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Gettleman "Eli Apple has a clean slate with me"

larryinnewhaven : 1/5/2018 10:29 am
Interesting.
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I think this is a healthy approach  
adamg : 1/5/2018 10:30 am : link
Hope Eli pulls it together and is good to go next year
probably will still  
DCPollaro : 1/5/2018 10:31 am : link
be on a short leash
You beat me to it ...  
Beer Man : 1/5/2018 10:31 am : link
Sounds like Apple will be getting a second chance. Lets hope he grows up, learned something from it, and doesn't blow it.
RE: I think this is a healthy approach  
Brown Recluse : 1/5/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13773176 adamg said:
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Hope Eli pulls it together and is good to go next year


I agree. It is ultimately going to up to Eli to distance himself from his own mother though. Not sure if he will be able to do that. I hope for his sake, that he does and gets some help. Its actually a pretty sad situation he's in.
Exactly what you would expect him to say.  
smshmth8690 : 1/5/2018 10:33 am : link
.
it  
Les in TO : 1/5/2018 10:34 am : link
sounds like his life has been out of control since he cut off his step dad who was a strong and positive influence in his life. maybe there is hope of a reconciliation. apple showed he had talent in his rookie year. this past year was a disaster but clearly his head was not in the game, and this is not a game you can play in if you have off field distractions that you can't or won't control.
He must have participated in the  
RottenApple : 1/5/2018 10:36 am : link
Secret Santa.
RE: probably will still  
JonC : 1/5/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13773180 DCPollaro said:
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be on a short leash


Yup, expect the same for Flowers.
RE: probably will still  
old man : 1/5/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 13773180 DCPollaro said:
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be on a short leash

+1.
DG will put it on the HC to daddy him first.
Was hoping  
RinR : 1/5/2018 10:40 am : link
Gettleman would do this. Cannot give up on him yet but agree that he is probably on a very short leash.
Now let's see...  
EricJ : 1/5/2018 10:41 am : link
if they can teach him how to cover...
It's worth a shot  
Greg from LI : 1/5/2018 10:41 am : link
Apple IS a talented kid. I'm not optimistic that he'll get his shit together, though.
Cover play hasn't been his problem  
JonC : 1/5/2018 10:45 am : link
his problem is staying focused and minding his hands.

He played very well during his rookie season.
Zero Tolerance  
Sammo85 : 1/5/2018 10:47 am : link
should be in effect here.
Man if I was Eli Apple  
DC Gmen Fan : 1/5/2018 10:48 am : link
I would do everything possible at this time to redeem myself on and off the field. He better put the effort in to grow up and mature as a player. And tell his mom to stfu
right thing to do. Give both these guys a clean slate but with  
Victor in CT : 1/5/2018 10:53 am : link
a short leash. One last chance to prove themselves worthy.
and by staying focused  
JonC : 1/5/2018 10:55 am : link
I mean his mental approach to being a pro, playing nice with others, getting his head turned around on deep passes, bringing full effort chasing plays and tackling, etc.

Any deviations reflects on his person, poorly especially after the 2017 campaign.
There are two ways to approach this:  
Keith : 1/5/2018 10:55 am : link
1. Take a hard line with Eli Apple. This will leave the Giants with 1 option. Releasing him. Nobody is trading for him and he will push further away and completely splinter the relationship.

2. Publicly say this. Now we aren't in a position where we have to try and trade him(and get a 7th rounder) and there's a chance he can come back and contribute.
I will come out and say it  
superspynyg : 1/5/2018 10:56 am : link
Eli Apple needs therapy. He has too much baggage right now and its damn hard to get through baggage without help.
Good.  
Beezer : 1/5/2018 11:00 am : link
So far I like the way Gettleman is handling things.

IMO, Apple and Flowers SHOULD have clean slates with the new regime. And short leashes.

As Long As Mommy  
pa_giant_fan : 1/5/2018 11:01 am : link
Is still pulling the strings there's little hope he grows up.
He's still a kid.  
LI NHB : 1/5/2018 11:02 am : link
I have faith he can figure it out.
So far so good  
arniefez : 1/5/2018 11:06 am : link
exactly how Gettleman should play it. Meet with him say clean slate and then decide how to get rid of him. Same with Flowers.
This is the best outcome  
allstarjim : 1/5/2018 11:07 am : link
But Gettleman isn't the one that is going to have to really deal with Apple on the day-to-day. It's the new coaching staff and his teammates. For Apple, he must be earn the respect back of his teammates and earn the confidence of the new coaching staff, every day.

