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Interesting FB update from former NYG/Pats OG Bob Kratch

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/5/2018 6:48 pm
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Mr. Belichick will be the next Head Coach for the NY Giants! I have a good source. Mark my word!
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RE: Whether you think the article is pure BS or not...  
Sean : 1/5/2018 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13774268 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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There's definitely some smoke, especially after the drama with TB's trainer last month. I have a lot of cousins who are Pat fans who have been saying this all season that something seems to be coming to a head soon.

Throw in Belichick's known love for the Giants/current opening and it breeds speculation. Do I think it happens? No, probably not. But forgive all of us dreaming for it the first week of January after probably one of the most disappointing seasons in Giants history.


Exactly. Basically, if he was ever going to leave and try to further shape his legacy as the greatest HC of all time, itís now. The stars are aligned. Will it happen? Probably not. But it is not outrageous to speculate.
RE: micky..  
micky : 1/5/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13774249 Sean said:
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Whatís wrong with people speculating? Itís a message board. All season you insisted McAdoo & Reese weíre safe. You stated it as fact.


don't put a whammy on my opposites!!!😁😁
Belichick firing that trainer is proof something is up.  
bceagle05 : 1/5/2018 7:39 pm : link
They can deny all they want.
RE: Isn't that the name of  
Chef : 1/5/2018 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13774224 AnishPatel said:
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the character in the Christmas carol?

That would be Bob Krachet
It really is incredible.. the whole Brady/Bellicheck/Garrapolo/Kraft  
DennyInDenville : 1/5/2018 7:42 pm : link
Deal..

Makes perfect sense that Bellicheck is either leaving or retiring

Jimmy G was his guy to win with after Brady and Kraft said no..

I bet Bellicheck doesn't even have a contract next year and will be free to leave and come home to New Jersey
RE: A what compensation cost?  
Ira : 1/5/2018 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13774226 GFAN52 said:
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Unless the Patriots outright fired him, they'll demand high compensation in picks I would suspect.


Acquiring Gruden from the Raiders cost the Bucs two 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks + cash.
might not need compensation if the alternative  
markky : 1/5/2018 7:44 pm : link
is for Bill to stay in NE in a very uncomfortable situation with Kraft and Brady. Kraft might just let him leave.

Also, he may not be under contract for next year yet.
To take this really seriously for a minute:  
81_Great_Dane : 1/5/2018 7:46 pm : link
This causes a dilemma with McDaniels and Patricia. If BB is leaving New England, presumably one of those guys moves up. Probably McDaniels. If not, and you want one of them, you need to pull the trigger fast, because they'll get offers.
RE: RE: A what compensation cost?  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13774285 Ira said:
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In comment 13774226 GFAN52 said:


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Unless the Patriots outright fired him, they'll demand high compensation in picks I would suspect.



Acquiring Gruden from the Raiders cost the Bucs two 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks + cash.


That's correct. As I posted above, the Giants will probably have to give up a 2019 #1 pick as a starting point (no way they'll give up this years 2nd overall pick). Pats will want more than that for sure.
I'll give Pats whatever they want  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/5/2018 7:48 pm : link
For Bill.
RE: might not need compensation if the alternative  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13774287 markky said:
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is for Bill to stay in NE in a very uncomfortable situation with Kraft and Brady. Kraft might just let him leave.

Also, he may not be under contract for next year yet.


Kraft always has him under contract so he wouldn't be tempted to leave for the Giants. Doubtful he just lets him walk without any compensation.
It's a safe assumption  
larryflower37 : 1/5/2018 7:50 pm : link
If it doesn't happen this year it will never happen.
The stars are aligned.
Hopefully Mara and Tisch recognize it and jump on it.
Lol ... this shit doesn't stop  
short lease : 1/5/2018 7:51 pm : link
Love to see it happen but, ... the speculation is like a CA wildfire out of control
Not saying this isn't true...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/5/2018 7:53 pm : link
But is there to link to the primary source Kratch's Facebook account?)

I've tried searching and can't find it myself.
RE: I'll give Pats whatever they want  
jnoble : 1/5/2018 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13774297 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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For Bill.


Hell, I'd even be willing to throw in Eli Apple ;-)
Forget it, I found it  
Dan in the Springs : 1/5/2018 7:55 pm : link
Thanks
RE: Not saying this isn't true...  
markky : 1/5/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13774306 Dan in the Springs said:
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But is there to link to the primary source Kratch's Facebook account?)

