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Myers NYDN: Bill Belichick 'sees an opening'

jogo1 : 1/5/2018 7:42 pm
Didn't see this one posted...the story doesn't seem to be going away.
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I'll have whatever he's drinking!  
TC : 1/5/2018 8:20 pm : link
Why, oh why, would he?
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GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13774361 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13774342 arcarsenal said:


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Does anyone know what Bill's contract actually IS?



Arc, it's a complete mystery.



That's what I'm getting at - since no one knows the actual details of his contract, it's impossible to really speculate on what it would take to get him out of it.

He probably wrote the damn thing himself and had Kraft sign the dotted line.




Gary Myers says Kraft always has him under contract. So compensation would definitely be required.


Belichick, like most coaches, doesnít enter the final year of his contract. It hurts recruiting free agents and it takes away some of their authority if the players believe the coach is a lame duck. In this case, Iíve heard Kraft specifically wonít allow Belichick to enter the final year because heís been concerned he would go to the Giants.





Who cares what Gary Myers says? He doesn't know any more than any of us do about what Bill's contract entails or what basis they're signed on.

You've "heard" that Kraft won't allow Belichick to enter the final year of his deal where, exactly? You'll have to put an actual source behind a statement like that otherwise it carries no weight.


Thats Myer's "heard" statement not me. But it makes sense if you're an owner that you would want contra t protection for your coach so he can't just leave whenever the desire meets him.
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arcarsenal : 1/5/2018 8:35 pm : link
In most cases, yes - but Belichick is a different animal. It's hard to assume anything typical or ordinary when it comes to him. He wields more power than any other HC on the planet.

I would guess that in order to get him here, we'd have to send back draft picks - but there's no way for any of us to know anything for sure if we have zero knowledge of his contract.

This is all fantasy-land stuff, anyway.
This shit needs to get done, period.  
bceagle05 : 1/5/2018 8:35 pm : link
Belichick is family, and coaching the Giants is the perfect ending for him. It's his dream job. Brady's 40, and Garappolo is gone - it's time to bring his great career full circle.

This man's Super Bowl XXV gameplan is on display in Canton for God's sake - bring him home!
RE: RE: 3 Steps  
Chef : 1/5/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13774357 B in ALB said:
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1) Fire Gettleman
2) Second overall to New England
3) Hire BB as GM, HC. Heck, make him part owner too.




3 steps
1) Delete your account
2) Never Post again
3) Commit yourself to a mental institution


lol... right
A contract is whatever the contract says it is  
Motley Two : 1/5/2018 8:41 pm : link
So Kraft want Bill to always have an extra year, what if Bill doesnt?

What happens then. What would you do if you were Kraft and Bill just said I'm not signing that?
RE: Tampering  
Mr. Bungle : 1/5/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13774349 Chef said:
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if you don't think that is common and normal under the rug I have bridge to sell you.

This has nothing to do with Ernie Accorsi.
Is this not tampering?  
lono801 : 1/5/2018 8:45 pm : link
I'm enjoying my Friday...

Im to lazy to look up the rules
Shouldn't this come under the heading of  
Doomster : 1/5/2018 8:52 pm : link
"Fantasy Football"?
Belichick  
Breeze_94 : 1/5/2018 9:03 pm : link
would be awesome, but as of right now, it is nothing but a pipe dream that has been manifested by a speculative article written by the fake news media ESPN.

And also, 2 first rounders is quite a steep price to pay for a 65 year old coach. I realize its been done before, but Gruden was in his 30's. This is Belichick though so if there is any 65 year old coach who was worth it, it'd be him.

And also, there is a 0% chance the Giants fire Gettleman. That would look bad for the organization.
If they give the Patriots future picks only,  
wgenesis123 : 1/5/2018 9:05 pm : link
Bill could make enough trades with this years draft to cover the picks and build a winner at the same time.
This might seem out there...  
Chris684 : 1/5/2018 9:21 pm : link
And I swear Iím not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking itís weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.

Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldnít those guys get down to Giants HQ?

Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
RE: This might seem out there...  
markky : 1/5/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13774427 Chris684 said:
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And I swear Iím not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking itís weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.

Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldnít those guys get down to Giants HQ?

Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?


i think the Pats are now in an untenable situation - Bill has been undermined by the TB12 program if nothing else.
RE: This might seem out there...  
arcarsenal : 1/5/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13774427 Chris684 said:
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And I swear Iím not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking itís weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.

Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldnít those guys get down to Giants HQ?

Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?


I think you're reading way too much into that bit - the Bears interviewed him there too.
Good point arc  
Chris684 : 1/5/2018 9:30 pm : link
Did not realize Bears did as well.
All  
AcidTest : 1/5/2018 9:36 pm : link
of this reminds me of a quote from "Apocalypse Now:"

"The bullshit is piling up so fast, you need wings to stay above it."
Remember this:  
mrvax : 1/5/2018 9:38 pm : link
BB has always been a sneaky bastid who thinks he can get away with a lot of shit. From cheating on his ex-wife to screwing the Jets to the practice taping & ball deflating. He's never had a "Come to Jesus" moment either as far as I know.

