 100%, and not making any mistakes
Not asking for a perfect game, just a complete one. Brilliance on one series then incompetence on the next. Four plays from the 7 yard line and could not get the ball near a receiver for a TD. The slant was open all day, all day. Tried a corner route, a roll out that was thrown short and a ball to Engram too high for a completion on 4th down.
He played a good game but they needed him to make one more play out of three (nothing he could do on the draw unless he called it.)
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No one us expecting Eli to play a perfect game but he’s making a lot of mental mistakes out there. What did you think of that throw at the beginning of the final drive where he was almost intercepted by the LB? it was a rookie, a poor mistake. Glad he got 400 yards but he is not playing good football.
Its a flowing game, you can't just sit here and dissect a certain play. If you do that to Eli then do it to all other QB's too. Also lets then dissect the good plays he made, which far far outnumbered the bad. That pass on the last drive to Lewis I believe was unbelievable. He's out there slinging it and taking chances, which I like. I don't want a game manager.
There is another team out there and there will be bad plays. Rogers had 3 Ints today for example, lets analyze his play. You need to look at the body of work as whole, which today was outstanding. I don't know why some on here expect Eli to be perfect on every play.
everyone so salty that i said eli isnt playing good football lmfao.
nobody blamed him for loss, just said he isnt playing great....god if someone talks bad about eli here, people freak out
it's the same crap every week. you can't say anything about Eli. it's never his fault...
it's getting sad really...
and the entire offensive unit today. Blocking was decent and the receivers played pretty well outside of a few drops. Eli looked really strong today.
Must admit, still happy we are still in 2nd position for the draft. Not just for the first pick, but we need to get some difference makers in rounds two, three, and four. Go Giants!
No one us expecting Eli to play a perfect game but he’s making a lot of mental mistakes out there. What did you think of that throw at the beginning of the final drive where he was almost intercepted by the LB? it was a rookie, a poor mistake. Glad he got 400 yards but he is not playing good football.
Well I think think the other team gets paid too. If you really watched the play the LB steps to his left then sees the play is going to his right, makes a great read and stops on a dime and steps to his right almost making the pick.
Sometimes you have to give credit to the other guy. It seemed to me the played was designed to drag him away from the throw but he didn't bite.
everyone so salty that i said eli isnt playing good football lmfao.
nobody blamed him for loss, just said he isnt playing great....god if someone talks bad about eli here, people freak out
it's the same crap every week. you can't say anything about Eli. it's never his fault...
it's getting sad really...
ddidnt even blame him for loss, simple said, i think he hasnt been great this year. lots of missed throws. that INT was HUGE in terms of momentum today
Wouldn’t shock me to see the Giants win these last 2 Â
I would lay off the personal invective with Eli. He’s one of the greats to wear the uniform. Which is good for him because if he wasn’t he’d have a good chance of being benched with his play lately.
I would lay off the personal invective with Eli. He’s one of the greats to wear the uniform. Which is good for him because if he wasn’t he’d have a good chance of being benched with his play lately.
the insane part is i was NEVER EVER in the blame eli group. im still not killing him as some do, but i certainly believe he is average at best. he has made some poor decisions and poor throws. loses a lot of passes high
I would lay off the personal invective with Eli. He’s one of the greats to wear the uniform. Which is good for him because if he wasn’t he’d have a good chance of being benched with his play lately.
the insane part is i was NEVER EVER in the blame eli group. im still not killing him as some do, but i certainly believe he is average at best. he has made some poor decisions and poor throws. loses a lot of passes high
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In comment 13744459 section125 said:
You got backups running poor routes with no running game
a system that does not match a pocket passer skills .
There were a couple of runs today that a top notch RB
takes to the house both times it was a Darkwa carry even
when the do a decent job opening a hole there is no threat
to break off a good play .
The Int was on the route run by the WR does anyone watch other games that every QB in the league makes some questionable throws ot picks .
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
You're an idiot.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Nobody would have called that in that position, draw play on long 3rd and goal??! just embarrassing.. Fire the entire Giants coaching staff after this season. The Giants wreak of awful coaching in every aspect. clean house!
they got the call upstairs to preserve draft position...paid Hart extra for the false start
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In comment 13744459 section125 said:
You got backups running poor routes with no running game
a system that does not match a pocket passer skills .
There were a couple of runs today that a top notch RB
takes to the house both times it was a Darkwa carry even
when the do a decent job opening a hole there is no threat
to break off a good play .
The Int was on the route run by the WR does anyone watch other games that every QB in the league makes some questionable throws ot picks .
It was a bad pass, thrown to the wrong side of the receiver which allowed the DB to break on the ball.
I'd rather Gallman get the majority of the touches, he can break one. Darkwa fights hard for yards, but often misreads the hole and has no speed.
Sometimes you have to give credit to the other guy. It seemed to me the played was designed to drag him away from the throw but he didn't bite.
The receiver was covered and there were two LBs bracketing him. The ball should never have been thrown.
I’m using this play as an illustration. It’s just one play but I see play after play today where Eli was making errors.
Reading comp?
The LB who almost made the int made a great read. He wasn't part of the "bracket" but ended up being so because of not biting and making a hell of a read/react to what he saw IMO.
1-this receiving core has been shit on too much here. Shepard is a great 2. Given all the other needs this is not a high priority to me. King is a salvageable player as well. While Eli played mostly well though his numbers make it look better than it really was as section125 points out, it's a bit of an indictment of the offensive gameplans-they did not have to be this pathetic on o.
2-gallman is a player.
3-The talent gap in NFC is very tight. Those proclaiming a massive rebuild is needed just seem silly to me. This team can get turned around very quickly.
4-Eli played good today. The fanboy usual suspects will point out his yards as evidence of some all time great game but he's still making a lot of errant throws he should be hitting and a few balls that should have been picked. He has earned right to start next year but for every start like this he puts up a meh game and occasionally a bad clunker.