I've tried searching and can't find it myself.

bob kratch facebook page - ( New Window )
RE: Not saying this isn't true...  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13774306 Dan in the Springs said:
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But is there to link to the primary source Kratch's Facebook account?)

I've tried searching and can't find it myself.

Link - ( New Window )
Belichick is also 65 years old  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/5/2018 7:56 pm : link
FWIW
RE: RE: I'll give Pats whatever they want  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/5/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13774310 jnoble said:
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In comment 13774297 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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For Bill.



Hell, I'd even be willing to throw in Eli Apple ;-)


I'll give a pinkie for Bill, Ronnie Lott style.
The Daily News article clarifies that New England does not let  
markky : 1/5/2018 7:58 pm : link
Bellichick enter the final year of his contract, meaning they probably sign one year deals and he is always under contract. So technically we would need to compensate.

My new theory is that Bill himself is stirring shit up or letting drama become public to increase chances of negotiating a release.
Don't forget how  
Chef : 1/5/2018 7:59 pm : link
he screwed the Jets?
The Pats can have whatever they want  
Go Terps : 1/5/2018 8:03 pm : link
Picks, players, anything. Would anyone really let Sam Darnold be the reason we didn't get the greatest coach ever?
Bob Kratch was just live on facebook  
markky : 1/5/2018 8:04 pm : link
not sure he knew he was live. he was talking to someone on his phone
RE: Don't forget how  
markky : 1/5/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13774325 Chef said:
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he screwed the Jets?


don't think so. he decided he was manipulated by Big Bill into being tied to the Jets job (he was promoted if Bill P quit, which he did, which locked him in). So Lil Bill went nuclear and forced the Jets into letting him go.

don't forget how Parcells:

1. screwed the Giants by leaving the Giants after Bellichick left for Cleveland.

2. screwed Tampa by courting them to the point where they fired Dungy, then backing out.

So my view is that Parcells screwed with Bellichick twice, the Giants once and Tampa once.
If I were BB's agent,  
81_Great_Dane : 1/5/2018 8:11 pm : link
I'd have asked for a buyout or some similar escape clause in the contract, so if he wanted to go, there'd be a mechanism for that.

If management agreed, they would probably insist on a very high figure for the buyout. Otherwise, they wouldn't agree at all, and would just insist on whatever compensation another team would give, which would have to be a lot.

If this is in play, the Giants probably cover the cost of the buyout as part of his deal.
I've Been watching his life stream  
Dan in the Springs : 1/5/2018 8:12 pm : link
And he's saying it's his personal opinion and is based on the media reports including the ESPN article about a riff. He said he thinks it makes great sense. Then he went on to promote a fitness diet guy.

My guess is that he's trying us Giants fans to increase the his on his live feed.
left nut  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/5/2018 8:14 pm : link
anyone?
RE: If I were BB's agent,  
arcarsenal : 1/5/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13774343 81_Great_Dane said:
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I'd have asked for a buyout or some similar escape clause in the contract, so if he wanted to go, there'd be a mechanism for that.

If management agreed, they would probably insist on a very high figure for the buyout. Otherwise, they wouldn't agree at all, and would just insist on whatever compensation another team would give, which would have to be a lot.

If this is in play, the Giants probably cover the cost of the buyout as part of his deal.


Well, that's what I brought up in the other thread.

No one actually knows any details about Bill's contract. It's literally a complete mystery. He and the Pats FO are the only ones that know what it entails.

So, who knows - maybe there is some sort of out clause in there.
RE: RE: If I were BB's agent,  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13774352 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13774343 81_Great_Dane said:


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I'd have asked for a buyout or some similar escape clause in the contract, so if he wanted to go, there'd be a mechanism for that.

If management agreed, they would probably insist on a very high figure for the buyout. Otherwise, they wouldn't agree at all, and would just insist on whatever compensation another team would give, which would have to be a lot.

If this is in play, the Giants probably cover the cost of the buyout as part of his deal.



Well, that's what I brought up in the other thread.

No one actually knows any details about Bill's contract. It's literally a complete mystery. He and the Pats FO are the only ones that know what it entails.

So, who knows - maybe there is some sort of out clause in there.


