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| Fans have every right to be cynical about this, and I have no doubt they will be, but sources with knowledge of the Mets' plans are telling me the front office will do more to improve the team this winter than is being portrayed publicly. Nevertheless, one name I heard mentioned on Thursday was Mike Moustakas, the third baseman who hit 38 home runs for the Royals last season, and so far seems to have generated limited interest at best. Nobody was saying the Mets are ready to swoop in and sign him, but it seems fair to say the team is monitoring his situation, well aware there aren't many potential landing spots for third baseman looking for long-term deals. |
How is that productive? Cespedes, when healthy, is the Mets best or 2nd best hitter, and is not going to be replaced any free agent.
#Mets, #Pirates have discussed McCutchen, just as they did last off-season, sources tell The Athletic. No deal close; NYM weighing variety of moves, and FAs appear more realistic than trades given lack of depth in system. McCutchen set to earn $14.75M in final year of deal.
Someone should set up a go fund me for the Mets, if nothing else maybe the story would get picked up by the media and embarrass them...
I agree. Last year his slugging % spiked, maybe it was improvement maybe it was an outlier, but there's little else positive beyond that and his defensive dropoff was apparently significant. Hard pass unless it's a very low risk deal.
"Moustakass average fly ball traveled 326 feet last season, up from 308 feet in the first half of 2015 and 317 feet in the second half of 2015, when the ball is suspected to have changed. He hit 16 fly balls that averaged 332 feet of distance in his injury-shortened 2016."
However, the article also says that since he's an extreme fly ball and pull hitter, his batted balls don't really profile too well at Citi Field.
Mike Moustakas Is the Former Royal You Want - ( New Window )
LOL, of course.
I'm not even crazy about Moustakas - I just laugh knowing that this is how the Mets operate. They need the market to "bottom out" on a player in order to sign him.
Pathetic.
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spoke to someone in the know. Highly unlikely they sign Moustakas. Would need the market to bottom out.
LOL, of course.
I'm not even crazy about Moustakas - I just laugh knowing that this is how the Mets operate. They need the market to "bottom out" on a player in order to sign him.
Pathetic.
LOL exactly! Dan's quote isn't exclusive to Moose, it applies to every free agent. "Mets aren't interested unless the market bottoms out"
And just so everyone knows, I want NO part of trading either one of them, I love both of them, but what's the point of keeping them and not improving the roster?
If they moved Jake this past deadline they could have cleaned out the Astros farm system and totally replenished.
It was the same with the Wright contract that was a total disaster from the day he signed it. Wright's value to a ballclub was never going to line up with the longer term plan of the years it took to groom these pitchers.
WTF is this franchise doing? Does anyone know anymore? Not spend enough to be a contender but spend enough so the blind Met fan will still buy his 10 pack season ticket plan?
Maybe they can get some reclamation projects coming off major injury and a guy trying to resurrect his career coming back from Japan or Mexico.
The Mets are gonna surprise you with just how much they spend on a fourth outfielder and second LOOGy.
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(To be fair they do desperately need another outfielder as I think Champ Stuart is legit fourth on the depth chart if Conforto isnt ready for Opening Day)
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(And given that the other outfielders are Lagares, Nimmo, and Cespedes, the odds that all three are healthy on Opening Day also isnt great)
Great point about Thor/ Degrom. You have two aces in their prime. If you're not going to try to compete now, when will you?
And just so everyone knows, I want NO part of trading either one of them, I love both of them, but what's the point of keeping them and not improving the roster?
If they moved Jake this past deadline they could have cleaned out the Astros farm system and totally replenished.
It was the same with the Wright contract that was a total disaster from the day he signed it. Wright's value to a ballclub was never going to line up with the longer term plan of the years it took to groom these pitchers.
WTF is this franchise doing? Does anyone know anymore? Not spend enough to be a contender but spend enough so the blind Met fan will still buy his 10 pack season ticket plan?
