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ryanmkeane : 1/6/2018 10:01 am
Just watching a lot of the Gettleman interviews from the past week or so and the most telling quote I thought was during his interview with papa when he said “most great head coaches have usually been defensive guys, let’s be honest...”

I think Wilks’ ability to command the locker room, teach and demand physicality will be the #1 thing that Gettleman looks for. During Wilks’ press conference after the Bills game, he said “nobody attacks the ball like we do, and we demand it” I thought that was awesome.

Gettleman has also made numerous statements regarding defense winning championships and the head coach having a good handle on everything. Wilks’ demeanor seems like he is that kind of guy.

With McDaniels and Shurmur most likely being the other top candidates available, them being offensive guys and not exactly having great success in their first stint, I think Wilks will be the choice.

Patricia is the wildcard, but I just don’t see Mara hiring this guy as the face of the team. My money is on Wilks and I think if Carolina loses, he could be hired by Tuesday or Wednesday or so.
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Reminds me a bit of  
BP in Delray : 1/6/2018 10:32 am : link
Mike Tomlin, in the way he commands a room when he speaks, and how he was only been a DC for one year prior to getting the Pit job(w/ MIN)

I’ve always admired Tomlin as a Coach, so Wilks to me looks like a great candidate.
RE: Reminds me a bit of  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13774761 BP in Delray said:
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Mike Tomlin, in the way he commands a room when he speaks, and how he was only been a DC for one year prior to getting the Pit job(w/ MIN)

I’ve always admired Tomlin as a Coach, so Wilks to me looks like a great candidate.

I got that feel as well. Also the way he answers questions in a very detailed way. Not that it really matters but it seems like the guy actually knows what he’s talking about and thinks about the answer before he speaks. He respects the person he’s talking to.
RE: Out of all the DC’s mentioned  
Craigg619 : 1/6/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13774724 Jay on the Island said:
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Wilks is my favorite. Obviously the Giants have to wait to see what happens with Belichick first even if there is a 1 in a million chance of it happening. Once that is resolved I would love to see Wilks hired unless another surprise firing happens like O’Brien or John Harbaugh.


Agree with this completely.
RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13774757 ryanmkeane said:
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McDaniels has HC experience, but it was a pretty brutal failure any way you look at it. Definitely can learn from it and I’m sure he has. But I wouldn’t count McDaniels as more qualified just because he had 1.5 years in Denver vs someone like Wilks who has risen up the coaching ranks, very well respected around the league, but just hasn’t gotten his true chance yet.

I like McDaniels a lot. Think he’d be a great hire. But I’d want him more for his offensive resume and his work for a championship organization like the Pats and not necessarily his HC experience.


It's not even necessarily the HC experience - even still, McDaniels has been an NFL OC for nearly 10 years now.

Wilks was nothing more than a positional coach until this year.

One NFL season as a DC - otherwise all he's been is a DB coach at this level.

Denver had the worst defense in football the year McDaniels got fired. I don't think his stint there was as much of his fault as it gets made out to be.
I think experience is very important  
Vanzetti : 1/6/2018 10:37 am : link
If you have ever run anything, you know that doing it is different and that you are going to make mistakes the first time around.

Parcels alwYs talked about how important his HC experience at Air Force was. I do not want anyone who had never been a HC st any level
Wilks has the obviouys advantage of having worked with  
wgenesis123 : 1/6/2018 10:38 am : link
Gettleman. I don't think he is a clear cut favorite though or Gettleman would have moved faster on him. I think interviewing first or last however is an advantage and the advantage of interviewing first was neutralized by scheduling Spags first who was a courtesy more than candidate.
arc  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2018 10:42 am : link
agree with most of your points, but McDaniels was terrible with the media and lost the locker room with the way he handled some of the players there. That counts for something. I imagine he has learned from it. But his personality can be a little off putting to some.
Just a guess on my part and it's a broad one  
Blue21 : 1/6/2018 10:43 am : link
Shurmur, McDaniels, and Wilks are the three top candidates IMO. Wilk obviously because of his close connection to DG. Shurmur the dark horse but could be the guy. He has everything they are looking for except the DC experience if that's important, and McDaniels which speaks for itself. McDaniels scares me because I really don't know what he is without Brady. He hasn't been that outstanding with other teams, but I do like his imagination with his play calling. I watch Patriot games and say to myself why can't we run plays like that. But honestly I believe he goes to the Colts.
Also wonder what effect the Little Bill rumors will have.  
wgenesis123 : 1/6/2018 10:44 am : link
Will they be slower to pull the trigger wondering what happens with Bill? Will that work to the advantage of the candidate interviewing last?
RE: I like him  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 13774758 Rflairr said:
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Especially if he can hire a strong experienced OC like Nora Turner. I would love to see what Norv could do with OBJ and Engram

You like Wilks?

