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CMicks3110 : 1/4/2018 10:24 pm
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Fans have every right to be cynical about this, and I have no doubt they will be, but sources with knowledge of the Mets' plans are telling me the front office will do more to improve the team this winter than is being portrayed publicly.

Nevertheless, one name I heard mentioned on Thursday was Mike Moustakas, the third baseman who hit 38 home runs for the Royals last season, and so far seems to have generated limited interest at best.

Nobody was saying the Mets are ready to swoop in and sign him, but it seems fair to say the team is monitoring his situation, well aware there aren't many potential landing spots for third baseman looking for long-term deals.

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RE: If the plan involves playing  
Eric on Li : 1/9/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13780858 Metnut said:
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Conforto or Cespedes in center field full time, then it sounds like a shitty one to me.


Agreed.
RE: Actually it has been 8  
Eric on Li : 1/9/2018 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13780843 ZGiants98 said:
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my bad. Time flies.


In 8 offseasons here's a list of Sandy's good moves:
1. Dickey trade (saved $)
2. Granderson ($60M)
3. Colon ($20M)
4. Cabrera ($24M)
5. Resigning Cespedes ($135M)
<end of list>

I mean, maybe you could expand it to add Walker but he was basically hurt for most of 2 years and way overpaid the 2nd year. There are teams in recent years who have made more big moves and spent more in 1 offseason than Sandy has made in his entire tenure - Cubs, Yankees, Nats, etc. The lack of talent acquisitions in the offseason is one of the main reasons this franchise doesn't consistently compete with those teams during the season.
RE: If the plan involves playing  
ZGiants98 : 1/9/2018 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13780858 Metnut said:
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Conforto or Cespedes in center field full time, then it sounds like a shitty one to me.


I dont get this logic. Cespedes? Sure. He's awful in CF. Conforto was pretty close to average there though. He's a much better CF than Nimmo was and everyone seems fine with a Lagares/Nimmo platoon. I dont get that one.
RE: RE: Actually it has been 8  
ZGiants98 : 1/9/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13780925 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13780843 ZGiants98 said:


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my bad. Time flies.



In 8 offseasons here's a list of Sandy's good moves:
1. Dickey trade (saved $)
2. Granderson ($60M)
3. Colon ($20M)
4. Cabrera ($24M)
5. Resigning Cespedes ($135M)
<end of list>

I mean, maybe you could expand it to add Walker but he was basically hurt for most of 2 years and way overpaid the 2nd year. There are teams in recent years who have made more big moves and spent more in 1 offseason than Sandy has made in his entire tenure - Cubs, Yankees, Nats, etc. The lack of talent acquisitions in the offseason is one of the main reasons this franchise doesn't consistently compete with those teams during the season.


LOL.
RE: RE: RE: Actually it has been 8  
Eric on Li : 1/9/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13780944 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13780925 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 13780843 ZGiants98 said:


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my bad. Time flies.



In 8 offseasons here's a list of Sandy's good moves:
1. Dickey trade (saved $)
2. Granderson ($60M)
3. Colon ($20M)
4. Cabrera ($24M)
5. Resigning Cespedes ($135M)
<end of list>

I mean, maybe you could expand it to add Walker but he was basically hurt for most of 2 years and way overpaid the 2nd year. There are teams in recent years who have made more big moves and spent more in 1 offseason than Sandy has made in his entire tenure - Cubs, Yankees, Nats, etc. The lack of talent acquisitions in the offseason is one of the main reasons this franchise doesn't consistently compete with those teams during the season.



LOL.


Which part of my post isn't true? Omitting John Mayberry? AdA?
I could probably throw out 10-15 "moves"  
ZGiants98 : 1/9/2018 11:15 pm : link
from last year alone.

1.) QO Walker (Walker had a good season)
2.) Picking up Bruce's option (Bruce had a good season)
3.) Offering arbitration to Reed (Reed had a good year)
4.) Signing Cespedes to a 4 year deal.
5.) Signing Blevins to a two year deal.
6.) Drafting Peterson (viewed favorably)
7.) Drafted Vientos (viewed favorably)
8.) Successfully traded Granderson in a suppressed market
9.) Successfully traded Walker in a suppressed market
10.) Successfully traded Duda in a suppressed market
11.) Successfully traded Reed in a suppressed market
12.) Successfully traded Bruce in a suppressed market

ect. ect.