That IS the plan. Keep Mets fans spending
Jenrry Mejia!
(I'm serious - we signed him to a 1.7M deal to avoid arbitration)
LOL
WTF is this franchise doing? Does anyone know anymore? Not spend enough to be a contender but spend enough so the blind Met fan will still buy his 10 pack season ticket plan?
That's exactly what they're doing.
He signed Cespedes because the market fell apart for him. Thats literally the only reason.
If that's our strategy, we're fucked. Because that's not how winning teams operate.
He's also not going to collect any of that money. Player on drug suspensions don't get paid.
I wonder if the Mets though will count this money in their payroll numbers.
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that Sandy waited out the market the exact same way last year and signed his two biggest free agents (Cespedes and Blevins) extremely late in the offseason. It's like it's a complete shock that this is how this guy operates? Why? I believe this article and that most of the money issues are smoke to leverage negotiations and Sandy will still sign a couple guys late in the offseason once he gets them at "his" price. Still plenty of good players in play.
He signed Cespedes because the market fell apart for him. Thats literally the only reason.
If that's our strategy, we're fucked. Because that's not how winning teams operate.
last championship 1986. We will keep counting that championship anniversary for decades
His last two offseasons weren't models of success? Going to the WS, postseason, and into a year that every person on earth predicted 90-ish wins screamed failure to you? interesting.
The reality is that the 2017 Mets sucked and were out of contention by the 4th of July.
No matter what people thought going into the season, the team wound up being awful. Sandy gets a pass on that just because it was less expected?
We've done nothing but go backwards since the WS so far and it looks like we're still moving in the wrong direction.
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that Sandy waited out the market the exact same way last year and signed his two biggest free agents (Cespedes and Blevins) extremely late in the offseason. It's like it's a complete shock that this is how this guy operates? Why? I believe this article and that most of the money issues are smoke to leverage negotiations and Sandy will still sign a couple guys late in the offseason once he gets them at "his" price. Still plenty of good players in play.
He signed Cespedes because the market fell apart for him. Thats literally the only reason.
If that's our strategy, we're fucked. Because that's not how winning teams operate.
I believe it is his strategy. Not to overpay plain and simple. Ill wait until the offseason is over before I comment on whether it worked out this year or not.
This team is nowhere near a contender right now. Not even close.
Unless he gets really creative, it's going to be another long season for us.
This team is nowhere near a contender right now. Not even close.
Unless he gets really creative, it's going to be another long season for us.
Disagree. The two biggest losses that sank our season were Syndergaard and Familia in early April and neither had any previous injury history. At least nothing, major. Cespedes was pretty much useless all year too and we would have never signed him to a 100 million plus deal if we thought he would have been injured all year.
I do agree the roster is worse now though after losing Grandy, Bruce, Walker, Reed, Duda, ect. He absolutely needs to add more talent.
And I don't have a whole lot of faith in this turning into a contender when we have about 10M total to fix it.
As for the rest of the team we need key players to return to health and stay healthy. I'm not talking about lost causes like Wheeler and Harvey.
Im talking about Cespedes, Conforto, Syndergaard, and Familia. The cornerstones of the roster.
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and outside of twice resigning Cespedes I don't think Sandy's previous offseasons have ever been models of success.
His last two offseasons weren't models of success? Going to the WS, postseason, and into a year that every person on earth predicted 90-ish wins screamed failure to you? interesting.
The WS year they were under .500 at the deadline despite having the best pitching in baseball because they didn't do what they needed to in the offseason. Forget Cespedes, Uribe, KJ and Clippard were enormously important acquisitions for roles that were mindlessly ignored in the offseason after lighting money on fire to signing Cuddyer and "the best pinch hitter in baseball" John Mayberry.
The WC year they were around .500 at the deadline, and actually under .500 in early August. Then they went on a run in large part thanks to Lugo and Gsellman.