Shocking.
RE: RE: I like him  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13774779 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Especially if he can hire a strong experienced OC like Nora Turner. I would love to see what Norv could do with OBJ and Engram


You like Wilks?

Shocking.


Crazy, right?
RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13774773 ryanmkeane said:
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agree with most of your points, but McDaniels was terrible with the media and lost the locker room with the way he handled some of the players there. That counts for something. I imagine he has learned from it. But his personality can be a little off putting to some.


Yeah, it absolutely does - I'm sure it's something that was addressed during his interview. Gettleman probably wanted to get a sense of how much he's learned from that experience.

McDaniels isn't my first choice, but I do think he'd be a great hire if we're drafting a QB.
My final guess....Shurmur. CEO type, has done great work with QB's,  
Blue21 : 1/6/2018 10:49 am : link
head coach experience and I believe some of the others like McDaniels pick other teams.
RE: RE: arc  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 13774783 arcarsenal said:
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McDaniels isn't my first choice, but I do think he'd be a great hire if we're drafting a QB.

Who do you want as of now?
I am not on board with Wilks at all...  
EricJ : 1/6/2018 10:52 am : link
because we dont know whether he would make a good head coach. We are not in the position to roll the dice at this point. Just like Mara was not giving someone a "shot" at being a GM.
Difference between Wilks & Tomlin  
twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 10:53 am : link
Tomlin won an extensive and real coaching search. It went for 3 weeks, had a dozen guys, call backs for the top 3 candidates, etc

Meaning he walked in knowing no one in Pitt snd impressed them with his knowledge, preparation etc. not once but twice. So much so they cancelled their 2nd round with Rivera

If this is the case, Wilks knows Gettleman and this is Gettlemans intuition based on what he saw in Carolina. This is begging the question on him.

I like the idea of Wilks as HC  
GiantJake : 1/6/2018 10:57 am : link
but who would be his offensive coordinator? That's a huge piece of the puzzle. That's why McDaniel would be an attractive option. He is a proven, successful OC. He would also be in on the ground floor with a young drafted QB (if the Giants decide to go that way). I think it would probably be easier for McDaniel to find a legit DC than for Wilks to find a legit OC.
Patricia has done it longer  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/6/2018 10:57 am : link
Under a very demanding guy. Despite the lack of success for some of BB's coaches, this is the guy I hope we hire.
RE: RE: RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 13774785 ryanmkeane said:
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McDaniels isn't my first choice, but I do think he'd be a great hire if we're drafting a QB.


Who do you want as of now?


If we're discounting the pipe dreams like Belichick or Saban...

I actually like Shurmur a lot and think he'd be a great hire. The record in Cleveland doesn't give me pause. It's just a completely rotten organization. He's worked wonders for Case Keenum, a guy who many had pegged as a career backup at best. He has extensive coordinator experience.

We'll see how the interview goes and if he impresses the brass enough, but he's probably my first "realistic" choice right now.

Both NE guys are right below him for me. I think I slightly prefer Patricia to McDaniels, but I would be on board with either one.

I want nothing to do with Scwartz or Studesville. Major pass on both guys.

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arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 11:01 am : link
*Schwartz
If the NE fallout\Bill B thing is even a remote possibility..  
est1986 : 1/6/2018 11:11 am : link
Wouldn't you wait and hope for an early NE loss?
RE: If the NE fallout\Bill B thing is even a remote possibility..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/6/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13774817 est1986 said:
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Wouldn't you wait and hope for an early NE loss?


Yes.
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Sean : 1/6/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13774806 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13774783 arcarsenal said:


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McDaniels isn't my first choice, but I do think he'd be a great hire if we're drafting a QB.


Who do you want as of now?



If we're discounting the pipe dreams like Belichick or Saban...

