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NY Post Q & A - Gettleman on new coach and QB development

GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 8:43 am

Q: On your head-coach priority list, how important is the ability to develop a young quarterback?

A: It’s really important. You draft a quarterback high, and you’re wrong? It sets you back, because then what happens, there are teams that I call, they’re in quarterback hell. They got solid defense, they’ve got a pretty good offensive line, they got some skill players. They … just … can’t … find the trigger guy. And what happens is they go 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, and they never get high enough to get a real guy, and they’re afraid to trade up and trade the farm to get a guy because they’re [No.] 18, 19, 20 draft position. I call that quarterback hell.
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I Like His Comments  
clatterbuck : 1/5/2018 10:23 am : link
on quarterbacks -- sure you like the big guys (so it's either Darnold or Rosen, right?) but the Brees/Wilson type has to have the "it factor (so maybe he thinks Mayfield is that guy?) And you sort of, have to take a QB when your drafting at the top, (but maybe not). Shows you the leg and then takes it away. Maybe I'm giving him to much credit but seems pretty clever.
RE: Now I know why Mara hired him  
BigBlueShock : 1/5/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13773151 oldutican said:
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.

Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?

You don’t seem very bright....
No clue how he'll do as the Giants General Manager  
Ben in Tampa : 1/5/2018 10:30 am : link
but he is a very likable guy from a far
Thanks for sharing.  
bceagle05 : 1/5/2018 10:31 am : link
I think we're absolutely taking a QB, and if we do trade, we're trading UP, not down.
Great interview...  
Sect 146 : 1/5/2018 10:31 am : link
Thanks to OP for posting as I was looking for something like this to get more into DG's head.

I agree that the QB statement does not reveal which way he will ultimately go but it does give some insight. The comment about the "it" factor and winning seems to lean more towards Darnold or Mayfield if he does decide to take a QB. But....the idea of having a competent "trigger man" in place makes me think he still likes Eli and will look to solidify the team around him for now. He does a good job of not committing either way.

Did not realize he was a part of so many SB participating teams. At least he gets them there even if he has lost a bunch!

Love the straight shooting answers. Think he will do well for NYG and feels like just what this team needs at this time. Good job by Mara and Tisch! Was not sure they had it in them.
RE: RE: Now I know why Mara hired him  
oldutican : 1/5/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13773167 BigBlueShock said:
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.


Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?

You don’t seem very bright....


Like the Maras, he seems very conservative in a social and cultural sense. People he most admires are the head of an evangelical Christian charity organization and Netanyahu. He says we live in a "PC world." He talks in cliches. He is exactly what I thought Mara would hire: a guy who worked for them previously and shares their conservative views.
Smoke  
Spike13 : 1/5/2018 10:47 am : link
And Mirrors
RE: RE: Now I know why Mara hired him  
Beezer : 1/5/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13773167 BigBlueShock said:
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.


Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?

You don’t seem very bright....


It's because he's from the '50s.
RE: scared me with this quote  
robbieballs2003 : 1/5/2018 10:57 am : link
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Who doesn’t want Cam Newton?



Why? The question was about the prototypical size of a QB.
RE: RE: Interesting  
Dodge : 1/5/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13773072 Brown Recluse said:
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Perhaps the poignant example of his theory is Buffalo? But who else? Who missed on a quarterback evaluation that consequently left the team in a 7-9 to 9-7 morass? Or, looking at it another way, how many truly great quarterbacks are there in the league today? Perhaps that means that the designation of “great” retains value. Some of this is relative. For example is Ryan really that much better than Flacco or does he just have a better supporting cast?

Furthermore , the Vikings busted out of the morass with a veteran free-agent, long thought to be skill challenged .

I think a more accurate observation would be that teams like the Browns who continually choose poorly regarding their quarterbacks , remain terrible for large stretches of time. If Gettleman is alluding to how difficult it is to find a great quarterback as opposed to a WCO-inflated , 93 QB rated check-down artist, then I completely agree

It will serve you well as you hear from this guy to remember that he is going to fan once in awhile. His observation that you first have to stop the run in today’s game is archaic. Look at of the yards per rush against of some of the teams who qualified for the playoffs. Like Jacksonville, for example. Don’t deify this guy. The same mistake was made about McAdoo. Gettleman is a solid front-office veteran with years of experience . I like him because he seems to emphasize the fronts of both units. But let’s not get swept away in a tide of hyperbole .



I was actually thinking about the same thing yesterday, regarding McAdoo and how his opening press conference (despite his appearance) garnered much of the same reaction as Gettlemans. If this past season has taught us anything, its to always temper your expectations.


