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nyjuggernaut2 : 1/1/2018 3:47 pm
Just listened to his media session today. Whether he's in the Giants long term plans or not, sounds a lot like Eli in the way he presents himself.
I just wish  
mrvax : 1/1/2018 3:50 pm : link
we had some way to know how he's progressed this year. Total ? now.
RE: I just wish  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/1/2018 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13766051 mrvax said:
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we had some way to know how he's progressed this year. Total ? now.


Yeah it's unfortunate.
While  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/1/2018 4:04 pm : link
we the fans, havenít seen him or can evaluate him, the staff can. They havenít seen him play in a game, but they know a ton more about him than the QBs in this upcoming draft. If they feel he is the future, I trust that more than scouting reports on this upcoming class.
Whatever  
AcidTest : 1/1/2018 4:05 pm : link
happens in the draft, it's impossible not to be impressed with Webb. His work ethic and maturity are phenomenal. I also think there's a reasonable chance the Giants don't draft a QB. We have a lot of holes, and Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are all flawed.
....and for them not to comment on that  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/1/2018 4:06 pm : link
Now is the perfect play if they want to trade out of #2
RE: Whatever  
Jim in Tampa : 1/1/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13766080 AcidTest said:
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happens in the draft, it's impossible not to be impressed with Webb. His work ethic and maturity are phenomenal. I also think there's a reasonable chance the Giants don't draft a QB. We have a lot of holes, and Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are all flawed.


Almost every prospect is flawed if you look hard enough.

Perceived flaws caused Marino and Rodgers to drop into the 20s when earlier reports had them going in the top 5 in their respective drafts.

Giants will draft a QB in RD 1...because it's going to be tough to compete in that division without one.
RE: Whatever  
richinpa : 1/1/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13766080 AcidTest said:
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happens in the draft, it's impossible not to be impressed with Webb. His work ethic and maturity are phenomenal. I also think there's a reasonable chance the Giants don't draft a QB. We have a lot of holes, and Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are all flawed.



I think we see all college QBs have flaws...just how big they are is what is the issue I agree with you that I am leaning towards also them not drafting a QB

While being at #2 is when you have to take a chance at a QB when the opportunity presents itself and your QB is 37 but can't seem to get onboard with the performances I have seen with the Darnold or Rosen I havent seen Allen enough in more than just 1 game.
I have watched a bunch of PSU games and Barkely is a stud and I know you don't get a RB at #2 but he isn't an ordinary RB. Him and ODell would be 2 super athletes that we just need to build an OL around at least for next year.

If the Browns take Allen has has been rumored  
Blue21 : 1/1/2018 4:27 pm : link
then the Giants need to take a chance with Darnold. Took much talent there not too. Then let Webb and Darnold compete.
Blue21  
joeinpa : 1/1/2018 4:42 pm : link
Exactly
I think Rosen is the highest floor QB in the draft  
Vanzetti : 1/1/2018 4:56 pm : link
He is not guaranteed to be a great NFL quarterback because there are no sure things but he has the lowest bust factor by far among the QBs. However, the concussions are a concern, especially given his background. I could definitely see him walking away from the game if he gets another concussion. And I would not blame him one bit but it has to be factored in.
RE: RE: Whatever  
WillVAB : 1/1/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13766101 Jim in Tampa said:
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happens in the draft, it's impossible not to be impressed with Webb. His work ethic and maturity are phenomenal. I also think there's a reasonable chance the Giants don't draft a QB. We have a lot of holes, and Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are all flawed.



Almost every prospect is flawed if you look hard enough.

Perceived flaws caused Marino and Rodgers to drop into the 20s when earlier reports had them going in the top 5 in their respective drafts.

Giants will draft a QB in RD 1...because it's going to be tough to compete in that division without one.


Whatís so insurmountable about the QBs in the division?

Cousins ó foolís gold
Dak ó exposed as a one read donk QB
Wentz ó mobile QB coming off a torn ACL
RE: I think Rosen is the highest floor QB in the draft  
batman11 : 1/1/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13766194 Vanzetti said:
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He is not guaranteed to be a great NFL quarterback because there are no sure things but he has the lowest bust factor by far among the QBs. However, the concussions are a concern, especially given his background. I could definitely see him walking away from the game if he gets another concussion. And I would not blame him one bit but it has to be factored in.