I actually like Shurmur a lot and think he'd be a great hire. The record in Cleveland doesn't give me pause. It's just a completely rotten organization. He's worked wonders for Case Keenum, a guy who many had pegged as a career backup at best. He has extensive coordinator experience.

We'll see how the interview goes and if he impresses the brass enough, but he's probably my first "realistic" choice right now.

Both NE guys are right below him for me. I think I slightly prefer Patricia to McDaniels, but I would be on board with either one.

I want nothing to do with Scwartz or Studesville. Major pass on both guys.


I agree with this. I think a young guy on his second HC chance is ideal. 99% of the time, a coach does not get a third chance to be a HC. Most coaches know this and it’s why it’s so crucial to go to the right place. Shurmur strikes me as someone who will be very solid.

The guy I’m most intrigued with is Patricia. He is very smart from all indications and has coached both sides of the ball.
Wilks  
Archer : 1/6/2018 11:13 am : link
I know very little about Wilks and I have been researching him on the net.
For those who like Wilks please tell why and what makes him a good Coach




I could be completely wrong  
UberAlias : 1/6/2018 11:14 am : link
But I get the idea Wilks is the backup plan if they miss out on more high profile guys.
As of now  
Jay on the Island : 1/6/2018 11:30 am : link
Shurmur is my favorite among the candidates that have interviewed.
Is Gettleman’s statement even true?  
Section331 : 1/6/2018 11:30 am : link
Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Paul Brown, Joe Gibbs, even Don Shula, who started as a defensive coach, but is far better known for his offensive innovation as HC in Baltimore and Miami (and was, somewhat ironically, done in by the lack of defense to support his great Dan Marino offenses).

I don’t know much about Wilkes, and I’m sure DG likes him, but I am dubious of hiring a guy with one year f coordinator experience. I think we may be taking the “commands the rooom” thing too literally.
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eli4life : 1/6/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13774752 arcarsenal said:
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I wouldn't be too thrilled if WIlks was the guy, honestly.

The track record isn't there. It would be a really hard sell for me after what we just went through with McAdoo.


I understand your reasoning but what I like most about Wilks is his style and leadership qualities that McAdoo did not possess.



Even still - I think it's too risky. I need to see more tangible, NFL-level results.

I'd be happier with either NE guy, honestly.


One thing to consider they guy picking him is a hell of a lot better than who picked the previous coach
Lack of extensive time as a coordinator  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 11:34 am : link
coupled with no HC experience makes it risky choice despite the Gettleman connection.
Wilks is my favorite as well  
GoDeep13 : 1/6/2018 11:37 am : link
Especially if we could get Joe Lombardi from the saints to come over as our OC. Guy has been a great QB Coach and could help groom a young QB while getting some Coordinator experience.
He was  
TommyWiseau : 1/6/2018 11:54 am : link
AHC to Rivera for a bit, helping with a lot of the day to day operations of the team
RE: Wilks is my favorite as well  
Section331 : 1/6/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13774847 GoDeep13 said:
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Especially if we could get Joe Lombardi from the saints to come over as our OC. Guy has been a great QB Coach and could help groom a young QB while getting some Coordinator experience.


Wow, he was QB coach for Drew Brees, he must have been great! He was OC for a Detroit offense that was a whopping 19th in yards and 22nd in points, and then fired 6 games into the following year.

If they’re going to hire a neophyte defensive coach as HC, I would hope they would get a very experienced OC, preferably one with HC experience, not someone living off his grandfathers name.
Said the same thing once DG was hired  
Peppers : 1/6/2018 12:00 pm : link
All his comments lead us to believe it will be a defensive guy and not only that but a leader. Wilks is that guy. He’s also very familiar with DG. HC and GM being on the same page is very important. Wilks just makes the most sense and I really feel there isn’t a better fit for this locker room.
That might be true  
Andy in Halifax : 1/6/2018 12:06 pm : link
But when I go through the checklist of what I want, it's basically looking for the next Bill Walsh, an offensive coach.