- teams know to key on Engram and he is still killing it. Will be fun to watch him play with Odell next year.
- That said, they need a possession receiver, basically a bully on the outside. What Marshall was intended for.
- Gallman looking like a good pick.
- Still need another back.
- No idea what to make of Flowers. He holds up but his technique still sucks.
- Our linebackers are ATROCIOUS. D-Line did not get blown back for the most part but no one comes up and makes plays.
- That said, our lack of pressure on passing downs is mindblowing. Even with all the money at DE, we still need to either consider signing a pass rush specialist or using a decently high pick on one...yeah i know, we have tons of other needs. Its still one of our biggest.
- People seem to either want to bash Eli or coddle him. Is it possible to fall into the middle? Pretty good game, not a ton of mistakes BUT they always seem to occur at critical points.
- Liked Thompson coming out...we need a competition at FS. Sink or swim in his 3rd year.
- Tom Quinn...oof
- Who was our last decent return man? Hixon? Can we finally use a 6th or 7th round pick on someone that can get us some yards in the return game?
Biggest takeaway: They should give away Prozac to fans before the games.
Wrong. Bad throw. DB broke on the ball before the receiver came out of his break and the ball was thrown to the wrong side of the receiver = outside shoulder where the DB was in coverage. If that ball was to the inside, it may have been caught and definitely not INT.
434 yards and 3 touchdowns with a penal colony of players to work with. I can't believe he did that well. Get off his ass. This organization is no longer worthy of Eli Manning. I can't help but compare Eli and this shit team to the final scenes from the movie Spartacus.
The first thing out of Mike Mayock's mouth when the GIANTS picked him was "This guy can't tackle."
And he was right.
Plus, he can't block, either. The Eagle who blocked the punt was Thompson's responsibility.
Yet another Reese / Ross 3rd round major miss.
The block was because he was too close to the line at the snap and he could not see the stunt. If he was back 2 or three yards, he sees the open man come through the line. Blame the coach for poor positioning.
I was honestly torn between wanting to beat the ShitBirds Â
as we had the ball inside the 10 with a chance to take the lead and knowing that holding onto the #2 pick is best for this franchise's future. Then Bobby Hart Bobby Harted and that was all she wrote.
Eli looked better than he has since the first month of the season when he still had Odell.
I dreaded coming onto BBI as I expected to see 9,000 DROP DEAD TOM QUINN threads. There's only 1 though. The special teams was truly an abomination.
Wayne Gallman continues to show that there are yards to be gained behind even this crappy offensive line if a guy has speed and vision. He's a keeper, but we need another guy who can blend that speed and vision with some power.
I really hope Odell comes back strong so we can see him with EE and SS. Odell just turned 25 years-old five weeks ago and is the oldest of the 3 players.
434 yards and 3 touchdowns with a penal colony of players to work with. I can't believe he did that well. Get off his ass. This organization is no longer worthy of Eli Manning. I can't help but compare Eli and this shit team to the final scenes from the movie Spartacus.
Wrong. Bad throw. DB broke on the ball before the receiver came out of his break and the ball was thrown to the wrong side of the receiver = outside shoulder where the DB was in coverage. If that ball was to the inside, it may have been caught and definitely not INT.
Sorry but I completely disagree, and so does Carl a Banks.
Shit route by Lewis,bad coming out of his break by rounding off and then not breaking towards the ball.. If he does those things,it's at worst an incomplete pass.
Eli has nothing to work with. He still shines. Surrounded by futility and losers. He is a quarterback. Not a miracle worker. Either give him a line. A running game. One more wide receiver or ship him out to a team worthy of his talents.
WE do not need to draft another "student" QB. We need to draft players that will generate better pass blocking and a running game. And a tall young WR with large catch radius will help also. Sheppard is ok in the slot but is not a WR.
But the idea that the Giants should not draft a quarterback should go away.
Eli is going to be 38 years old next season! It doesn't matter if he is still a franchise quarterback or not. The Giants are probably going to be in position to draft their next franchise quarterback, you don't know when that will happen again.
The idea that the draft is a crap shoot, so let's stay with Eli is silly.
Was it a crap shoot for Wentz, or Watson? If you think there is a pretty good chance a quarterback that you think can play is there when you pick, you have to take him.
The loyalty to Eli is fine, I get it. I was probably the same way for Simms.
But you don't spend a #2 overall pick drafting someone that will help Eli be better if there is a quarterback there.
Wrong. Bad throw. DB broke on the ball before the receiver came out of his break and the ball was thrown to the wrong side of the receiver = outside shoulder where the DB was in coverage. If that ball was to the inside, it may have been caught and definitely not INT.
Well Banks and Papa on the radio beg to differ...
You do realize that ball is thrown to a spot and the WR has to win that route...??
Nick Foles playing for the Giants and Eli playing for the Eagles, today ...
It's not even close, Eli's Eagles would have put up 50. And Foles' Giants, "fo-git-about-it"
Come-to-think-of-it ; If I was the Eagles' GM, I'd try to steal Eli from the Giants, for say, a 3rd round draft pick. With the team, they have (which is every bit as good as the Giants teams that Eli took to the SB), he could veery well beat Tom Terrific for a 3rd time.
Right now, the Giants are hurting everywhere - defense, offense, special teams, but offense, especially.
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Sorry but I completely disagree, and so does Carl a Banks.
Shit route by Lewis,bad coming out of his break by rounding off and then not breaking towards the ball.. If he does those things,it's at worst an incomplete pass.
Banks is wrong. Watch the play. Ball to outside shoulder toward the DB. DB was breaking before the WR. If the pass was thrown inside it is caught or incomplete. You can't beat a DB to the ball if he is breaking on it before you are out of your break, plus it is thrown to the wrong side of the break.
We already drafted Webb... he is a young QB who is following the plan...learning and he has all the physical skills and the height. Why do we need to draft another QB who is not going to help us on the field next year? So then we will have two drafted QBs? in two consecutive YEARS?. Both learning behind Eli? Eli is 38. So What?