Yeah but Gettleman has a track record as an elevator and GM. McAdoo had 2 years as an OC. Bit of a difference when creating expectations.
RE: RE: RE: Very  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13773015 Brown Recluse said:
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telling!



Sure looks like a QB at #2 is good bet.



Or not.



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You draft a quarterback high, and you’re wrong? It sets you back, because then what happens, there are teams that I call, they’re in quarterback hell.



This tells me that if his guy isn't there, he's not reaching for someone and will go in a different direction because if he guesses wrong - he's in QB hell.

It was a mixed message for sure. Because if you skip the QB and build up the rest of the roster this year, that's precisely how you end up in that 7-9/8-8/9-7 purgatory because you have a team that's good enough to compete but doesn't have a QB and doesn't have a high enough pick to get one.

I think Gettleman is smart enough to give answers that sound really insightful yet reveal nothing. But I agree that I don't get the sense that he'll take a QB simply for the sake of taking one - they have to be worthy of the pick.

The wild card in all of this is how much influence Accorsi will continue to have, because I think we can safely assume what his vote will be.
No one asked him about what he thought about Webb.  
Ira : 1/5/2018 11:17 am : link
That has to be part of the picture.
RE: I wouldn't get excited  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13773057 uncledave said:
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Gettleman is gonna be faced with drafting a QB if he lasts a few years as GM so I think he answered the question from that perspective not insinuating this year.

Giants.com also published a video of Rosen and Darnold declaring but I see that as more of a smoke screen, make em think we're gonna take one of em and someone will pay up.

Can we stop with this silly angle please? If the Giants sell a QB bluff hard, it increases the value of Cleveland's pick at #1, not the Giants' pick at #2. You cannot represent one position ("we really, really want a QB, we swear") and then pivot to another that is completely contradictory ("we're open for business if you want to trade up") without having your bluff called in the process.
I’m glad to hear he say it  
Jay on the Island : 1/5/2018 11:42 am : link
This has been my fear if they pass on a QB. If Eli continues to decline and Webb isn’t the future franchise guy then the Giants will be a 7-9 team that will have to trade a huge package to move up to get a QB. I find it hard to believe that the Giants won’t like at least two of the top 4 QB’s in this draft more than Webb. Too many people assume trading up in this scenario is no big deal but the Giants will have to give up at least two first round picks plus more to move up in the future.
Did anyone else read between the lines here  
cjac : 1/5/2018 11:47 am : link
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Q: Why Bill Walsh?
A: He was way ahead of his time. His book “The Winning Edge” was spectacular. He had so many things figured out and people can turn around and say, “Yeah, he had the benefit, he wasn’t dealing with the salary cap.” But for him to have the courage to tell Joe Montana it was time, and Ronnie Lott it was time, and Jerry Rice it was time — some great players that it was time, to have the courage to make those changes when he did, the Branch Rickey concept — better a year early than a year late.


hinting that he may let Eli go?
Interesting that some of you read that interview  
Mike from Ohio : 1/5/2018 11:48 am : link
and came away thinking it means the Giants are absolutely drafting a QB, while others read it and interpreted that they are absolutely NOT taking a QB.

It goes to show you how people process information to align with their preconceived notions. Or that Gettleman did exactly what he wanted to with those quotes - reveal nothing.
RE: RE: RE: Interesting  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13773258 Dodge said:
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Yeah but Gettleman has a track record as an elevator and GM. McAdoo had 2 years as an OC. Bit of a difference when creating expectations.

Gettleman has a track record as an elevator?
Those are usually puff pieces  
mfsd : 1/5/2018 12:07 pm : link
but that was a really good read
RE: RE: I wouldn't get excited  
WillVAB : 1/5/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13773303 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Gettleman is gonna be faced with drafting a QB if he lasts a few years as GM so I think he answered the question from that perspective not insinuating this year.

Giants.com also published a video of Rosen and Darnold declaring but I see that as more of a smoke screen, make em think we're gonna take one of em and someone will pay up.


Can we stop with this silly angle please? If the Giants sell a QB bluff hard, it increases the value of Cleveland's pick at #1, not the Giants' pick at #2. You cannot represent one position ("we really, really want a QB, we swear") and then pivot to another that is completely contradictory ("we're open for business if you want to trade up") without having your bluff called in the process.


This doesn’t make any sense. Cleveland isn’t trading out of 1. Most teams will assume they’re taking Rosen or Darnold. If the Giants pretend to have an interest in drafting a QB, and Rosen or Darnold is off the board, and a team wants Rosen or Darnold, they’d call the Giants for the pick.

