http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2018
As per above we are in the middle of the pack re: Cap and have almost no dead money. This looks like an opportune time to cut a slew of players.
Here's my list of who I'd cut, being mindful it's a business, and these cuts are just about economics at this point. I'll stack rack them in order of who I would cut 1st.
1) Marshall -Net ~$4mm [$1mm Dead / $5mm Space]
2) DRC -Net ~6.5mm [$2mm Dead / $6.5 mm Space]
3) Hart -Net ~0.7mm [$17k Dead / $.75 mm Space]
4) Harris -Net ~0.8mm [$1.6 mm Dead / $2.4 mm Space]
5) Armstrong-Net ~1.25mm [$0 Dead / $1.25 mm Space]
6) Deoisse -Net ~1mm [$0 Dead / $1mm Space]
I understand $4.5mm in dead money raising the total to $5mm sucks but it frees up ~$13.25mm in cap.
Then the big decision is Manning. Do we go another year with Eli? He's counting against the cap anyway. If I were to release him, it's less about cap relief and more about time to move on. If anyone would trade something for him I'd do it, but the hit is still the hit. Economically speaking, it seems freeing up another $10mm and eating that cap hit is maybe just 1 year to early. There is no doubt Eli won't renegotiate his deal. And there is no doubt he will be cut or traded in '19 if not now.
I choose to take the hit now. If i can get a pick great. Otherwise, i end this chapter maybe a tad early, but I'd rather do that then wait.
So all in $~17.5mm in dead money. freeing up $23mm in Cap space and $50mm in cap space total.
There are other players like Apple I would want to cut but the economics are really bad in that case.
Not DeOssie unless its skills warrant it. 1m for a LS is about right or slightly over what they cost.
DRC: Talk to him and maybe reduce his role and $$$ but the Apple situation ....
This team is rebuilding, but yeah, DRC is worth letting him play next year at this point. The other corners are huge question marks.
Invest in a QB!! Nothing else matters.
Other players I wouldn't resign or would cut:
Pugh.
Richburg.
Smith.
Vereen.
Raymond.
Greco.
Halapio.
Sheppard.
Ayers.
Morris.
Berhe.
I might resign some of these players:
Darkwa.
Jones.
Wynn.
Bromley.
Thomas.
I'd bring in competition for Rosas and Wing.
I'd explore some type of renegotiation with DRC. Apple's situation increases the chance that he returns.
No he doesn't. He fails miserably by not reading the premise of the thread. The thread title postulates who to cut if YOU are the GM. It is just a fun excercise, but instead we have Johnny commenting to leave it up to the real GM/Coach. Huge fucking eye roll.
DRC has been a consistent player on the D for years. Wouldn’t be a hurry to chase him even though he’s long in the tooth. Don’t think he’s particularly expensive.
Like no shit.. but thats not the point of the thread. Step away from trying to be the forum know-it-all for one moment for fucksake. You don't want to play a long then don't comment.. But Don't be a noodle and play along.
Unless you can get something for him with his consent and
I doubt he would do that I don't see a place where he
would start with an ascending team .
Cuts
Oliver Vernon production fell way off this season and has made some bad late hits in key situations .
Weston Richburg not stout at the POA with a concussion
time to move on .
Dwayne Harris injury prone another year older
Mark Herzlich great guy soon to be 31
Devon Kennard tweener whats his role ?
Bobby Hart not a tackle not a back up no upside
Roger Lewis, Jr. erratic fair special teamer drops
Orleans Darkwa scares no one very average healthissues
Shane Vereen basically a bust IMO had a decent 1st year
Justin Pugh injury prone cost too much ?
Not if that saves much
I'd try to trade Eli Apple. There has to be a little value still left.
Eli Manning is a tough call. I wait to see who declares before I make a move on Eli. If both Rosen and Darnold declare and we're picking #2 I cut him. Its only fair to Eli. He doesn't deserve having to look over his shoulder for another season.. Because you know the same fans rooting for him now will be chanting the new toys name the moment Eli starts struggling. If only one of them declare or we're sitting at #3 I probably stick with Eli another year.
just one example. is DRC still good? if so why has he not been shadowing the other teams #1 WR with Jenkins out? i happen to think he's still good, but if he is simply a part time slot defender maybe he's not worth his salary
Not DeOssie unless its skills warrant it. 1m for a LS is about right or slightly over what they cost.
DRC: Talk to him and maybe reduce his role and $$$ but the Apple situation ....