Brady is 40 and has better personnel around him. We have to take advantage of this dismissal season to bring in several players who will bolster the O-line and then get a running back like an Alvin Kamara. We do not need another understudy QB. What is the concern that Webb was a third rd pick? Prescott was a second round pick. Brady was a sixth round pick. There is no bible that says you must draft a QB in Rd one if you have the second pick.The last time we had the second pick in rd one we drafted Lawrence Taylor.
Eli taking a sack on the 2 point try...why..throw it up at least give Â
And there was a decent sampling of Giants fans for a road game.
Some brief observations. Eli is neither as good as his apologists say or as bad as the haters think, but he can no longer carry a team with this many holes and has not been able to produce that 4th quarter magic for some time. Some incredible throws at first then the inexplicable throw and back and forth.
The secondary is horrible and it's as much the big names, Apple and Thompson, as the street free agents.
Gallman is a workhorse. Darkwa runs hard and deserves to come back if he wants to be a part of this shit show.
Prescott was drafted 135th. in the 4th round - of course Dallas gets a non-premium QB from a smaller school in the 4th round that comes in and can light it up as a rookie and into his 2nd year - bastids don't even have to sweat out this 1st or 2nd pick overall shit to gamble on the QB of the future- a freakin rookie that is the real deal from nowhere -how can that be possible on the worst of despicable teams?
RE: Eli taking a sack on the 2 point try...why..throw it up at least give Â
We already drafted Webb... he is a young QB who is following the plan...learning and he has all the physical skills and the height. Why do we need to draft another QB who is not going to help us on the field next year? So then we will have two drafted QBs? in two consecutive YEARS?. Both learning behind Eli? Eli is 38. So What?
Brady is 40 and has better personnel around him. We have to take advantage of this dismissal season to bring in several players who will bolster the O-line and then get a running back like an Alvin Kamara. We do not need another understudy QB. What is the concern that Webb was a third rd pick? Prescott was a second round pick. Brady was a sixth round pick. There is no bible that says you must draft a QB in Rd one if you have the second pick.The last time we had the second pick in rd one we drafted Lawrence Taylor.
You have no idea how to build a team. The Giants haven't picked this high since 2004. Who says a rookie QB won't help us on the field next year? Do you see how Wentz or Goff performed this year in their 2nd season? Should the Rams and Eagles have passed on them because they might struggle year one? Also if there was a Lawrence Taylor in this draft that would change things but there is no consensus top position player or lineman in this draft. Great let's place all our future hope on Webb because Tom Brady and Prescott made it. You failed to mention the hundreds of other QB's picked after round 1 that didn't become starters.
So .... just looking at those stats, I'd say, only Goff stands out (with Webb a solid 2nd best). Webb is ALREADY here.
My recommendation - Give Webb a solid O-line (like the Eagles & Rams have); a solid running game (like the Eagles & Rams have); decent receivers (like the Eagles & Rams have).
When all that's done, I'd say, it's even money who's better, Rosen or Webb.( I'd go with Webb)
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
THIS is the game that sends you over the edge on eli? This one? Eli was the only reason the Giants had a pulse in the 4th. And this coming from someone who has no problem taking Eli to task for his subpar play.
Give Eli a running game and he will deliver. They ran the ball pretty well today and should have scored 30 plus despite the pass pro being shit for most of the day. Surprise.
So .... just looking at those stats, I'd say, only Goff stands out (with Webb a solid 2nd best). Webb is ALREADY here.
My recommendation - Give Webb a solid O-line (like the Eagles & Rams have); a solid running game (like the Eagles & Rams have); decent receivers (like the Eagles & Rams have).
When all that's done, I'd say, it's even money who's better, Rosen or Webb.( I'd go with Webb)
Judging QB's by their stats in college means little when they get to the pro's. Former Giant Josh Johnson had 43 Touchdown's and 1 interception in his final collegiate season.
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Sorry but I completely disagree, and so does Carl a Banks.
Shit route by Lewis,bad coming out of his break by rounding off and then not breaking towards the ball.. If he does those things,it's at worst an incomplete pass.
Banks is wrong. Watch the play. Ball to outside shoulder toward the DB. DB was breaking before the WR. If the pass was thrown inside it is caught or incomplete. You can't beat a DB to the ball if he is breaking on it before you are out of your break, plus it is thrown to the wrong side of the break.
I think maybe you might want to go watch it again. The reason the DB got such a great break on the ball is because Lewis had such a shitty one.. If he runs a crisp route there, not to mention not even attacking the ball, no way the DB beats him to the ball. A WR can't round off his route and allow the DB to get inside/under him.
Prescott was drafted 135th. in the 4th round - of course Dallas gets a non-premium QB from a smaller school in the 4th round that comes in and can light it up as a rookie and into his 2nd year - bastids don't even have to sweat out this 1st or 2nd pick overall shit to gamble on the QB of the future- a freakin rookie that is the real deal from nowhere -how can that be possible on the worst of despicable teams?
Pretty much the same player, I'd say ... except Webb is here and just cost us a #3 (87th overall); Rosen may cost us a #3 overall.
60-65% of Webb's passes were within 10 yards of the LOS. But he throws a very nice deep ball. People who question his accuracy need to remember that he wasn't required to make a lot of throws or reads to the second and third levels. That's why the adjustment to the NFL is so great for him. Aside from the speed of the game, he has to learn to make those throws and reads, and play under center.
My guess is a new GM drafts his own QB. I could see Webb being traded on draft day. Splitting reps between Eli, a #1 QB, and Webb is silly.
But he’s not making the plays that mattered he was high a lot on those cmon at times on those he’s throwing the ball 2 feet over the receivers head he will get them killed like that he already has next he’s going to get the running back killed it’s sad to see because Eli is our guy but .....
That is totally amazing to me. I recall a lot of people making all kinds of excuses for him back-in-the-day - that it was his receivers that sucked.