It would be picks plus for compensation.
Kratch's source  
stoneman : 1/5/2018 8:24 pm : link
is Slade
On his facebook page, he is selling a diet pill  
torrey : 1/5/2018 8:36 pm : link
so he makes a controversial comment to drive viewers to his page
RE: On his facebook page, he is selling a diet pill  
micky : 1/5/2018 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13774380 torrey said:
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so he makes a controversial comment to drive viewers to his page


wondering the same..to draw hits for his promotional diet/fitness deal
It's a lot of fun to think about...  
an_idol_mind : 1/5/2018 8:46 pm : link
but it's not happening.
A  
AcidTest : 1/5/2018 8:56 pm : link
crazy season just gets wilder with this speculation. I can't see it happening. Belichick is 65, and I don't see the Giants giving up any compensation for him. Nor should they.
RE: Mara to Belichick  
Boy Cord : 1/5/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13774271 81_Great_Dane said:
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JM: We're so glad to have you back, Bill.

BB: I'm glad to be back, John.

JM: Just one thing I want to ask.

BB: Sure John, anything.

JM: Could you, ummm, maybe...

(pause)

JM: Cheat... less?

BB: Uhhhh.....


Thatís freaking funny!!
RE: On his facebook page, he is selling a diet pill  
Greg from LI : 1/5/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13774380 torrey said:
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so he makes a controversial comment to drive viewers to his page


Seems logical....and sad
RE: Belichick is also 65 years old  
Simms11 : 1/5/2018 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13774317 Bold Ruler said:
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FWIW


And will turn 66 before the next season, but I will say heís not lost any desire and is a guy that coach into his 70s, I suppose.
FYI  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/5/2018 9:57 pm : link
Mike Francesca was on Bill Simmons podcast today and Bill asked him straight up, "Do you see Belichick coaching the Giants next year?" His reponse was "I would be absolutely stunned if he were the next coach of the Giants." He went on to say as much as John Mara would drive up to Foxboro himself to make a deal, he doesn't see Belichick jumping right to the Giants, thinks he would take a year off if anything.

He did say later on that the only way he sees him going to the Giants is if they offer him an offer he couldn't refuse, upwards of 20+ million a year.
Kratch is a stand up guy  
The 12th Man : 1/5/2018 10:14 pm : link
He is from my hometown. I do not believe he is pulling our leg. I do believe he has some information. What that info is or where it is coming from who knows but, I believe him.
RE: Kratch is a stand up guy  
DennyInDenville : 1/5/2018 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13774474 The 12th Man said:
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He is from my hometown. I do not believe he is pulling our leg. I do believe he has some information. What that info is or where it is coming from who knows but, I believe him.

Plus he's a Mahwah guy

Those people are true blue
Look, being pesimistic is obviously the most logical thing here  
SirYesSir : 1/5/2018 10:21 pm : link
but it would be silly to view it as impossible.

1. Belicheck has claimed he would love to coach here, and this might be his only opportunity
2. He's been unpredictable his whole career - the man does not give a shit what you think, what others think, or what he's "suppposed" to do. Leaving NE is not out of the question
3. He's been there a looong time. Unless you're Bear Bryant, football coaches tend to get wanderlust after a certain amount of time, no matter how successful
4. If he wants to stamp his own legacy as the best of all time, this gives him a better opportunity than staying with Brady and the Pats

Of course it's still unlikely, but it's absolutely not crazy to think it could happen. Not sure how Gettleman's ego would feel about it, or if ownership would give up multiple high picks, but it would be damn interesting
I hope it's true! Did anyone catch  
Bleedin Blue : 1/5/2018 10:35 pm : link
In the comments a Nargi spotting! Lol! Man he had good recipes for sauce! Why did he leave here again? Don't remember????
RE: Look, being pesimistic is obviously the most logical thing here  
muhajir : 1/6/2018 2:06 am : link
In comment 13774487 SirYesSir said:
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but it would be silly to view it as impossible.

1. Belicheck has claimed he would love to coach here, and this might be his only opportunity
2. He's been unpredictable his whole career - the man does not give a shit what you think, what others think, or what he's "suppposed" to do. Leaving NE is not out of the question
3. He's been there a looong time. Unless you're Bear Bryant, football coaches tend to get wanderlust after a certain amount of time, no matter how successful
4. If he wants to stamp his own legacy as the best of all time, this gives him a better opportunity than staying with Brady and the Pats

Of course it's still unlikely, but it's absolutely not crazy to think it could happen. Not sure how Gettleman's ego would feel about it, or if ownership would give up multiple high picks, but it would be damn interesting


Yess
The compensation to the Pats issue aside  
BlackLight : 1/6/2018 3:34 am : link
It's crazy to think that the Giants ownership would interview a handful of qualified candidates for their HC vacancy, then leave them swinging in the breeze for 1-4 weeks while we wait for New England's season to end and we see if Belichick is going to leave his job there.