If the Giants say we’re committed to Eli Manning and we’re not taking a QB at 2, no one will try to trade. The Colts or Browns will get those calls at 3/4 to jump Denver.
RE: Thanks for sharing.  
lax counsel : 1/5/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13773179 bceagle05 said:
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I think we're absolutely taking a QB, and if we do trade, we're trading UP, not down.


Agreed on all accounts, I believe the only trade the Giants are making is to 1, if they value one of the two top guys more than the other.

RE: RE: RE: Now I know why Mara hired him  
Bill L : 1/5/2018 12:34 pm : link
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.


Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?

You don’t seem very bright....



Like the Maras, he seems very conservative in a social and cultural sense. People he most admires are the head of an evangelical Christian charity organization and Netanyahu. He says we live in a "PC world." He talks in cliches. He is exactly what I thought Mara would hire: a guy who worked for them previously and shares their conservative views.
I'm not sure how any of that can be construed as being a negative or telling of how "it will end".

It's subjective and therefore personal, relative to your own subjective and personal perspective. Frankly, people should be allowed to admire whoever they want.
RE: RE: Thanks for sharing.  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 12:36 pm : link
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I think we're absolutely taking a QB, and if we do trade, we're trading UP, not down.



Agreed on all accounts, I believe the only trade the Giants are making is to 1, if they value one of the two top guys more than the other.


And I don't see the Browns trading down unless they both come to different evaluations of the top QBs. Their new GM Dorsey is not going to move out of the 1st pick on his first draft.
RE: Lots of good stuff in this interview  
micky : 1/5/2018 12:51 pm : link
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Q: What was your view of the infamous “boat trip” the week before the playoff game in Green Bay last January?

A: It’s not a good look. Who’s kidding who? Just like when [Tony] Romo and [Jason] Witten took off somewhere in [Cabo] that year. It’s not a good look.

Q: So you would be opposed to something like that?

A: Yes. Guys forget: There’s no guarantee you get in the playoffs every year. Ain’t no guarantee now! There’s no guarantee in this game.




a lot of BBI'ers will say Gettlemen is an idiot now with that statement because in their eyes it was no big deal or cause of what followed
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AcidTest : 1/5/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13773396 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Yeah but Gettleman has a track record as an elevator and GM. McAdoo had 2 years as an OC. Bit of a difference when creating expectations.


Gettleman has a track record as an elevator?


That is a beautiful elevator.
The Browns won’t trade down  
Jay on the Island : 1/5/2018 1:39 pm : link
They did this twice recently passing on Wentz and Watson. They won’t make that mistake again especially since they also have the 4th overall pick along with three 2nd rounders. If they did trade down it would likely be with the 4th pick to a team (Jets) looking to take a QB.
Gettleman Will Go Qb  
lax counsel : 1/5/2018 1:58 pm : link
New GM with a chance to draft his qb for the next decade and a half. The debate over the next two months will move from what position/trade down to which the Giants want more, Darnold or Rosen.
Reading into these interviews  
AcesUp : 1/5/2018 2:38 pm : link
And coming to a conclusion about their "meaning" is like reading a horoscope, people believe what they choose to believe. this board did the same during the press conference.

The point itself regarding "quarterback hell" is valid and a potential reality for this franchise if they pass on one at 2.
The comment about his strong faith piqued my curiosity  
lawguy9801 : 1/5/2018 2:46 pm : link
he is a "Jew for Jesus," apparently
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/5/2018 2:52 pm : link
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Q: What was your view of the infamous “boat trip” the week before the playoff game in Green Bay last January?

A: It’s not a good look. Who’s kidding who? Just like when [Tony] Romo and [Jason] Witten took off somewhere in [Cabo] that year. It’s not a good look.

Q: So you would be opposed to something like that?

A: Yes. Guys forget: There’s no guarantee you get in the playoffs every year. Ain’t no guarantee now! There’s no guarantee in this game.






a lot of BBI'ers will say Gettlemen is an idiot now with that statement because in their eyes it was no big deal or cause of what followed


There was nothing said there that wasn't said at the time. The initial criticism was "It's a poor optic". That's exactly what "It's a bad look" means.
the boat trip  
Vanzetti : 1/5/2018 3:10 pm : link
DG hit it exactly. It's not that the boat trip in of itself was bad or caused the receivers to drop passes. It was that it became a distraction because it "looked" like the Giants were not taking the game seriously, that they were more interested in partying and relaxing in the sun than preparing for Green Bay.

