I am part of the very small minority that does not want Belichich as HC because of his reputation for cheating. I get that even if, say, 25% (or even 50%) of his success was assisted by cheating, the remaining percentage would still be a very high success rate in the NFL. I get that he was previously part of the Giants family (and I don’t believe cheating went on then). But he has been caught cheating and I do believe it happened (but why on earth film the Jets of all teams – that’s the team he got caught with and I think they filmed other teams and just didn’t get caught for those). For those who want BB as the NY Giants head coach, my questions for you are:
1) Do you not think that Belichick cheated?
a) If not, do you think the Patriots in the BB era have not cheated at all or do you think others have but BB wasn’t involved (though that last part doesn’t really pass the sniff test)?
2) Do you believe that all (or most) other NFL teams practice in illegal activities to gain a competitive advantage so that it doesn’t matter that BB cheated?
3) Do you believe that the Patriots did at times cheat but that it was inconsequential to their success (as in, they would have won anyway)?
4) Do you believe that he cheated but are only concerned with winning and would be OK with whatever methods BB would employ in pursuit of another Lombardi trophy?
Mark Grace huh? Lol.
I can guarantee you it was famously said before him from people like Al Davis all the way to Billy Martin.
Tuna!
Whatever it is he is doing it is working.
Exactly
As for deflategate, I have no idea how much of a role he had in that. Seemed more like Brady cheating but who knows.
Oh I agree 100%. His history of cheating would have zero impact on my desire to have him as head coach of this team. He is the GOAT.
Were the Giants and Wellington Mara cheating when they changed from cleats to Sneakers before a Championship game with the Bears?
Al Davis was always accused of something, always denied by the Raiders with a smile and a wink.
And the Giants under Fassel were suspected of stealing radio signals:
2001:Suggestions of NY Giants cheating
I’m firmly in the camp of he’s not coming here. Even if he wanted to leave NE, how would that work? Assuming, as we’ve heard, that he only signs one year contracts, when does his contract officially expire. I’m guessing it’s at the end of the league year in March, but even if it’s after the SB, the Giants are going to hold off on naming a coach for that long? I think that would be very suspicious and could lead to tampering charges.
He's still a great coach without needing to cheat, which makes what he did extra dumb.
As for deflategate, I have no idea how much of a role he had in that. Seemed more like Brady cheating but who knows.
Oh yes...so if you ask the cocky team that entered the game as 17 point favorites why they lost they will of course point to spygate instead of how they just got outplayed by a tough defense the likes of which they had not seen all year.
That is a lot of sour grapes if you ask me.
In the end, the guys on the field still have to make plays. He and his assistants still have to come up with a game plan each week to stop the opponent.
Filming a walkthrough loses you a SB? LOL. The Rams were unprepared, end of story. They thought they could walk in and get the Lombardi.
The Pats didn't film the walk-trough. Classic case of the initial false report getting tons of attention and the retraction getting little.
A reporter misconstrued something Matt Walsh said and later apologized for the story. Walsh says neither he nor anyone else taped the walk-through.
As for Deflategate, it was just an arbitrary rule that should never have been in the books to begin with. As long as the ball can spiral through the air, each QB should have the privilege of choosing what level of inflation he prefers. If both starting QBs had to share the same ball I would feel differently, but since that's not the case, the inflation level should be left to the sole discretion of each QB (assuming it's inflated to a functional level).
And last I checked, it was only a rumor without proof that the Patriots filmed the walkthrough prior to the Super Bowl vs Rams.
How exactly can you definitively say what his intent was?
Just because you think the rule "should have never been on the books" doesn't mean breaking the rule should be excused. It is a rule regardless of what Milton feels it "should" be.
Having said all that, I don't feel any of it is serious enough to not consider bringing him to N.Y. if the opportunity presents itself.
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With all the spygate stuff. If you ask Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk, they are convinced they would have won the superbowl in 2001 had the Patriots not filmed their walkthrough.
As for deflategate, I have no idea how much of a role he had in that. Seemed more like Brady cheating but who knows.
Oh yes...so if you ask the cocky team that entered the game as 17 point favorites why they lost they will of course point to spygate instead of how they just got outplayed by a tough defense the likes of which they had not seen all year.
That is a lot of sour grapes if you ask me.
Really? A defense they had not seen all year? I certainly remember the Rams going into Foxborough in a night game that year and defeating the Patriots.
Read the article I linked. The Rams had plays that they had never run before, that had never been on film, and the Patriots had every answer for them.
The Rams were certainly overconfident going into that game, but they were the best team in the NFL by far, and everything they did was shut down by the Pats.
Isn't Ernie Adams his rule book guy, and he just gets 'creative' with it? And as you said, is better than anyone at it.
ESPN annointed the Rams that year the best team ever, and the Rams believed it. And they certainly had the momentum and should have won. But it wasn't cheating. They got outcoached.
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and takes advantage of the inherent conflicts between the letter and spirit of the rules. He pushes the envelope. Someone always will. He is just better at it.
Isn't Ernie Adams his rule book guy, and he just gets 'creative' with it? And as you said, is better than anyone at it.
This is correct.