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Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 2:44 pm
Didn't see a thread about it. Love this guy so fingers crossed...
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Yep I don't get the love for Patricia. Brady is the reason  
Blue21 : 1/5/2018 3:34 pm : link
this team wins. 28th in the league with an offense that stays on the field? That's horrible. Let him go to Arizona. He's going there anyway.
RE: RE: RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
BillKo : 1/5/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13773943 BillKo said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.





Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.



Christ, can those numbers really be right?

35 points a game in during on season?



I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.

That's about 20.


You need to go in a different direction....ain't working.

You were looking at points scored by NE lol
Patriot dynasty has *never* been without  
Chris684 : 1/5/2018 3:36 pm : link
Sorry about that
*Without* Bill or the Pats  
Chris684 : 1/5/2018 3:36 pm : link
Damn it
ThatLimerickGuy  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 3:37 pm : link
Not sure where those numbers are from.

2017 they were 5th in points allowed:


2016 they were 1st in points allowed:


2015 they were 10th in points allowed:


2014 they were 8th in points allowed:


This is all with average talent at best. To me, that's a great coaching job.
RE: The Patriots defense  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/5/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13773917 Jerry K said:
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was 5th best in the league this year in points allowed. Last year they were ranked #1.


Since he has been DC, the Pats have never been out of the top 10 best in points allowed. The year before he was named DC, they were mid-pack of the NFL.
RE: RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
The Dude : 1/5/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13773949 christian said:
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Unless I am crazy PPG from both ESPN and PFR:

2012 - 20.7 PPG 9/32
2013 - 21.1 PPG 10/32
2014 - 19.6 PPG 8/32
2015 - 19.7 PPG 10/32
2016 - 15.6 PPG 1/32
2017 - 18.5 PPG 5/32


And always in the lead. Easy to let up points in that respect. (although point can be made that its easier to defend when always leading, but half the league ups their offense stats in the last 8 mins of the 4th)
He will come with the Hoodie...  
Slade : 1/5/2018 3:40 pm : link
Even better!
RE: RE: RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
BillKo : 1/5/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13773964 The Dude said:
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Unless I am crazy PPG from both ESPN and PFR:

2012 - 20.7 PPG 9/32
2013 - 21.1 PPG 10/32
2014 - 19.6 PPG 8/32
2015 - 19.7 PPG 10/32
2016 - 15.6 PPG 1/32
2017 - 18.5 PPG 5/32



And always in the lead. Easy to let up points in that respect. (although point can be made that its easier to defend when always leading, but half the league ups their offense stats in the last 8 mins of the 4th)


It's a good point....play soft, don't get beat deep because the Patriots offense has you usually out in front.
RE: He will come with the Hoodie...  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13773965 Slade said:
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Even better!


If you're wrong about this, prepare to be slaughtered!
The big reveal post is based on how many the Pats scored  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/5/2018 3:43 pm : link
not how many they gave up. Which is an odd way of evaluating a DC...
I prefer him over Josh  
Ceez2.0 : 1/5/2018 3:43 pm : link
McDaniels but the lack of success of any BB disciple is disconcerting to say the least.
Epic  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/5/2018 3:45 pm : link
Fail....
RE: Anyone who thinks the  
81_Great_Dane : 1/5/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13773844 Josh in the City said:
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As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”

That doesn't really follow. One is math. It's difficult math, but it's still math. There's a mathematical solution.

Football is not math. It's not solvable.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/5/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13773934 Josh in the City said:
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amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.



Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!


I read that as "Mr. Tisch will not be involved in the interview process until after a decision is made."

If I owned half a professional football team, I would want to be in the room during such an interview.
My fault  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/5/2018 3:47 pm : link
My bads.

Mea Culpa.

You guys are all right.

Only ESPN would have an interface which shows offensive statistics on a team defense page.

As for Slade, stop it man. Just stop it. It's over.


Another gold star  
B in ALB : 1/5/2018 3:48 pm : link
for Limerick guy. Well done!
Eric  
fkap : 1/5/2018 3:54 pm : link
when I had work done on my house, I wanted it done right. So I hired an expert.

Supposedly Tisch was in on the hiring of Gettleman. Now that he hired the expert, he's sitting back and letting G do the job. Tisch has never really gotten all that involved in running the football side of things. He tends to come out of the woodwork when things are going horribly wrong and he growls enough to let his partner know shit has to change. Otherwise, he cashes his dividend checks and lets others run the show. I wish Mara were a bit more like that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Which one's the  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13773930 Josh in the City said:
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doosh?


Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"


You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.


Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.



We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.

