Q: On your head-coach priority list, how important is the ability to develop a young quarterback?
A: It’s really important. You draft a quarterback high, and you’re wrong? It sets you back, because then what happens, there are teams that I call, they’re in quarterback hell. They got solid defense, they’ve got a pretty good offensive line, they got some skill players. They … just … can’t … find the trigger guy. And what happens is they go 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, and they never get high enough to get a real guy, and they’re afraid to trade up and trade the farm to get a guy because they’re [No.] 18, 19, 20 draft position. I call that quarterback hell.
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Sure looks like a QB at #2 is good bet.
Thanks for posting.
Thanks for posting.
Of course, Walsh wasn't with the Niners when they moved on from Montana and Lott.
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Sure looks like a QB at #2 is good bet.
Or not.
This tells me that if his guy isn't there, he's not reaching for someone and will go in a different direction because if he guesses wrong - he's in QB hell.
Gettleman is a pretty solid football guy but also provides an outside (at the time) point of view. If he is opposed to it, that should put the debate to rest over whether or not that trip was a big deal.
I find it interesting how the Odell Beckham coddling trickled all the way down to the majority of the fanbase. Anyway, times are finally changing.
Furthermore , the Vikings busted out of the morass with a veteran free-agent, long thought to be skill challenged .
I think a more accurate observation would be that teams like the Browns who continually choose poorly regarding their quarterbacks , remain terrible for large stretches of time. If Gettleman is alluding to how difficult it is to find a great quarterback as opposed to a WCO-inflated , 93 QB rated check-down artist, then I completely agree
It will serve you well as you hear from this guy to remember that he is going to fan once in awhile. His observation that you first have to stop the run in today’s game is archaic. Look at of the yards per rush against of some of the teams who qualified for the playoffs. Like Jacksonville, for example. Don’t deify this guy. The same mistake was made about McAdoo. Gettleman is a solid front-office veteran with years of experience . I like him because he seems to emphasize the fronts of both units. But let’s not get swept away in a tide of hyperbole .
Q: What was your view of the infamous “boat trip” the week before the playoff game in Green Bay last January?
A: It’s not a good look. Who’s kidding who? Just like when [Tony] Romo and [Jason] Witten took off somewhere in [Cabo] that year. It’s not a good look.
Q: So you would be opposed to something like that?
A: Yes. Guys forget: There’s no guarantee you get in the playoffs every year. Ain’t no guarantee now! There’s no guarantee in this game.
Q: How did your meeting go Wednesday with Eli Apple?
A: It went fine. We talked. He was very attentive. He was focused. He couldn’t be at Monday’s team meeting, so I went through the points that I made to the team with him.
Q: Are you optimistic that his career can be salvaged?
A: Time will tell. I told him he’s got a clean slate for me. Let’s move forward, let’s see what happens.
Giants.com also published a video of Rosen and Darnold declaring but I see that as more of a smoke screen, make em think we're gonna take one of em and someone will pay up.
Giants.com also published a video of Rosen and Darnold declaring but I see that as more of a smoke screen, make em think we're gonna take one of em and someone will pay up.
I think the odds for drafting a QB at #2 this year are about 70% we get one.
Giants.com also published a video of Rosen and Darnold declaring but I see that as more of a smoke screen, make em think we're gonna take one of em and someone will pay up.
Furthermore , the Vikings busted out of the morass with a veteran free-agent, long thought to be skill challenged .
I think a more accurate observation would be that teams like the Browns who continually choose poorly regarding their quarterbacks , remain terrible for large stretches of time. If Gettleman is alluding to how difficult it is to find a great quarterback as opposed to a WCO-inflated , 93 QB rated check-down artist, then I completely agree
It will serve you well as you hear from this guy to remember that he is going to fan once in awhile. His observation that you first have to stop the run in today’s game is archaic. Look at of the yards per rush against of some of the teams who qualified for the playoffs. Like Jacksonville, for example. Don’t deify this guy. The same mistake was made about McAdoo. Gettleman is a solid front-office veteran with years of experience . I like him because he seems to emphasize the fronts of both units. But let’s not get swept away in a tide of hyperbole .
I was actually thinking about the same thing yesterday, regarding McAdoo and how his opening press conference (despite his appearance) garnered much of the same reaction as Gettlemans. If this past season has taught us anything, its to always temper your expectations.
