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Why would you give up for Belichick?

djstat : 1/5/2018 11:49 pm
He is not a free agent coach. New England will want compensation. What would you give up? Would you give up the number 2 pick in the draft? Or would you be ok with the Giants swapping picks woth the Patriots?
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There s a lot of moving parts here.  
joeinpa : 1/6/2018 8:17 am : link
If the Giants really believe Belichick is available and wait to get him, they are putting all eggs in one basket.

If it doesn t happen, which is most likely, hope they don t miss out on McDaniels or whomever their choice might be.
No way I give up #2  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2018 8:34 am : link
for a 65 yr old coach. Heíd also have to find new coordinators to work under him whether heís here or stays with the Pats. Donít underestimate losing Patricia and McDaniels having a serious degrading impact.

I want McDaniels as HC more than I want Belichick. As much as I love Bill, heís not long for being a HC much longer and heís cemented his legacy already even though being the HC to win SBs with multiple teams and to win one with the Giants would carry sentimental value for him.

McDaniels has something to prove too.

I think with Belichick, Giants fans are chasing waterfalls.
You really think Belichick is coming here..  
Sean : 1/6/2018 8:37 am : link
without the #2 pick secured? No way.

If he even considers it, it would be the appeal of being the Giants AND having the #2 pick.
Even if things could be worked out,  
Simms11 : 1/6/2018 8:40 am : link
I donít see this happening. Heíd be 66 beginning next season and these guys really donít coach beyond 70. Marv Levy has to have been the last guy to do that and I think he was 72 when he retired. Itíd be a short term thing IMO and I think the Giants would like to build stability for the long term. I could see them going with McDaniels if he wants to come here, but B.B., although heíd love it, would not be beneficial long term for the Giants.
here is the thing  
giantfan2000 : 1/6/2018 8:48 am : link
if Belichick's contract stipulations leak in the next couple of days
it will be another sign that he is leaving ..

looking on web here is details of when he signed his last contract ..
Belichick signed another extension in September 2013 for an unknown amount of money and an unknown amount of time.

so perhaps it was 5 year deal .. which means 2018 it is up ?
If there is and truth to this ...  
USAF NYG Fan : 1/6/2018 8:53 am : link
I just hope the Giants just don't get left out in the cold

What if things are being discussed behind closed doors while other Coaches are getting picked up and then the deal falls through?
I'm gonna rock the boat here  
Dave on the UWS : 1/6/2018 8:53 am : link
Who is more responsible for the Pats run Bill or Brady? If you think the latter you don't even consider compensation for a very good coach who had the GOAT at the MOST important position. If you think Bill would be just as successful with any competent QB then you do whatever it takes.
RE: THERE MAY BE NO NEED  
Poktown Pete : 1/6/2018 9:03 am : link
In comment 13774558 dancing blue bear said:
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to give up anything.

If Little Bills contract specifies that he has control over the roster and/or final decisions on football matters....

BREACH OF CONTRACT could be invoked. This is exactly the type of loophole He lives for. Consider the wide speculation that Bill, himself, is complicit in this report, he is paving his own way.

If Belly is that pissed he will burn that place to the ground. He will take whatever staff he wants. Anyone that doesn't go with him will be dead to him.

And for the draft a QB crowd, prepare for heartbreak. He will deal away for more picks. Ride with Eli and develop a mid round QB.

This is gonna be awesome!

He is that guy. He will not be crossed.