Here's a fun one for you Josh, on the Dalvin Tomlinson draft pick thread:
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This is an
Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 8:56 pm : link
absolutely horrendous pick. Shouldn't have been drafted until tomorrow.
New York Giants 2nd Round Pick: DT Dalvin Tomlinson

Just for context, here's what Sy had to say about his rookie year:
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Rookie Dalvin Tomlinson had his second best game of the season, totaling 4 tackles and 2 pressures. He had arguably the best year of all the rookie DTs in the league and will be a reliable starter on this team for a long time, no matter the scheme.


But it's not always just draft picks that you get irrational about. Sometimes it's a coach. And sometimes your solution is a coworker of your current flavor of the week:

"We Should Hire Josh McDaniels"
I don't envy the GM's who have to make the calls  
arniefez : 1/5/2018 4:00 pm : link
on head coaches and QB's. It's an art not a science. There is no projection formula going from a coordinator to a head coach. It a totally different skill set. I'm not sure previous successful or failed experience as a HC is a indicator either because there are so many variables. There are so few people who are good NFL coaches. Choosing a minor league QB moving to the NFL is just as difficult both the on field and off field variables are so different in every case. I hope Gettleman gets them right if he really has the authority to make the choices.

My vote are McDaniels & Rosen. But my record is way below the Mendoza line. So hopefully it's neither.
RE: Another gold star  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/5/2018 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13773988 B in ALB said:
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for Limerick guy. Well done!


Hey Hey Hey there is already a pissing match going on in this thread. You know the rules- one per thread.
RE: Enough about how smart Patricia is already  
Lefty : 1/5/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13773868 Greg from LI said:
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Didn't Handley go to Stanford law school? Yeah.


This is so idiotic its not even funny. Its a false comparison a common flaw.

Are there only two variables?

If one follows your logic...."if one is smart then he is a bad coach cause Handley was smart and was a bad coach."

Um, there are other variables. Such a childish way to think.
Matty P could be really great.  
idiotsavant : 1/5/2018 4:04 pm : link
I am excited.
RE: RE: Another gold star  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13774009 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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for Limerick guy. Well done!



Hey Hey Hey there is already a pissing match going on in this thread. You know the rules- one per thread.


LOL that pissing match is over. You know the rule...don't engage the troll. Let him bitch to himself.
Gatorade  
Bob in Vt : 1/5/2018 4:09 pm : link
Josh is slamming a pick - not slamming another poster.

Just let it go. Neither of you come out ahead in this.

We all have emotional posts. Well, most of us. I don't think Bill2 is capable of going over the top - he is way too stable and even keeled. I would love to be able to post as well as he does.
Matty P could be really great.  
idiotsavant : 1/5/2018 4:20 pm : link
I am excited.
In terms of the Pats defense being the worst  
GiantsFanPatsLand : 1/5/2018 4:27 pm : link
They have been playing stellar the last few months and look to continue that into the playoffs. I dont think that we can judge his defense by overall stats but rather how they played recently since thats a true measure of their defense
RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
JonC : 1/5/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.



Very interesting stats, I didn't anticipate an annual contender with multiple rings to rank that low. But, I wouldn't say they've won championships in spite of the defense either.
Jon C  
LG in NYC : 1/5/2018 4:38 pm : link
look again - those stats were wrong and have been corrected on this thread
LG  
JonC : 1/5/2018 4:42 pm : link
Geezus, thanks!
RE: RE: He will come with the Hoodie...  
Heisenberg : 1/5/2018 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13773972 Josh in the City said:
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Even better!



If you're wrong about this, prepare to be slaughtered!


Slade is wrong about everything
Chances are Slim and None  
Samiam : 1/5/2018 4:52 pm : link
In his favor, NE defenses get better as the year goes on. That shows good coaching. But I'm sure someone mentioned, the one constant theme in their defenses if Belecheck. If Patricia wants to come to NY, I'm sure he'd make a good coordinator. Second, injuries aside, the Giants have the makings of a fairly good defense. Their offense needs a major overhaul. And, there's are good odds, Eli's replacement is coming in this draft. But, even it turns out to be Webb, and we're going the coordinator route I'm guessing that an OC has a better chance than a DC.

But, to my main point. The job of a coordinator or just assistant coach is so different than a head coach that it saying that so and so was a great coordinator tells you very little about how good a coach they would be. Bill Arnsberger, way back when, was a great DC under Don Shula. I think he was the DC on the undefeated Dolphin team; if not, he was the architect of great defenses. He was a horrible head coach; he was not a leader. And speaking of bad leaders, McAdoo had great credentials as an assistant coach. How did that work out? Does anybody here know anything about Patricia's leadership skills, organizational skills, motivational skills, media skills, etc? I don't know how you can. Maybe he's going to blow the GM out of the water with the interview but I'm guessing Patricia has no chance of getting the job.
RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
Section331 : 1/5/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.