Compared to what he was replacing in Reese, I'd say the odds favor good.
A little hyperbolic, don't you think ;)
But poetic!!
I know many disagree with me, but so much depends on his evaluation of Webb. And I'm sure he knows, directly, or indirectly, what others in the organization (including those now elsewhere) think of his progress, his floor and ceiling etc.
As of right now, I would say the chances the Giants take a QB in the first round are no better than 50/50. What they might do is take a QB on day two or three to develop with Webb, someone like Benkert from UVA.
I was born in the 1950s, nothing wrong with that decade.... :)
Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?
You don’t seem very bright....
I agree that the QB statement does not reveal which way he will ultimately go but it does give some insight. The comment about the "it" factor and winning seems to lean more towards Darnold or Mayfield if he does decide to take a QB. But....the idea of having a competent "trigger man" in place makes me think he still likes Eli and will look to solidify the team around him for now. He does a good job of not committing either way.
Did not realize he was a part of so many SB participating teams. At least he gets them there even if he has lost a bunch!
Love the straight shooting answers. Think he will do well for NYG and feels like just what this team needs at this time. Good job by Mara and Tisch! Was not sure they had it in them.
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.
Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?
You don’t seem very bright....
Like the Maras, he seems very conservative in a social and cultural sense. People he most admires are the head of an evangelical Christian charity organization and Netanyahu. He says we live in a "PC world." He talks in cliches. He is exactly what I thought Mara would hire: a guy who worked for them previously and shares their conservative views.
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.
Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?
You don’t seem very bright....
It's because he's from the '50s.
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Who doesn’t want Cam Newton?
Why? The question was about the prototypical size of a QB.
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Perhaps the poignant example of his theory is Buffalo? But who else? Who missed on a quarterback evaluation that consequently left the team in a 7-9 to 9-7 morass? Or, looking at it another way, how many truly great quarterbacks are there in the league today? Perhaps that means that the designation of “great” retains value. Some of this is relative. For example is Ryan really that much better than Flacco or does he just have a better supporting cast?
Furthermore , the Vikings busted out of the morass with a veteran free-agent, long thought to be skill challenged .
I think a more accurate observation would be that teams like the Browns who continually choose poorly regarding their quarterbacks , remain terrible for large stretches of time. If Gettleman is alluding to how difficult it is to find a great quarterback as opposed to a WCO-inflated , 93 QB rated check-down artist, then I completely agree
It will serve you well as you hear from this guy to remember that he is going to fan once in awhile. His observation that you first have to stop the run in today’s game is archaic. Look at of the yards per rush against of some of the teams who qualified for the playoffs. Like Jacksonville, for example. Don’t deify this guy. The same mistake was made about McAdoo. Gettleman is a solid front-office veteran with years of experience . I like him because he seems to emphasize the fronts of both units. But let’s not get swept away in a tide of hyperbole .
I was actually thinking about the same thing yesterday, regarding McAdoo and how his opening press conference (despite his appearance) garnered much of the same reaction as Gettlemans. If this past season has taught us anything, its to always temper your expectations.
Yeah but Gettleman has a track record as an elevator and GM. McAdoo had 2 years as an OC. Bit of a difference when creating expectations.
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Sure looks like a QB at #2 is good bet.
Or not.
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You draft a quarterback high, and you’re wrong? It sets you back, because then what happens, there are teams that I call, they’re in quarterback hell.
This tells me that if his guy isn't there, he's not reaching for someone and will go in a different direction because if he guesses wrong - he's in QB hell.
It was a mixed message for sure. Because if you skip the QB and build up the rest of the roster this year, that's precisely how you end up in that 7-9/8-8/9-7 purgatory because you have a team that's good enough to compete but doesn't have a QB and doesn't have a high enough pick to get one.
I think Gettleman is smart enough to give answers that sound really insightful yet reveal nothing. But I agree that I don't get the sense that he'll take a QB simply for the sake of taking one - they have to be worthy of the pick.
The wild card in all of this is how much influence Accorsi will continue to have, because I think we can safely assume what his vote will be.
Giants.com also published a video of Rosen and Darnold declaring but I see that as more of a smoke screen, make em think we're gonna take one of em and someone will pay up.
Can we stop with this silly angle please? If the Giants sell a QB bluff hard, it increases the value of Cleveland's pick at #1, not the Giants' pick at #2. You cannot represent one position ("we really, really want a QB, we swear") and then pivot to another that is completely contradictory ("we're open for business if you want to trade up") without having your bluff called in the process.