The comparison to Witten and Romo going to Cabo with Jessica Simpson is spot on.
I wouldn't expect the Browns to trade down either  
bceagle05 : 1/5/2018 3:50 pm : link
unless they fall in love with Allen and know the Giants are taking Darnold. Then you can switch places and pick up some assets.
It will be interesting to see  
WillVAB : 1/5/2018 4:26 pm : link
The pro Gettleman/pro QB pick people on this board respond if DG passes on a QB. My guess is they’ll 180 from support to “he’s an idiot.”
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shyster : 1/5/2018 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13773007 Greg from LI said:
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That Walsh had the courage to tell Joe Montana, Rice, etc. That it was time raised an eyebrow for me.

Thanks for posting.



Of course, Walsh wasn't with the Niners when they moved on from Montana and Lott.


True, strictly speaking. But if people think McAdoo disrespected Eli, it pales to the way Walsh yanked Montana around in the last two years of his coaching tenure.

And that yanking around had everything to do with Walsh's willingness/eagerness to move on from Montana to Steve Young, who was five years younger.

Wonder how many people recall that, in the 1988 Week 2 game at Giants Stadium which Montana famously won with a last minute 80-yarder to Rice, it was Young who started and played the entire first half.

How precisely Gettleman recalls that entire episode, and what lessons he draws, makes for conjecture.
I really like Gettleman  
DavidinBMNY : 1/5/2018 7:19 pm : link
I always felt with Jerry , his style was give nothing away.

"BPA"

"Playmakers"

That's about it.


DG's style is much more transparent, without really giving anything sensitive away.

A good read.
Gettleman's comment regarding developing a QB is a little ambiguous  
GeofromNJ : 1/5/2018 8:05 pm : link
It could mean that he wants to draft a QB in a lower round and develop him or he wants to be certain that the QB he drafts in round one is a stud. The statement is pretty vague. Additionally, the comment about QB hell is something that every GM knows and all knowledgeable fans know. I fail to see the enormity of the insight.

That said, I think Gettleman is inclined to draft Allen if the Browns don't grab him and develop the hell out of him because he's the most physically talented, and if he's not available, he'll draft Barkley, play Eli, try to develop Webb, and maybe go QB next year or the year after. Of course, I could be way off. One thing I do know. Gettleman will be watching tape of Webb and every QB in this upcoming draft for days on end.
Great interview  
Rjanyg : 1/5/2018 8:35 pm : link
DG seems like a smart guy and a passionate football man, who loves the Giants.
Sounds like Barker Mayfield may be in play.  
TC : 1/5/2018 8:41 pm : link
"Q: What are the most important qualities you look for in a franchise quarterback?

A: The obvious is the physical ability to do it, but it’s beyond that. It’s the leadership. It’s knowing how to rally the troops. It’s gotta be smarts. Head coach is a CEO, I gotta be a CEO, to a certain degree the quarterback’s gotta be a CEO. Put it in relatable terms — he’s gotta be a guy that if there’s a burning building and he says, “Let’s go,” he gets trampled.

Q: Do you have any size prototypes for a quarterback?

A: Who doesn’t want Cam Newton? Who doesn’t want that size prototype? You know, 6-[foot]-5, 245 [pounds], run a 4.5 [40-yard dash] — who the heck doesn’t want that? With the shorter guys — [Drew] Brees, Russell Wilson — their ability to slide and find the passing lane, that allows them to overcome the height issue. When you’re playing those guys, what you want to do is get inside pressure immediately, to not allow them to step up. Who doesn’t want a guy who’s a little bigger? It’s more about does he have the “it” factor? Is he a winner? Just because they go to the next level, it doesn’t necessarily stop. Some people are just winners.
Question  
g56blue10 : 1/5/2018 11:10 pm : link
A lot of people are saying we have to draft a QB because we are picking this high and you can’t pass on a franchise QB. I am curious If you look at the 10 best QBs in the league right now, how many were top 5 to top 10 picks?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 12:10 am : link
In comment 13774522 g56blue10 said:
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A lot of people are saying we have to draft a QB because we are picking this high and you can’t pass on a franchise QB. I am curious If you look at the 10 best QBs in the league right now, how many were top 5 to top 10 picks?


Depending on who you're putting in the top ten, I suppose.