Last year he stood pat with almost the exact same roster as the Wild Card year to obviously terrible results.
So resigning Cespedes aside, since that was just a function of market prices, which one of those offseasons was Sandy's best in your mind? The WS year he signed Cuddyer for $25M and gave up a first round pick day 1? The year he let Murphy go for almost nothing? Or last year when he mindlessly blew his entire budget signing Walker for $17M?
I'd offer them anything they want other than Rosario for Yelich and Prado. Dom Smith, Gimenez, and whoever they want as the 3rd prospect (and 4th prospect if nec). That package would be reasonably comparable talent level-wise to what STL put together for Ozuna. Obviously Yelich has a better contract than Ozuna but having to take on Prado's $30M diminishes that.
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Rosario+ (plus may be a lot) for Yelich, Realmuto and Prado. Maybe even have to take on Chen and or Castro.
I'd offer them anything they want other than Rosario for Yelich and Prado. Dom Smith, Gimenez, and whoever they want as the 3rd prospect (and 4th prospect if nec). That package would be reasonably comparable talent level-wise to what STL put together for Ozuna. Obviously Yelich has a better contract than Ozuna but having to take on Prado's $30M diminishes that.
If you can get it done without Rosario obviously preferable, but I doubt it. That's why I added in Realmuto though.
He's still young-ish and a top 5 catcher the past two years.
I'd prefer Castro over Prado.
Truthfully though, the most sensible thing for the Mets to do would be sign Cain and just trade Lagares for a 2B like Kipinis. Yes it's a risk because he's older, but Cain and Yelich are extremely similar players. Cain's contract would hopefully be somewhere in the range of what they gave Granderson 4 years ago and they'd get to save all their prospects to not further decimate the system.
----------------Cain ---- Yelich
Career BA-----.290------.290
2017 BA ------.300------.282
Career OBP---.342------.369
2017 OBP-----.363------.369
Career K%-----18%------20%
Career BB%----7%-------11%
Career SLG%--.421-----.432%
2017 SLG%----.440%---.439%
Last year Cain had 26 steals to Yelich's 16 and played better defense. Over their career's Cain's defense has been much better, but since he's older it's probably going to be similar going forward. Again, all things equal I'd prefer Yelich by a solid margin but considering 1 of them is a FA that costs nothing but money...it should be a no brainer for a NY team.
They made the WS in 2015. I cant take that away. Reality is that it was still a deeply flawed team that got hot at the right time, took advantage of an imploding better team (Nationals) only to then turn back into a pumpkin in the WS. This was the time to build off the WS roster but this never actually happened.
2016 was a step backwards. Another mediocre season only to AGAIN turn it on at the very end of the season, end up 8 games out of first place, but secure a wild card to earn the opportunity to GET INTO the playoffs. Which didnt actually happen.
They won 90 and 87 games, respectively. Hardly a powerhouse. Reality is that they have been a thoroughly mediocre (if not bad) team that were lucky to even sniff the success they had those two years. But Sandys true team eventually showed up.
2017 was an abortion of a season. From top to bottom. Lack of oversight with their star players training methods (which clearly led to their eventual injuries), short sighted view with their starting staff, same reliance on HRs while not improving their glaring flaws, crappy defense, horrible leadership.
Nobody WANTS to overpay players but I hate to tell you...its a part of the game and how successful teams are built. But Sandys plan is clearly working. We are in great shape.
Yeah, except for the fact that the Yankees are willing to spend money.
Sign Cain.
Trade for Kipinis or Gordon at 2nd.
And those are just the simplest, easiest, least creative additions ~8 WAR possible for about $40M.
And to be clear, I don't blame Sandy for not having the extra $40M. That's 100% ownership, not him. I just think it's comical to act like Sandy has perfected some brilliant marketplace strategy within that constraint. He paid Neil Walker coming off back surgery more money last year than his entire budget for this year.