A: He was way ahead of his time. His book “The Winning Edge” was spectacular. He had so many things figured out and people can turn around and say, “Yeah, he had the benefit, he wasn’t dealing with the salary cap.” But for him to have the courage to tell Joe Montana it was time, and Ronnie Lott it was time, and Jerry Rice it was time — some great players that it was time, to have the courage to make those changes when he did, the Branch Rickey concept — better a year early than a year late.
hinting that he may let Eli go?
It goes to show you how people process information to align with their preconceived notions. Or that Gettleman did exactly what he wanted to with those quotes - reveal nothing.
Gettleman has a track record as an elevator?
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Gettleman is gonna be faced with drafting a QB if he lasts a few years as GM so I think he answered the question from that perspective not insinuating this year.
Giants.com also published a video of Rosen and Darnold declaring but I see that as more of a smoke screen, make em think we're gonna take one of em and someone will pay up.
Can we stop with this silly angle please? If the Giants sell a QB bluff hard, it increases the value of Cleveland's pick at #1, not the Giants' pick at #2. You cannot represent one position ("we really, really want a QB, we swear") and then pivot to another that is completely contradictory ("we're open for business if you want to trade up") without having your bluff called in the process.
This doesn’t make any sense. Cleveland isn’t trading out of 1. Most teams will assume they’re taking Rosen or Darnold. If the Giants pretend to have an interest in drafting a QB, and Rosen or Darnold is off the board, and a team wants Rosen or Darnold, they’d call the Giants for the pick.
If the Giants say we’re committed to Eli Manning and we’re not taking a QB at 2, no one will try to trade. The Colts or Browns will get those calls at 3/4 to jump Denver.
Agreed on all accounts, I believe the only trade the Giants are making is to 1, if they value one of the two top guys more than the other.
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.
Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?
You don’t seem very bright....
Like the Maras, he seems very conservative in a social and cultural sense. People he most admires are the head of an evangelical Christian charity organization and Netanyahu. He says we live in a "PC world." He talks in cliches. He is exactly what I thought Mara would hire: a guy who worked for them previously and shares their conservative views.
It's subjective and therefore personal, relative to your own subjective and personal perspective. Frankly, people should be allowed to admire whoever they want.
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I think we're absolutely taking a QB, and if we do trade, we're trading UP, not down.
Agreed on all accounts, I believe the only trade the Giants are making is to 1, if they value one of the two top guys more than the other.
And I don't see the Browns trading down unless they both come to different evaluations of the top QBs. Their new GM Dorsey is not going to move out of the 1st pick on his first draft.
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Q: What was your view of the infamous “boat trip” the week before the playoff game in Green Bay last January?
A: It’s not a good look. Who’s kidding who? Just like when [Tony] Romo and [Jason] Witten took off somewhere in [Cabo] that year. It’s not a good look.
Q: So you would be opposed to something like that?
A: Yes. Guys forget: There’s no guarantee you get in the playoffs every year. Ain’t no guarantee now! There’s no guarantee in this game.
a lot of BBI'ers will say Gettlemen is an idiot now with that statement because in their eyes it was no big deal or cause of what followed
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Yeah but Gettleman has a track record as an elevator and GM. McAdoo had 2 years as an OC. Bit of a difference when creating expectations.
Gettleman has a track record as an elevator?
That is a beautiful elevator.
The point itself regarding "quarterback hell" is valid and a potential reality for this franchise if they pass on one at 2.
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Q: What was your view of the infamous “boat trip” the week before the playoff game in Green Bay last January?
A: It’s not a good look. Who’s kidding who? Just like when [Tony] Romo and [Jason] Witten took off somewhere in [Cabo] that year. It’s not a good look.
Q: So you would be opposed to something like that?
A: Yes. Guys forget: There’s no guarantee you get in the playoffs every year. Ain’t no guarantee now! There’s no guarantee in this game.
a lot of BBI'ers will say Gettlemen is an idiot now with that statement because in their eyes it was no big deal or cause of what followed
There was nothing said there that wasn't said at the time. The initial criticism was "It's a poor optic". That's exactly what "It's a bad look" means.
The comparison to Witten and Romo going to Cabo with Jessica Simpson is spot on.
