He is not a free agent coach. New England will want compensation. What would you give up? Would you give up the number 2 pick in the draft? Or would you be ok with the Giants swapping picks woth the Patriots?
The Pats gave picks to the Jets for Belichick. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or BB? It should be an obvious answer. BB took a team that had never won the SB and won it in his SECOND year. The first of 5 and a buttload of playoff appearances.
The Jets gave picks to the Pats for Parcells. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or Parcells? That's also an obvious answer. Parcells took a 1-15 team and won the division at 12-4 and got them to the AFC conf. title game in his SECOND year!
I don't know what I would give up, but I know a great coach can be worth multiple draft picks. Picks are a crap shoot. BB might be GOAT and an energetic 65. He's worth some picks.
If picks are a part of compensation, you don't give the #2 pick this year - it has to be future picks. Even if they're 1st rounders.
It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
You wouldn't give up the #2 pick in the draft (which may turn out to be a complete bust) but you'd readily give up Beckham AND next year's second round pick?
Pretty clear you aren't a Beckham fan ... lol
Anyone that wouldn't give up the #2 pick is crazy Â
Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
This years entire drafting picking 2nd in each round? Absolutely no!
Give up an entire draft for a 65 year old coach? Â
And not just that, but this year (after suffering through the McAdoo/Spagnuolo pupu platter to earn the #2 spot) instead of future years, which would be lower picks if Belichick is indeed the "greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport." Although maybe not, since Terps would also cut every talented player on the roster.
I'm sure he has some statistical analysis to back this up - he's probably just finishing up his work on Lamar Jackson first.
Is he bringing Brady and his front office guys? I'm not putting up with 3-13 just to run this same roster out there again and set the team back even further. How does that jive with your assertion that this team isn't close? If they're not close now, sabotaging another year by adding no talent doesn't help.
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Haven't you been the one saying this team isn't close?
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Wait a second..
The point of the game is to win, not amass picks - but you've been begging for the Giants to trade away proven, elite players like Beckham... for picks.
So, you think people overvalue picks and don't want to amass them - but you don't want to pay players market value when they're good enough to earn a second contract.
Where are you getting players from?
Week by week, you're painting yourself into a corner smaller and smaller by constantly going against the grain on nearly every issue.
I don't understand those who say they wouldn't give up anything (for the greatest Coach in a sport where coaches have the biggest impact) and I'm not arguing to give up an entire draft.
Such extremes. Like a lot of things, the answer is somewhere in between.
With his desire to come back to the Giants, combined with his age, maybe he wouldn't mind working with Gettleman.. if it was understood he got final say.
And DG probably wouldn't mind working with BB, because he seems like the type that just wants to win
Why would we want some one and done loser? We just fired one in McAdoo!
It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
The Jets gave picks to the Pats for Parcells. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or Parcells? That's also an obvious answer. Parcells took a 1-15 team and won the division at 12-4 and got them to the AFC conf. title game in his SECOND year!
I don't know what I would give up, but I know a great coach can be worth multiple draft picks. Picks are a crap shoot. BB might be GOAT and an energetic 65. He's worth some picks.
It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
It's always fun when Denny weighs in on trade/compensation.
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You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
You wouldn't give up the #2 pick in the draft (which may turn out to be a complete bust) but you'd readily give up Beckham AND next year's second round pick?
Pretty clear you aren't a Beckham fan ... lol
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
I'd rather take the pain now, but the point remains: whatever it takes.
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
This years entire drafting picking 2nd in each round? Absolutely no!
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And not just that, but this year (after suffering through the McAdoo/Spagnuolo pupu platter to earn the #2 spot) instead of future years, which would be lower picks if Belichick is indeed the "greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport." Although maybe not, since Terps would also cut every talented player on the roster.
I'm sure he has some statistical analysis to back this up - he's probably just finishing up his work on Lamar Jackson first.
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Agreed. Zero.
I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
Absolutely not.
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The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.
I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
Absolutely not.
Well worth it, if you ask me...
I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Kraft said so.
Kraft.
Has he ever lied to us?;-).
Anyway...I'd give money and the #1 in 4-5 years.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Haven't you been the one saying this team isn't close?
I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.
So, you are saying there’s a chance? ;)
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Wait a second..
The point of the game is to win, not amass picks - but you've been begging for the Giants to trade away proven, elite players like Beckham... for picks.
So, you think people overvalue picks and don't want to amass them - but you don't want to pay players market value when they're good enough to earn a second contract.
Where are you getting players from?
Week by week, you're painting yourself into a corner smaller and smaller by constantly going against the grain on nearly every issue.
Such extremes. Like a lot of things, the answer is somewhere in between.
And DG probably wouldn't mind working with BB, because he seems like the type that just wants to win