Sandy's worst move ever is probably Cuddyer... A guy that hit league average and he had to pay for a whopping one season.
most of those are not offseason moves, none are aquisitions  
Eric on Li : 1/9/2018 11:43 pm : link
every GM offers players arbitration and makes draft picks. Most teams tinker with their rosters at the trade deadline as either buyers or sellers. The offseason is when non-Mets organizations spend money to improve their rosters by adding talent via FA or making trades. I think you are smart enough to understand the concept of "the offseason" but maybe not.
Below average, not league average.  
PhiPsi125 : 1/9/2018 11:47 pm : link
And we wasted money that the team clearly doesnít have.

And we gave away the #15 draft pick for that one whopping season.

Nice list tho.

RE: most of those are not offseason moves, none are aquisitions  
ZGiants98 : 1/9/2018 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13780957 Eric on Li said:
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every GM offers players arbitration and makes draft picks. Most teams tinker with their rosters at the trade deadline as either buyers or sellers. The offseason is when non-Mets organizations spend money to improve their rosters by adding talent via FA or making trades. I think you are smart enough to understand the concept of "the offseason" but maybe not.


Kind of ridiculous then since being a GM is a 365 day a year job but even still Walker, Bruce, Reed, ect all happened in the offseason. Either way, he wasnt really in a position to be adding talent to supplement the youth until the last three years or so but even so I can still rattle off Marlon Byrd type moves that you didnt include.

This is a ridiculous argument though so Ill gladly bow out. Sandy sucks. You can have it.
RE: Below average, not league average.  
ZGiants98 : 1/9/2018 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13780961 PhiPsi125 said:
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And we wasted money that the team clearly doesnít have.

And we gave away the #15 draft pick for that one whopping season.

Nice list tho.


Yes. At a 97 wRC+ he missed hitting a 100 on the nose. (eye roll emoji)

We also have no idea if the 15th pick would have amounted to anything AND Desmond Linsday had a first-round grade in some circles that year AND we went to the WS that year and believe it or not... Cuddyer did contribute some to that team.

I agree though... Cuddyer didnt work out that great. Now compare that up against the Oliver Perez, Castillo, Bay, ect atrocities we dealt with from Sandy's predecessor.
Got it - it's ridiculous for GM's to improve their team's in offseason  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2018 12:06 am : link
Marlon Byrd was a good move, you are right I forgot that one. It was a minor league contract that obviously paid off way beyond expectations and it was an undeniably great pickup.

The main point stands - in 8 offseasons Sandy has not made very many acquisitions, which is a problem for a team that hasn't drafted well enough to fill the holes on the roster with all homegrown players. Money is a factor but not the only one.
Again...  
ZGiants98 : 1/10/2018 12:09 am : link
At the time Syndergaard, Matz, Conforto, ect were hitting the majors it was already 2015. I havent been dissatisfied with many of his rosters heading into either of the last years. I dont really know what holes you speak of. We have some holes now IMO but I dont think we are done either...

And now this is probably the point where you point out our record last year and I talk about the complete wipeout in injuries and on and on we go...

(last three years)  
ZGiants98 : 1/10/2018 12:09 am : link
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And no it's not ridiculous to go after acquisitions  
ZGiants98 : 1/10/2018 12:13 am : link
in the offseason but if you are acquiring guys at the deadline with an eye to the next year (Ramos being a perfect example) what the hell is the difference?
Pretty hilarious reading the comments  
ZGiants98 : 1/10/2018 12:24 am : link
heading into 2016 and 2017 the last two offseasons (myself included).

2016
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2017  
ZGiants98 : 1/10/2018 12:25 am : link
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The value or lack thereof, he got in return  
Modus Operandi : 1/10/2018 6:19 am : link
For trading Reed, Duda, et al is more telling.