Whatever he does really won't surprise me.
RE: RE: This might seem out there...  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13774435 arcarsenal said:
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And I swear Iím not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking itís weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.

Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldnít those guys get down to Giants HQ?

Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?



I think you're reading way too much into that bit - the Bears interviewed him there too.


That's correct. The Patriots were off from practice today, but asked teams interview there.
If this even has a 0.0001% chance of happening,  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/5/2018 9:44 pm : link
the Giants have to make it happen.
RE: If this even has a 0.0001% chance of happening,  
DennyInDenville : 1/5/2018 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13774448 Dave in Hoboken said:
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the Giants have to make it happen.

Exactly. Which is where my doubts rise..

Does Mara have the balls? I know Tisch does, but does Mara?

We will see... he's gotta do some colluding or something you know Bellicheck would talk if he's interested ...

Make the call Mr Mara

If the Giants don't have a HC hired by next week the odds only go up that Mara or Tisch has contacted Bb and it's on.
Beat Bill twice in the biggest of games.  
Miami_JintsFan : 1/5/2018 9:58 pm : link
Pass
RE: RE: If this even has a 0.0001% chance of happening,  
B in ALB : 1/5/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13774455 DennyInDenville said:
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the Giants have to make it happen.


Exactly. Which is where my doubts rise..

Does Mara have the balls? I know Tisch does, but does Mara?

We will see... he's gotta do some colluding or something you know Bellicheck would talk if he's interested ...

Make the call Mr Mara

If the Giants don't have a HC hired by next week the odds only go up that Mara or Tisch has contacted Bb and it's on.


You can't even spell the guy's name correctly. What makes your take even remotely fucking relevant, racist?
RE: Beat Bill twice in the biggest of games.  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/5/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13774459 Miami_JintsFan said:
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Pass


LOL
I don't think it happens  
ajr2456 : 1/5/2018 10:09 pm : link
But the speculation of things not being good up in New England started awhile ago. Now all this. Usually where there's smoke there is fire.

Doubt it's a reality but I think it's possible
Giants canít even inquire.....  
Simms11 : 1/5/2018 10:11 pm : link
Thatís tampering and the Giants would probably have to give up draft picks just for that alone. Iím sure itís speculative. This is the one job heís always wanted and he may see the opportunity right now. Perhaps heís made it known to those confidants that he would consider a job there if he could work out a release from the Patriots.

That would be a hell of a dilemma for the Giants and Iím not so sure they would want to wait until after the Pats are out of the playoffs or finish another Super Bowl?!
What if  
djm : 1/5/2018 10:19 pm : link
Belichick has language in his contract that says he can bail out any time he wants...if Brady really did win a power struggle with the whole jimmy g thing, and it looks like that in fact did happen, belichick might truly be done with kraft and Brady. We know he loves the Giants. There's enough there to believe just a little bit...

Why am I doing this to myself.
The Giants don't have to tamper  
Milton : 1/5/2018 10:35 pm : link
Bill Belichick knows there is a job opening and I think he can safely assume that if he were to leave the Patriots there isn't a team in college or the NFL who wouldn't be interested. All he needs to do is have his agent make a call to Mara and say, "Do yourself a favor and put off making a coaching decision for the next couple of weeks (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean)."

Without any of knowing Belichick's contract status, nobody can say whether or not it would require a trade or not to get it done. If it does require a trade, the #2 overall will not be part of it. At most, I can see the Giants giving up this year's second or third round pick and next year's 1st round pick. The Giants will need the 2nd overall pick to select Josh Rosen!
re: tampering  
Giantsfan79 : 1/5/2018 11:15 pm : link
wasn't DG in the Pats building today interviewing. Wonder if Kraft let him talk to BB alone in his office today?
I think there's more than enough smoke here  
Modus Operandi : 1/5/2018 11:25 pm : link
To think something's up.

1) Giants uncharacteristically fire their HC and GM midseason;

2) News breaks that BB, TB and BK relationship has fractured;

3) NYG new GM and owner drive up to Foxboro in a blizzard to meet with with Patriot coordinators;

I think there's something brewing here. I'm not sure about contract terms, but would we have to pay any compensation to the Patriots if Bill Belichick is promoted, say - Executive VP of Football Operations.


Unless there's any escape language in BB's contract  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/5/2018 11:53 pm : link
You'd have to get the Patriots to either agree to release him or agree on compensation. There's no allowance for dangling a title and calling it a promotion.
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist  
nyynyg : 1/5/2018 11:58 pm : link
but maybe the relationship in Foxboro is severely fractured. Maybe the Giants brass drove to Foxboro to meet with Belichick or maybe they went to meet with Kraft.

Driving up to meet with two coordinators is very strange in my view. Going for a "business meeting" between front offices makes a lot more logical sense for such a trip.

