Quarterback.
That's right fellas. Britt in VA will get his wish, and see all the Eli haters lining up at Best Buy, purchasing your new big screens, after y'all throw your remotes, beer, and mother-in-law's through your set come draft day.
I've been told this morning (leaving the source unnamed for obvious reasons) that the Giants think "VERY HIGHLY" of Davis Webb, with the hope he'd eventually lead this team, in the near future. So it's just a matter of the organization having Gettleman see what they see and adjust accordingly as they go through the process, leading up to the draft.
In 2018 we should see Eli starting with hopefully an improved o-line with Webb backing him up, learning and improving his craft, throughout the season.
So, IF this does come into to fruition, you can bet your "ass" you'll see the Eli apologists lining up on Giants Mount Rushmore, with a little message for all the Eli bashers heh...
Fuck no
He has already been in and NFL training camp and locker room for 1 year longer than any of the guys in the draft. He has spent a year with Eli in the QB room as well. Do not underestimate the importance of the experience Webb has had off the field.
And just because the 3rd round picks haven't worked out for NYG in the past 8 years doesn't mean Webb can play.
I just don't think this team is good enough to protect the investment right now.
The QB or not decision is about:
1) The new GM & HC Plans For Eli (we’ll know at March roster bonus time)
2) BPA / Best Value at the 2nd overall pick
I hope they don’t have to draft a QB at 2nd overall (I.e. they pick Barkley or have hauled in a King’s Ransom to trade down).
"Told you Eli hasn't been mediocre to bad and no longer wills his team to wins for the last half decade!!" -some BBIers I guess?
He hasnt played.
What and whose evaluation?
Sadly. Im not shocked. If the Giants are trying to get their new GM that they they brought in to fix things to see things their way....not shocking and the wrong direction.
Head coached get a lot of input in the draft but they don't get to decide about the franchise QB. That's a GM and above decision.
This may be true, it may not. But the daily speculation is going to be painful.
Not only that, but "they" have to convince Gettleman to see what they see?
Actually, that part is believable.
Well, if this is true then we can kiss the future of the franchise goodbye.
This is analogus to Seattle getting Wilson and Dallas getting Zak
This would enable the Giants to use the draft to build the team
However, the Giants better get this right because passing on a potential franchise QB For Webb could set the team back years
This is analogus to Seattle getting Wilson and Dallas getting Zak
This would enable the Giants to use the draft to build the team
However, the Giants better get this right because passing on a potential franchise QB For Webb could set the team back years
This may be true, it may not. But the daily speculation is going to be painful.
Seriously...
John Mara? Chris Mara?
I'm not sure I buy it.
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No coach, but this is decided? Hmmm.....
Head coached get a lot of input in the draft but they don't get to decide about the franchise QB. That's a GM and above decision.
Spot on. Giants need to appear to covet a certain QB or 2. This will drive up the cost to move up to #2.
But, this only works if Eli is willing to restructure contract.
But, this only works if Eli is willing to restructure contract.
There's a hell of a lot more that goes into QB eval than just their statistics - which can be massively skewed depending on levels of competition and talent around them.
John Mara? Chris Mara?
I'm not sure I buy it.
Not to mention that those same evaluators, whoever they are, also evaluated the talent that was on a team that just went 3 and 13. WTF do they know?
Look at me, I said it first, I am a real inside info man here, like me, love me, adore me.
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But why on Earth would anyone in the Giants org want this info to get out? It's definitely not in their best interests to show their hand with the #2 pick
Spot on. Giants need to appear to covet a certain QB or 2. This will drive up the cost to move up to #2.
Exactly...
Three things they did wrong.
First the way it was handled intially with Eli.
Second reacting to the fans after they screwed up.
Three letting Eli play every minute of every game thereafter because they didn't want to offend him or the fans.
They painted themselves into a corner and didn't let the paint dry before they walked across it. Now they got a different kind of mess. The safe bet is to take a QB in the first. Or maybe take one that falls to the second and tell everyone he was a first rounder on their boards.
Those who believe that, are just feeding their inaccurate perception of the Mara s, and underestimating Gettleman.