I don't know how you can view Aldersons tenure as anything but a disaster.
RE: 2017  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 1/10/2018 8:19 am : link
In comment 13780976 ZGiants98 said:
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That's what I get for being optimistic.
Of course I was overly optimistic for 2017  
pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 8:53 am : link
how can you not be the way the team has been decimated by injuries the past few years. Doesn't make sense.

and I stand by this post again for this year:

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The past couple years
pjcas18 : 3/31/2017 1:32 pm : link
have been an almost anything that can go wrong did go wrong from an injury standpoint from Wheeler to Harvey to deGrom to Wright and Duda and Walker and TDA, etc. and they went to the WS in 2015 and made the wild card in 2016.

Last year's playoff rotation would have been Thor, Colon, Gsellman and Lugo - and with Thor pitching the WC game he probably (or possibly) would have gotten 1 start in the NLDS. No Duda, no Walker, no Wright, and just a bad year for TDA and nothing from big deadline acquisition Bruce.

I have to believe this year the odds balance out and the Mets only get their fair share of injuries and thrive like they're capable of doing.


The Mets will go as far as their pitching takes them.
fan predictions would've been better if we knew the injury risks  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2018 9:37 am : link
Injuries are always a large portion luck, but the organization had a lot of information that only came out to fans later that would have given people a lot more reason for concern with their predictions heading into the season. For example:

The organization had a lot more visibility in Cespedes offseason bulk up last year than fans did and possibly even how playing out of position in CF was harder on his legs when he hurt his hammy in 2016. How Harvey started last season with the big club off surgery with 1 of his shoulders supposedly dramatically weaker than the other is hard to fathom. Dan even posted that preseason Thor was projected as one of the most likely players in baseball to get injured. Wheeler's elbow is another situation where the organization has consistently been unable to figure out what to do, which makes it look insane that they traded Fulmer over Wheeler at the 2015 deadline. Familia being an injury risk wasn't rocket science since he's had to pitch more innings than anyone in baseball due to the thin BP, and that's one obvious area that I'd say the majority of fans called out as a weakness consistently the last 3 seasons.

So yes, injuries are definitely the #1 factor in this roster's success. As PJ said they will go as far as the rotation takes them. But that's not an excuse to do nothing else to strengthen the roster. In fact, having weaker depth and a weaker overall roster puts more strain on the injury prone players because instead of getting better on the DL Cespedes tries to gut through it for months at a time, etc.
RE: fan predictions would've been better if we knew the injury risks  
JayBinQueens : 1/10/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13781192 Eric on Li said:
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Dan even posted that preseason Thor was projected as one of the most likely players in baseball to get injured.


I don't remember the post but it makes sense. Did it have any reasoning behind it other than he throws hard and it's bound to happen?
I think the Mets should add Reed  
pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 9:55 am : link
at a minimum - bullpen could become a strength, but they HAVE to make other moves. IMO it's not even a question of will they, they have to.

One Mets beat writer pointed out Champ Stuart (with Conforto on the DL (until May?)) would be 4th OFer. I think Stuart would add a much needed element to the Mets with his speed and defense, but his bat is not major league even as 4th OFer.

So basically the OF right now is:

Cespedes Nimmo/Lagares Conforto (DL)

However given the historically slow (at least in my memory) hot stove season I'll be patient b/c I'm fairly certain the roster today is very different than what the roster will be on March 31.
So Thor was predicted to get hurt by some because of the  
bhill410 : 1/10/2018 9:58 am : link
Amount of muscle he put on. Some of else are still concerned because he had elbow issues prior to all of this. Itís one of the reasons he didnít want a MRI and also why he got a couple the year before. Those issues havenít gone anywhere. If there is any credibility to those original concerns it would not surprise me in the least if we lost Thor again this year.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 9:59 am : link
used to be a Champ Stuart "guy" in an extra OF role but he just can't hit... at all. .222 with 122 k's over 320 ab's in AA as a 24 year old = shouldn't be in your top 6-7 OF let alone in line to make the big club. Career .225 hitter so it's not like I'm being selective. At minimum they should be looking at Dyson types (why they can't make minor trades like an Aaron Hicks-esque move is beyond me).
RE: RE: fan predictions would've been better if we knew the injury risks  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 13781220 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 13781192 Eric on Li said:


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Dan even posted that preseason Thor was projected as one of the most likely players in baseball to get injured.