Not to mention that his Dad is a spine-surgeon, who I would expect would advise him to stop playing if he has further head injuries.
Jeff Hostetler won a SB  
Bluesbreaker : 1/1/2018 5:09 pm : link
Why can't Webb .....
Trade down if we can still get get Barkley  
Reale01 : 1/1/2018 5:14 pm : link
OBJ, Barkley, Engram, Shepard is a good young core for the offense.

Solid reserves at RB and TE.

Roll the dice with Eli and Webb for 2018

Focus the rest of the draft BPAs OL, LB, DL, S

Use FA to get a couple veteran OL and another WR

I hope the new regime rehab Apple and Flowers as they have talent.

Offensive line
Start by resigning Fluker for RG
Move Flowers to RT
That would give us a large strong mean right side.

Wheeler at LT
Jones at Center.

Try to IMPROVE ALL through FA and draft.


RE: RE: RE: Whatever  
Jim in Tampa : 1/1/2018 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13766198 WillVAB said:
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happens in the draft, it's impossible not to be impressed with Webb. His work ethic and maturity are phenomenal. I also think there's a reasonable chance the Giants don't draft a QB. We have a lot of holes, and Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are all flawed.



Almost every prospect is flawed if you look hard enough.

Perceived flaws caused Marino and Rodgers to drop into the 20s when earlier reports had them going in the top 5 in their respective drafts.

Giants will draft a QB in RD 1...because it's going to be tough to compete in that division without one.



Whatís so insurmountable about the QBs in the division?

Cousins ó foolís gold
Dak ó exposed as a one read donk QB
Wentz ó mobile QB coming off a torn ACL


You've convinced me!

Wentz will never be the same, all the other QBs in the division and for that matter then NFL suck and the Giants will win multiple Super Bowls without a good QB.

Why waste a draft pick on a top college QB when they've got a 3rd RD clipboard holder waiting in the wings?
I get a huge chuckle out of everybody absolutely  
DonnieD89 : 1/1/2018 5:51 pm : link
Stating that Webb is not a consideration for the heir apparent to Eli. None of us know where Webb is at. The staff only knows and we will only know during the draft where the Giants will stand at QB . I wouldnít be surprised if he is in the plans and the Giants donít select a QB in round 1 or 2 for that matter. I would wait and see for us before making an absolute statements that we need a QB in this draft. The draft is used to build for the future and it involves multiple positions.
When it comes to QB  
UberAlias : 1/1/2018 6:05 pm : link
Roll the dice is a horrible strategy. Jets have been rolling the dice for years. People must forget what itís like not having a franchise QB. It ainít pretty except in years where you get lucky and a lot of other things come together. The importance of QB is far and away more important than any other position. Itís the most important position in all of sports. Yet poster after poster here want to employ similar strategy at QB this team has been following for OLine. Good grief.
RE: RE: Whatever  
AcidTest : 1/1/2018 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13766101 Jim in Tampa said:
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happens in the draft, it's impossible not to be impressed with Webb. His work ethic and maturity are phenomenal. I also think there's a reasonable chance the Giants don't draft a QB. We have a lot of holes, and Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are all flawed.



Almost every prospect is flawed if you look hard enough.

Perceived flaws caused Marino and Rodgers to drop into the 20s when earlier reports had them going in the top 5 in their respective drafts.

Giants will draft a QB in RD 1...because it's going to be tough to compete in that division without one.


The question is whether the flaws are sufficient to disqualify any of the QBs from being the #2 pick.
RE: I get a huge chuckle out of everybody absolutely  
AcidTest : 1/1/2018 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13766317 DonnieD89 said:
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Stating that Webb is not a consideration for the heir apparent to Eli. None of us know where Webb is at. The staff only knows and we will only know during the draft where the Giants will stand at QB . I wouldnít be surprised if he is in the plans and the Giants donít select a QB in round 1 or 2 for that matter. I would wait and see for us before making an absolute statements that we need a QB in this draft. The draft is used to build for the future and it involves multiple positions.


