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Observations from the stadium today

nygfaninorlando : 12/24/2017 9:14 pm
I don't think the outcome of today's game was a surprise to anyone with the team we fielded. 18 players on injured reserve and 10+ non-NFL caliber players taking meaningful snaps today. However, I was fortunate enough to get some great seats and spend Xmas eve at an NFL game with 2 of my sons. Here are some things that caught my attention (and maybe couldn't be seen on tv) from seats behind the Giants bench.

1) Something is clearly not right with Eli Apple and his relationship with the rest of the team. If you didn't know any better you would think the entire team was allergic to him. He only played today on punt return (got called for a holding penalty) and didn't even sit with the other members of the secondary when they were on the sideline. He sat by himself on the bench most of the game, every once in awhile Nate Berhe would come over to him, but that was it. Seemed like everyone else purposely avoided him. Not sure how this is going to go next year for him, but clearly something needs to change. A top 10 pick can't even get in a game for a 2-12 team over street free agents signed over the past month.

2) Team needs to move on from non-winning and non-effort players. From what I saw today, Roger Lewis, Aldrick Rosas, Bobby Hart and Brad Wing fall into this category. Lewis for all the time he's spent getting reps with Eli this season still isn't on the same page and has too many drops and bobbles. Several times he ran the wrong route causing Eli to throw up his hands. First series of the 2H, Eli throws a 2 year pass to a spot on the left sideline and Lewis is running a fly 20 yards down the field. Too many drops, bobbles, etc. Rosas was a good story in training camp, but clearly not an NFL kicker. Can't miss 30 yard field goals as he's done repeatedly. Bobby Hart, the self proclaimed best RT in the NFL will be lucky to be on an NFL roster next year. Continually over matched and doesn't look like he caress at all on the field. Brad Wing, aside from having a crappy year, it pissed me off after the game watching him sprint to the middle of the field to greet his fellow LSU alum Tyrann Mathieu and share some laughs after his team got shut out and embarrassed yet again.

3) Say what you will about JPP, but from what I saw he gave great effort today. Just a shame that he can't wrap up and use that hand with a club on it. He was visibly upset coming off the field of the effort the team was putting forth. I think a new coach that can motivate him can do wonders for him. Snacks and Landon Collins are the heart and soul of this team and play hard every snap. Hopefully they heal up in the off season and are part of a turnaround in 2018.

There is still talent on this team and I think we can compete again next year with the right coach in place, a solid draft and some smart FA pickups.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/24/2017 9:17 pm : link
Nice post! Thanks for sharing.
great report!  
Steve in South Jersey : 12/24/2017 9:19 pm : link
thanks for posting!
Nice post  
trueblueinpw : 12/24/2017 9:19 pm : link
Merry Christmas to you and your boys in Zona. Pretty interesting about Apple. No idea how things wind up with that guy but he’s really fortunate that an entirely new coaching and front office is coming in. He’ll get a reset and some time in the off season and I bet he comes back as a decent player. I’m not givining up on the youngster just yet.

Thanks for the info  
Gman11 : 12/24/2017 9:25 pm : link
Sorry you had to sit through that shit show.
A welcome post  
CT Charlie : 12/24/2017 9:26 pm : link
at this time of year, and at this point in the season. Clear-eyed insight and a dollop of hope. I'm with you, hopeful that we can find the right coaches and hit plenty of doubles and maybe a HR or two in the draft.
Roger Lewis can't and won't catch the ball when he's about to get hit  
djm : 12/24/2017 9:32 pm : link
Or while he's getting hit. Won't do it. Can't do it. He can get open. That's all roger Lewis can do.
Thanks for the post, but the bit about Wing  
RDJR : 12/24/2017 9:53 pm : link
is over the top. It’s a job. Yes it’s about winning and losing, but 2-13 makes players numb. Greeting an old college pal at midfield and being happy to see him is the least of our worries.
Wing  
Marty866b : 12/24/2017 10:54 pm : link
I have no problem with his rushing to see his college teammates. My problem with him is that he sucks.
There might be a fine line  
short lease : 12/24/2017 11:11 pm : link
between not enough effort ... and not enough talent to play in the NFL.
RE: There might be a fine line  
old man : 12/24/2017 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13753793 short lease said:
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between not enough effort ... and not enough talent to play in the NFL.