That is just him, I just learn to live with it because he's delivered a lot of great wins and two championships (and is STILL good enough to gives at least one more)
That is totally amazing to me. I recall a lot of people making all kinds of excuses for him back-in-the-day - that it was his receivers that sucked.
That is just him, I just learn to live with it because he's delivered a lot of great wins and two championships (and is STILL good enough to gives at least one more)
Yes he’s delivered a lot of good wins as obvious as 2 SB and he will be in the hall of fame I appreciate that and am just more or less ranting in what has become a nightmare season but the bottom line is if he makes about 4 passes that he used to make yesterday they go home with a win ..... Eli only has 6 4th quarter comebacks in the last what 6 years he can’t take a team all the way anymore it would have to be the dream team so enjoy the last 2 years of Eli’s Carreer
Prescott was drafted 135th. in the 4th round - of course Dallas gets a non-premium QB from a smaller school in the 4th round that comes in and can light it up as a rookie and into his 2nd year - bastids don't even have to sweat out this 1st or 2nd pick overall shit to gamble on the QB of the future- a freakin rookie that is the real deal from nowhere -how can that be possible on the worst of despicable teams?
its a timing play go full bore plant your feet and come
back for the ball .
The missed throw at the end of the game your telling me
that Engram has a 6" vertical jump ? The defender grabbed
his right arm so he couldn't elevate to make the game winning catch a throw that has to be high or its a simple
PD !
The ST is what killed us. I honestly think Adams is better than Thompson at FS.
ST are ridiculously bad. Again. And man do I agree about Thompson, he’s been terrible! The book on him was that he was a ball hawk but that ain’t the case in the NFL. I thought Adams really over achieved last season and that’s not something we’ve seen too much of from the Giants in recent years. Thompson is the only real change in the defensive backfield this year. Wonder if Adams was a guy who brought more to the unit than just sticks and tackles?
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Webb shud start the last two games. At least the new GM & HC would have some game tape on him. With the first pick, either draft a monster LT or trade the pick for addional picks.
SteveMD
Webb shud start the last two games. At least the new GM & HC would have some game tape on him. With the first pick, either draft a monster LT or trade the pick for addional picks.
SteveMD
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Eli was great and Gallman looks good.
If the Giants were going to lose I am okay with this game since a win would have hurt the draft.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
Eli was damn good today.
CHEARING!! Effie fat fingers!
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not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
They're complete fucking morons. They only see an agenda, not what is right in front of their eyes.
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not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
im not going by meaningless stats in a meaningless game. he has had accuracy issues all season and on the final play to win the game he didnt put it close....
It kills me hearing people on this board cheering for the opponent, especially the fucking Eagles.
Special teams blew it
Played hard for 60 minutes and almost pulled it out.
BleedBlue : 4:28 pm : link : reply
pathetic.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
What the fuck were you watching? If Engram's arm isn't pulled down, he's making the winning TD catch!
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
This is laughable. Oh.. my... fucking... God. Holy shit, a fucking meteor can hit the earth and it will be Eli's fault.
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pathetic.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
What the fuck were you watching? If Engram's arm isn't pulled down, he's making the winning TD catch!
nah, i dont think that was PI
Stay in #2 spot.
How sweet it is!
Wrong
2003 4-12
1983 3-12-1
1980 4-12
1974 2-12
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not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
This is laughable. Oh.. my... fucking... God. Holy shit, a fucking meteor can hit the earth and it will be Eli's fault.
didnt blame eli for the loss, just an observation of where he stands
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It sucks as a Giants fan to hear people cheating for our opponent in our stadium.
It kills me hearing people on this board cheering for the opponent, especially the fucking Eagles.
It sounded as if the game was being played in Philly!
yea really head scratching
Nothing downfield and no running game. We need 10 plays to get into FG range. Every pass is underneath or a slant. We have more three and outs than any other team this year.
No pressure from JPP. Very little from Vernon, who was washed out on many running plays.
Absolutely wretched ST, even worse than the truly awful that we usually see.
Wheeler should be in as well.
Hey they played hard should have been a 30 point game
just a dreadful performance by our special teams not that
it's anything new .
Eli had a few poor throws could have been worse .
JPP should be traded for anything we can get at this point
of Just cut him and eat cap space he makes no impact anymore he had two tackles today 2
What a crappy telecast all the way around camera angles
Refs announcers all stunk .
Not gonna win games putting the ball up 57 times but we
can't run the ball so it is what it is .
2nd pick of the draft is still ours
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pathetic.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
This is laughable. Oh.. my... fucking... God. Holy shit, a fucking meteor can hit the earth and it will be Eli's fault.
didnt blame eli for the loss, just an observation of where he stands
Please take a football 101 class.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Settle down, whacko. Eli threw for over 400 yards against a defense that usually gives the Giants fits in a game that means virtually nothing in a 2-12 season. He's the last guy you should be bitching about.
And yes it is interesting that 29 points and 434 yards passing happens only 2 weeks after McAdoo leaves. That tells me a lot. and against a top D too.
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It sucks as a Giants fan to hear people cheating for our opponent in our stadium.
It kills me hearing people on this board cheering for the opponent, especially the fucking Eagles.
+1000000
Fucking mental patients.
No one, especially an immobile quarterback, would be effective behind this offensive line.
Still want them to draft a quarterback, but would like to see Eli get another chance next season
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not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Settle down, whacko. Eli threw for over 400 yards against a defense that usually gives the Giants fits in a game that means virtually nothing in a 2-12 season. He's the last guy you should be bitching about.
nobody is bitching. didnt blame him for the loss at all...i just think in general its time to move on...
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not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
PP, he missed Shepard for a TD, awful momentum changing INT, held the ball on the two point conversion for a sack, never gave Engram a chance to catch the last pass. Yes his numbers are great, but two other passes should have been INTs. Checked into two terrible plays that cost them yardage and killed drives.