+1 on DeOssie
The Giants have been generous to Eli for his entire 14 year career, and he made a ton of money. His family is set. At this point in his career, his motivation to play is likely more for the competitive opportunity than for the money. Though, I won’t completely rule out money as his motive.
Maybe this is wishful thinking, because pro sports is such a business, but one can hope.
The Giants have been generous to Eli for his entire 14 year career, and he made a ton of money. His family is set. At this point in his career, his motivation to play is likely more for the competitive opportunity than for the money. Though, I won’t completely rule out money as his motive.
Maybe this is wishful thinking, because pro sports is such a business, but one can hope.
Either he plays it out or they cut him before 2019.
Vernon and JPP I’d keep through next year and reevaluate after the season. Hopefully the new GM will get some talent in the pipeline.
Eli depends if you draft a QB. If so, cut him and move on.
Richburg
Marshall
Harris
Fluker
Casillas
Robinson
Kennard
Behre
Bromley
DRC
Darkwa
That's 12 guys to replace. That's a lot. Figure maybe Powe takes a WR spot and Bisnowaty an OL spot. That is still ten guys to replace with only 6 draft picks. Really 5 if they go QB.
So this will be a very different team next year.
Also, if they do go with Gettleman, he seems to have a good track record signing midpriced free agents.
Marshall and Harris are no brainers.
After that, it's arguable on a couple more. you're mostly just exchanging them (and the lower ticket guys) for similar priced guys and hoping for better production. you can nickel and dime your way to a couple million savings. The main improvement will come with a better eye for talent and better coaching.
Eli: I would release him. We're not likely to be a winning team next year with or without him, and from a sentimental POV, I wouldn't want to put him through the same, or worse, shit that he went through this year. Every loss is going to bring out the boo birds clamoring for Webb or a newly drafted QB. I'd rather save significant dollars by bringing in a Geno to take the brunt of the emotional abuse. emotionally, I'd rather the legacy be like Simms where we bitch about management for ditching him rather than having us bitch about Eli for staying too long.
Marshall and Harris are no brainers.
After that, it's arguable on a couple more. you're mostly just exchanging them (and the lower ticket guys) for similar priced guys and hoping for better production. you can nickel and dime your way to a couple million savings. The main improvement will come with a better eye for talent and better coaching.
Eli: I would release him. We're not likely to be a winning team next year with or without him, and from a sentimental POV, I wouldn't want to put him through the same, or worse, shit that he went through this year. Every loss is going to bring out the boo birds clamoring for Webb or a newly drafted QB. I'd rather save significant dollars by bringing in a Geno to take the brunt of the emotional abuse. emotionally, I'd rather the legacy be like Simms where we bitch about management for ditching him rather than having us bitch about Eli for staying too long.
I don't get the posts calling for DeOssie cut. He is still among the best at what he does and saves them next to nothing. Why not keep him?
DRC would depend on their vision for next year. If they make the right moves and try to compete (I think they can actually be a serious contender), a guy like DRC is very valuable, especially considering they are a little thin at CB.
Hart? It saves them almost nothing. However, there is no way I would have him even compete for a starting spot. That said, if they make the right moves on the OL, it would make more sense if he was a camp casualty.
In a perfect world, I'd rather keep Eli as mentor (that's assuming something we don't know - that Eli is a quality mentor - he very well may be, but that's an assumption), but I'm not as optimistic as you about a successful team season next year, which puts Eli squarely in the middle of a QB controversy shit show.
In a perfect world, I'd rather keep Eli as mentor (that's assuming something we don't know - that Eli is a quality mentor - he very well may be, but that's an assumption), but I'm not as optimistic as you about a successful team season next year, which puts Eli squarely in the middle of a QB controversy shit show.
There are indications he is a good mentor. He is among the smartest QBs in the league and one of the most diligent in the film room and has been very willing to share his knowledge with Webb, for example.
First, I cut guys that you just can win with due to performance: Hart, Jerry, and probably Rosas. Sadly, this may also mean Eli. Not his fault, but he's not built for this team at this stage, and it's time to move on. Tear off the bandaid, turn the page and free up his high salary sooner rather than later. Dead money be damned.
Next I get rid of guys that just can't stay on the field. Sorry, but if you can't be relied on, you gotta go. You're coach killers. Get healthy and good luck. So, Richberg and Goodson are two OK players that come to mind immediately. I'd also cut Apple. His hip/brain injury coupled with his inability to play the ball in the air make him just unreliable. Don't need it here for the future. Cut bait.
Finally, I publicly execute Coach Quinn at Mid Field. Just a long overdue sacrifice to the football gods to turn around our ST woes.