Goff was a #1, Ryan was a #3, Stafford was a #1, Rivers #4, Cam #1, Wentz #2
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Milton : 1/6/2018 4:30 am : link
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A lot of people are saying we have to draft a QB because we are picking this high and you can’t pass on a franchise QB. I am curious If you look at the 10 best QBs in the league right now, how many were top 5 to top 10 picks?



Depending on who you're putting in the top ten, I suppose.

Goff was a #1, Ryan was a #3, Stafford was a #1, Rivers #4, Cam #1, Wentz #2
If you're going by body of work, you can add former #1 overall, Andrew Luck. And if you're going by just 2017, you can add former #1 overall, Alex Smith.
Some interesting one-liners in there...  
zxasqw12 : 1/6/2018 4:56 am : link
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�Arrogance suffocates intelligence.�

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�It doesn�t validate you as a person. It validates you as a professional.�


I could use those in my workplace. If this guy ever writes a book, I think I'd be interested in reading it
What I think will definitely  
RetroJint : 1/6/2018 8:29 am : link
happen is the Giants are taking a quarterback . That’s guaranteed. And what I think might happen is that he will release Eli. Gettleman gains a fresh vantage point on that nettlesome issue. He is freed from the Stockholm Syndrome that has possessed the organization, devouring anyone who had the temerity to suggest that Eli was on the downward side of the slope.

He will bring the HC in on this. Schwartz’s opinion, were he to be hired, would mean more than the Children’s because he’s prepared for Manning the last 2 seasons. He knows how much blame to assess to the oline, Beckham’s injury, the predictability of the offense, etc. One thing is for sure: Matt Millen (!) and Carl Banks won’t be brought in to the process .
If he drafts a QB, can he really afford to let Eli go?  
Simms11 : 1/6/2018 9:00 am : link
Who would be the veteran in the QB room, Webb? They’d almost have to keep Eli around for one more year and give him the opportunity to start again.
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djm : 1/6/2018 11:11 am : link
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.


Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?

You don’t seem very bright....



Like the Maras, he seems very conservative in a social and cultural sense. People he most admires are the head of an evangelical Christian charity organization and Netanyahu. He says we live in a "PC world." He talks in cliches. He is exactly what I thought Mara would hire: a guy who worked for them previously and shares their conservative views.


Oh stop
So now we're declaring  
djm : 1/6/2018 11:18 am : link
With utmost certainty that the browns won't be trading down because they traded down a lot in year's past? Is that right?

The browns love trading down. They have "won" so many drafts over the last 20 years I have lost count. But now they are done trading down? Ok... not sure how anyone reached that conclusion but the smart money is on the browns trading down yet again. They love taking the qb that isn't the clear cut #1 or 2 in the draft.

RE: So now we're declaring  
Jay on the Island : 1/6/2018 11:41 am : link
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With utmost certainty that the browns won't be trading down because they traded down a lot in year's past? Is that right?

The browns love trading down. They have "won" so many drafts over the last 20 years I have lost count. But now they are done trading down? Ok... not sure how anyone reached that conclusion but the smart money is on the browns trading down yet again. They love taking the qb that isn't the clear cut #1 or 2 in the draft.

They have a new GM who did an outstanding job building the Chiefs roster. They have so many picks already that they need quality not quantity.
I see nothing in his comments which predict us picking a QB  
PatersonPlank : 1/6/2018 11:50 am : link
with the #2. All he is saying is you have to be sure to hit on a QB especially if you take one high. If not you are in QB hell. I continue to fall back on the belief that Webb does play a big part in this decision (unlike many on BBI). If after working with him for a year now, the coaching staff and evaluators think he has what it takes, then we will draft a different position. If not then we probably will take a QB. If we do then I hope we trade Webb and get something for him.
I can’t believe anyone would know he has what it takes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 12:51 pm : link
The most practice he got was six first team reps during the year and a few quarters in preseason. How could that be enough to know. They have barely more information than they did when he was drafted. His offensive coordinator is gone to Denver and the head coach was fired, Reese is gone and the staff was told to seek employment elsewhere. How would they have that conversation now if they wanted to?
If they pick one of the QB's in the first round....  
Fishmanjim57 : 1/6/2018 3:01 pm : link
does anyone here think they'll trade Eli for Jacksonville's 1st round pick this year?
RE: Interesting that some of you read that interview  
sharpshooter66 : 1/6/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13773377 Mike from Ohio said:
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and came away thinking it means the Giants are absolutely drafting a QB, while others read it and interpreted that they are absolutely NOT taking a QB.

It goes to show you how people process information to align with their preconceived notions. Or that Gettleman did exactly what he wanted to with those quotes - reveal nothing.


Exactly right
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