Obviously, no seller wants to look too motivated. At the end of the day, though, no potential trading partner really cares how much Dave Gettleman claims to love Rosen / Darnold / whoever. If he’s entertaining a trade in the first place, that line is obviously BS anyway.
Is there a long snapper worthy of the #2 pick? DeOssie is not going to be around forever.
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Who have they had sitting around on the team that has emerged?
Well, let me ask you a question. The Giants drafted Ereck Flowers thinking they had a LT. They were the only team in NFL to have this belief, reportedly.
How has that worked out?
Well, if this is true then we can kiss the future of the franchise goodbye.
You want to take a guy who many have compared to Flowers, but seven spots higher than Flowers was drafted?
Drafting for need is the best! [/sarcasm]
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But why on Earth would anyone in the Giants org want this info to get out? It's definitely not in their best interests to show their hand with the #2 pick
Spot on. Giants need to appear to covet a certain QB or 2. This will drive up the cost to move up to #2.
Not really. You can't sell the rest of the league that you covet a QB and then simultaneously be willing to trade out of your spot. If you sell QB interest hard, you drive up the cost for the #1 pick, not your own pick.
But if they don't take a QB, it will be because another player was rated more highly. That could easily happen. Rosen could be disqualified because of his injury history, Darnold had a pretty mediocre season, and Allen is raw.
Those who believe that, are just feeding their inaccurate perception of the Mara s, and underestimating Gettleman.
You are assuming the decision is 100% Gettlemans
I don't consider myself an Eli Apologist, I just think its easier to call myself a Giants fan. When I think of people who watched this season and hear what Eli has to say, how much he wants to play here and is loyal to this organization...the basic fact that he's the best example of a pro athlete and how they should conduct themselves on and off the field....I just don't have any clue how the Eli Hater exists. The Giant Fan Eli Hater. Asshole.
Brady is slower than Vince Woolfork, but he moves well in the pocket. For a pocket passer that's all you need. If you know when to step up or slide, it doesn't take too much quickness.
He hasnt played.
What and whose evaluation?
Sadly. Im not shocked. If the Giants are trying to get their new GM that they they brought in to fix things to see things their way....not shocking and the wrong direction.
they can ask Landon Collins
Spot on. Giants need to appear to covet a certain QB or 2. This will drive up the cost to move up to #2.
Wouldn't it just drive up the cost to move up to #1?
If other teams feel like the Giants covet a QB, they're not going to be able to outmaneuver us by offering to take our pick.
I'm a Cal fan and I hope Webb succeeds. He has height, a strong arm and enough mobility to make plays. Also, seems like a good dude. But there is no evidence whatsoever that the Giants are convinced he is the future.
Rinse repeat the same tired discussion. And also, imply inside info that says the love Webb. What about the head coach they will select having an evaluation?
I don't consider myself an Eli Apologist, I just think its easier to call myself a Giants fan. When I think of people who watched this season and hear what Eli has to say, how much he wants to play here and is loyal to this organization...the basic fact that he's the best example of a pro athlete and how they should conduct themselves on and off the field....I just don't have any clue how the Eli Hater exists. The Giant Fan Eli Hater. Asshole.
Give me a fucking break. We are not assholes or "haters" because we want to move on from Eli. I don't hate Eli and I never did, but I don't believe he is the guy anymore. I look around the league and see an outrageous number of young QBs outplaying Eli, regardless of situation. That is where your argument fails. I don't have to stand by Eli no matter what, I am a Giants fan, not an Eli fan.
No. Many people just like to pretend that they have inside access, even though none of them do.
There's a good chance that the vast majority of Giants employees have no idea what's going on. But complete outsiders do? Yeah, ok.
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Spot on. Giants need to appear to covet a certain QB or 2. This will drive up the cost to move up to #2.
Wouldn't it just drive up the cost to move up to #1?
If other teams feel like the Giants covet a QB, they're not going to be able to outmaneuver us by offering to take our pick.
This is exactly correct. Unless you think Gettleman can sell the pick like a storefront seller on Canal Street by pretending as though it is causing him physical pain to even consider trading down.