This is what I’ve been saying all along, this guy’s defenses have regularly sucked. I don’t get the fascination with him. And no thank you to Wills either. One year as a coordinator? I’d have thought we would have learned our lesson.
Gotta love it  
Modus Operandi : 1/5/2018 4:58 pm : link
When fake asshats go after other fake asshats for dishing bad asshat info.

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As for Slade, stop it man. Just stop it. It's over.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
TommyWiseau : 1/5/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13773896 Jay on the Island said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.




Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.


Give me Wilks, guy has passion, fire and is a heck of a coach.
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Shepherdsam : 1/5/2018 5:05 pm : link
LimerickGuy brought the lumber.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13774087 Section331 said:
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In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.





This is what I’ve been saying all along, this guy’s defenses have regularly sucked. I don’t get the fascination with him. And no thank you to Wills either. One year as a coordinator? I’d have thought we would have learned our lesson.


The info is wrong. Pats defense has consistently been top 10 since Patricia has been their DC.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
paesan98 : 1/5/2018 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13773906 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.





Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.


Those numbers are NOT correct. New England has consistently been near the top of the list for LEAST points given up. I have no idea where your numbers come from. The rankings (28th this year, etc..) you listed I believe are for yards per game allowed. While considered poor, yards given up are not a consideration in the Pats defensive scheme. They're willing to give up 500 yards a game if they can hold you to 6 points.
Sometimes people need to look back from their screen  
BestFeature : 1/5/2018 5:37 pm : link
and think whether the numbers make sense. I can't believe how many people didn't realize there was a problem with those numbers.
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Diver_Down : 1/5/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13774103 Shepherdsam said:
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LimerickGuy brought the lumber.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.


McDaniels interview completed  
jeff57 : 1/5/2018 6:24 pm : link
Shurmur tomorrow. Schwartz on Sunday.
RE: RE: Enough about how smart Patricia is already  
Reb8thVA : 1/5/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13774011 Lefty said:
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Didn't Handley go to Stanford law school? Yeah.



This is so idiotic its not even funny. Its a false comparison a common flaw.

Are there only two variables?

If one follows your logic...."if one is smart then he is a bad coach cause Handley was smart and was a bad coach."

Um, there are other variables. Such a childish way to think.
you read it wrong. Greg is questioning the assumption that if you are smart you automatically are a good coach. Handley was smart enough to go to Stanford but was a bad coach
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Bill2 : 1/5/2018 7:01 pm : link
That's known as trolling before you are on water
RE: RE: RE: It's  
AnishPatel : 1/5/2018 7:04 pm : link
In comment 13773983 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13773915 Eric from BBI said:


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amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.



Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!



I read that as "Mr. Tisch will not be involved in the interview process until after a decision is made."

If I owned half a professional football team, I would want to be in the room during such an interview.


Unless it's a business move at this point to be co-owner. Give me my money, you guys do the football side. If the fans and media, and optics look bad, like it did this season. I will take part and meet, otherwise you run the football side, and tell me how we did this year with profits.
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TurdFurguson : 1/5/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13774103 Shepherdsam said:
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LimerickGuy brought the lumber.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.


Well done, sir.
Has Tisch ever been involved?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/5/2018 10:32 pm : link
This is why I'm so confused when people have snarky comments to make every time he says something. He's practically a silent partner and never does anything to upset the apple cart.
Matt Patricia sounds like a very interesting candidate  
mfsd : 1/5/2018 10:37 pm : link
But calling him “Matty P” sounds really obnoxious. It’s as if the OP is trying to imply he somehow knows more about him than the rest of us and is trying to claim credit for being “on him” before anyone.

Reminds me of Francesa calling Johnny Bench “John Bench” repeatedly...as if nobody (not even Bench himself) knew him better than Mike
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arcarsenal : 1/5/2018 10:47 pm : link
Wow, what a fucking disaster this thread is.

I'm bummed that I'm late to the party.
I'll add my vote for Patricia  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/5/2018 10:51 pm : link
although I don't know much about his personality, his results can't be argued with...especially considering the talent he has worked with. He coaches guys up. This team needs that.
re: Genius aka brain power  
bc4life : 1/6/2018 2:48 pm : link
Our DLine coach is Harvard guy - did you notice a difference?
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