He did not lose the game, that is on Tom Quinn and STs.
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pathetic.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
PP, he missed Shepard for a TD, awful momentum changing INT, held the ball on the two point conversion for a sack, never gave Engram a chance to catch the last pass. Yes his numbers are great, but two other passes should have been INTs. Checked into two terrible plays that cost them yardage and killed drives.
He did not lose the game, that is on Tom Quinn and STs.
i agree, eli didnt cost us the game but going beyond the stats, he made some reall poor throws and honestly, we have seen it all season
We need the new GM to do just like Reese did to rebuild the defense .....
With the additions of Jackrabbit & Snacks
(1) Rebuild the offensive line (via draft and/or free agents)
(2) Trade for or draft a first tier complimentary receiver opposite OBJ
What today's game proved to me that despite our abysmal record, it's NOT time to "throw out the baby with the bath water".
Philly is one of the top three teams in the NFL, and we came within one play of beating them.
Three?
JPP "Defensive player of the year"
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not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Settle down, whacko. Eli threw for over 400 yards against a defense that usually gives the Giants fits in a game that means virtually nothing in a 2-12 season. He's the last guy you should be bitching about.
On top of that, throwing to a gimped Sterling Shepard, rookies, and guys off the practice squad.
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pathetic.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Seriously, the guy who just threw for 434 yards and 3 TDs? What is wrong with you people.
PP, he missed Shepard for a TD, awful momentum changing INT, held the ball on the two point conversion for a sack, never gave Engram a chance to catch the last pass. Yes his numbers are great, but two other passes should have been INTs. Checked into two terrible plays that cost them yardage and killed drives.
He did not lose the game, that is on Tom Quinn and STs.
No QB in football plays a perfect game. It seems that BBI holds Eli to a standard that no other QB in the league is held to. If Brees played the game Eli did today (for example) people on here would be calling it a HOF performance. No one is throwing for 100%, and not making any mistakes
With a more contemporary DC and
OC with various new staffs, it wouldn't be the worst .
A It appears they didn't roll over, given the score.
B Did we really want them to win???
C Washington didn't roll over apparently so the NYE game is no longer a given.
D. Given the score...it makes you wonder about effort of our O in previous games when you are showcasing for a roster spot in a game you could have mailed in.
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pathetic.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
What the fuck were you watching? If Engram's arm isn't pulled down, he's making the winning TD catch!
nah, i dont think that was PI
Nah, you should've stopped after "I don't think".
I'm surprised we didn't have a blocked kick off
Really looked good out there.
Ran hard, ran with vision, caught the ball.
Did a lot of nice things.
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
Fuck this post. Seriously.
Clearly the answer is right in front of us.
Any linebackers projected to be worth #2?
Cleveland has the Houston pick re Osweiler trade.
They can't root hard enough for Indy and SF to win and HT to lose.
nobody blamed him for loss, just said he isnt playing great....god if someone talks bad about eli here, people freak out
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No QB in football plays a perfect game. It seems that BBI holds Eli to a standard that no other QB in the league is held to. If Brees played the game Eli did today (for example) people on here would be calling it a HOF performance. No one is throwing for 100%, and not making any mistakes
Not asking for a perfect game, just a complete one. Brilliance on one series then incompetence on the next. Four plays from the 7 yard line and could not get the ball near a receiver for a TD. The slant was open all day, all day. Tried a corner route, a roll out that was thrown short and a ball to Engram too high for a completion on 4th down.
He played a good game but they needed him to make one more play out of three (nothing he could do on the draw unless he called it.)
We need the new GM to do just like Reese did to rebuild the defense .....
With the additions of Jackrabbit & Snacks
(1) Rebuild the offensive line (via draft and/or free agents)
(2) Trade for or draft a first tier complimentary receiver opposite OBJ
What today's game proved to me that despite our abysmal record, it's NOT time to "throw out the baby with the bath water".
Philly is one of the top three teams in the NFL, and we came within one play of beating them.
They gave up 34 points to a backup QB.
He looked like a player who could do that today.
Its a flowing game, you can't just sit here and dissect a certain play. If you do that to Eli then do it to all other QB's too. Also lets then dissect the good plays he made, which far far outnumbered the bad. That pass on the last drive to Lewis I believe was unbelievable. He's out there slinging it and taking chances, which I like. I don't want a game manager.
There is another team out there and there will be bad plays. Rogers had 3 Ints today for example, lets analyze his play. You need to look at the body of work as whole, which today was outstanding. I don't know why some on here expect Eli to be perfect on every play.
nobody blamed him for loss, just said he isnt playing great....god if someone talks bad about eli here, people freak out
it's the same crap every week. you can't say anything about Eli. it's never his fault...
it's getting sad really...
Must admit, still happy we are still in 2nd position for the draft. Not just for the first pick, but we need to get some difference makers in rounds two, three, and four. Go Giants!
Well I think think the other team gets paid too. If you really watched the play the LB steps to his left then sees the play is going to his right, makes a great read and stops on a dime and steps to his right almost making the pick.
Sometimes you have to give credit to the other guy. It seemed to me the played was designed to drag him away from the throw but he didn't bite.
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everyone so salty that i said eli isnt playing good football lmfao.
nobody blamed him for loss, just said he isnt playing great....god if someone talks bad about eli here, people freak out
it's the same crap every week. you can't say anything about Eli. it's never his fault...
it's getting sad really...
ddidnt even blame him for loss, simple said, i think he hasnt been great this year. lots of missed throws. that INT was HUGE in terms of momentum today
This is the number 1 seed in the NFC we just played.
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We need the new GM to do just like Reese did to rebuild the defense .....
With the additions of Jackrabbit & Snacks
(1) Rebuild the offensive line (via draft and/or free agents)
(2) Trade for or draft a first tier complimentary receiver opposite OBJ
What today's game proved to me that despite our abysmal record, it's NOT time to "throw out the baby with the bath water".