Oh, btw, Rosen and Darnold just both declared.
:)
Seriously though it should be an will be the QB. Let's just cross our fingers and hope it's Darnold.
Bullshit. All of those things fall in line behind Quarterback. You people are taking that Gettleman line way too seriously.
This is and always will be a QB league. Without one, you have no shot. The 49ers were awful, and enter JG, who won 4 straight games for them to end the season.
We likely will not see this team have a top 5 pick again for many years, and they do not have to give up numerous first round picks to get a QB. They are sitting in a prime spot to take the QB of the future. Do not overthink this.
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and actually played Webb a little or promoted him to 2nd qb after McAdoo (I really hate McAdoo)was shit canned then he would have more reps with a unit other than the scout team. And some fans might feel a little better.
Three things they did wrong.
First the way it was handled intially with Eli.
Second reacting to the fans after they screwed up.
Three letting Eli play every minute of every game thereafter because they didn't want to offend him or the fans.
They painted themselves into a corner and didn't let the paint dry before they walked across it. Now they got a different kind of mess. The safe bet is to take a QB in the first. Or maybe take one that falls to the second and tell everyone he was a first rounder on their boards.
Trade down, get more picks, then this ^^^
Personally I have zero interest trying to predict what they will do, I am not inside anyone's head. Now I can look at the evidence, both statistical and visual. I can consider the the historical decline of aging QBs in the NFL. I can weigh that against he Giants cap, roster and draft position. I can even take into account an entire new coaching staff and front office. Consider the team's 3-13 record and draft position and conclude it is a good time to draft the team's future QB and build the team around that player's strength rather than a 37 Year old, declining QB. That does not mean I know what the Giant's will do. Teams do not always do the right thing.
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I don't consider myself an Eli Apologist, I just think its easier to call myself a Giants fan. When I think of people who watched this season and hear what Eli has to say, how much he wants to play here and is loyal to this organization...the basic fact that he's the best example of a pro athlete and how they should conduct themselves on and off the field....I just don't have any clue how the Eli Hater exists. The Giant Fan Eli Hater. Asshole.
Give me a fucking break. We are not assholes or "haters" because we want to move on from Eli. I don't hate Eli and I never did, but I don't believe he is the guy anymore. I look around the league and see an outrageous number of young QBs outplaying Eli, regardless of situation. That is where your argument fails. I don't have to stand by Eli no matter what, I am a Giants fan, not an Eli fan.
I am sick of the bullshit too. I am not an Eli hater and never have been. I think he is the best QB to ever play for the Giants. The only Giants jersey in my closet is 10. I admire the shit out of the guy. I do not want him gone, I think all of the factors involved make it TIME to move on.
Maybe there are people who never liked him but you can be a big fan of his body of work and recognize his play does not move the needle anymore.
And people are taking that line way too literally from DG.
I don't buy it.
Webb was a 3rd round pick for a reason. And it's likely that the reason Webb didn't play a single snap this season is the same reason that made him a 3rd round pick.
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The only two prospects worth the 2nd pick that meet any of those criteria are Barkley and Chubb.
. They are sitting in a prime spot to take the QB of the future. Do not overthink this.
What if the QB of the future is already on our team?
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The only two prospects worth the 2nd pick that meet any of those criteria are Barkley and Chubb.
. They are sitting in a prime spot to take the QB of the future. Do not overthink this.
What if the QB of the future is already on our team?
Is that what you believe? That Webb is going to turn into a star player? I think the chances of him being anything more than a career backup are slim. He was a late 3rd round pick in a bad QB class.
If the Giants were so high on Webb, then why was he inactive the entire season until the last game of the year in a 3-13 season. This is nonsense. The Giants have the 2nd pick in the draft, and do not have to trade anything to get a QB. One is there for the taking.
You can disagree with me all you want, I don't care, but there are a bunch of good QB prospects in this upcoming draft. They have flaws sure, but the Giants will likely not see a top 5 pick for awhile, so they should strike now, regardless of their timeline on Eli.
Pretty simple. He has everything else.