I don't remember the post but it makes sense. Did it have any reasoning behind it other than he throws hard and it's bound to happen?


Yes, multiple experts (including Tom House) flat out said Syndergaard would likely get hurt this season in-part because of the idiotic training that included a lot of gym work but no throwing. Even Syndergaard (at the time) didn't really dispute this

"I get what [House] is saying. He might be right if I was bunched up and tight. But my arm is loose, my flexibility is good. I'm not worried.""

Verducci also spoke to someone off the record he named Syndergaard as one of his most likely to get injured and Chris O'Leary (a controversial figure in pitching mechanics) nailed both Harvey and Syndergaard.
MMO-  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 10:10 am : link
Last night in an interview on WFAN, Jon Heyman said acquiring McCutchen is considered a long shot.

Heyman also said that he does not expect the Mets to sign third baseman Mike Moustakas.
RE: RE: fan predictions would've been better if we knew the injury risks  
Section331 : 1/10/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 13781220 JayBinQueens said:
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I don't remember the post but it makes sense. Did it have any reasoning behind it other than he throws hard and it's bound to happen?


Tom House said publicly that Thor had gotten too big, that his workout routine did not include enough throwing, and that he would be injured by June.

Looking at Thor this offseason, he looks much leaner, hoping for big things from him.
McCutchen  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 10:22 am : link
is a poor fit anyway. Can't play CF, 1 year deal, Pirates not looking to "salary dump".
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arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 10:24 am : link
Hard pass on McCutchen.

I still want Cain. But we won't sign him unless his market "bottoms out," so...
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pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 10:25 am : link
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According to MLB insiders, free-agent 3B Todd Frazier would prefer to sign with the Mets or Yankees.
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spike : 1/10/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13781315 pjcas18 said:
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According to MLB insiders, free-agent 3B Todd Frazier would prefer to sign with the Mets or Yankees.



I would take him as the only vet signing thjs offseason. Frazier is a clubhouse leader
Dave  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 11:09 am : link
Cameron leaving FG's to join the Padres
RE: Dave  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 13781395 DanMetroMan said:
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Cameron leaving FG's to join the Padres


whoa. Good for him.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13781309 arcarsenal said:
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Hard pass on McCutchen.

I still want Cain. But we won't sign him unless his market "bottoms out," so...


Same. Cain, Kipinis, Reed would actually make this a solid offseason. That's 2 everyday players who could be as good as anyone at their positions in the NL over the next 2-3 years (which is the window). Both are positive impact on offense at the top of the order and in the field (even if Cain has some regression from his GG days). All 3 of those moves are so obviously hanging out there to be made, except for the fact that in Mets world spending any money = "unrealistic expectations to act like the yankees".

Kipinis
Cain
Conforto
Cespedes
Cabrera
TDA
Smith
Rosario
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arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13781495 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13781309 arcarsenal said:


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Hard pass on McCutchen.

I still want Cain. But we won't sign him unless his market "bottoms out," so...



Same. Cain, Kipinis, Reed would actually make this a solid offseason. That's 2 everyday players who could be as good as anyone at their positions in the NL over the next 2-3 years (which is the window). Both are positive impact on offense at the top of the order and in the field (even if Cain has some regression from his GG days). All 3 of those moves are so obviously hanging out there to be made, except for the fact that in Mets world spending any money = "unrealistic expectations to act like the yankees".

Kipinis
Cain
Conforto
Cespedes
Cabrera
TDA
Smith
Rosario


Agreed. I wouldn't be brimming with confidence about the team but at least there'd be some reason for hope of a decent year with some injury luck.
yup - and who knows? If Rosario or Smith takes off  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2018 2:11 pm : link
and the pitching is reasonably healthy they could easily be better than the 15 and 16 teams. The defense would be a lot better and the BP too. Less power but a lot more athleticism.

Any 7 game series with JDG and Thor pitching the majority of those games is a series they can win.
With that lineup  
pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 2:15 pm : link
and if they add Reed to the pen giving the Mets a pen of:

Familia
Reed
Swarzak
Ramos
Blevins
+

that's a team I'd head into battle with and at least feel like has a shot to compete.

but again, the health of the starting rotation will determine how far they go IMO.

