that you felt would have changed the situation we are in today, what would it have been.
I am sure I am forgetting something but I think it would have been to fire Coughlin and Reese after 2014 (certainly together 2015 when Coughlin went).
Runner up being more aggressive in getting Conklin in 2016 draft, which would have only made us move up three places (exspensive but if we really loved him and we were right to love him that is a building block you couldn’t be so close to and not do something about it).
Reese spent 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder on the OL in recent years. He cared, he tried, he just couldn't get it done.
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who gave a damn about upgrading the OL.
Reese spent 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder on the OL in recent years. He cared, he tried, he just couldn't get it done.
... to my previous point, though, this was when it was too late.
•First Round. No. 32, David Wilson, BUST
•Second Round. No. 63, Rueben Randle, BUST
•Third Round. No. 94, Jayron Hosley, BUST BUST
•Fourth Round. No. 127, Adrien Robinson, HUGE BUST
•Sixth Round. No. 201, Matt Mccants, BUST
•Seventh Round. No.
I read have stayed the course after 2013 and rebuilt the line. If 2014 was a poor year, then they could have cleaned house then.
People often forget that the Giants had no signed RBs at the time except for the battle scarred/injured Bradshaw. RB was as big of a need as Oline.
For my fix: I'd liked to go back in time to about 2013 and fire Reese then.
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Not passed on Tunsil for Apple
caused
players careers cut short by improper rehab (Phlillps , Hicks, Terrell Thomas)
players to go down with non contact injuries (Cruz , Beatty)
players NEVER came back from IR once they were put on (which once again points to improper rehab )
huge wholes in our roster that were impossible to fill
ultimately cost TC his job
even though we loss a ton of players this year
I would like to point out a couple of things
some of the players seem to voluntarily go on IR because the season was loss
I doubt Jackrabbit would have gone on IR if Giants were in playoffs
it seems like almost ALL the players hurt this year will be back next year .. most of the injuries we sustained this year were career ending ..
Pass on Flowers and select Todd Gurley.
Our O-line would certainly be no worse, and while we probably wouldn't have drafted Gallman, I'd say a Gurley/Darkwa 1-2 punch would be pretty sizable.
By the way, if you don't recall, the Rams took Gurley with the NEXT pick after the Giants selected Flowers.
Ugh.
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My issue with this if our goal was to repair Oline you had to take Flowers and Tunsil. But in the end, Gurley was the only great player of the four, Tunsil is ranked like 48th Tackle of 64 in PFf. The fact is that tunsil is better than apple, but not sure either one was good. Gurley was a mistake but could he be nearly as effective with our oline?
This is nonsense. We had tons of injuries this year and they were no different than the injuries under TC. TC had guys wearing GPS trackers so he used new technology as well.
Injuries have been a constant with the Giants from Parcells to Fassel to TC to McAdoo.
Mara and Reese ignored the fact that the issue was a dearth of talent, not scheme, and made the catastrophic decision to jettison Gilbride and replace him with Ben McAdoo and his broken offensive system and inane playbook. The rest is history.
That move above all else is the root cause of why the Giants are where they are today.
Mara and Reese ignored the fact that the issue was a dearth of talent, not scheme, and made the catastrophic decision to jettison Gilbride and replace him with Ben McAdoo and his broken offensive system and inane playbook. The rest is history.
That move above all else is the root cause of why the Giants are where they are today.
Good post. The end result was not really doing anything that worked to fix the Oline and to negate that, we switch to a WCO to get the ball out quicker. Eli was never good in the short passing game.
Mara and Reese ignored the fact that the issue was a dearth of talent, not scheme, and made the catastrophic decision to jettison Gilbride and replace him with Ben McAdoo and his broken offensive system and inane playbook. The rest is history.
That move above all else is the root cause of why the Giants are where they are today.
I suspect this is revisionist history. Coughlin could have protected Gillbride and chose not to.
Honestly, after '13, my instinct was to start over then. See Coughlin and the whole staff go. Reese too, for that matter (though I later became one of his defenders).
In retrospect, I might have been on to something.
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who gave a damn about upgrading the OL.
Reese spent 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder on the OL in recent years. He cared, he tried, he just couldn't get it done.
Most teams did not have Pugh in their first round. As for Flowers, one team thought he could play LT. That team was dead wrong.