1. Extensive experience as a coordinator at NFL level
2. Head coaching experience at some level (college or NFL)
3. Flexible and creative enough to tailor system to best utilize players available
4. Innovative in system and play design
5. Advanced strategic and tactical thinker
6. Good feel for game and play calling to take advantage of in-game opportunities
7. Effective leadership skills
I’d be ok with Wilks  
WillVAB : 1/6/2018 12:16 pm : link
Still hoping that guy in Boston comes home though.
well  
giantfan2000 : 1/6/2018 12:29 pm : link
looks like you are not along in your prediction
Giants search: Panthers’ Wilks, Gettleman have strong connection - ( New Window )
Andy  
Samiam : 1/6/2018 12:34 pm : link
Leadership skills should be at or near the top of the list
How is that “all signs”?  
jeff57 : 1/6/2018 12:36 pm : link
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RE: I think a short term coordinator  
muhajir : 1/6/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13774719 Hades07 said:
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with no head coaching experience will be a tough sell after McAdoo

Agreed
I agree  
pjcas18 : 1/6/2018 12:42 pm : link
RE: I am not on board with Wilks at all...  
compton : 1/6/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13774789 EricJ said:
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because we dont know whether he would make a good head coach. We are not in the position to roll the dice at this point. Just like Mara was not giving someone a "shot" at being a GM.


We don't know if any of the canidates will make a good head coach. So why use that line of argument against Wilks?
RE: Lack of extensive time as a coordinator  
compton : 1/6/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13774841 GFAN52 said:
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coupled with no HC experience makes it risky choice despite the Gettleman connection.


By your criteria most of the HC candidates are unsuitable. Wilks does have HC experience if you count his year as a HC in the college ranks and is currently the assistant HC for Carolina. Besides, hiring any HC is a risk. If it wasn't there would be no HC openings.
Steve Wilks media  
Simms11 : 1/6/2018 2:30 pm : link
Pre-game conference. Gives you an idea of how he talks and his approach.
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RE: RE: Lack of extensive time as a coordinator  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13775044 compton said:
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coupled with no HC experience makes it risky choice despite the Gettleman connection.



By your criteria most of the HC candidates are unsuitable. Wilks does have HC experience if you count his year as a HC in the college ranks and is currently the assistant HC for Carolina. Besides, hiring any HC is a risk. If it wasn't there would be no HC openings.


Some not most have NFL HC experience.
Would be interesting mix..  
NYBlueinPA : 1/6/2018 4:01 pm : link
having an old school GM and young first time HC, especially since they have already worked together. As mentioned alot above they would need strong veteran supporting cast at OC and DC. Just don't see the organization going with another first timer here. Would be surprised if Mara and Tisch sign off on it. Think they go in a safer direction ala Shummer or McDaniels although I would prefer one of the defensive guys (just not Swartz!!).
RE: I like him  
Section331 : 1/6/2018 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13774758 Rflairr said:
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Especially if he can hire a strong experienced OC like Nora Turner. I would love to see what Norv could do with OBJ and Engram


I’d rather hire her husband Norv.
Wilks is growing on me..  
Sean : 1/7/2018 9:23 am : link
Just watched the link clip on him. He has 5 interview requests & teams are holding off making a hire until they talk to him. I know the experience isn’t there, but from all counts he is a leader of men. He could be very good for Odell. Warming up to this.
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Wilks is not growing on me...  
EricJ : 1/7/2018 10:28 am : link
simply because he sounded good in a press conference, etc

The guy is not a proven head coach and he was a first year coordinator. We just had to deal with another guy who just got a job as a coordinator then in the blink of an eye was promoted to head coach.

I am sure Wilks would do a better job than McAdoo but I am sorry but my bar is set a little higher than that.
RE: Wilks is not growing on me...  
Sean : 1/7/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13776032 EricJ said:
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simply because he sounded good in a press conference, etc

The guy is not a proven head coach and he was a first year coordinator. We just had to deal with another guy who just got a job as a coordinator then in the blink of an eye was promoted to head coach.

I am sure Wilks would do a better job than McAdoo but I am sorry but my bar is set a little higher than that.


Well aside from Belichick or Saban (both extremely unlikely), this is what is out there. This is why looking for a HC sucks & stability is the answer.

Back in 2013, the ONLY coach who was hired that still has a job is Andy Reid. It’s not easy. McDermott got the Bills to the playoffs his first year. Tomlin was a risky pick. It’s tough to predict.
Ugh, McDermott.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 10:40 am : link
I hate that he's going to get credit for getting the bills to the playoffs when he coached his team into a loss by yanking his starting QB in favor of a nobody who tossed 5 picks.
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