This!
You can not wait for things to develope. Mara will hire a coach, once  
wgenesis123 : 1/6/2018 9:10 am : link
he does BB is not an option. Mara is not going to fire a new hire to get BB. If Mara hires one of Bill's guys is Bill going to want the job? Something has to happen real soon for BB to come to the Giants. That means making a deal with Kraft. The number 2 pick equals the value of a franchise QB, that should be enough. It could be argued that swapping first round picks also has that value. Best case scenario, Giants compensate New England with a second round pick for every year he coaches the Giants starting with next years second round pick. BB can recoup these picks with trades and pay the piper.
WE need more picks and not fewer  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/6/2018 9:12 am : link
No Coach is worth trading for.... a coach does not play a position....and this idea that a certain coach is like GOD and will turn an awful team and organization ( As long as Mara runs it) into a consistent Super Bowl contender is absurd. As far as Mara is concerned averaging one SB every ten years or so is GOOD ENOUGH..no matter who the coach is.
If Mara and Gettleman are patient and New England loses its first  
wgenesis123 : 1/6/2018 9:16 am : link
playoff game, maybe Bill can force the issue at a lower cost.
RE: I'd give a 3rd this year...  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/6/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13774622 Jim in Tampa said:
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Kraft is too smart not to have something in that contract to protect the Pats from BB bolting the team for greener pastures.


Giants aren't exactly greener pastures these days.
This is what the Jets  
crick n NC : 1/6/2018 9:38 am : link
Paid for parcels in 97

"The Jets get Parcells and give New England their first-round draft choice in 1999, second round in 1998 and third- and fourth-round picks in the April draft, plus $300,000 to the Patriots' charitable foundation."
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*Parcells*  
crick n NC : 1/6/2018 9:39 am : link
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I would offer a 2019 1st round pick  
Jay on the Island : 1/6/2018 9:40 am : link
Plus I would throw in Eli Apple because fuck him.
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Blue21 : 1/6/2018 9:49 am : link
That's what I'd give. Unless he brings a 35 year old Brady with him.
RE: I'd give the number 2 pick for sure  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13774536 DennyInDenville said:
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Or swap picks works also plus give us a 5th


Certainly would not give them this year's 1st rd pick at all. Start with 2019 and go from there.
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Danny Kanell : 1/6/2018 10:32 am : link
My left nut.
RE: If Mara and Gettleman are patient and New England loses its first  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13774691 wgenesis123 said:
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playoff game, maybe Bill can force the issue at a lower cost.

Why would we want some one and done loser? We just fired one in McAdoo!
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 10:38 am : link
If picks are a part of compensation, you don't give the #2 pick this year - it has to be future picks. Even if they're 1st rounders.

It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
To say you wouldn't give any picks is silly  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 10:39 am : link
The Pats gave picks to the Jets for Belichick. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or BB? It should be an obvious answer. BB took a team that had never won the SB and won it in his SECOND year. The first of 5 and a buttload of playoff appearances.

The Jets gave picks to the Pats for Parcells. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or Parcells? That's also an obvious answer. Parcells took a 1-15 team and won the division at 12-4 and got them to the AFC conf. title game in his SECOND year!

I don't know what I would give up, but I know a great coach can be worth multiple draft picks. Picks are a crap shoot. BB might be GOAT and an energetic 65. He's worth some picks.


My left nut.  
Boy Cord : 1/6/2018 10:42 am : link
Oh, hell. Both nuts.
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Jay on the Island : 1/6/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 13774769 arcarsenal said:
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If picks are a part of compensation, you don't give the #2 pick this year - it has to be future picks. Even if they're 1st rounders.

It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.

Youíre right they canít give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichickís new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
Give em Jerry Reese  
Jeever : 1/6/2018 11:17 am : link
Let him Ef them up like he did us. It's only fair.
RE: I'd give the number 2 pick for sure  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13774536 DennyInDenville said:
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Or swap picks works also plus give us a 5th

It's always fun when Denny weighs in on trade/compensation.

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baadbill : 1/6/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13774775 Jay on the Island said:
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Youíre right they canít give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichickís new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.


You wouldn't give up the #2 pick in the draft (which may turn out to be a complete bust) but you'd readily give up Beckham AND next year's second round pick?

Pretty clear you aren't a Beckham fan ... lol
Anyone that wouldn't give up the #2 pick is crazy  
Go Terps : 1/6/2018 11:56 am : link
Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.

I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 12:00 pm : link
It's not that I wouldn't as much as I don't believe we would have to. Future picks make more sense.
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Go Terps : 1/6/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13774886 arcarsenal said:
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It's not that I wouldn't as much as I don't believe we would have to. Future picks make more sense.