True. But in the case of the '17 Giants: too much of both.
Eli's picks  
jbeintherockies : 12/25/2017 12:03 am : link
Thanks for posting. You definitely get a different perspective while at the game.

What are your thoughts on Eli's two interceptions?
Arm strength  
jbeintherockies : 12/25/2017 12:04 am : link
Also, did it appear Eli has lost arm strength?
The first pick  
nygfaninorlando : 12/25/2017 1:27 am : link
was a pretty good ball put in a good spot by Eli but Engram short armed it leading to the interception. The second pick was hard to see from my vantage point so don't want to comment one way or the other. I can tell you arm strength for Eli is not the issue. When he has time to step into his throws, he has plenty of zip on it. Problem is that he hardly has time to get to his 2nd read before the pocket gets collapsed in his face. Teams know they can get home against us whenever they need to and game plan us accordingly.

Looking around the league seeing guys like Case Keenan, Jared Goff and Alex Smith leading playoff bound teams, there's no doubt in my mind Eli still has the arm strength to still win games and get back to the playoffs. However, fixing the OL needs to be the priority.

A couple other observations from the game that I meant to mention earlier.

1) Rhett Ellison has good rapport with Eli and should be more involved next year. We know he's a good blocker but anytime the ball is thrown his way, he shows good hands and almost never goes down on first contact. I'd like to see more 2 TE sets next year with he and Engram on the field along with OBJ and Shepard.

2) DRC took some grief earlier this year with the suspension and stuff but watching him today, he was hustling on every play on defense and special teams. Showed no quit out there. Several times he was down the field quickly on punt coverage causing Peterson to fair catch the ball. He also appears to be playing more safety. Maybe that was due to Collins injury today but I'd bring him back next year for both CB and Safety depth. Cockrell is another player playing with good effort from what I saw today and would like to see him back next year.
Maybe Apple was the source of  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/25/2017 10:29 am : link
The leak and they all alienated him. Not just for that but all the other stupid shit he’s done through out the season .
You can criticize Hart's ability  
section125 : 12/25/2017 10:43 am : link
without a doubt. But he plays hard every down. He just is not good.

Also, people scream about JPPs effort here, but "Stink" Schlereth on the telecast said he plays hard every down. He's not the most complimentary commentator toward Giants but went out of his way to point out JPPs effort.

I think they are all playing hard, they just suck. Yesterday was one of the few times you could see shoulders sag. Eli was the most obvious. Not often you could see resignation in Eli's body language. You could see it in Flowers body language also in the 4th quarter.

Glad you got to take the kids to a game. That is the important thing.
Concur about Eli Apple.  
MOOPS : 12/25/2017 12:26 pm : link
Whenever the D was on the sidelines, Apple moved as far away from the other players as possible, generally standing by himself.
When the D was on the field he would wander back towards the cooler or the seats, but the only other player he interacted with at all was Berhe. And that wasn't often.
Berhe also semed like a lost soul on the sidelines, maybe thinking that his time in NY was just about over.
What bothers me about the Apple situation  
Matt M. : 12/25/2017 2:12 pm : link
is how Spags explained the 2 young DEs sitting. He said it was because we were so thin at DB and we had guys essentially off the street dressing. But, yet Eli was dressed and barely played. IF he isn't going to play, then don't dress him.
Hart is a backup  
Vanzetti : 12/25/2017 11:56 pm : link
He is like Marshall Newhouse. He is good enough to make someone's roster for a few years but not good enough to be a genuine starter.
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