Philly is one of the top three teams in the NFL, and we came within one play of beating them.
They gave up 34 points to a backup QB.
That's a little misleading -- special teams and offense contributed quite a bit to the Eagles offense numbers today.
the insane part is i was NEVER EVER in the blame eli group. im still not killing him as some do, but i certainly believe he is average at best. he has made some poor decisions and poor throws. loses a lot of passes high
Sometimes you have to give credit to the other guy. It seemed to me the played was designed to drag him away from the throw but he didn't bite.
The receiver was covered and there were two LBs bracketing him. The ball should never have been thrown.
I’m using this play as an illustration. It’s just one play but I see play after play today where Eli was making errors.
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I would lay off the personal invective with Eli. He’s one of the greats to wear the uniform. Which is good for him because if he wasn’t he’d have a good chance of being benched with his play lately.
the insane part is i was NEVER EVER in the blame eli group. im still not killing him as some do, but i certainly believe he is average at best. he has made some poor decisions and poor throws. loses a lot of passes high
he played well enough to win.
BleedBlue : 4:39 pm : link : reply
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You got backups running poor routes with no running game
a system that does not match a pocket passer skills .
There were a couple of runs today that a top notch RB
takes to the house both times it was a Darkwa carry even
when the do a decent job opening a hole there is no threat
to break off a good play .
The Int was on the route run by the WR does anyone watch other games that every QB in the league makes some questionable throws ot picks .
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
You're an idiot.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
You're an idiot.
they got the call upstairs to preserve draft position...paid Hart extra for the false start
agree jets...
BleedBlue : 4:39 pm : link : reply
In comment 13744459 section125 said:
You got backups running poor routes with no running game
a system that does not match a pocket passer skills .
There were a couple of runs today that a top notch RB
takes to the house both times it was a Darkwa carry even
when the do a decent job opening a hole there is no threat
to break off a good play .
The Int was on the route run by the WR does anyone watch other games that every QB in the league makes some questionable throws ot picks .
It was a bad pass, thrown to the wrong side of the receiver which allowed the DB to break on the ball.
I'd rather Gallman get the majority of the touches, he can break one. Darkwa fights hard for yards, but often misreads the hole and has no speed.
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Sometimes you have to give credit to the other guy. It seemed to me the played was designed to drag him away from the throw but he didn't bite.
The receiver was covered and there were two LBs bracketing him. The ball should never have been thrown.
I’m using this play as an illustration. It’s just one play but I see play after play today where Eli was making errors.
Reading comp?
The LB who almost made the int made a great read. He wasn't part of the "bracket" but ended up being so because of not biting and making a hell of a read/react to what he saw IMO.
Eli was damn good today.
Yes bad route. Need to come back to the ball
2-gallman is a player.
3-The talent gap in NFC is very tight. Those proclaiming a massive rebuild is needed just seem silly to me. This team can get turned around very quickly.
4-Eli played good today. The fanboy usual suspects will point out his yards as evidence of some all time great game but he's still making a lot of errant throws he should be hitting and a few balls that should have been picked. He has earned right to start next year but for every start like this he puts up a meh game and occasionally a bad clunker.
- teams know to key on Engram and he is still killing it. Will be fun to watch him play with Odell next year.
- That said, they need a possession receiver, basically a bully on the outside. What Marshall was intended for.
- Gallman looking like a good pick.
- Still need another back.
- No idea what to make of Flowers. He holds up but his technique still sucks.
- Our linebackers are ATROCIOUS. D-Line did not get blown back for the most part but no one comes up and makes plays.
- That said, our lack of pressure on passing downs is mindblowing. Even with all the money at DE, we still need to either consider signing a pass rush specialist or using a decently high pick on one...yeah i know, we have tons of other needs. Its still one of our biggest.
- People seem to either want to bash Eli or coddle him. Is it possible to fall into the middle? Pretty good game, not a ton of mistakes BUT they always seem to occur at critical points.
- Liked Thompson coming out...we need a competition at FS. Sink or swim in his 3rd year.
- Tom Quinn...oof
- Who was our last decent return man? Hixon? Can we finally use a 6th or 7th round pick on someone that can get us some yards in the return game?
Biggest takeaway: They should give away Prozac to fans before the games.
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was on Lewis.
Eli was damn good today.
Agreed. He also rounded off the route and was terrible coming out of his break.
Yes bad route. Need to come back to the ball
Draft an ol with first rd pick and go from there
Yes, should have broken down to get set and then make the tackle or at least delay him a second or so. Bad tackling.
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was on Lewis.
Eli was damn good today.
Yes bad route. Need to come back to the ball
Wrong. Bad throw. DB broke on the ball before the receiver came out of his break and the ball was thrown to the wrong side of the receiver = outside shoulder where the DB was in coverage. If that ball was to the inside, it may have been caught and definitely not INT.
Eli played like old Eli. Lots of mistakes, lots of greatness.
Defense played like shit.
Special teams played like shit.
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We need the new GM to do just like Reese did to rebuild the defense .....
With the additions of Jackrabbit & Snacks
(1) Rebuild the offensive line (via draft and/or free agents)
(2) Trade for or draft a first tier complimentary receiver opposite OBJ
What today's game proved to me that despite our abysmal record, it's NOT time to "throw out the baby with the bath water".
Philly is one of the top three teams in the NFL, and we came within one play of beating them.
They gave up 34 points to a backup QB.
That's a little misleading -- special teams and offense contributed quite a bit to the Eagles offense numbers today.
Well, it's also misleading to posit that the Giants "played the eagles close" when their starting QB didn't play. That team is 11-2 for a reason.
And he was right.
Plus, he can't block, either. The Eagle who blocked the punt was Thompson's responsibility.
Yet another Reese / Ross 3rd round major miss.
And he was right.
Plus, he can't block, either. The Eagle who blocked the punt was Thompson's responsibility.
Yet another Reese / Ross 3rd round major miss.