I'd rather take the pain now, but the point remains: whatever it takes.
I'd give them Eli Apple and his mom  
PatersonPlank : 1/6/2018 12:09 pm : link
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RE: Anyone that wouldn't give up the #2 pick is crazy  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13774883 Go Terps said:
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Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.

I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.


This years entire drafting picking 2nd in each round? Absolutely no!
Give up an entire draft for a 65 year old coach?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 12:27 pm : link
What the hell?
"My offer is this, nothing"  
Stan in LA : 1/6/2018 12:58 pm : link
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RE: Give up an entire draft for a 65 year old coach?  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13774910 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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What the hell?

And not just that, but this year (after suffering through the McAdoo/Spagnuolo pupu platter to earn the #2 spot) instead of future years, which would be lower picks if Belichick is indeed the "greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport." Although maybe not, since Terps would also cut every talented player on the roster.

I'm sure he has some statistical analysis to back this up - he's probably just finishing up his work on Lamar Jackson first.
I would give up  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/6/2018 1:31 pm : link
Tom Quinn and a ball deflater.
My offer is this...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 1/6/2018 1:42 pm : link
...nothing. Not even the price of his plane ticket to New York, which I would appreciate if Kraft would put up personally.
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RE: My offer is this...  
AcidTest : 1/6/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13774981 Gary from The East End said:
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...nothing. Not even the price of his plane ticket to New York, which I would appreciate if Kraft would put up personally. Link - ( New Window )


Agreed. Zero.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 1:53 pm : link
The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.

I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
It just doesn't even make sense. An entire draft.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 2:00 pm : link
Is he bringing Brady and his front office guys? I'm not putting up with 3-13 just to run this same roster out there again and set the team back even further. How does that jive with your assertion that this team isn't close? If they're not close now, sabotaging another year by adding no talent doesn't help.
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AcidTest : 1/6/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13774997 arcarsenal said:
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The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.

I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.


Absolutely not.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13775039 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13774997 arcarsenal said:


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The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.

I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.



Absolutely not.


Well worth it, if you ask me...

As of now I'm told  
JonC : 1/6/2018 2:37 pm : link
"Not happening."

I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.
It never fails  
Go Terps : 1/6/2018 2:51 pm : link
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.

The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.

If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?

Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Mute point now.  
old man : 1/6/2018 5:19 pm : link
Kraft said BB would be coaching there in '18.
Kraft said so.
Kraft.
Has he ever lied to us?;-).

Anyway...I'd give money and the #1 in 4-5 years.
RE: It never fails  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13775079 Go Terps said:
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People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.

The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.

If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?

Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.


Haven't you been the one saying this team isn't close?
RE: As of now I'm told  
nyynyg : 1/6/2018 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13775058 JonC said:
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"Not happening."

I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.


So, you are saying thereís a chance? ;)
RE: It never fails  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13775079 Go Terps said:
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People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.

The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.

If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?

Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.


Wait a second..

The point of the game is to win, not amass picks - but you've been begging for the Giants to trade away proven, elite players like Beckham... for picks.

So, you think people overvalue picks and don't want to amass them - but you don't want to pay players market value when they're good enough to earn a second contract.

Where are you getting players from?

Week by week, you're painting yourself into a corner smaller and smaller by constantly going against the grain on nearly every issue.
The answer is somewhere in between  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 7:19 pm : link
I don't understand those who say they wouldn't give up anything (for the greatest Coach in a sport where coaches have the biggest impact) and I'm not arguing to give up an entire draft.

Such extremes. Like a lot of things, the answer is somewhere in between.
This Whole Thing Is Preposterous  
looie : 1/7/2018 12:03 am : link
If Belichick were to come here, he would want to run the whole show. So what do the Giants do with Gettleman? Fire him after 2 weeks? Please.
Who knows  
Dr. D : 1/7/2018 3:36 pm : link
With his desire to come back to the Giants, combined with his age, maybe he wouldn't mind working with Gettleman.. if it was understood he got final say.

And DG probably wouldn't mind working with BB, because he seems like the type that just wants to win
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