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That Walsh had the courage to tell Joe Montana, Rice, etc. That it was time raised an eyebrow for me.
Thanks for posting.
Of course, Walsh wasn't with the Niners when they moved on from Montana and Lott.
True, strictly speaking. But if people think McAdoo disrespected Eli, it pales to the way Walsh yanked Montana around in the last two years of his coaching tenure.
And that yanking around had everything to do with Walsh's willingness/eagerness to move on from Montana to Steve Young, who was five years younger.
Wonder how many people recall that, in the 1988 Week 2 game at Giants Stadium which Montana famously won with a last minute 80-yarder to Rice, it was Young who started and played the entire first half.
How precisely Gettleman recalls that entire episode, and what lessons he draws, makes for conjecture.
"BPA"
"Playmakers"
That's about it.
DG's style is much more transparent, without really giving anything sensitive away.
A good read.
That said, I think Gettleman is inclined to draft Allen if the Browns don't grab him and develop the hell out of him because he's the most physically talented, and if he's not available, he'll draft Barkley, play Eli, try to develop Webb, and maybe go QB next year or the year after. Of course, I could be way off. One thing I do know. Gettleman will be watching tape of Webb and every QB in this upcoming draft for days on end.
A: The obvious is the physical ability to do it, but it’s beyond that. It’s the leadership. It’s knowing how to rally the troops. It’s gotta be smarts. Head coach is a CEO, I gotta be a CEO, to a certain degree the quarterback’s gotta be a CEO. Put it in relatable terms — he’s gotta be a guy that if there’s a burning building and he says, “Let’s go,” he gets trampled.
Q: Do you have any size prototypes for a quarterback?
A: Who doesn’t want Cam Newton? Who doesn’t want that size prototype? You know, 6-[foot]-5, 245 [pounds], run a 4.5 [40-yard dash] — who the heck doesn’t want that? With the shorter guys — [Drew] Brees, Russell Wilson — their ability to slide and find the passing lane, that allows them to overcome the height issue. When you’re playing those guys, what you want to do is get inside pressure immediately, to not allow them to step up. Who doesn’t want a guy who’s a little bigger? It’s more about does he have the “it” factor? Is he a winner? Just because they go to the next level, it doesn’t necessarily stop. Some people are just winners.
Depending on who you're putting in the top ten, I suppose.
Goff was a #1, Ryan was a #3, Stafford was a #1, Rivers #4, Cam #1, Wentz #2
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A lot of people are saying we have to draft a QB because we are picking this high and you can’t pass on a franchise QB. I am curious If you look at the 10 best QBs in the league right now, how many were top 5 to top 10 picks?
Depending on who you're putting in the top ten, I suppose.
Goff was a #1, Ryan was a #3, Stafford was a #1, Rivers #4, Cam #1, Wentz #2
I could use those in my workplace. If this guy ever writes a book, I think I'd be interested in reading it
He will bring the HC in on this. Schwartz’s opinion, were he to be hired, would mean more than the Children’s because he’s prepared for Manning the last 2 seasons. He knows how much blame to assess to the oline, Beckham’s injury, the predictability of the offense, etc. One thing is for sure: Matt Millen (!) and Carl Banks won’t be brought in to the process .
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He is straight out of the 1950s. I don't think this will end well.
Wtf? THATS what you took away from that interview?
You don’t seem very bright....
Like the Maras, he seems very conservative in a social and cultural sense. People he most admires are the head of an evangelical Christian charity organization and Netanyahu. He says we live in a "PC world." He talks in cliches. He is exactly what I thought Mara would hire: a guy who worked for them previously and shares their conservative views.
Oh stop
The browns love trading down. They have "won" so many drafts over the last 20 years I have lost count. But now they are done trading down? Ok... not sure how anyone reached that conclusion but the smart money is on the browns trading down yet again. They love taking the qb that isn't the clear cut #1 or 2 in the draft.
The browns love trading down. They have "won" so many drafts over the last 20 years I have lost count. But now they are done trading down? Ok... not sure how anyone reached that conclusion but the smart money is on the browns trading down yet again. They love taking the qb that isn't the clear cut #1 or 2 in the draft.
They have a new GM who did an outstanding job building the Chiefs roster. They have so many picks already that they need quality not quantity.
It goes to show you how people process information to align with their preconceived notions. Or that Gettleman did exactly what he wanted to with those quotes - reveal nothing.
Exactly right