The block was because he was too close to the line at the snap and he could not see the stunt. If he was back 2 or three yards, he sees the open man come through the line. Blame the coach for poor positioning.
Eli looked better than he has since the first month of the season when he still had Odell.
I dreaded coming onto BBI as I expected to see 9,000 DROP DEAD TOM QUINN threads. There's only 1 though. The special teams was truly an abomination.
Wayne Gallman continues to show that there are yards to be gained behind even this crappy offensive line if a guy has speed and vision. He's a keeper, but we need another guy who can blend that speed and vision with some power.
I really hope Odell comes back strong so we can see him with EE and SS. Odell just turned 25 years-old five weeks ago and is the oldest of the 3 players.
Not worthy of Eli? Spartacus?
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Eli was damn good today.
Yes bad route. Need to come back to the ball
Wrong. Bad throw. DB broke on the ball before the receiver came out of his break and the ball was thrown to the wrong side of the receiver = outside shoulder where the DB was in coverage. If that ball was to the inside, it may have been caught and definitely not INT.
Sorry but I completely disagree, and so does Carl a Banks.
Shit route by Lewis,bad coming out of his break by rounding off and then not breaking towards the ball.. If he does those things,it's at worst an incomplete pass.
But the idea that the Giants should not draft a quarterback should go away.
Eli is going to be 38 years old next season! It doesn't matter if he is still a franchise quarterback or not. The Giants are probably going to be in position to draft their next franchise quarterback, you don't know when that will happen again.
The idea that the draft is a crap shoot, so let's stay with Eli is silly.
Was it a crap shoot for Wentz, or Watson? If you think there is a pretty good chance a quarterback that you think can play is there when you pick, you have to take him.
The loyalty to Eli is fine, I get it. I was probably the same way for Simms.
But you don't spend a #2 overall pick drafting someone that will help Eli be better if there is a quarterback there.
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was on Lewis.
Eli was damn good today.
Yes bad route. Need to come back to the ball
Wrong. Bad throw. DB broke on the ball before the receiver came out of his break and the ball was thrown to the wrong side of the receiver = outside shoulder where the DB was in coverage. If that ball was to the inside, it may have been caught and definitely not INT.
Well Banks and Papa on the radio beg to differ...
You do realize that ball is thrown to a spot and the WR has to win that route...??
Nick Foles playing for the Giants and Eli playing for the Eagles, today ...
It's not even close, Eli's Eagles would have put up 50. And Foles' Giants, "fo-git-about-it"
Come-to-think-of-it ; If I was the Eagles' GM, I'd try to steal Eli from the Giants, for say, a 3rd round draft pick. With the team, they have (which is every bit as good as the Giants teams that Eli took to the SB), he could veery well beat Tom Terrific for a 3rd time.
Right now, the Giants are hurting everywhere - defense, offense, special teams, but offense, especially.
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Sorry but I completely disagree, and so does Carl a Banks.
Shit route by Lewis,bad coming out of his break by rounding off and then not breaking towards the ball.. If he does those things,it's at worst an incomplete pass.
Banks is wrong. Watch the play. Ball to outside shoulder toward the DB. DB was breaking before the WR. If the pass was thrown inside it is caught or incomplete. You can't beat a DB to the ball if he is breaking on it before you are out of your break, plus it is thrown to the wrong side of the break.
Brady is 40 and has better personnel around him. We have to take advantage of this dismissal season to bring in several players who will bolster the O-line and then get a running back like an Alvin Kamara. We do not need another understudy QB. What is the concern that Webb was a third rd pick? Prescott was a second round pick. Brady was a sixth round pick. There is no bible that says you must draft a QB in Rd one if you have the second pick.The last time we had the second pick in rd one we drafted Lawrence Taylor.
Some brief observations. Eli is neither as good as his apologists say or as bad as the haters think, but he can no longer carry a team with this many holes and has not been able to produce that 4th quarter magic for some time. Some incredible throws at first then the inexplicable throw and back and forth.
The secondary is horrible and it's as much the big names, Apple and Thompson, as the street free agents.
Gallman is a workhorse. Darkwa runs hard and deserves to come back if he wants to be a part of this shit show.
Hart is not worth playing. Just let Wheeler play.
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Brady is 40 and has better personnel around him. We have to take advantage of this dismissal season to bring in several players who will bolster the O-line and then get a running back like an Alvin Kamara. We do not need another understudy QB. What is the concern that Webb was a third rd pick? Prescott was a second round pick. Brady was a sixth round pick. There is no bible that says you must draft a QB in Rd one if you have the second pick.The last time we had the second pick in rd one we drafted Lawrence Taylor.
You have no idea how to build a team. The Giants haven't picked this high since 2004. Who says a rookie QB won't help us on the field next year? Do you see how Wentz or Goff performed this year in their 2nd season? Should the Rams and Eagles have passed on them because they might struggle year one? Also if there was a Lawrence Taylor in this draft that would change things but there is no consensus top position player or lineman in this draft. Great let's place all our future hope on Webb because Tom Brady and Prescott made it. You failed to mention the hundreds of other QB's picked after round 1 that didn't become starters.
Agreed. I actually like what I see on a team level with Spags at the helm. I will also say this shocks me.
37 TDs, 12 INTs.
Rosen UCLA (11 games) 26 TDs, 10 INTs
Goff at Cal (2015) - 43 TDs, 13 INTs
Wentz ND State (2015) - 17 TDs, 4 INTs
So .... just looking at those stats, I'd say, only Goff stands out (with Webb a solid 2nd best). Webb is ALREADY here.
My recommendation - Give Webb a solid O-line (like the Eagles & Rams have); a solid running game (like the Eagles & Rams have); decent receivers (like the Eagles & Rams have).
When all that's done, I'd say, it's even money who's better, Rosen or Webb.( I'd go with Webb)
not even a question, we should be moving on from Eli. that throw doesnt even give engram a chance at the end, he had some time today and made some seriously poor throws including that momentum turning INT.