That would be about as classless a move as you could imagine, not to mention the fact that some of these guys are interviewing elsewhere and are likely to be offered a job by other teams. Even if they don't, who would take a job coaching this team if it's an open secret the owners were clearly hoping to hire someone else.

This is fun and cute, but we have to be serious. Belichick might wind up coaching somewhere else next season, but it won't be here.
RE: The compensation to the Pats issue aside  
chopperhatch : 1/6/2018 3:46 am : link
In comment 13774606 BlackLight said:
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It's crazy to think that the Giants ownership would interview a handful of qualified candidates for their HC vacancy, then leave them swinging in the breeze for 1-4 weeks while we wait for New England's season to end and we see if Belichick is going to leave his job there.

That would be about as classless a move as you could imagine, not to mention the fact that some of these guys are interviewing elsewhere and are likely to be offered a job by other teams. Even if they don't, who would take a job coaching this team if it's an open secret the owners were clearly hoping to hire someone else.

This is fun and cute, but we have to be serious. Belichick might wind up coaching somewhere else next season, but it won't be here.


We cant make an offer to any of the Pats guys or Shurmer or Schwartz or anybody else in the playoffs till they get eliminated. At that point it wouldnt matter as BB would be done too.
Kratch  
Milton : 1/6/2018 4:19 am : link
If you read through his replies to the comments, at first he makes it sound like he has a source, but later it sounds more like pure speculation from former teammates under Belichick.
RE: RE: The compensation to the Pats issue aside  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 4:35 am : link
In comment 13774607 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13774606 BlackLight said:


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It's crazy to think that the Giants ownership would interview a handful of qualified candidates for their HC vacancy, then leave them swinging in the breeze for 1-4 weeks while we wait for New England's season to end and we see if Belichick is going to leave his job there.

That would be about as classless a move as you could imagine, not to mention the fact that some of these guys are interviewing elsewhere and are likely to be offered a job by other teams. Even if they don't, who would take a job coaching this team if it's an open secret the owners were clearly hoping to hire someone else.

This is fun and cute, but we have to be serious. Belichick might wind up coaching somewhere else next season, but it won't be here.



We cant make an offer to any of the Pats guys or Shurmer or Schwartz or anybody else in the playoffs till they get eliminated. At that point it wouldnt matter as BB would be done too.


I asked a similar question before and was told it would be like the Kyle Shanahan hiring, where it would be an understanding they would commit to a team once their current teams are finished playing.
RE: Look, being pesimistic is obviously the most logical thing here  
M.S. : 1/6/2018 7:28 am : link
In comment 13774487 SirYesSir said:
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but it would be silly to view it as impossible.

1. Belicheck has claimed he would love to coach here, and this might be his only opportunity
2. He's been unpredictable his whole career - the man does not give a shit what you think, what others think, or what he's "suppposed" to do. Leaving NE is not out of the question
3. He's been there a looong time. Unless you're Bear Bryant, football coaches tend to get wanderlust after a certain amount of time, no matter how successful
4. If he wants to stamp his own legacy as the best of all time, this gives him a better opportunity than staying with Brady and the Pats

Of course it's still unlikely, but it's absolutely not crazy to think it could happen. Not sure how Gettleman's ego would feel about it, or if ownership would give up multiple high picks, but it would be damn interesting


Love your 1-3, but your #4 is really too much.

BB does NOT need the Giants to "stamp his own legacy." Please... right now, he's the greatest head coach in NFL history. He cemented that position with the New England Patriots. The Giants would add nothing to that... indeed, I could envision a shitty Giants team tarnishing BB's red hot, shining star!
depends  
msh : 1/6/2018 2:40 pm : link
if those reports about a rift with brady/kraft are true that would make it possible,giants are maybe the only place BB would leave new england for but the fact they hired a GM might complicate the situation and what it would cost to get it done is also a concern

i thought the situation was odd they allegedly knocked back 2 first's and a 1 (or 2 conflicting reports) second round picks during the draft from cleveland which were high picks to take a worse 2nd round pick months later from the 49ers the reports certainly make alot of sense as that trade didnt and considering the turn around he made at 49ers looks even worse now

you dont offer your backup QB 17mil per to be the backup,i think bill was planing to trade brady and he got kraft to get rid of garroppolo and undermine the coach this will eventually get out if that is the case there is alot of problems to overcome not impossible
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