Agreed. Nobody knows what the Giants think of Webb.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Whatever  
WillVAB : 1/1/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13766262 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13766101 Jim in Tampa said:


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happens in the draft, it's impossible not to be impressed with Webb. His work ethic and maturity are phenomenal. I also think there's a reasonable chance the Giants don't draft a QB. We have a lot of holes, and Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are all flawed.



Almost every prospect is flawed if you look hard enough.

Perceived flaws caused Marino and Rodgers to drop into the 20s when earlier reports had them going in the top 5 in their respective drafts.

Giants will draft a QB in RD 1...because it's going to be tough to compete in that division without one.



Whatís so insurmountable about the QBs in the division?

Cousins ó foolís gold
Dak ó exposed as a one read donk QB
Wentz ó mobile QB coming off a torn ACL



You've convinced me!

Wentz will never be the same, all the other QBs in the division and for that matter then NFL suck and the Giants will win multiple Super Bowls without a good QB.

Why waste a draft pick on a top college QB when they've got a 3rd RD clipboard holder waiting in the wings?


Iíve never been a Webb truther, but to act like the rest of the division is stacked at the QB position is ridiculous.
Thanks for this thread  
Jay in Toronto : 1/1/2018 7:02 pm : link
I think this is THE question to determine our draft.

I think the Giants are smart to play this very close to the vest.

Also the fact that Reese isn't around to protect his 'ego' by overestimating Webb is a good factor.

I wonder if Eli's opinion will be important under the new regime.

All unknowns that re important and make this off-season particularly interesting.

We find out about Webb next summer.  
Red Dog : 1/1/2018 7:02 pm : link
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RE: We find out about Webb next summer.  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/1/2018 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13766459 Red Dog said:
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We find out what the Giants think of Webb on draft day.
Smart hard worker  
TMS : 1/1/2018 8:31 pm : link
with a big arm who will get his shot as the backup next year. Wish him the best.
you guys realize that we just fired Reese and Ross  
mdc1 : 1/1/2018 9:51 pm : link
and we have not heard anything about Webb and spent all his time on the practice squad.

Do you think the organization wants to communicate the truth to you that they thought Eli had 4 more years in him and that may have been optimistic. Webb from his history does some to have accomplished much in his collegiate career and is likely a project. Dude was bouncing all over the place, now he has spent an entire year learning a system that will likely go away now.
RE: RE: We find out about Webb next summer.  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2018 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13766461 Steve in South Jersey said:
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We find out what the Giants think of Webb on draft day.


+1, this is the truth. If we pass on a QB its not because we are sticking with Eli forever. Its because the team thinks Webb is as good as anyone coming out, and will be the guy of the future.
still curious  
mdc1 : 1/1/2018 10:13 pm : link
what does Webb have in his college resume that anyone can point out? Somehow I am not believing this Area51 stealth level BS about him.
RE: still curious  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2018 11:02 pm : link
In comment 13766798 mdc1 said:
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what does Webb have in his college resume that anyone can point out? Somehow I am not believing this Area51 stealth level BS about him.


In 2016, Webb completed 382 of 620 passes (62%) for 4295 yards, 37 touchdowns and twelve interceptions for a 135.63 QBR. He set school single-season records for passing attempts, completions and total plays while tying three other school records, including total touchdowns (43 (37 passing, 6 rushing)), and 300-yard passing games (10). In 2016, he was named the Golden Bear's Season MVP and won the Reese's Senior Bowl MVP award. Webb was also nominated to the College Football All-America Team, and was a semi-finalist for both the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award.

In 2013 for Texas Tech he was also the Holiday Bowl's MVP in (as a freshman) with 403 yards passing and 4 TDs. Baker Mayfield then transferred to OU.