I have been in the eli defending camp forever, i am officially in the its time to move on group
THIS is the game that sends you over the edge on eli? This one? Eli was the only reason the Giants had a pulse in the 4th. And this coming from someone who has no problem taking Eli to task for his subpar play.
Give Eli a running game and he will deliver. They ran the ball pretty well today and should have scored 30 plus despite the pass pro being shit for most of the day. Surprise.
37 TDs, 12 INTs.
Rosen UCLA (11 games) 26 TDs, 10 INTs
Goff at Cal (2015) - 43 TDs, 13 INTs
Wentz ND State (2015) - 17 TDs, 4 INTs
So .... just looking at those stats, I'd say, only Goff stands out (with Webb a solid 2nd best). Webb is ALREADY here.
My recommendation - Give Webb a solid O-line (like the Eagles & Rams have); a solid running game (like the Eagles & Rams have); decent receivers (like the Eagles & Rams have).
When all that's done, I'd say, it's even money who's better, Rosen or Webb.( I'd go with Webb)
Judging QB's by their stats in college means little when they get to the pro's. Former Giant Josh Johnson had 43 Touchdown's and 1 interception in his final collegiate season.
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Sorry but I completely disagree, and so does Carl a Banks.
Shit route by Lewis,bad coming out of his break by rounding off and then not breaking towards the ball.. If he does those things,it's at worst an incomplete pass.
Banks is wrong. Watch the play. Ball to outside shoulder toward the DB. DB was breaking before the WR. If the pass was thrown inside it is caught or incomplete. You can't beat a DB to the ball if he is breaking on it before you are out of your break, plus it is thrown to the wrong side of the break.
I think maybe you might want to go watch it again. The reason the DB got such a great break on the ball is because Lewis had such a shitty one.. If he runs a crisp route there, not to mention not even attacking the ball, no way the DB beats him to the ball. A WR can't round off his route and allow the DB to get inside/under him.
37/620 = 6% of his attempts were TDs
12/620 = 2% of his attempts were INTs
Rosen's accuracy (2017)
451 attempts, 282 completions = 62.5%
26/451 = 6% of his attempts were TDs
10/451 = 2% of his attempts were INTs
Pretty much the same player, I'd say ... except Webb is here and just cost us a #3 (87th overall); Rosen may cost us a #3 overall.
The University of San Diego (notSan Diego State); big difference with Rosen and Webb who played in the PAC-12.
Let's not forget Romo was a street free agent.
37/620 = 6% of his attempts were TDs
12/620 = 2% of his attempts were INTs
Rosen's accuracy (2017)
451 attempts, 282 completions = 62.5%
26/451 = 6% of his attempts were TDs
10/451 = 2% of his attempts were INTs
Pretty much the same player, I'd say ... except Webb is here and just cost us a #3 (87th overall); Rosen may cost us a #3 overall.
60-65% of Webb's passes were within 10 yards of the LOS. But he throws a very nice deep ball. People who question his accuracy need to remember that he wasn't required to make a lot of throws or reads to the second and third levels. That's why the adjustment to the NFL is so great for him. Aside from the speed of the game, he has to learn to make those throws and reads, and play under center.
My guess is a new GM drafts his own QB. I could see Webb being traded on draft day. Splitting reps between Eli, a #1 QB, and Webb is silly.
That Eli throws a high ball ? - After 13 years ?
That is totally amazing to me. I recall a lot of people making all kinds of excuses for him back-in-the-day - that it was his receivers that sucked.
That is just him, I just learn to live with it because he's delivered a lot of great wins and two championships (and is STILL good enough to gives at least one more)
I sure hope so!
That Eli throws a high ball ? - After 13 years ?
That is totally amazing to me. I recall a lot of people making all kinds of excuses for him back-in-the-day - that it was his receivers that sucked.
That is just him, I just learn to live with it because he's delivered a lot of great wins and two championships (and is STILL good enough to gives at least one more)
Yes he’s delivered a lot of good wins as obvious as 2 SB and he will be in the hall of fame I appreciate that and am just more or less ranting in what has become a nightmare season but the bottom line is if he makes about 4 passes that he used to make yesterday they go home with a win ..... Eli only has 6 4th quarter comebacks in the last what 6 years he can’t take a team all the way anymore it would have to be the dream team so enjoy the last 2 years of Eli’s Carreer
Stay in #2 spot.
How sweet it is!
100 percent. Good game. Eli looked great and we held onto the 2 spot. Life is good
Absolutely, what an embarrassment the ST's are, no return game, poor coverage teams and lousy punting at the worst times.
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Prescott was drafted 135th. in the 4th round - of course Dallas gets a non-premium QB from a smaller school in the 4th round that comes in and can light it up as a rookie and into his 2nd year - bastids don't even have to sweat out this 1st or 2nd pick overall shit to gamble on the QB of the future- a freakin rookie that is the real deal from nowhere -how can that be possible on the worst of despicable teams?
Let's not forget Romo was a street free agent.
Not to mention a Parcells find, I believe.
back for the ball .
The missed throw at the end of the game your telling me
that Engram has a 6" vertical jump ? The defender grabbed
his right arm so he couldn't elevate to make the game winning catch a throw that has to be high or its a simple
PD !
The ST is what killed us. I honestly think Adams is better than Thompson at FS.
The ST is what killed us. I honestly think Adams is better than Thompson at FS.
ST are ridiculously bad. Again. And man do I agree about Thompson, he’s been terrible! The book on him was that he was a ball hawk but that ain’t the case in the NFL. I thought Adams really over achieved last season and that’s not something we’ve seen too much of from the Giants in recent years. Thompson is the only real change in the defensive backfield this year. Wonder if Adams was a guy who brought more to the unit than just sticks and tackles?
SteveMD
Nah.
After next week from Arizona.
SteveMD
give Webb the fourth quarters