The Giants likely had Flowers penciled in for RT. The following month, Beatty tore his pec and the rest is history.
So here's a thought: instead of trading down in 2006, maybe Accorsi should have just taken Nick Mangold at 25. A side benefit would be that, without the extra pick from that trade, we might have been spared the trade-up for Sinorice Moss. A lot of good players were taken at the bottom of that second round, including Maurice Jones-Drew.
First runner up would be bringing in a west coast QB coach to oversee Eli's final years. Then you promoted the guy who can't be told what he knows to HC.
It's almost like the front office saw what Eli did in 2011 and figured he could replicate that every year, no matter who was on the line.
Come on BBB! "a few years of respectability"??? How about a SB Title!!!
lol, yeah he built great rosters in Jacksonville and NEVER had any cap issues
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This, I’ve been harping on the Flowers over Gurley pick, it’s that terrible.
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This, I’ve been harping on the Flowers over Gurley pick, it’s that terrible.
So we killed Reese for Wilson over Glenn but now we kill Reese for Flowers over Gurley. Just can't win.
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It was an arrogant move for a team that was running on fumes on the lines and set the tone for the next few seasons, culminating in this disaster.
People often forget that the Giants had no signed RBs at the time except for the battle scarred/injured Bradshaw. RB was as big of a need as Oline.
For my fix: I'd liked to go back in time to about 2013 and fire Reese then.
Also if you remember Tampa grabbed the guy we wanted right in front of us and he’s had a good career. Lastly, the Giants had the last pick in the First Round and so it was a value pick. I also think Wilson would have helped this team if not for his medical retirement. He was a great kick returner nd had tremendous speed. Speed kills.
Wilson was ONE draft pick. He did not turn out. What's more, he did not turn out because of an injury that nobody could have anticipated.
I don't know how in the world anyone could identify that situation as a major one in the recent history of the Giants and I wish Wilson the best.
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who gave a damn about upgrading the OL.
Reese spent 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder on the OL in recent years. He cared, he tried, he just couldn't get it done.
Since 2013, Reese drafted as many QBs in the first five rounds as he has OL.
If we consider the Pats to be the model franchise, with an older less mobile QB, they have drafted 6 linemen over that period in top five rounds plus some a few other sixth rounders
Clean house a year removed from a SB off a winning record?
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The unit was better in the post-season, with Baas actually staying somewhat healthy for a few weeks. But Eli still got the sh!t kicked out of him in San Francisco. My view is that the SB XLVI title was won despite the decisions in 2007/2008/2009 to try to keep that line together, not because of those decisions. Obviously, we'll never know what might have happened if Reese and Coughlin had tried to rebuild the line sooner. It's pretty safe to say Snee wasn't going anywhere, given the special relationship.
So we killed Reese for Wilson over Glenn but now we kill Reese for Flowers over Gurley. Just can't win.
I've read on BBI that Barry Sanders couldnt run behind this line. Not to mention that Emmett Smith's greatness was largely due to the OL he ran behind. Yet we should've taken Gurley over Flowers.
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It was an arrogant move for a team that was running on fumes on the lines and set the tone for the next few seasons, culminating in this
disaster.
People often forget that the Giants had no signed RBs at the time except for the battle scarred/injured Bradshaw. RB was as big of a need as Oline.
For my fix: I'd liked to go back in time to about 2013 and
fire Reese then.
+1.
The '12 and '17 drafts from the OL perspective had me wanting him fired.
Saw your QB get destroyed by SF in the '11 p/o game, and the OL running on fumes. Should have tried for an OL pick in 1 or 2. In 17, you see EF is still not a LT, and the OL despite WS in '16 were overmatched, and the best you could do was, again, a 6th round OL pick, and a UDFA? Really?
I would have dumped Reese, and Ross.....on their heads.
It's almost like the front office saw what Eli did in 2011 and figured he could replicate that every year, no matter who was on the line.
And there are a number of NFL teams who think like that and believe that to be (and should be) the case.
That was a first guess by a lot of people.
Runner up might be resigning Linval Joseph instead of Jon Beason that following season. That was just an insane decision.
Its not Eli's fault, blame (fill in the blank name) who is no longer a NY Giant for a reason...