In 2014 he was the starter for Texas Tech, but broke his foot in the 8th game. Mahomes took over and Webb ended up backing him up in 2015 before transferring.
I believe just what he learned  
NikkiMac : 1/2/2018 12:32 am : link
Playing in the elements watching Eli and being his clipboard man seeing how Eliís and the teams emotions were going in Met Life stadium is big and very valuable to this kids Growth heís already got a year in more experience than a draftee is going to have ....he will be ahead ,if Eli is here for 2 more years than this kid is good enough to not draft a QB so build the Oline and other positions and make another run at a SB I say
RE: While  
baadbill : 1/2/2018 12:55 am : link
In comment 13766075 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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we the fans, havenít seen him or can evaluate him, the staff can. They havenít seen him play in a game, but they know a ton more about him than the QBs in this upcoming draft. If they feel he is the future, I trust that more than scouting reports on this upcoming class.


What staff? Werenít they all just fired?
This is one situation where the typical response of,  
Matt M. : 1/2/2018 5:35 am : link
"they see him in practice everyday;they know what they have..." doesn't work. For one thing, it looks like these coaches will be gone. For another, they haven't seen him in practice.
RE: This is one situation where the typical response of,  
ZogZerg : 1/2/2018 6:41 am : link
In comment 13766902 Matt M. said:
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"they see him in practice everyday;they know what they have..." doesn't work. For one thing, it looks like these coaches will be gone. For another, they haven't seen him in practice.


+1
Exactly. Webb is a complete unknown and huge gamble as the Eli replacement at this point. This is why they have to go QB if they really like one of the top guys.
I thought Webb had a good year. He showed himself well sitting  
Jimmy Googs : 1/2/2018 6:51 am : link
on the far end of the bench on Sunday. Looked the part of a professional for certain.

It was far more important to see what we have in Eli Manning in his 14+ season...
RE: Trade down if we can still get get Barkley  
Beezer : 1/2/2018 7:06 am : link
In comment 13766225 Reale01 said:
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OBJ, Barkley, Engram, Shepard is a good young core for the offense.

Solid reserves at RB and TE.

Roll the dice with Eli and Webb for 2018

Focus the rest of the draft BPAs OL, LB, DL, S

Use FA to get a couple veteran OL and another WR

I hope the new regime rehab Apple and Flowers as they have talent.

Offensive line
Start by resigning Fluker for RG
Move Flowers to RT
That would give us a large strong mean right side.

Wheeler at LT
Jones at Center.

Try to IMPROVE ALL through FA and draft.



I might have written this post myself.

I agree with everything in it.

jugger ... you're cursed! :)
Beezer  
Jay in Toronto : 1/2/2018 7:30 am : link
I also like much of the post though I think that RB is not sufficient value at 2.

If there is a a partner I would trade down or else highest talent on the board regardless of position.

I think a starting RB could be gotten later and extra picks would maximize getting value (eg Wynn for LG).
RE: you guys realize that we just fired Reese and Ross  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/2/2018 8:31 am : link
In comment 13766774 mdc1 said:
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and we have not heard anything about Webb and spent all his time on the practice squad.

Do you think the organization wants to communicate the truth to you that they thought Eli had 4 more years in him and that may have been optimistic. Webb from his history does some to have accomplished much in his collegiate career and is likely a project. Dude was bouncing all over the place, now he has spent an entire year learning a system that will likely go away now.

He was not on the practice squad for one minute. He was on the 53-man roster all season.
DG will make this call along with the new HC.  
TMS : 1/2/2018 12:54 pm : link
Think we keep ELI but if Webb is not the potential real deal we take aQB at #2.
Same here what reale said  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2018 3:26 pm : link
We can groom Webb Eli can still play grab Barkley and
shore up the O-line we take a bust QB at #2 were fucked .
Don't forget...every practice is taped!  
JohnF : 1/6/2018 6:21 pm : link
Training Camp as well. DG is going to go over not just game tape, but practice tape as well in his evaluations.

He's not just going over what the ex-coaches or current players say about Webb, or other players like Flowers, Apple, etc that he needs to make decisions on when planning for the draft.
RE: Don't forget...every practice is taped!  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2018 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13775318 JohnF said:
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Training Camp as well. DG is going to go over not just game tape, but practice tape as well in his evaluations.


But remember McAdoo said we practice great so...
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