Has anyone read about the new off-season regimen the pitchers are using with Callaway and Eiland?

I saw the headline and didn't click on it, but at least they're changing things up.

I was dismayed to see Rosario at Barwis. I guess that means he's going to regress or be injured.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 2:36 pm : link
willing to put my BBI "career" on the line. 0% chance the Mets add Cain, Kipnis AND Reed (or any trio = that amount of money). I believe they will sign Todd Frazier as their "big" add and someone like Adam Lind + an Aoki type.
Massive  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 2:38 pm : link
pass on Starlin Castro.
RE: Massive  
pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13781766 DanMetroMan said:
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pass on Starlin Castro.


agree, rather run Flores out there, unless he's part of a Yelich trade.
Castro  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 2:46 pm : link
has been better than league average (by fWAR) 3 times in his career, most recent in 2014. -14 DRS over the past 2 seasons good for the 2nd worst defensive 2b in during that time (tied with Brandon Phillips who was 35 and 36 these past 2 seasons) and he's owed 22 million.
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DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 2:48 pm : link

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Mets have spoken in recent days with Jay Bruce's agent. Bruce still very much a possibility.
RE: I'm  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13781763 DanMetroMan said:
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willing to put my BBI "career" on the line. 0% chance the Mets add Cain, Kipnis AND Reed (or any trio = that amount of money). I believe they will sign Todd Frazier as their "big" add and someone like Adam Lind + an Aoki type.


I completely agree. My post was entirely to point out how ridiculous it is that they're a NY franchise and they can't even do something simple along the lines of what I posted. Contrary to what the excuse makers say, improving this roster isn't impossible - finding competent ownership/management is.
RE: I'm  
pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13781763 DanMetroMan said:
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willing to put my BBI "career" on the line. 0% chance the Mets add Cain, Kipnis AND Reed (or any trio = that amount of money). I believe they will sign Todd Frazier as their "big" add and someone like Adam Lind + an Aoki type.


Of course they won't. No one here thinks they will. Point was they should.
Starlin  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 3:03 pm : link
Castro road slugging the last 2 seasons 394 and 357
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Metnut : 1/10/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13781782 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets have spoken in recent days with Jay Bruce's agent. Bruce still very much a possibility.


So much for getting better on defense.

Even with last year's good season, Bruce has averaged 0.75 WAR per season over the past 4 years and 2200 ABs. He also had a wRC of only 104 (which is particularly sad for such a horrific defensive player) in the second half last year.

HARD HARD PASS
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arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 3:29 pm : link
I'm sure you're right, Dan.

Just frustrating that those moves really wouldn't require a huge financial commitment and it'll still be too rich for the Mets' tastes.

But hey, we might get Jay Bruce back! WOO!
Just to clarify...  
Metnut : 1/10/2018 3:33 pm : link
if the market proves to completely collapse for Bruce, I'm fine signing him for 1yr/$10M and using him as a 4 OF. He'll get some ABs until Conforto is ready while Lagares/Nimmo play CF. One thing about Callaway is that he's not been afraid to bench underperforming vets (something Collins was terrible at) so I'd have more confidence in our manager to use him right.

If you're signing Bruce to a multi-year deal (even something like 2yr/$27M would be gross) and hoping that he replicates his first half last year, I think it's a horrendous waste of our incredibly limited financial resources.
How do you know this?  
pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 3:46 pm : link
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...One thing about Callaway is that he's not been afraid to bench underperforming vets (something Collins was terrible at) so I'd have more confidence in our manager to use him right. ...


From what I know he's never been a manager before. Even in the minors I believe.
RE: How do you know this?  
Metnut : 1/10/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13781889 pjcas18 said:
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...One thing about Callaway is that he's not been afraid to bench underperforming vets (something Collins was terrible at) so I'd have more confidence in our manager to use him right. ...



From what I know he's never been a manager before. Even in the minors I believe.


Whoops, you're 100% right. I was thinking of some situations in Cleveland where they were more proactive with the playing time but Callaway was only pitching coach there, not the manager. Apologies.

Hopefully Callaway ends up being as proactive as I imagined him to be.
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