But again, it is all speculation. There does seem to be a lot of smoke.
It's not strange to have to go meet with these HC targets  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 12:00 am : link
They are preparing for a playoff game and have a narrow window of time to speak to them before the cutoff.
RE: B In ALB  
Trainmaster : 1/6/2018 2:29 am : link
1) Be a humorless individual who canít realize when someone is kidding
2) Resort to unwarranted personal attacks
3) Get yourself banned again

RE: Unless there's any escape language in BB's contract  
FStubbs : 1/6/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 13774539 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You'd have to get the Patriots to either agree to release him or agree on compensation. There's no allowance for dangling a title and calling it a promotion.


The Patriots would demand nothing less than the #2 overall pick.
Does anyone know the 'Tampering' rules?  
Gregorio : 1/6/2018 9:23 am : link
Is a team not allowed to interview another team's head coach during playoffs?

It's odd to me that NYG are permitted to interview assistant coaches (Patricia, Mcdaniels) during playoffs, but would be prohibited from interviewing a head coach.

Also, wouldn't Kraft have to agree to permit NYG to interview Belichick?

RE: It's not strange to have to go meet with these HC targets  
UberAlias : 1/6/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 13774545 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They are preparing for a playoff game and have a narrow window of time to speak to them before the cutoff.
Correct. That and the fact that the coordinators are meeting with multiple teams so makes much more sense for the teams to come to NE than have them travel all over the place. I'm sure they insisted.
RE: Does anyone know the 'Tampering' rules?  
Simms11 : 1/6/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 13774696 Gregorio said:
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Is a team not allowed to interview another team's head coach during playoffs?

It's odd to me that NYG are permitted to interview assistant coaches (Patricia, Mcdaniels) during playoffs, but would be prohibited from interviewing a head coach.

Also, wouldn't Kraft have to agree to permit NYG to interview Belichick?


How could they interview another teams Head Coach? Itís not a promotion?!
RE: What if  
an_idol_mind : 1/6/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13774483 djm said:
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Belichick has language in his contract that says he can bail out any time he wants...if Brady really did win a power struggle with the whole jimmy g thing, and it looks like that in fact did happen, belichick might truly be done with kraft and Brady. We know he loves the Giants. There's enough there to believe just a little bit...

Why am I doing this to myself.


Then he could ride his unicorn to East Rutherford.
RE: Unless there's any escape language in BB's contract  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/6/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13774539 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You'd have to get the Patriots to either agree to release him or agree on compensation. There's no allowance for dangling a title and calling it a promotion.



Is he even under contract beyond this year? I was under the impression he signed one year deals. They only need to compensate if he's under contract, else he can go wherever the hell he wants.
RE: RE: What if  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 13774832 an_idol_mind said:
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In comment 13774483 djm said:


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Belichick has language in his contract that says he can bail out any time he wants...if Brady really did win a power struggle with the whole jimmy g thing, and it looks like that in fact did happen, belichick might truly be done with kraft and Brady. We know he loves the Giants. There's enough there to believe just a little bit...

Why am I doing this to myself.



Then he could ride his unicorn to East Rutherford.


if he had an out in his contract sure, but if not, you're looking at considerable compensation.
Belichick  
Giantslifer : 1/6/2018 2:47 pm : link
If BB wants out of NE so bad, let him figure out a way to get to the Giants. he's pretty smart, sure he can find a way to get "fired".
Common Sense should tell you  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/6/2018 3:05 pm : link
That Gettleman and Belichick can not co-exist on the same team. Only one man can have control. BB is more than a coach in NE...he would not be happy just being the coach here. Whoever Gettleman hires will be the head coach and not more than that.
Compensation to NE in draftt picks  
TMS : 1/6/2018 3:13 pm : link
would be required. Forget that. IMO
RE: Compensation to NE in draftt picks  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13775105 TMS said:
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would be required. Forget that. IMO

Yes because draft picks always result in super bowls. What's Belichick ever done?
RE: RE: Compensation to NE in draftt picks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13775405 Dr. D said:
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would be required. Forget that. IMO


Yes because draft picks always result in super bowls. What's Belichick ever done?


Nobody ever got to a super bowl with no players. We think Belichick has been doing all his winning with 3-win rosters? He's 65 years old. He's not skipping out on everything he built to take over a three-win team coming off six years of unproductive drafts. Why would a man who has done all that winning quit at the first sign of adversity to come to this?
RE: Compensation to NE in draftt picks  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/6/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13775105 TMS said:
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would be required. Forget that. IMO


We don't even know if He is under contract.

What language am I speaking?
How many picks did the Pat's give up  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 10:07 pm : link
To get him in the first place? How many did the Jets give up to get Parcells?

They both managed to put together rosters despite losing a few picks. Belichick won the SB in his 2nd year. Parcells went 12-4, won division and got to conference title in his 2nd year.

Great coaches are worth some picks.
1-15  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 10:11 pm : link
That's the Jets record 2 years before Parcells took them to the conference championship, after they gave the Pat's some draft picks for him.
The Giants have a better roster  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 10:17 pm : link
Than the Jets had when Jets traded for the Tuna. I don't know about Patris roster before they traded for BB, but believe they were 8-8. Yes, we're 3-13, but a lot of people thought roster was playoff caliber before season.
Anyone think this roster  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 10:20 pm : link
Or what this roster could've been with some tweaks, would've been 3-13 if Belichick was HC?
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