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Why would you give up for Belichick?

djstat : 1/5/2018 11:49 pm
He is not a free agent coach. New England will want compensation. What would you give up? Would you give up the number 2 pick in the draft? Or would you be ok with the Giants swapping picks woth the Patriots?
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Danny Kanell : 1/6/2018 10:32 am : link
My left nut.
RE: If Mara and Gettleman are patient and New England loses its first  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13774691 wgenesis123 said:
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playoff game, maybe Bill can force the issue at a lower cost.

Why would we want some one and done loser? We just fired one in McAdoo!
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 10:38 am : link
If picks are a part of compensation, you don't give the #2 pick this year - it has to be future picks. Even if they're 1st rounders.

It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
To say you wouldn't give any picks is silly  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 10:39 am : link
The Pats gave picks to the Jets for Belichick. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or BB? It should be an obvious answer. BB took a team that had never won the SB and won it in his SECOND year. The first of 5 and a buttload of playoff appearances.

The Jets gave picks to the Pats for Parcells. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or Parcells? That's also an obvious answer. Parcells took a 1-15 team and won the division at 12-4 and got them to the AFC conf. title game in his SECOND year!

I don't know what I would give up, but I know a great coach can be worth multiple draft picks. Picks are a crap shoot. BB might be GOAT and an energetic 65. He's worth some picks.


My left nut.  
Boy Cord : 1/6/2018 10:42 am : link
Oh, hell. Both nuts.
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Jay on the Island : 1/6/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 13774769 arcarsenal said:
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If picks are a part of compensation, you don't give the #2 pick this year - it has to be future picks. Even if they're 1st rounders.

It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.

You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
Give em Jerry Reese  
Jeever : 1/6/2018 11:17 am : link
Let him Ef them up like he did us. It's only fair.
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Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13774536 DennyInDenville said:
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Or swap picks works also plus give us a 5th

It's always fun when Denny weighs in on trade/compensation.

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baadbill : 1/6/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13774775 Jay on the Island said:
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You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.


You wouldn't give up the #2 pick in the draft (which may turn out to be a complete bust) but you'd readily give up Beckham AND next year's second round pick?

Pretty clear you aren't a Beckham fan ... lol
Anyone that wouldn't give up the #2 pick is crazy  
Go Terps : 1/6/2018 11:56 am : link
Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.

I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 12:00 pm : link
It's not that I wouldn't as much as I don't believe we would have to. Future picks make more sense.
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Go Terps : 1/6/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13774886 arcarsenal said:
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It's not that I wouldn't as much as I don't believe we would have to. Future picks make more sense.


I'd rather take the pain now, but the point remains: whatever it takes.
I'd give them Eli Apple and his mom  
PatersonPlank : 1/6/2018 12:09 pm : link
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RE: Anyone that wouldn't give up the #2 pick is crazy  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13774883 Go Terps said:
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Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.

I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.


This years entire drafting picking 2nd in each round? Absolutely no!
Give up an entire draft for a 65 year old coach?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 12:27 pm : link
What the hell?
"My offer is this, nothing"  
Stan in LA : 1/6/2018 12:58 pm : link
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RE: Give up an entire draft for a 65 year old coach?  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13774910 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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What the hell?

And not just that, but this year (after suffering through the McAdoo/Spagnuolo pupu platter to earn the #2 spot) instead of future years, which would be lower picks if Belichick is indeed the "greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport." Although maybe not, since Terps would also cut every talented player on the roster.

I'm sure he has some statistical analysis to back this up - he's probably just finishing up his work on Lamar Jackson first.
I would give up  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/6/2018 1:31 pm : link
Tom Quinn and a ball deflater.
My offer is this...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 1/6/2018 1:42 pm : link
...nothing. Not even the price of his plane ticket to New York, which I would appreciate if Kraft would put up personally.
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AcidTest : 1/6/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13774981 Gary from The East End said:
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...nothing. Not even the price of his plane ticket to New York, which I would appreciate if Kraft would put up personally. Link - ( New Window )


Agreed. Zero.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 1:53 pm : link
The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.

I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
It just doesn't even make sense. An entire draft.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 2:00 pm : link
Is he bringing Brady and his front office guys? I'm not putting up with 3-13 just to run this same roster out there again and set the team back even further. How does that jive with your assertion that this team isn't close? If they're not close now, sabotaging another year by adding no talent doesn't help.
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AcidTest : 1/6/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13774997 arcarsenal said:
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The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.

I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.


Absolutely not.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 2:30 pm : link
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The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.

I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.



Absolutely not.


Well worth it, if you ask me...

As of now I'm told  
JonC : 1/6/2018 2:37 pm : link
"Not happening."

I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.
It never fails  
Go Terps : 1/6/2018 2:51 pm : link
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.

The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.

If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?

Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Mute point now.  
old man : 1/6/2018 5:19 pm : link
Kraft said BB would be coaching there in '18.
Kraft said so.
Kraft.
Has he ever lied to us?;-).

Anyway...I'd give money and the #1 in 4-5 years.
RE: It never fails  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/6/2018 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13775079 Go Terps said:
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People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.

The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.

If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?

Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.


Haven't you been the one saying this team isn't close?
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nyynyg : 1/6/2018 5:39 pm : link
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"Not happening."

I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.


So, you are saying there’s a chance? ;)
RE: It never fails  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13775079 Go Terps said:
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People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.

The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.

If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?

Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.


Wait a second..

The point of the game is to win, not amass picks - but you've been begging for the Giants to trade away proven, elite players like Beckham... for picks.

So, you think people overvalue picks and don't want to amass them - but you don't want to pay players market value when they're good enough to earn a second contract.

Where are you getting players from?

Week by week, you're painting yourself into a corner smaller and smaller by constantly going against the grain on nearly every issue.
The answer is somewhere in between  
Dr. D : 1/6/2018 7:19 pm : link
I don't understand those who say they wouldn't give up anything (for the greatest Coach in a sport where coaches have the biggest impact) and I'm not arguing to give up an entire draft.

Such extremes. Like a lot of things, the answer is somewhere in between.
This Whole Thing Is Preposterous  
looie : 1/7/2018 12:03 am : link
If Belichick were to come here, he would want to run the whole show. So what do the Giants do with Gettleman? Fire him after 2 weeks? Please.
Who knows  
Dr. D : 1/7/2018 3:36 pm : link
With his desire to come back to the Giants, combined with his age, maybe he wouldn't mind working with Gettleman.. if it was understood he got final say.

And DG probably wouldn't mind working with BB, because he seems like the type that just wants to win
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