I hope he does that and takes advantage of this new start.
with the investment in Apple and Flowers  
chuckydee9 : 1/5/2018 11:09 am : link
this is the only way to play it.. They know they have a short leash.. if they can fix things then they'll stay otherwise they are gone.. and he used Hart as an example..

So far Gettleman gets an A+ from me as far as ho he has handled everything..
I'll be surprised  
David B. : 1/5/2018 11:12 am : link
If this works out for Apple or Flowers. Neither is a "team guy" by nature.
I hope someone is alos doing some behind-the-scence work  
Jay in Toronto : 1/5/2018 11:13 am : link
with Collins, Snacks etc. It is doomed unless they are all on the same page.
It's a mistake if they don't cut him in the offseason.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/5/2018 11:18 am : link
So, if he's on a short leash, but doesn't fuck up until during the regular season, they're going to cut him then, and have a huge hole on the roster during the season that they won't be able to fill? Stupid.

Just cut him this offseason so you can then address the position in the offseason. Unless, they're not expecting to win next season and it doesn't matter. If they're going to cut him, just get it over with.
RE: I'll be surprised  
Greg from LI : 1/5/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13773284 David B. said:
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If this works out for Apple or Flowers. Neither is a "team guy" by nature.


What do you base that Flowers comment on? Raanan's bullshit?
you can address the CB position AND not cut him  
ron mexico : 1/5/2018 11:20 am : link
the two aren't mutually exclusive.

There is little to no cap savings from cutting him, even with the voided future guaranteed salary
Given you would get nothing for him in a trade....  
njm : 1/5/2018 11:22 am : link
and nothing by cutting him, why not?

Presumably his mother won't have brain surgery next season and if he can accepts new advisors he might get his head screwed back on straight.
The air was cleared at the meeting  
AnnapolisMike : 1/5/2018 11:38 am : link
and Apple knows what is expected. If Apple had been belligerent at his meeting with Gettleman...then things would be different.

Apple makes the Giants a better team if the personal bullshit is set aside.
Apple Needs A JPP Generated Trip  
Trainmaster : 1/5/2018 11:40 am : link
To the ice bath.

Rinse and repeat until he grows up.

If that doesnít work, bring in LT to break his nose (though it didnít seem to help Derek Brown).
just shows what a pussy  
UConn4523 : 1/5/2018 11:40 am : link
Reese was. This is how you handle it.
Dont bitch about the pain  
NoPeanutz : 1/5/2018 11:49 am : link
just show me the baby.
This is that philosophy in action.
Apple has a clean slate with Gettleman- but the slate isnt Gettleman's to give. If Apple continues to suck, DG will bench him. And he doesnt have to make amends with DG- DG wasnt around this year. It's his teammates and fans he has to win back. If he continues to be an asshole, he won't last long.
All that matters is tomorrow.
I may be reading too much into this,  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 11:49 am : link
but part of me thinks this may be a sign that Wilks is the frontrunner for the HC job. Former DB coach (and AHC), then DC, someone with whom DG has strong familiarity - that would be the leadership personality that could give DG full confidence to wipe the slate clean with Apple and build up his maturity.

Like I said, probably reading too much into this, just thought I'd share my view.
Great  
PaulN : 1/5/2018 11:53 am : link
Apple is on notice and knows his antics are over, now it's time to produce, great approach.
RE: I may be reading too much into this,  
BillKo : 1/5/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13773384 Gatorade Dunk said:
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but part of me thinks this may be a sign that Wilks is the frontrunner for the HC job. Former DB coach (and AHC), then DC, someone with whom DG has strong familiarity - that would be the leadership personality that could give DG full confidence to wipe the slate clean with Apple and build up his maturity.

Like I said, probably reading too much into this, just thought I'd share my view.


Commanding the locker room is important, but DG isn't picking his coach just to help with the Apple situation.

Apple is going to make this work on his own, with the help of whoever is the HC. Apple has to want to be an NFL player, not just a guy playing NFL football (as DG was quoted).
Adam Jones is still in the NFL ten years after being written off.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/5/2018 12:00 pm : link
He never became a choirboy, and he still gets fined or suspended occasionally. If PacMan can salvage a career, Eli Apple certainly can. Don't know whether it can happen here, but Gettleman is right to give it a shot.
Increases the chance  
jeff57 : 1/5/2018 12:40 pm : link
That they waive DRC to save cap room
This is a precursor to a trade to Seattle for  
Slade : 1/5/2018 12:45 pm : link
a 5th round draft pick....
RE: just shows what a pussy  
ron mexico : 1/5/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13773358 UConn4523 said:
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Reese was. This is how you handle it.


I'd hardly call it "handled". They had a conversation in the offseason. Its easy to say the right things in a meeting and I'm sure EA will need a lot more than one convo with the GM to right his ship.

RE: Adam Jones is still in the NFL ten years after being written off.  
ron mexico : 1/5/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13773419 Big Blue Blogger said:
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He never became a choirboy, and he still gets fined or suspended occasionally. If PacMan can salvage a career, Eli Apple certainly can. Don't know whether it can happen here, but Gettleman is right to give it a shot.


yeah but his problems were never on the field and in the locker room like Eli's
As long as you donít  
RetroJint : 1/5/2018 12:52 pm : link
hear ďsubstance abuseĒ attached to Eli, there is no need to move him. Guys like Greinke & Votto in MLB need regular psychiatric aftercare . It did wonders for Brandon Marshall. Apple needs counseling and therapy but the Giants need new defensive coaches . Spagnuolo coughed up the bit in Ď17. Whatever the hell went on, itís time to term it and begin anew .
re. Adam Jones  
NoPeanutz : 1/5/2018 12:53 pm : link
Jones has played with Dallas and Cincinnati- two franchises that have an exceptional tolerance for players with issues, violence and general shenanigans.
His career with them is no proof of rehabilitation.
Remember what Gettlemen said "You don't give up on talent"  
Blue21 : 1/5/2018 1:13 pm : link
And I sure he means first round talent especially. Plus you don't want to lessen his trade value if the right deal comes along. My guess is he'll keep a close eye on it because he also mention the locker room atmosophere and comraderie so it'll be a short leash.
RE: RE: just shows what a pussy  
UConn4523 : 1/5/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13773536 ron mexico said:
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Reese was. This is how you handle it.



I'd hardly call it "handled". They had a conversation in the offseason. Its easy to say the right things in a meeting and I'm sure EA will need a lot more than one convo with the GM to right his ship.


Iím not saying itís over and done with. What Iím saying is the foundation was laid for the remainder of Apples career as a Giant which is something that likely didnít happen his past season when things started going bad. We have someone in charge who isnít going to put up with crap like this, itís refreshing.
I dont think he can handle his teammates  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/5/2018 1:25 pm : link
or criticism. Dont see him lasting.
RE: RE: RE: just shows what a pussy  
ron mexico : 1/5/2018 1:30 pm : link
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Reese was. This is how you handle it.



I'd hardly call it "handled". They had a conversation in the offseason. Its easy to say the right things in a meeting and I'm sure EA will need a lot more than one convo with the GM to right his ship.




Iím not saying itís over and done with. What Iím saying is the foundation was laid for the remainder of Apples career as a Giant which is something that likely didnít happen his past season when things started going bad. We have someone in charge who isnít going to put up with crap like this, itís refreshing.


I think you are making a ton of assumptions about what happened in the past and what will happen in the future.

And how does giving someone a clean slate equate to not putting up with crap like this? If anything its the exact opposite. Apple got a free pass for past behavior.
RE: RE: RE: just shows what a pussy  
T-Bone : 1/5/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13773636 UConn4523 said:
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Reese was. This is how you handle it.



I'd hardly call it "handled". They had a conversation in the offseason. Its easy to say the right things in a meeting and I'm sure EA will need a lot more than one convo with the GM to right his ship.




Iím not saying itís over and done with. What Iím saying is the foundation was laid for the remainder of Apples career as a Giant which is something that likely didnít happen his past season when things started going bad. We have someone in charge who isnít going to put up with crap like this, itís refreshing.


Woudn't it be the coaches job to deal with this? What GM on what team would've gotten involved?
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David B. : 1/5/2018 2:02 pm : link
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What do you base that Flowers comment on? Raanan's bullshit?


Which part of Raanan's article do you think is bullshit?

I don't give a shit about the secret santa incident by itself, but the rest of that article suggested it was a pattern -- that neither guy would participate in OL activities, the OL camaraderie that all OLs seem to thinks build's OL chemistry/cohesion, or even take tips from the veteran OLs -- sounds pretty damning.

I understand Raanan had his run-in with Flowers, and could well be banging the drum to get him gone, but I presume there he'd have way too much to lose to be outright fabricating that story out of thin air.

And IF it's true, it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Gettleman SAID he wanted for the locker room culture. Same with Apple.


RE: RE: RE: RE: just shows what a pussy  
UConn4523 : 1/5/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13773662 T-Bone said:
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Reese was. This is how you handle it.



I'd hardly call it "handled". They had a conversation in the offseason. Its easy to say the right things in a meeting and I'm sure EA will need a lot more than one convo with the GM to right his ship.




Iím not saying itís over and done with. What Iím saying is the foundation was laid for the remainder of Apples career as a Giant which is something that likely didnít happen his past season when things started going bad. We have someone in charge who isnít going to put up with crap like this, itís refreshing.



Woudn't it be the coaches job to deal with this? What GM on what team would've gotten involved?


There is no coach...
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UConn4523 : 1/5/2018 2:10 pm : link
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Reese was. This is how you handle it.



I'd hardly call it "handled". They had a conversation in the offseason. Its easy to say the right things in a meeting and I'm sure EA will need a lot more than one convo with the GM to right his ship.




Iím not saying itís over and done with. What Iím saying is the foundation was laid for the remainder of Apples career as a Giant which is something that likely didnít happen his past season when things started going bad. We have someone in charge who isnít going to put up with crap like this, itís refreshing.



I think you are making a ton of assumptions about what happened in the past and what will happen in the future.

And how does giving someone a clean slate equate to not putting up with crap like this? If anything its the exact opposite. Apple got a free pass for past behavior.


Gettelman wasn't employed by the Giants when this all happened. He's sticking with Apple and Flowers because of their draft status and upside. Keeping Apple isn't really giving him a free pass - its giving him 1 more chance under his watch.

The entire point I tried making which is apparently alluding some is that our new GM sounds like he's having the right discussions with the right attitude and putting it on the players to change.
To Eli Apple from DG  
Reale01 : 1/5/2018 2:19 pm : link
1. Sorry for all the personal trouble you have faced this year. Are you all right? How can we help?
2. I have seen some good things from you on the field and think you can have a good career in the NFL and make some money for your family.
3. Do you want to play football in the NFL?
4. What happened in 2017 cannot and will not continue.
5. We want you to be a NYG and will start fresh from this point on with the organization.
6. This is what we expect from you. (List: Work hard, stay out of trouble, show respect for coaches and teammates, be a good teammate, be a pro, be resilient)
7. You are not entitled to special favors and will need to earn what you get including your teammates respect.
8. There will be some difficult times ahead. We will help, but it is up to you.
9. People have short memories. You CAN turn this around.


or
Eli A.  
Rong5611 : 1/5/2018 2:27 pm : link
Right move, he was the 9th pick in the draft and showed promise in 2016 as a rookie.

With regard to Flowers, I think he is likely gone. I still think he can be a good RG, but not if he has a bad attitude.
Eli Apple  
Giantslifer : 1/5/2018 6:05 pm : link
1) Keep your mother away from anything to do with this team
2) Do whatever you have to do in off season to get head right
3)Get on Landon Collins good side
4) 2 strikes- no more bullshit
get Belichick  
Mr. Nickels : 1/5/2018 10:25 pm : link
as HC and Apple is the holder for field goals and that's it
"Clean slate"  
PEEJ : 1/5/2018 10:28 pm : link
Translation: one last chance
RE: get Belichick  
chopperhatch : 1/6/2018 2:23 am : link
In comment 13774496 Mr. Nickels said:
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as HC and Apple is the holder for field goals and that's it


More likely BB gets the most out of the young man....or he's gone.
Surprise  
Dragon : 1/6/2018 7:20 am : link
DG itís really quite simple Apple ďBend The KneeĒ he did doubt he can live long every mistake will be a step closer to a fiery death.
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